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Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: bearpaw on March 23, 2012, 03:10:45 PM
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Wolves kill 3 dogs near Blackrock, WY
http://www.lifewithwolves.org/home/?p=12240
By Cory Hatch, Jackson Hole, Wyo.
March 21, 2012
Wolves killed or injured four dogs in Jackson Hole this month, even as residents and wildlife managers worked to come to grips with the predators expanding their territory and moving closer to humans. The most recent incident occurred in Buffalo Valley, where a pack killed three hounds that went missing from their yard near the Blackrock Ranger Station on March 7.
U.S. Fish and Wildlife personnel helped the dogs’ owner, Jack Hatch, find and retrieve the carcasses March 16.A fourth dog returned to Hatch’s cabin uninjured March 10.
The four dogs disappeared after Hatch heard them get into a scuffle.
“I usually give them a couple of hours in the morning to run in the yard,” he said. “I was in my tack room, and that’s when I heard a commotion.”
Hatch attempted to follow the dogs on snowshoes and horseback, but snow and high water made pursuit impossible, he said.
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service personnel warned that wolves were nearby right after the dogs went missing, but the warning came too late.
“One of the wolf guys called and asked me if I had any problems because he tracked the wolves to my house,” Hatch said.
Hatch and his neighbors looked for the dogs for several days before Fish and Wildlife personnel said they found their carcasses.
“They found one of the dogs on a ridge, and then 200 yards away they found another dog, and then after another 200 yards they found another dog,” Hatch said.
The dogs were partially eaten.
“They’re family dogs,” Hatch said. “They were born and raised here from pups. They were trained to follow my horse. They’re [some] of the most personable, friendly dogs you could be around.”
Hatch and his wife considered giving the dogs away.
“I was afraid of this happening,” he said. “I have to lock them up in boxes at night.”
Hatch also built a 5-foot-high fence around a portion of his property to protect the dogs.
The incident in Buffalo Valley comes after a group of wolves that has roamed subdivisions in west Jackson, South Park and south of Wilson attacked and injured a dog last week. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wolf manager Mike Jimenez would not say where the incident occurred, but he has estimated two wolves are currently traveling together.
Jimenez’s unwillingness to disclose the location of the attack is a disservice to the community, said Alice Eve Richter, who lives in the Skyline Ranch subdivision west of Jackson and owns four dogs.
“I was very disappointed in Mike,” she said. “He refused to tell me where that wolf attack occurred. I don’t think that was right.
“An animal, if it becomes a pet, becomes part of the family, and I think you want to protect your family,” Richter continued. “Before you know it, you have an investment in those animals, a financial and emotional investment.”
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s refusal to release more information about the incident doesn’t help wolves or the people who live among them, said Chris Colligan, Wyoming wildlife advocate for the Greater Yellowstone Coalition.
“Agencies really run into difficulty when they aren’t transparent,” he said. “With transparency comes trust. Because there hasn’t been transparency, the public has some valid questions.”
Colligan was quick to say that Jimenez has done a good job keeping the public informed in the past.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service could better serve the public by educating people, not keeping them in the dark, Colligan said.
“Residents of Jackson Hole need to be proactive — keeping their dogs on a leash, keeping them contained and keeping pet foods away from all wildlife,” he said. “The better informed people are, the better decisions people can make in adapting their own behavior. This is cutting-edge wildlife management.”
Jimenez defended his decision not to disclose the location of the wolf attack, saying the incident occurred on private property. Also, wolves range widely and rarely attack in the same place, he said.
“Where these wolves were has little to do with where wolves are,” he said. “How many times do wolves kill in the same spot? Virtually never.”
“We’ve had 153 dogs killed in the three states since the early ’90s,” Jimenez said. “This is the whole point of saying this is an inappropriate place for a wolf.”
Colligan said Jackson Hole residents have begun to adapt to grizzly bears by enacting Teton County regulations on keeping garbage and other human sources of food secure. Residents will need a similar effort to adapt as wolves expand their territory.
“Where else in the lower 48 do we have an intact ecosystem will all four large carnivores?” Colligan asked. “Residents in and around the town of Jackson will need to become as proactive as someone who lives in Buffalo Valley. It’s no different than what we’ve seen with bears.”
