Post by: sakoshooter on February 28, 2012, 10:25:03 PM
Kind of an irony of sorts. :dunno:
As most of you know, I'm in favor of a multi-season permit, just not at the price the WDFW charges for it.
Post by: saylean on February 28, 2012, 10:27:56 PM
lucky for me, I tagged out both in general season. I wont be putting in for multi anymore....too dang expensive for what it is IMHO.
Post by: washelkhunter on February 29, 2012, 12:22:36 AM
Post by: KopperBuck on February 29, 2012, 09:05:39 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 11:18:05 AM
Or maybe a better question is....where should they get the money to pay them?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 29, 2012, 11:49:19 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on February 29, 2012, 12:55:54 PM
With the introduction of wolves(probably with our license money), we now have less deer/elk to hunt plus the license generated revenue is now going to pay for wolf whatever, meaning less money left for deer/elk management - ironic if you ask me.
With all the budget shortfalls etc in the game dept, spending more money on wolves and less on everything else is nothing short of rediculous.
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 01:37:45 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 29, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
Post by: jackmaster on February 29, 2012, 02:10:18 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 29, 2012, 02:29:43 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 29, 2012, 02:34:58 PM
I like to say reintroduction as inevitably Bobcat jumps on it saying they were never introduced in the first place.
Wolves were not re-introduced to Washington state. :chuckle:
And that's the truth.
Post by: bobcat on February 29, 2012, 02:35:55 PM
They must have introduced them here... Lord knows the damn wolves aren't able to just walk across the border from Idaho... what with that big giant fence/ditch/moat at the state line.
Right. And they also cannot make it across the Canadian border. Too much wilderness in their way. :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on February 29, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Post by: Curly on February 29, 2012, 02:46:08 PM
Should they not hire anybody?
Or maybe a better question is....where should they get the money to pay them?
Well, they should just have an open season on wolves along with a trapping season, and not have Bios and techs dedicated to wolves. But since that isn't going to happen because of the damn WDFW commission approving the wolf plan, they should try getting donations from Defenders of Wildlife for the money needed for wolf management. I sure don't want any of the money I spend on licenses to go toward a predator I don't even want in the state. If they can't get money from donations, then they need to figure out a way to get money from a general fund or something............anywhere but from license sales. :twocents:
(Oh, BTW - wolves were not placed in WA State by WDFW)
Post by: bobcat on February 29, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
Should they not hire anybody?
Or maybe a better question is....where should they get the money to pay them?
Well, they should just have an open season on wolves along with a trapping season, and not have Bios and techs dedicated to wolves. But since that isn't going to happen because of the damn WDFW commission approving the wolf plan, they should try getting donations from Defenders of Wildlife for the money needed for wolf management. I sure don't want any of the money I spend on licenses to go toward a predator I don't even want in the state. If they can't get money from donations, then they need to figure out a way to get money from a general fund or something............anywhere but from license sales. :twocents:
(Oh, BTW - wolves were not placed in WA State by WDFW)
If the wolf plan was not approved, they would still need to spend money to monitor wolves, unless you'd rather they stay on the endangered species list forever.
Post by: Curly on February 29, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 29, 2012, 02:58:47 PM
Post by: Special T on February 29, 2012, 03:00:36 PM
Post by: Curly on February 29, 2012, 03:01:39 PM
I agree that the plan calls for an excessive number of wolves before de-listing can occur, but I still have to wonder if it really matters. The wolves are coming here on their own, they're going to increase in numbers with or without a written plan, and when they do finally become relatively abundant, there will be nothing we can do to control their numbers. (unless they're going to allow the use of poison, traps, and aerial gunning)
:yeah:
That is why they shouldn't even have a plan. They should just have a season on them right now.
Besides, what good do you think 2 trappers and 3 techs are going to do? They won't be able to do :crap: , they might as well save their money and don't do anything...........but I could be wrong. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on February 29, 2012, 03:03:53 PM
I agree that the plan calls for an excessive number of wolves before de-listing can occur, but I still have to wonder if it really matters. The wolves are coming here on their own, they're going to increase in numbers with or without a written plan, and when they do finally become relatively abundant, there will be nothing we can do to control their numbers. (unless they're going to allow the use of poison, traps, and aerial gunning)
:yeah:
That is why they shouldn't even have a plan. They should just have a season on them right now.
Besides, what good do you think 2 trappers and 3 techs are going to do? They won't be able to do :crap: , they might as well save their money and don't do anything...........but I could be wrong. :twocents:
I agree, anything they do related to the wolf is a waste of money. The best thing they could do is sell wolf tags, and make money for the state.
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
(Oh, BTW - wolves were not placed in WA State by WDFW)
You and Bobcat are like brothers.
