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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 08:59:23 AM

Title: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 08:59:23 AM: So, if I get this right, I can buy a complete lower and then an upper in 5.56 and .308 and they'd be interchangeable or would I need to do something to the lower to swap in and out?
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: CementFinisher on March 16, 2012, 09:12:17 AM: especialy in 308 ars each manufacturer have deiiferences. thread pitch, take down pin sizes, buffer tubes and spring. Check out ar15.com all you could need to know is there. have fun :tup:
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 09:12:29 AM: I'm looking at this lower:
http://colemantyler.com/proddetail.php?prod=PCLRC6

With that lower, looks like I can find a DPMS complete upper for $350-$400. That'd be about $500-$600 for a finished AR-15. Anyone sell a complete package off the shelf cheaper than that?
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 09:14:21 AM: Quote from: CementFinisher on March 16, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
especialy in 308 ars each manufacturer have deiiferences. thread pitch, take down pin sizes, buffer tubes and spring. Check out ar15.com all you could need to know is there. have fun :tup:

I will when I get a chance. I'm trying REALLY hard to make the decision to buy an AR-15 over an AK-74 or 47. REALLY trying.
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: CementFinisher on March 16, 2012, 09:30:38 AM: That reciever will not work. first its 223 caliber, secong its al polymer. you dont want that
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: JohnVH on March 16, 2012, 09:42:35 AM: Im pretty sure you can NOT use an AR15 lower with a .308, thats an AR10 size..

someone correct me if Im wrong.

Good price on that lower setup though!
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: Caseyd on March 16, 2012, 09:44:10 AM: Quote from: JohnVH on March 16, 2012, 09:42:35 AM
Im pretty sure you can NOT use an AR15 lower with a .308, thats an AR10 size..

someone correct me if Im wrong.

Good price on that lower setup though!

:yeah:

Different lowers
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 09:45:45 AM: K. That settles it. Going with an AK

http://www.slickguns.com/product/ak-74-bulgarian-standard-rifle-waffen-werks-619

Or there are Polish Tantal's for half the price. Not as high quality though
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: JohnVH on March 16, 2012, 09:46:39 AM: what are you trying to do? THere are a ton of options for the AR15 size frame.
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: CementFinisher on March 16, 2012, 09:47:05 AM: Dont do that, Go with the ar10 platform, you wont regret it
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 09:51:07 AM: Quote from: JohnVH on March 16, 2012, 09:46:39 AM
what are you trying to do? THere are a ton of options for the AR15 size frame.

Nothing specific. Just don't have a semi-auto rifle in the safe yet and I want one for fun shooting. Price is the MAJOR factor followed by simplicity then reliability.

The AK's have the advantage in price and appear much simpler. Can't imagine their reliability is much worse, if it's worse at all.
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: JohnVH on March 16, 2012, 09:53:02 AM: then get an AR15, alot of cheap options to put on top of it, plus you can shoot deer with the larger options if you hunt. I built one with a 6.5 Grendel upper and its awesome!

But for plinking, you can do the .22, or a .223
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 09:58:20 AM: And what's the difference between A2 and A3?
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: 724wd on March 16, 2012, 10:00:54 AM: with the adaptability of the AR platform, i don't know why you'd even bother looking at an AK. ARs are tinker toys for grown up boys (and girls)!!! shoot .22LR for practice, swap out the upper for a .223 for varmints, a 6.5 grendel for deer, a .300 Whisper for suppressed sniping, .50 beowolf for big bear... man, AR's can do it all!
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 10:01:47 AM: Quote from: 724wd on March 16, 2012, 10:00:54 AM
with the adaptability of the AR platform, i don't know why you'd even bother looking at an AK. ARs are tinker toys for grown up boys (and girls)!!! shoot .22LR for practice, swap out the upper for a .223 for varmints, a 6.5 grendel for deer, a .300 Whisper for suppressed sniping, .50 beowolf for big bear... man, AR's can do it all!

You can do that all with a single lower, correct?
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: JohnVH on March 16, 2012, 10:03:58 AM: Yes, those fit the AR15, its limitation is mag length, but there are tons of options, plus its lighter than an AR10, and alot cheaper
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: dontgetcrabs on March 16, 2012, 10:35:05 AM: Quote from: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 09:58:20 AM
And what's the difference between A2 and A3?

