Post by: pianoman9701 on February 25, 2012, 10:36:28 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 25, 2012, 10:39:02 PM
I won a Remington .280 at the RMEF banquet. Can I shoot 7mm in it?
7mm what? The 280 used to be called the 7mm Express, but now it's the 280. The only ammo you can buy for it will be labeled 280 Remington. Definitely not 7mm Remington Magnum if that's what you're thinking of. It wouldn't even fit in the chamber.
Post by: jackelope on February 25, 2012, 11:14:34 PM
Different cases...
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 08:43:16 AM
I won a Remington .280 at the RMEF banquet. Can I shoot 7mm in it?
7mm what? The 280 used to be called the 7mm Express, but now it's the 280. The only ammo you can buy for it will be labeled 280 Remington. Definitely not 7mm Remington Magnum if that's what you're thinking of. It wouldn't even fit in the chamber.
Thanks BC, I didn't think so. One of the guys at the banquet said they're the same gun.
Post by: C-Money on February 26, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
Post by: 280ackley on February 26, 2012, 08:52:17 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2012, 08:53:32 AM
Post by: grousetracker on February 26, 2012, 09:06:04 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 09:07:26 AM
Pianoman- what is the rifle? Model 700?
Yep, SPS
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2012, 09:09:06 AM
Pianoman- what is the rifle? Model 700?
Yep, SPS
Nice!
Post by: coachcw on February 26, 2012, 09:34:39 AM
Post by: Bob33 on February 26, 2012, 09:40:41 AM
Read a bit here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Remington
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 09:42:58 AM
Post by: C-Money on February 26, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Post by: 400out on February 26, 2012, 10:27:38 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 10:43:19 AM
Post by: C-Money on February 26, 2012, 10:51:57 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Post by: addicted on February 26, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
Factory load wise it will kill anything in the 30.06 308 .270 range but a bit flatter trajectory than the 30 cals. If you reload you have a ton of bullet choices in .284.
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/918?
Factory loads
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/177?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 10:56:32 AM
Post by: addicted on February 26, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
I don't reload and just got a look at cartridge prices, ugh. I'm surprised that a cartridge with a smaller projectile than a .30-06 costs about 50% more.
might be 50% better... :stirthepot:
It's kind of an eccentrics cartridge, something you would commonly find in a rifle looney's collection. Not super well known, but definatly no longer in the wild cat section. You might say it is a .270 with heavier bullet choices, or a 30.06 with better ballistic coefficients.
Post by: addicted on February 26, 2012, 11:07:35 AM
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM936-1.html
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 11:09:16 AM
here are some loaded with 160 grain speer grand slams for $24 a box.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM936-1.html
That's cool. another $5 savings per box, unless shipping makes a difference. Thanks addicted.
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2012, 11:09:43 AM
270, 280, 30-06.... they're all the same really. What one will do, so will the other.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
Post by: addicted on February 27, 2012, 04:44:38 AM
I'm still deciding if I'll keep it, BC. If I do, I need a new scope and I'd want a good one. Can't afford that now. It sure doesn't suck to win a nice gun, though.
i'll give you $100 for it. :chuckle:
No one says you have to put a scope on it right away. take your time and save up for something nice.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 27, 2012, 07:06:32 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on February 27, 2012, 07:08:03 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 27, 2012, 07:13:43 AM
Post by: addicted on February 27, 2012, 12:10:34 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 27, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Post by: addicted on February 27, 2012, 12:18:14 PM
Addicted, my brother forbade me to sell it. I will lock it up for now and save up for a scope.
can't wait to see where this goes :salute:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 27, 2012, 12:19:35 PM
Post by: addicted on February 28, 2012, 01:13:13 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 28, 2012, 01:42:04 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 28, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
Post by: Caseyd on February 28, 2012, 12:59:56 PM
Fun gun to shoot though :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 28, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
Thanks Carp. By the way, it was great meeting you at the Expo Center in PDX. :tup:
Nice meeting you to :tup:
Post by: Encore 280 on February 29, 2012, 02:34:15 PM
You're 54, your brother is 58, I'm 63 so you have to listen to me, I'm older. :chuckle: I've had 280's since the early 70's so I know you won't like it so you have to sell to me for $175. Since you don't reload I'll even throw in a box of ammo. :chuckle: :chuckle: Is it a deal?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 29, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Couldn't get on yesterday so I'm gonna keep this going.
You're 54, your brother is 58, I'm 63 so you have to listen to me, I'm older. :chuckle: I've had 280's since the early 70's so I know you won't like it so you have to sell to me for $175. Since you don't reload I'll even throw in a box of ammo. :chuckle: :chuckle: Is it a deal?
