Post by: JPhelps on March 20, 2012, 07:56:44 AM
We took a calculated risk and didn't buy a preference point based on the last few years and I am curious if it will bite us. We put in for the big game combo .
Does anyone have a clue? I thought Dale or someone else might have an inside source.
Post by: archery288 on March 20, 2012, 08:17:56 AM
Post by: SuperDave on March 20, 2012, 08:39:23 AM
Post by: JPhelps on March 20, 2012, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on March 20, 2012, 10:33:48 AM
Hunting over there last year talked to some fish and game individuals and they said it is just going to get worse with not being able to get rid of all the tags.
Good luck hunting over there this year.
Joe
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 20, 2012, 10:43:56 AM
My gut says, because of the snow pack, the economy, the price, etc, that they will not meet the combo quantity set aside.
I chose not to apply and we shall see if I made an oops here. Going to wait and see what happens in other draws and if I come up blank I may go after a leftover MT combo tag.
Post by: bearpaw on March 20, 2012, 10:48:16 AM
I'm curious if anyone has an idea if Montana was under subscribed again?
We took a calculated risk and didn't buy a preference point based on the last few years and I am curious if it will bite us. We put in for the big game combo .
Does anyone have a clue? I thought Dale or someone else might have an inside source.
There is no news coming from the MFWP or MOGA yet on availability, but I do expect there to be left over tags. Last year half my MT hunters bought left over tags.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 20, 2012, 10:48:33 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 20, 2012, 11:00:40 AM
If people who applied, or at least those who chose not to apply are paying attention, generally speaking Montana's snow pack is running in excess of 100% of average again this year like last year. It's another late winter shaping up for the 2nd year in a row.
I don't know what part of the state you hunt but in the SE it wasn't the snow that was the problem. Last year it warmed enough to melt the snow but not dry out, then additional cold fronts froze the ground and created a lot of ice that kept the critters from feeding.
The late spring did have a positive effect on the food, the deer and elk in the SE had loads of it.
I spoke with my friends over there this weekend and the temps are warmer than here. Lows have been in the mid 40's and highs this week will be in the 70's, 75 expected for the weekend.
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 20, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 20, 2012, 11:20:50 AM
If people who applied, or at least those who chose not to apply are paying attention, generally speaking Montana's snow pack is running in excess of 100% of average again this year like last year. It's another late winter shaping up for the 2nd year in a row.
I don't know what part of the state you hunt but in the SE it wasn't the snow that was the problem. Last year it warmed enough to melt the snow but not dry out, then additional cold fronts froze the ground and created a lot of ice that kept the critters from feeding.
The late spring did have a positive effect on the food, the deer and elk in the SE had loads of it.
I spoke with my friends over there this weekend and the temps are warmer than here. Lows have been in the mid 40's and highs this week will be in the 70's, 75 expected for the weekend.
Thank you phool and I guess I could have spelled out "generally speaking" a little better to reflect District 2 and 3 which are the areas I primarily focus on.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 20, 2012, 11:21:57 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 20, 2012, 11:45:55 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 20, 2012, 12:20:11 PM
Did any of you guys put in for a special permit. They have preference points and bonus points and they can get confusing. One is for the general non res draw and the other is for special draw. :yike:
I have been applying for a bull permit in the SE but have yet to draw one of the tags, I also pay for a preference point. If you apply for a special permit for elk and don't draw, they will buy back the elk portion of your combo tag, roughly $358
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Thank you phool and I guess I could have spelled out "generally speaking" a little better to reflect District 2 and 3 which are the areas I primarily focus on.
No worries, thats why I said I didn't know what area you were hunting. ;)
Post by: vandeman17 on March 20, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
Did any of you guys put in for a special permit. They have preference points and bonus points and they can get confusing. One is for the general non res draw and the other is for special draw. :yike:
I have been applying for a bull permit in the SE but have yet to draw one of the tags, I also pay for a preference point. If you apply for a special permit for elk and don't draw, they will buy back the elk portion of your combo tag, roughly $358QuoteThank you phool and I guess I could have spelled out "generally speaking" a little better to reflect District 2 and 3 which are the areas I primarily focus on.
No worries, thats why I said I didn't know what area you were hunting. ;)
We applied for the elk only combo tag because we didn't plan on hunting it at all UNLESS we got drawn because it is a great tag we applied for. :tup:
Post by: shanevg on March 20, 2012, 04:34:36 PM
Post by: spookgus on April 02, 2012, 08:49:01 AM
I did put in for the special permit with the time frame of the general draw and special permit draw being the same time it does make a difference as opposed to years past. I like it betterI don't like it because I have to draw a tag before I can be my son's sponsor and get him a youth combo at the reduced youth price. This means it's too late for him to put in for the limited entry antlered mule deer permits. If I draw the special permit for antlered mule deer we can't hunt the same unit since you have to hunt in only the unit where you drew the special permit.