Wildlife managers need to step up wolf management and give landowners more latitude when dealing with the predators, Hatch said.
“I don’t have anything against the wolf people,” he said, “but I think that there’s some things that need to change. You have to let people protect their personal property. It’s just being a poor neighbor turning these things loose and not managing them.”
Wildlife managers plan to capture and kill the wolves involved in the dog injury in west Jackson, but at least one outfitter says the wolves should be allowed to stay where they are.
“Those wolves are actually doing more good because that is the area where we can’t get a harvest on those elk,” said B.J. Hill, owner of Swift Creek Outfitters. “If the wolf lovers want these wolves, then they need to learn to live with them, especially when you live next to a national park.”
(These pics were taken after they found the dogs.)
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As an owner and very proactive advocate for German Shepherds, I feel for the owners.
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maybe i am happy i dont have my hounds anymore, when i left for the service i gave them away and they were top notch cat dogs, they ran zero trash and they were the best buddies a kid could have, had they been torn up by wolves i would have been a mess and i definatly would have had a personal vendetta against wolves, what a terrible animal to bring back to the lower 48, well like i said time and time again, it wont really hit home until one of these killing machines does something bad to someone with power. kill them all, and do it soon
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Well, that will never happen. Wildlife live by rules that they are ingrained with, and that doesn't allow them to recognize civilization boundaries. We have to be more responsible and watchful of our pets, and learn to be aware of predators, their habits and where they are roaming. Habitual livestock and pet killers will be taken out, but the wolves will always be here now.
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Well, that will never happen. Wildlife live by rules that they are ingrained with, and that doesn't allow them to recognize civilization boundaries. We have to be more responsible and watchful of our pets, and learn to be aware of predators, their habits and where they are roaming. Habitual livestock and pet killers will be taken out, but the wolves will always be here now.
As bad as I hate to agree, you are most likely correct. :bash:
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I wonder what the reaction will be when one of those Karelian Bear Dogs gets mauled by wolves?
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I guess I'd be proactive and hunt the wolves down and take whatever punishment necessary. If a dog kills a sheep the dog is killed, if a dog bites a person it should be put down, if wolves are getting that close to humans and killing pets they should be hunted and killed. Just my :twocents: If they kill wildlife, it is their nature, they need to eat also.
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My sister lives on the outskirts of Polson. Both of their dogs were killed and a neighbor's dog was chewed off it's leash while tied to the deck of their house.
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We can make those judgements on dogs, as they are domestic animals. But the wolves are just being wolves. Thats why people should be allowed to 'harass' them if they are within city limits to discourage them.
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We can make those judgements on dogs, as they are domestic animals. But the wolves are just being wolves. Thats why people should be allowed to 'harass' them if they are within city limits to discourage them.
Uh oh.....18 posts and pro Wolf.
A person should not have to worry about that happening to their dogs. It makes me sick to think that "wolves just being wolves" is ok.
So only when in the city limits? So it is ok if they just kill for sport outside the city limts. I see. Guess you are not a hunter or care about a real balance of wildlife.
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Hummm so that would never happen in Washington just like there could never be cougars in my tree 1/2 mile from 40th ave in Yakima.. give it 5 years and I will be videoing wolves in my field. we are next.
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I'm both pro wolf and pro hunting. I hunt, as I've said elsewhere in this forum.
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I'm both pro wolf and pro hunting. I hunt, as I've said elsewhere in this forum.
Your a troll... Someone asked you for pictures of kills and you stated you haven't been successful. Yet in another post you claim deer and elk in our state aren't as healthy to eat because we don't have wolves, really, wtf, make your mind up here. You sound like a leaf licking tree hugger.
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Sad to say but this needs to keep happening to stop the madness.
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Keep on keepin on.....SSS
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How the heck does a state agency deny the public to know exactly where this kill site was, or exactly where they have tracked the wolves?
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I'm both pro wolf and pro hunting. I hunt, as I've said elsewhere in this forum.
Your a troll... Someone asked you for pictures of kills and you stated you haven't been successful. Yet in another post you claim deer and elk in our state aren't as healthy to eat because we don't have wolves, really, wtf, make your mind up here. You sound like a leaf licking tree hugger.