LOL, encore. At that age, I'm surprised you still shoot! JK. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I'll take the ammo, but leave the deal. I'd guess from your username, you're all set in the .280 department.
Post by: RoyBoy on February 29, 2012, 02:47:47 PM
Post by: Jerryp on March 02, 2012, 06:21:34 PM
I wanted one so bad I decided to have one built.
Built it from a Winchester pre 64 model 70 featherweight 30.06
Was grandpas gun but I had 3 of them and a 25.06. I wasn't
Sure if it was the right thing to do or not. But grandpas gun was becoming
A safe queen and now its my new favorite toy haven't got to shoot it much
Yet but it looks and shoots far better now than it did. !!!!!!!!
Post by: bearpaw on March 02, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 03, 2012, 05:33:37 AM
Post by: addicted on March 03, 2012, 06:48:52 AM
http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/minox.pl?page=66000
Vortex viper 2-7x32 199$
http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/vortex.pl?page=vortexviper2-7x32
Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x42 279$ (normally 389$)
http://www.samplelist.com/Nikon-25-10x42-Monarch-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P3658.aspx
Redfield 2-7x33 $124
http://www.samplelist.com/Redfield-2-7x33-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-A-P2725.aspx
Post by: addicted on March 03, 2012, 06:50:37 AM
http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P4375.aspx
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 03, 2012, 06:56:35 AM
Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 $349
http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P4375.aspx
Thanks Addicted. I'll save that sight. It's way outside of my purchasing power right now. I've got that little guy I'm shooting with and the little bugger needs something every week! Braxton sure is shooting well, though, and really digging archery.
Post by: Encore 280 on March 03, 2012, 07:17:29 AM
Post by: Jerryp on March 03, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
I have a nikon prostaf 3-9 on my 25.06 and I love it
Going to buy another one for my .280 good scope for the
Money. I have a bushnel banner 3-9 on it now not near as clear
As the nikon but it has been better than nothing.
Post by: iusmc2002 on March 03, 2012, 04:27:41 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2012, 05:29:58 PM
The only thing I don't like about the 280 is the shoulder is a little different than the 30-06/270/25-06 so you have to fireform the shells. If you have a bolt gun I was told it can work, but it won't work in my Rem. 742, so I will just have to buy the brass. Good thing my grandpa kept plenty of ammo around :chuckle: so it will be a while before I NEED to get more brass.
I have never heard of that. I think with the semi-auto what you need to use when you reload is what they call a "small base" die. That may be hard to find for the 280 though. But I don't believe the 280 is any different than a 270 or 30-06 when it comes to reloading. If your 742 was in 270 or 30-06, you'd likely still need the small base die.
Post by: iusmc2002 on March 03, 2012, 06:31:44 PM
The only thing I don't like about the 280 is the shoulder is a little different than the 30-06/270/25-06 so you have to fireform the shells. If you have a bolt gun I was told it can work, but it won't work in my Rem. 742, so I will just have to buy the brass. Good thing my grandpa kept plenty of ammo around :chuckle: so it will be a while before I NEED to get more brass.
I have never heard of that. I think with the semi-auto what you need to use when you reload is what they call a "small base" die. That may be hard to find for the 280 though. But I don't believe the 280 is any different than a 270 or 30-06 when it comes to reloading. If your 742 was in 270 or 30-06, you'd likely still need the small base die.
Negative. The shoulder of the 280 sits farther forward/higher on the case than the 270/30-06. Hold the rounds side by side and you'll see. The deeper chamber kept the 270 shell I'd necked to 280 from being fully engaged by the bolt and prevented the firing pin from hitting the primer. Both my 740 30-06 and 742 280 Rem shoot just fine using the Lee Deluxe dies, no need for the "small base" dies (unless those dies are considered small base?)
Either way, sorry to jack your thread OP
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2012, 07:58:19 PM
The only thing I don't like about the 280 is the shoulder is a little different than the 30-06/270/25-06 so you have to fireform the shells. If you have a bolt gun I was told it can work, but it won't work in my Rem. 742, so I will just have to buy the brass. Good thing my grandpa kept plenty of ammo around :chuckle: so it will be a while before I NEED to get more brass.
I have never heard of that. I think with the semi-auto what you need to use when you reload is what they call a "small base" die. That may be hard to find for the 280 though. But I don't believe the 280 is any different than a 270 or 30-06 when it comes to reloading. If your 742 was in 270 or 30-06, you'd likely still need the small base die.