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 04:09:55 PM
Post by: Special T on February 29, 2012, 09:24:17 PM
Post by: 3nails on February 29, 2012, 09:52:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 29, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Just a quick question for Bobcat- Let's say you bought and moved into an old homestead with a barn. Your neighbor informs you that the homestead once had rats but the previous owner poisened them off. The neighbor on the other side of you liked the idea of rats living in your barn and planted some in there without consulting you. Over time the barn became so infested with rats they start moving into your house. Now the question is, did these rats move into your house on thier own?
I guess you're referencing the fact that the feds transplanted wolves into Idaho. I get that, but the fact is we already had wolves in this state to begin with, and surely it's not a stretch of the imagination to think that they could come into Washington on their own from Canada.
This particular topic is about where the WDFW spends money, and the fact is, they have not spent any money on transplanting wolves into this state.
Post by: 3nails on February 29, 2012, 10:00:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 29, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
I just really wanted to refer to them as rats...........the wolves, that is. :chuckle:
Gee, I actually think I'd take the rats over the wolves. :yike:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 01, 2012, 06:14:45 AM
I agree that the plan calls for an excessive number of wolves before de-listing can occur, but I still have to wonder if it really matters. The wolves are coming here on their own, they're going to increase in numbers with or without a written plan, and when they do finally become relatively abundant, there will be nothing we can do to control their numbers. (unless they're going to allow the use of poison, traps, and aerial gunning)Big difference is in the number. Wolves have been working their way down the Cascade range for eons and the numbers have been controlled. But to enhance that by the numbers they are stating has a exponential affect on big game hunting in WA. Relatively abundant will is not the word I would use it would be more like impacting existence.
Post by: GoldTip on March 01, 2012, 06:26:44 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 01, 2012, 06:32:19 AM
I agree that the plan calls for an excessive number of wolves before de-listing can occur, but I still have to wonder if it really matters. The wolves are coming here on their own, they're going to increase in numbers with or without a written plan, and when they do finally become relatively abundant, there will be nothing we can do to control their numbers. (unless they're going to allow the use of poison, traps, and aerial gunning)Big difference is in the number. Wolves have been working their way down the Cascade range for eons and the numbers have been controlled. But to enhance that by the numbers they are stating has a exponential affect on big game hunting in WA. Relatively abundant will is not the word I would use it would be more like impacting existence.
How are they "enhancing that"?
Post by: sakoshooter on March 01, 2012, 10:50:33 AM
Just a quick question for Bobcat- Let's say you bought and moved into an old homestead with a barn. Your neighbor informs you that the homestead once had rats but the previous owner poisened them off. The neighbor on the other side of you liked the idea of rats living in your barn and planted some in there without consulting you. Over time the barn became so infested with rats they start moving into your house. Now the question is, did these rats move into your house on thier own?
Someone actually gets my point! Huh
Post by: sakoshooter on March 01, 2012, 10:51:53 AM
Well, I will answer the question of the OP: where is my multi season money going? It's going with me to Montana and Idaho, thats where it's going.
Gold Tip, you're a smart man
Post by: sakoshooter on March 01, 2012, 11:20:10 AM
They must have introduced them here... Lord knows the damn wolves aren't able to just walk across the border from Idaho... what with that big giant fence/ditch/moat at the state line.
Since the WDFW has trapped, tagged/collared wolves in various areas of WA and has been monitoring them for years now, I assumed that they had a hand in placing them here.
Everyone knows a wolf can walk jackelope.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 01, 2012, 11:54:12 AM
I agree that the plan calls for an excessive number of wolves before de-listing can occur, but I still have to wonder if it really matters. The wolves are coming here on their own, they're going to increase in numbers with or without a written plan, and when they do finally become relatively abundant, there will be nothing we can do to control their numbers. (unless they're going to allow the use of poison, traps, and aerial gunning)Big difference is in the number. Wolves have been working their way down the Cascade range for eons and the numbers have been controlled. But to enhance that by the numbers they are stating has a exponential affect on big game hunting in WA. Relatively abundant will is not the word I would use it would be more like impacting existence.
How are they "enhancing that"?
Its not a matter of are it is more will be as in introducing the numbers they are proposing.
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2012, 12:56:09 PM
They must have introduced them here... Lord knows the damn wolves aren't able to just walk across the border from Idaho... what with that big giant fence/ditch/moat at the state line.
Since the WDFW has trapped, tagged/collared wolves in various areas of WA and has been monitoring them for years now, I assumed that they had a hand in placing them here.
Everyone knows a wolf can walk jackelope.
You might be surprised given some threads on this topic in the past few years.