Post by: ladyelkslayer on March 20, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 20, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
Post by: lokidog on March 20, 2012, 09:05:41 PM
Post by: hunterdan on March 21, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting
except for illuminated nocks.
Found this on the WDFW website under proposed regulations for 2012-2014.
Post by: muzbuster on March 21, 2012, 05:21:18 AM
(b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment orThats what I read also.
electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting
except for illuminated nocks.
Found this on the WDFW website under proposed regulations for 2012-2014.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 21, 2012, 05:25:01 AM
Post by: 3Under on March 21, 2012, 05:52:21 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 21, 2012, 06:27:08 AM
Post by: 3Under on March 21, 2012, 06:41:26 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 21, 2012, 06:52:46 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 21, 2012, 06:53:24 AM
Seems like they want wounded unrecoverable animals.I'm not sure I understand your statement. A bad shot with a mechanical broadhead is the same as a bad shot with a fixed blade broadhead and I'm not sold on the lighted knock helping you recover game maybe your arrow but not the animal. That being said I have no issues with either one if made legal. If you want to use them help yourself.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 21, 2012, 07:16:10 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 21, 2012, 07:23:15 AM
Seems like they want wounded unrecoverable animals.I'm not sure I understand your statement. A bad shot with a mechanical broadhead is the same as a bad shot with a fixed blade broadhead and I'm not sold on the lighted knock helping you recover game maybe your arrow but not the animal. That being said I have no issues with either one if made legal. If you want to use them help yourself.
I agree with the last part, use whatever you want as long as it's legal, but the first parts I can't agree with 100%. Since I just moved here from a state that allowed the use of expandables, the two bad shots do not compare 100%. Yes, a bad shot is a bad shot, period, but a bad shot with an expandable that does not open is a horrible shot, and doesnt have anywhere close to the cutting diameter of a fixed blade. In my years hunting there, I had many friends hunt with expandables and fixed. I witnessed 3 shots in deer that the expandable did not open in one season. Yes, the deer still were killed, but it took 6-16 hours to do so and were found the next day 550+ yards from the shot. I have never seen a fixed broadhead not open. For me, I dont understand taking the chance of something not opening or going just right when I have the option with the exact same result but without the worry of it not working. Then again, I could careless if someone else is hunting with expandables as long as it's legal in the hunting area and they have practiced and are confident in their shot.
Post by: passing-thru on March 21, 2012, 07:33:17 AM
Seems like they want wounded unrecoverable animals.
Usually stay out of most discussions involving use of expandables because its all a matter of preference ( where legal) but I believe it still comes down to shot placement. When stationed in Montana during early 90s I used s broadhesd called "punch-cutters " Never lost or had to search for animal for long. A well place arrow is lethal period. Many factors go into a lethal shot ( Proper spline, arrow weight, shot angle, ect.) The best broadhead is useless if not backed by the rest of equipment. :twocents:
Post by: oldleclercrd on March 21, 2012, 07:33:46 AM
Seems like they want wounded unrecoverable animals.I'm not sure I understand your statement. A bad shot with a mechanical broadhead is the same as a bad shot with a fixed blade broadhead and I'm not sold on the lighted knock helping you recover game maybe your arrow but not the animal. That being said I have no issues with either one if made legal. If you want to use them help yourself.
D-rock the one good thing about a lighted knock is that after the shot a hunter could maybe recover his arrow ( with the help of the light ) faster and then inspect the blood on the arrow to determine if a unsure shot was either lung or gut. That way you could make a decision to either give the animal an hour or maybe overnight.
Post by: h20hunter on March 21, 2012, 07:37:39 AM
The number one most important piece of that equipment is the shooter themselves.
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 21, 2012, 07:57:51 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 21, 2012, 07:59:15 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 21, 2012, 08:13:30 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 21, 2012, 08:24:20 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 21, 2012, 08:48:56 AM
Post by: Special T on March 21, 2012, 09:52:57 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 21, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
I would guess expandables would be ok on deer, but not so sure on elk... are there any estern states that allow expandables on elk, deer,bear?