Negative. The shoulder of the 280 sits farther forward/higher on the case than the 270/30-06. Hold the rounds side by side and you'll see. The deeper chamber kept the 270 shell I'd necked to 280 from being fully engaged by the bolt and prevented the firing pin from hitting the primer. Both my 740 30-06 and 742 280 Rem shoot just fine using the Lee Deluxe dies, no need for the "small base" dies (unless those dies are considered small base?)
Either way, sorry to jack your thread OP
OK, I think I understand what you mean now. I didn't realize you were talking about making 280 brass out of 270 or 30-06 brass.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 04, 2012, 07:20:38 AM
The only thing I don't like about the 280 is the shoulder is a little different than the 30-06/270/25-06 so you have to fireform the shells. If you have a bolt gun I was told it can work, but it won't work in my Rem. 742, so I will just have to buy the brass. Good thing my grandpa kept plenty of ammo around :chuckle: so it will be a while before I NEED to get more brass.
I have never heard of that. I think with the semi-auto what you need to use when you reload is what they call a "small base" die. That may be hard to find for the 280 though. But I don't believe the 280 is any different than a 270 or 30-06 when it comes to reloading. If your 742 was in 270 or 30-06, you'd likely still need the small base die.
Negative. The shoulder of the 280 sits farther forward/higher on the case than the 270/30-06. Hold the rounds side by side and you'll see. The deeper chamber kept the 270 shell I'd necked to 280 from being fully engaged by the bolt and prevented the firing pin from hitting the primer. Both my 740 30-06 and 742 280 Rem shoot just fine using the Lee Deluxe dies, no need for the "small base" dies (unless those dies are considered small base?)
Either way, sorry to jack your thread OP
When it comes to ammunition and firearms, jarheads are sooooooo darn nit-picky, aren't they?. Everything's gotta fit just right! :chuckle: :chuckle: Kidding aside, interesting stuff, iusmc2002. Thanks for adding to the thread. You too BC.
Post by: Bofire on March 04, 2012, 10:04:13 AM
Carl
Post by: addicted on March 04, 2012, 10:28:23 AM
base to start of neck taper; 270=1.949; 280= 1.999; 30/06=1.948. this is case measurement spec. not chamber spec. You must have a tight chamber. Many times the chamber in a given gun from any manufacture will vary more than that from rifle to rifle in the same model.
Carl
are my calculations correct that the base to neck taper of the 7x64 is 2.16"?
Post by: Bofire on March 04, 2012, 10:33:58 AM
Carl
this is for 7X64 Brenneke
Post by: addicted on March 04, 2012, 11:42:30 AM
base to start of taper is 1.998 base to end of taper at base of neck is 2.198
Carl
this is for 7X64 Brenneke
Cool.
once again proving to be very VERY close to the 280. I need to start collecting reloading books.
Post by: iusmc2002 on March 04, 2012, 11:59:30 AM
The only thing I don't like about the 280 is the shoulder is a little different than the 30-06/270/25-06 so you have to fireform the shells. If you have a bolt gun I was told it can work, but it won't work in my Rem. 742, so I will just have to buy the brass. Good thing my grandpa kept plenty of ammo around :chuckle: so it will be a while before I NEED to get more brass.
I have never heard of that. I think with the semi-auto what you need to use when you reload is what they call a "small base" die. That may be hard to find for the 280 though. But I don't believe the 280 is any different than a 270 or 30-06 when it comes to reloading. If your 742 was in 270 or 30-06, you'd likely still need the small base die.
Negative. The shoulder of the 280 sits farther forward/higher on the case than the 270/30-06. Hold the rounds side by side and you'll see. The deeper chamber kept the 270 shell I'd necked to 280 from being fully engaged by the bolt and prevented the firing pin from hitting the primer. Both my 740 30-06 and 742 280 Rem shoot just fine using the Lee Deluxe dies, no need for the "small base" dies (unless those dies are considered small base?)
Either way, sorry to jack your thread OP
When it comes to ammunition and firearms, jarheads are sooooooo darn nit-picky, aren't they?. Everything's gotta fit just right! :chuckle: :chuckle: Kidding aside, interesting stuff, iusmc2002. Thanks for adding to the thread. You too BC.
Ya know, thats funny because I had a mustang Lt tell me pretty much the same thing when he was trying to attach a SAW drum to an M240 during a MG leaders course that he was in charge of and I was instructing! He didn't put it that nicely though :chuckle:
Unfortunately, the 280 is a worthless round and I doubt you could GIVE that rifle away. But if you wanted to try, I think I know a guy that would probably take it from you. He collects old and useless guns ;) :hello:
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 04, 2012, 12:18:59 PM