I do like that the youth combos are unlimited now.
Post by: deerslyr on April 02, 2012, 09:39:49 AM
If people who applied, or at least those who chose not to apply are paying attention, generally speaking Montana's snow pack is running in excess of 100% of average again this year like last year. It's another late winter shaping up for the 2nd year in a row.
I don't know what part of the state you hunt but in the SE it wasn't the snow that was the problem. Last year it warmed enough to melt the snow but not dry out, then additional cold fronts froze the ground and created a lot of ice that kept the critters from feeding.
The late spring did have a positive effect on the food, the deer and elk in the SE had loads of it.
I spoke with my friends over there this weekend and the temps are warmer than here. Lows have been in the mid 40's and highs this week will be in the 70's, 75 expected for the weekend.
Its been in the 60s most of march with a few days every week hitting 70 and this past saturday it hit 80 here in billings...been hardly any snow over here, gunna be a really dry summer.
Post by: JLS on April 02, 2012, 08:37:01 PM
Post by: JPhelps on April 02, 2012, 08:44:07 PM
Post by: deerslyr on April 02, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
I know that Glacier national park and the Bob Marshall have over 100% snow pack in the mountains.
I should say im only speaking for the central to eastern part of the state. I back packed to 5-5500 feet in the foot hills of the bear tooths 3 weekends ago and there was only traces of snow (check out the backcountry camp thread) Red lodge doesnt have enough snow worth skiiing or snowboarding at the moment and I dont suspect it to change any time soon. Hopefully it does.
Post by: JPhelps on April 13, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
Looks like I'm going to Montana. :tup: I was a little nervous because we didn't buy the $50 perf point.
Post by: HUNT on April 13, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
Post by: archery288 on April 13, 2012, 01:13:27 PM
Talked to a Montana fish and game employee earlier today and they were undersubscribed again by about 800 tags in the big game combo.
Looks like I'm going to Montana. :tup: I was a little nervous because we didn't buy the $50 perf point.
Sweet - glad to hear that Jason!!
Post by: JPhelps on April 13, 2012, 01:24:42 PM
If you were asking for next year you have to submit your app with the $9XX dollars by march 15th.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 13, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 13, 2012, 01:49:26 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 13, 2012, 02:18:41 PM
Post by: HUNT on April 13, 2012, 02:44:13 PM
Hunt - The last 800 will be sold first come first serve.
If you were asking for next year you have to submit your app with the $9XX dollars by march 15th.
Do you need to get on the alternates list somehow? Or just call them on the day they go on sale?
Post by: steeleywhopper on April 13, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
How do we go about getting one of those big game combo licenses? I'm not very familiar with Montana.
Cut off a arm and a leg and sell them both. After you do that, collect cans and scrap metal. You should have enough for a combo tag after that. :chuckle:
Post by: MtnMuley on April 13, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
Hunt - The last 800 will be sold first come first serve.
If you were asking for next year you have to submit your app with the $9XX dollars by march 15th.
Do you need to get on the alternates list somehow? Or just call them on the day they go on sale?
I don't believe they will have an alternate list for the combo since it was undersold. Personally, I'd call them and find out when you can purchase one. I would HIGHLY doubt they would sell 800 in a day. :twocents:
Post by: deerslyr on April 13, 2012, 03:06:14 PM
Any ideas when the results will be out for the general draw and for the special draw?
The week of april 16th is what Ive heard.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 13, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on April 13, 2012, 04:02:42 PM
last year I think 1200 sold out within 2 days.
I wasn't aware of that. I know of several people that purchased combos late into the season shortly before heading over hunting. They must have had a few more turned back in.
Post by: huntnphool on April 13, 2012, 11:46:28 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on April 14, 2012, 01:26:37 AM
They did not sell out last year.
1200 sold out in 2 or 3 days last year after they went on sale. They did have a lot of returns after that and they still had some left at the end of season.
Post by: huntnphool on April 16, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Post by: JPhelps on April 16, 2012, 04:27:35 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 16, 2012, 07:48:56 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on April 16, 2012, 07:53:47 PM
someone I know got their tags in the mail Friday :dunno:Special draw.
Post by: huntnnw on April 16, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on April 17, 2012, 08:14:16 AM
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 12:52:26 PM
Post by: cem3434 on April 17, 2012, 01:28:09 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on April 17, 2012, 05:35:44 PM
Post by: scoyoc5 on April 17, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 17, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
Post by: JLS on April 17, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 18, 2012, 06:13:50 AM
Post by: Roger on April 18, 2012, 07:52:17 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2012, 09:51:33 AM
Post by: bigpaw 77 on April 18, 2012, 10:39:26 AM
Post by: JPhelps on April 18, 2012, 12:20:55 PM
Bob Marshall here I come!