A2 has a rear sight and carry handle that is always attached. The A3 is a flat top picatinny rail, much better for mounting optics. I would suggest you go with the ar over the ak. I got a plum crazy composite lower just to abuse and I gotta say it has exceeded all expectations. I wouldn't probably by another one, but I would recommend one for a budget build. I have put a couple thousand rounds through mine and haven't had any functioning issues. The mag well is tighter than my metal ones, you really have to make sure the mag is seated all the way. :twocents:
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 16, 2012, 10:44:55 AM: I have an ar and have been contemplating selling my current 20 inch stainelss heavy barreled upper and replacing it with a shorter lighter more tactical type barreled upper. I origiknally built it for coyote hunting but now want to play more. Ars are sweet. You are right on the price of AK being lower and in my experience they are almost indestructible. If you can get a round to chamber they will most likely shoot. They can take some serious abuse.
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: dscubame on March 16, 2012, 10:58:42 AM: Make sure you are going to be ok with a plastic gun with that poly lower. I am not sold on the plastic lower at all personally.
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: demontang on March 16, 2012, 11:55:47 AM: Dont know if its released to the public yet but colt has the cm901 that would be nice. Its modular from 5.56x45-7.62x51 :dunno:
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: FC on March 16, 2012, 12:52:15 PM: For a fun beater gun an AK is awfully hard to beat. You can definitely get an AK cheaper than the one you linked though, mine is one of my favorite guns to shoot, it's reasonably accurate, unstoppably reliable and it just never fails to make me smile when the handguard starts smoking! :chuckle: :chuckle:

The best part is that I don't feel bad about beating on it like that!
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: rebal69972 on March 16, 2012, 12:53:11 PM: my wife bought a dpms panther in lakewood for $600 about a month ago
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 01:25:22 PM: Quote from: FC on March 16, 2012, 12:52:15 PM
For a fun beater gun an AK is awfully hard to beat. You can definitely get an AK cheaper than the one you linked though, mine is one of my favorite guns to shoot, it's reasonably accurate, unstoppably reliable and it just never fails to make me smile when the handguard starts smoking! :chuckle: :chuckle:

The best part is that I don't feel bad about beating on it like that!

AK-74? I know the AK-47's are cheaper. And I know there are Polish Tantal models for sale for about $350 but, I've heard some really bad things about those
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: wraithen on March 16, 2012, 01:43:32 PM: Double J there is a company that makes an upper in .308 for your AR lower. The upper looks retarded though as it has it's own magazine well mounted on the side of the upper. I've not heard of those plum crazy lowers giving any issues and the guy that makes them seems to stand behind them pretty well. There are those that are still not sold on plastic handguns either. :twocents:
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: 724wd on March 16, 2012, 02:15:46 PM: i wouldn't have any issues in running a poly lower. all the bang is contained in the upper, the lower being a place for the trigger and magazine. :tup: if i were in the military? sure, no poly lower then, but for the average user, poly is plenty!
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: 724wd on March 16, 2012, 02:20:01 PM: there was a company a couple of years ago making modular AR lowers that allowed a person to swap between .223 and .308 and on up to .50 BMG! i'll try to dig out the magazine this weekend. my google-fu seems to be lacking today! must be all the rain.... i don't know how you wet-siders do it! :o

edit:
It was a COBB MCR that had the interchangable mag modules for .223 to 30-06...

another edit:
Colt is now in on the game, too! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_29/199659_.html
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: FC on March 16, 2012, 02:20:59 PM: Quote from: DoubleJ on March 16, 2012, 01:25:22 PM
AK-74? I know the AK-47's are cheaper. And I know there are Polish Tantal models for sale for about $350 but, I've heard some really bad things about those

I missed the fact that you wanted a 74, the prices have certainly gone up on them too! I would probably opt for a Vepr if I was going to spend that much on an ak and them modify ti to take standard magazines.
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 18, 2012, 03:50:50 PM: OK, if I buy this:

http://olyarms.net/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.pbv.v8.tpl&product_id=515&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=5

What deer legal round upper would I also need to buy to hunt with it?
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: JLS on March 18, 2012, 03:57:20 PM: What about the 6.8?
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: JohnVH on March 18, 2012, 04:03:36 PM: anything bigger than .223.. 6.5 Grendel is an awesome choice. Smoked a coyote with mine today at about 225yds

www.65grendel.com
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: dontgetcrabs on March 18, 2012, 04:04:18 PM: http://model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=650
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: JohnVH on March 19, 2012, 10:01:43 AM: http://jtdistributing.net/store/product300.html#300
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: spookgus on March 19, 2012, 10:17:17 AM: http://bisonarmory.com/18-recon-6-8-upper-with-basic-forearm
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: marlin on March 24, 2012, 01:56:37 AM: Ive got 2 AR'S in 5.56, and lots of accessories for them including the .22lr conversion which I shoot more than .223/5.56, but I just got an AK... A MAK 90, and Im loving it! I think it may become my go-to rifle. Today I went shooting and My AR got a shell stuck in the chamber, I had to disassemble the rifle and ram the shell out with a rod. The AK hasnt had a failure of any sort yet. Its also a lot easier to bumpfire!!! I almost want to sell something so I can buy more ammo!
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: marlin on March 24, 2012, 02:08:12 AM: Crappy phone pic.. but here is the "EBR's" in my collection. The AK might be my new favorite.. its got an ATI side folding/collapsible stock. I think it looks even meaner with the 30rd mag in it.
Title: Re: AR-15 question, again
Post by: DoubleJ on March 24, 2012, 09:56:08 AM: If you bump fire, have you seen this?

http://www.slidefire.com/

Kinda pricy but cool