Deer and bear - Yes
Elk - not to many eastern states even have a season for them or an animal in their boundaries. If there was, they would allow mechanical/expandable broadheads to be used.
Post by: doyourtime89 on March 21, 2012, 10:09:28 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 21, 2012, 10:10:08 AM
I was told today that for the next two years that lighted nocks and expandables will be allowed in Washington. The guy who told me said he heard it from a friend who works at a Game and Fish office in Seattle...anyone else hear of anything about this yet?
Based on how the WDFW works and everything already posted in this thread, my advice would be to not listen to "the guy who told me" anymore.
Post by: Special T on March 21, 2012, 11:40:49 AM
Post by: ladyelkslayer on March 21, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
Post by: JLS on March 21, 2012, 02:32:21 PM
A bad shot is a bad shot, regardless of what you use. I always have a deep seated fear that an expandable won't open for me. I use fixed blade.
Tom Miranda killed polar bears, elk, bison, etc. with Rage broadheads, so they do work.
Lumenocks are on the list of proposals, expandables are not. If Lumenocks are allowed, they will be adopted for the three year package as was previously stated.
Post by: Machias Bowhunter on March 21, 2012, 08:02:56 PM
Post by: ladyelkslayer on March 21, 2012, 08:30:58 PM
I was told today that for the next two years that lighted nocks and expandables will be allowed in Washington. The guy who told me said he heard it from a friend who works at a Game and Fish office in Seattle...anyone else hear of anything about this yet?
Based on how the WDFW works and everything already posted in this thread, my advice would be to not listen to "the guy who told me" anymore.
lol, that's exactly what I was thinking Double J!
Post by: haulinbass on March 21, 2012, 08:58:51 PM
WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements
(b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or
electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting
except for illuminated nocks.
Post by: boneaddict on March 22, 2012, 05:29:57 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 22, 2012, 07:05:12 AM
Post by: lokidog on March 22, 2012, 08:39:54 AM
If the natives would use expandables and illuminoks to harvest wolves now that's a topic. :chuckle:
While riding a sea lion.... :chuckle:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 22, 2012, 08:56:51 AM
this is straight from the WDFW site
WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements
(b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or
electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting
except for illuminated nocks.
That is the proposal that will be voted on by the Commission in April, not currently legal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 22, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
If the natives would use expandables and illuminoks to harvest wolves now that's a topic. :chuckle:
While riding a sea lion.... :chuckle:
That's there traditional transportation it should tribal policy. :chuckle:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 22, 2012, 09:25:48 AM
Post by: TommyH on March 22, 2012, 02:35:18 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 22, 2012, 03:02:45 PM
lighted nocks will result in less arrow/broadheads left out in the woods!
Supposedly. For me, arrows are expensive enough. I'm not adding $10/per arrow for a light
Post by: seth30 on March 22, 2012, 03:04:00 PM
I might add a few on to save a few bucks. For my target arrows I wont waste the money for them.lighted nocks will result in less arrow/broadheads left out in the woods!
Supposedly. For me, arrows are expensive enough. I'm not adding $10/per arrow for a light
Post by: huntnphool on March 22, 2012, 03:28:25 PM
are there any Western states that allow expandables on elk, deer,bear?
Montana
Post by: TommyH on March 22, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
I might add a few on to save a few bucks. For my target arrows I wont waste the money for them.lighted nocks will result in less arrow/broadheads left out in the woods!
Supposedly. For me, arrows are expensive enough. I'm not adding $10/per arrow for a light
10-4. Just make sure to try it out first, it adds some weight to the arrow, so you will want to know what it is going to do when it comes time to release on your buck/bull/whatever.
Post by: TommyH on March 22, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
lighted nocks will result in less arrow/broadheads left out in the woods!
Supposedly. For me, arrows are expensive enough. I'm not adding $10/per arrow for a light
Supposedly....???? have you never missed? never had a arrow blow threw? of course it will help archers recover more arrows.