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2012, 12:22:38 PM
Successful! :IBCOOL:
Bob Marshall here I come!
Right on! Special or general tag?
Post by: rbros on April 18, 2012, 12:24:49 PM
Post by: deerslyr on April 18, 2012, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: JPhelps on April 18, 2012, 12:28:00 PM
Rbros- that would be awesome :tup: (hopefully vortex can deliver by then), if not i can take ol maggy.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2012, 12:30:14 PM
Post by: Roger on April 18, 2012, 12:42:37 PM
Post by: cougfan79 on April 18, 2012, 12:46:01 PM
Talked to a Montana fish and game employee earlier today and they were undersubscribed again by about 800 tags in the big game combo.
Looks like I'm going to Montana. :tup: I was a little nervous because we didn't buy the $50 perf point.
Not true. I didn't get drawn for Big Game Combo
Post by: JPhelps on April 18, 2012, 12:48:28 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2012, 12:50:03 PM
Now mine says I was not successful for the Big Game Combo. I had 1 point and my points did not increase for the combo, they increased for everything else. :dunno:
Mine too now that you mention it. Says I got 1 bonus point but 0 preference points...
Post by: Roger on April 18, 2012, 12:52:19 PM
Post by: YellowDog on April 18, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
Did you guys request a refund of the elk tag cost if you didn't draw the deer/elk combo? That is what I did and probably stupidly I paid the preference point fee and that shows 0 points so I am thinking the "not successful" on the combo license has to do with the fact that you are not getting the combo licens you applied for but rather just the deer tag. I have no idea if that is the case really but I'm hoping so because if not, something is screwed with my points/application. I don't know how it could be because I applied online and it was all straight forward from what I could tell.Now mine says I was not successful for the Big Game Combo. I had 1 point and my points did not increase for the combo, they increased for everything else. :dunno:
Mine too now that you mention it. Says I got 1 bonus point but 0 preference points...
Post by: Craig on April 18, 2012, 12:53:22 PM
Post by: bigpaw 77 on April 18, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
Post by: JPhelps on April 18, 2012, 02:28:03 PM
We didn't buy a pref point and got drawn. Tyson's group elected to return their elk tag if not successful on a special permit and it shows them as unsuccessful and they bought a pref point.
Post by: YellowDog on April 18, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
I think the not selected may have to do with the turning your elk tag in option.That's what I'm thinking too.
We didn't buy a pref point and got drawn. Tyson's group elected to return their elk tag if not successful on a special permit and it shows them as unsuccessful and they bought a pref point.
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
I think this is because when you recieve your refund you no longer are considered in the "combo" portion. We will likely still be sent a "Deer" tag but that will not show up in the "big game combo" status, we will have to wait and see.
Post by: Roger on April 18, 2012, 02:48:19 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Post by: furbearer365 on April 18, 2012, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: MuleDeerCrazy on April 18, 2012, 03:55:16 PM
Thanks.
Post by: YellowDog on April 18, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
We couldn't draw the big game combo with a point... I thought they were undersubscribed last year and couldn't hardly give them away after their price hike? Not sure how that works... any insight anybody that's more familiar with the MT process?Did you apply for a special elk permit hunt as well and if so did you elect to refund your elk tag if you did not draw the elk permit you applied for? The thinking seems to be that if you put in for deer/elk combo and applied for an elk permit AND elected to have your elk tag refund if you were unsuccessful in the elk permit drawing then you are showing as unsuccessful for the deer/elk combo but you in fact drew it and due to the refund you will still get your deer tag but the system is not clearly showing what is going on in this instance. :twocents:
Thanks.
Post by: MtnMuley on April 18, 2012, 04:02:41 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 18, 2012, 04:09:32 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 04:12:15 PM
As phool mentioned, there is obviously a glitch. Those who chose the refunds if they were unsuccessful for the special draw, were shown as not selected for the combo. As he stated, they probably will award them a deer combo since refunding the elk part. :twocents:
Correct, at least that is how it was explained to me. The system glitch is that they don't have a way to show that you now have a "Deer Combo" rather than "Big Game Combo".
I'm sure they will have it fixed for next years drawing, after giving us a heart attack this year.
I could not figure out how I could not draw a combo when I had two points and the big game combo was under prescribed by several hundred applicants. I checked my point total and saw it at 0 but have 2 bull permit points. :o
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 04:13:24 PM
no deer tag for me..looks like ID now
Alt list :tup: Last year a couple guys in our group bought tags in Oct, even after they bought tags there were still 80 left.
You can get on the list on the 23rd I think it is.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2012, 04:17:22 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
phool, do you think it is the same if we put in just for an elk combo and not the deer/elk combo?
Don't know but here is how I would look at it. A LOT of guys like me put in for the "Big Game Combo" and chose to forfeit our elk tags if we did not draw bull tags for specific areas. Montana has had a difficult time getting hunters to harvest the quota of elk the last several years, even going so far as to extend the season into the middle of December in 2009 and 2010. Now couple that with the fact that a lot of us are not even going to hunt elk since we didn't get the tag we wanted and I think you have pretty good odds of getting a elk tag if you contact them. :dunno:
Post by: MuleDeerCrazy on April 18, 2012, 04:40:54 PM
As phool mentioned, there is obviously a glitch. Those who chose the refunds if they were unsuccessful for the special draw, were shown as not selected for the combo. As he stated, they probably will award them a deer combo since refunding the elk part. :twocents:
Correct, at least that is how it was explained to me. The system glitch is that they don't have a way to show that you now have a "Deer Combo" rather than "Big Game Combo".
I'm sure they will have it fixed for next years drawing, after giving us a heart attack this year.
I could not figure out how I could not draw a combo when I had two points and the big game combo was under prescribed by several hundred applicants. I checked my point total and saw it at 0 but have 2 bull permit points. :o
Maybe we were just unlucky then, it still shows our 1 point in the system???
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 04:43:12 PM
As phool mentioned, there is obviously a glitch. Those who chose the refunds if they were unsuccessful for the special draw, were shown as not selected for the combo. As he stated, they probably will award them a deer combo since refunding the elk part. :twocents:
Correct, at least that is how it was explained to me. The system glitch is that they don't have a way to show that you now have a "Deer Combo" rather than "Big Game Combo".
I'm sure they will have it fixed for next years drawing, after giving us a heart attack this year.
I could not figure out how I could not draw a combo when I had two points and the big game combo was under prescribed by several hundred applicants. I checked my point total and saw it at 0 but have 2 bull permit points. :o
Maybe we were just unlucky then, it still shows our 1 point in the system???
No, I mean just because you didn't draw doesn't mean you can't still get a tag. I'd check for a elk alternate list, if they have one I'd find it hard to believe that you wouldn't get one after all the tags ae turned back in.
Post by: cougfan79 on April 18, 2012, 04:44:22 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2012, 04:44:37 PM
phool, do you think it is the same if we put in just for an elk combo and not the deer/elk combo?
Don't know but here is how I would look at it. A LOT of guys like me put in for the "Big Game Combo" and chose to forfeit our elk tags if we did not draw bull tags for specific areas. Montana has had a difficult time getting hunters to harvest the quota of elk the last several years, even going so far as to extend the season into the middle of December in 2009 and 2010. Now couple that with the fact that a lot of us are not even going to hunt elk since we didn't get the tag we wanted and I think you have pretty good odds of getting a elk tag if you contact them. :dunno:
We didn't want to draw this year with my dad's work schedule so on that front we are happy. We did it to get the preference and bonus points so we can build up for when we are ready. This is what I am seeing...
Not Successful
2012 ELK PERMIT (380-20) (Party #15282)
NOT SUCCESSFUL
District 380-20 was your 1st choice for the ‘2012 Elk Permit’ Drawing.
2012 GENERAL - ELK COMBO (Party #15283)
NOT SUCCESSFUL
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 18, 2012, 04:50:30 PM
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Post by: nwhunter on April 18, 2012, 06:42:08 PM
Post by: deerslyr on April 18, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
They got er fixed. Mine now says, 2012 deer Combo (retained) successful.. Drew a hellava buck tag too!!
What'd yuh end up drawin?
Post by: ribka on April 18, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on April 19, 2012, 01:35:14 PM
Post by: Craig on April 20, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
Surplus Licenses
Big Game Combination (Deer/ Elk) 1,709 unsold fee = $939.00
Elk Combination (elk only) 2,158 unsold fee = $789.00
Post by: bear on April 21, 2012, 04:24:18 AM
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Post by: yakimacoug on April 26, 2012, 07:25:42 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 26, 2012, 07:34:41 AM
Post by: HUNT on April 26, 2012, 08:12:49 AM
Just sent them $2300 for moose/goat/sheep/bison/. Here is to luck
Me too.
Wish they required up front fees here in Washington, that would really help the draw odds.
Post by: Roger on April 26, 2012, 09:25:38 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 26, 2012, 10:02:39 AM
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Wish they required up front fees here in Washington, that would really help the draw odds.
I agree! or switch to Idahos system. I think that would be THE BEST
Post by: HUNT on April 26, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
QuoteWish they required up front fees here in Washington, that would really help the draw odds.
I agree! or switch to Idahos system. I think that would be THE BEST
Idaho's system may be the best around for OIL's.
Tag fees upfront, only apply for one species per year, no points, and only your first choice really counts. And if you put in for OIL permits, you can't put in for deer/elk or antelope.