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 22, 2012, 04:36:06 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 22, 2012, 05:24:28 PM
lighted nocks will result in less arrow/broadheads left out in the woods!
Supposedly. For me, arrows are expensive enough. I'm not adding $10/per arrow for a light
Supposedly....???? have you never missed? never had a arrow blow threw? of course it will help archers recover more arrows.
bright colored fletchings, reflective wraps, or maybe just maybe... how about the lighted nock which has no electronics which is already legal here.....
Post by: DoubleJ on March 22, 2012, 08:02:56 PM
lighted nocks will result in less arrow/broadheads left out in the woods!
Supposedly. For me, arrows are expensive enough. I'm not adding $10/per arrow for a light
Supposedly....???? have you never missed? never had a arrow blow threw? of course it will help archers recover more arrows.
I have missed and had pass thrus, still always managed to find my arrows...
:yeah:
And the added weight on the back end. Not going to use them. Not going to bash others that will, just not for me. Honestly, if they were $2/ea, I would probably use them
Post by: TommyH on March 22, 2012, 08:26:03 PM
lighted nocks will result in less arrow/broadheads left out in the woods!
Supposedly. For me, arrows are expensive enough. I'm not adding $10/per arrow for a light
Supposedly....???? have you never missed? never had a arrow blow threw? of course it will help archers recover more arrows.
bright colored fletchings, reflective wraps, or maybe just maybe... how about the lighted nock which has no electronics which is already legal here.....
I consider my self(others do to) a pretty good shot, I have bright colored fletchings. I have shot a few arrows that i could not find for the life of me. It sucks losing an arrow with a broadhead on it not only for the cost you paid for it, also you know that your leaving something out there that could injure something/someone if they were to accidently find it. About the lighted nocks with no electronics, i have not seen them or used them. i havent used luminocks either. I am open to trying any that help me find my arrow after a shot.
I think a light(electronic or not) on the end of a arrow will help most people find lost arrows :twocents:
Post by: 92xj on March 22, 2012, 09:08:47 PM
Post by: lokidog on March 22, 2012, 10:26:35 PM
Just an FYI, you can make very good quality lighted nocks for 4 bucks. If you're into making things yourself and saving a little money, it's the way to go. Very easy to do and takes about 10 minutes.
Link or directions for those interested?
Post by: TommyH on March 22, 2012, 10:30:40 PM
Just an FYI, you can make very good quality lighted nocks for 4 bucks. If you're into making things yourself and saving a little money, it's the way to go. Very easy to do and takes about 10 minutes.
sounds good :tup: any more info?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 22, 2012, 10:43:06 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 23, 2012, 12:46:21 AM
MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT BUY THE TWIST THILL LIGHTS! ONLY THE PUSH ON ONES!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hMqLT-4ezzk
Post by: sakoshooter on March 23, 2012, 02:51:08 AM
Seems like they want wounded unrecoverable animals.
How do you draw that conclusion?
Post by: popeshawnpaul on March 23, 2012, 05:12:45 AM
I have not seen or heard anything on expandable heads and no archery group or person has put it in front of the WDFW seriously for this year to be considered. My own polling still shows a slight majority do not favor their use. I do not expect them to be legal next year or anytime in the near future.
Post by: DoubleJ on March 23, 2012, 07:45:43 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 23, 2012, 08:07:27 AM
http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Lindy_Thill_Nite_Brite_Replacement_Battery/Light&i=441844&r=view&aID=504AE7&cvsfa=2586&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=343431383434&cID=GSHOP_441844
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 23, 2012, 08:08:55 AM
Seems like they want wounded unrecoverable animals.
How do you draw that conclusion?
It's a report I've been doing on how bad wa hunting has become due to biracratic liberal influence. Lmao not really. :chuckle: Ive concluded that other states repopulation of game must be from expandables not opening and not from proper game management.
Post by: lokidog on March 23, 2012, 09:17:07 AM
Post by: Dnix on April 29, 2012, 07:15:12 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/
Post by: lokidog on April 29, 2012, 07:27:54 AM