Make up my mind? I'm a beginning hunter who see's the benefit of having wolves back. If I were a tree hugger, than I would feel horrible about all the sheep that I slaughter.
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I'm both pro wolf and pro hunting. I hunt, as I've said elsewhere in this forum.
Your a troll... Someone asked you for pictures of kills and you stated you haven't been successful. Yet in another post you claim deer and elk in our state aren't as healthy to eat because we don't have wolves, really, wtf, make your mind up here. You sound like a leaf licking tree hugger.
Make up my mind? I'm a beginning hunter who see's the benefit of having wolves back. If I were a tree hugger, than I would feel horrible about all the sheep that I slaughter.
You are talking out your ass and only posting on topics about wolves. You are contradicting yourself in a couple threads and have yet provide any evidence to your claims about elk and deer meat being unhealthy because of the environment lacking wolves.
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:yeah: If a beginning hunter, maybe you should learn some more.
Wolves were hunted out because they don't mix with people. (we are on their menu).
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I really get sick about this stuff. I feel for the owner of the dogs, and he should be compensated for his loss.
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I hunted near Jackson in December. There are 1000s of elk that winter in the refuge next to town. Now that the wolves found them & are moving in it can't be good news for them. Strange with all that elk meat nearby they go take out the dogs. Probably just eliminating what they think is the competition.
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:yeah: If a beginning hunter, maybe you should learn some more.
Wolves were hunted out because they don't mix with people. (we are on their menu).
They were hunted because of intolerance of a possible competitor. They wanted to reap money off of ungulates that they didn't want predators to get to.
I'm a beginning hunter, but have been studying ecology for awhile and have taken knowledge from old timers here on Mt. Rainier. I ain't no city guy.
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:yeah: If a beginning hunter, maybe you should learn some more.
Wolves were hunted out because they don't mix with people. (we are on their menu).
They were hunted because of intolerance of a possible competitor. They wanted to reap money off of ungulates that they didn't want predators to get to.
I'm a beginning hunter, but have been studying ecology for awhile and have taken knowledge from old timers here on Mt. Rainier. I ain't no city guy.
Humanure, your chosen name is fitting. "I ain't no city guy?" You are trying really hard to fit in and it aint working. We are not a bunch of inbred hillbillies here.
You state you are a "beginning" hunter. What have you hunted? What is your goal with hunting?
What exactly are you studying on Mt Rainier? What school is your study associated with?
You stated you have studied wolves as a volunteer, under a researcher? And now you want to go hunting? Really?
Not fooling me.
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:yeah: If a beginning hunter, maybe you should learn some more.
Wolves were hunted out because they don't mix with people. (we are on their menu).
They were hunted because of intolerance of a possible competitor. They wanted to reap money off of ungulates that they didn't want predators to get to.
I'm a beginning hunter, but have been studying ecology for awhile and have taken knowledge from old timers here on Mt. Rainier. I ain't no city guy.
Humanure, your chosen name is fitting. "I ain't no city guy?" You are trying really hard to fit in and it aint working. We are not a bunch of inbred hillbillies here.
You state you are a "beginning" hunter. What have you hunted? What is your goal with hunting?
What exactly are you studying on Mt Rainier? What school is your study associated with?
You stated you have studied wolves as a volunteer, under a researcher? And now you want to go hunting? Really?
Not fooling me.
My goal with hunting is to get off my ass instead of just hearing about my friends hunting expiditions. I've hunted deer, bear, and even camped out along the elk trails near my house.
My studies other than wolves have been in general predator-prey relationships, how either one effects the land with and without the other, subsistance farming, chemical free local sheep farming with Icelandic sheep(Yam-Lamb Sheep and Cattle Co.), wildlife rehabilition. I've studied under a Puget Sound wildlife rehab's liscence.
Believe it or not, their are researchers out the who are also for hunting.
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sss what does that mean? :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Shoot, Shovel and Serve your time. Criminals go to prison.
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Oh thanks I thought the last s was SHUT up, my bad :sry:
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Sure, if you want to be a criminal.
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Just 'cuz it's legal doesn't always mean its right, and just because it's against the law doesn't always make it wrong. I'll say no more on the subject.
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Humanure, when these wolves start killing people, will you have a different outlook on this, or will it be the person's fault and just a natural predator/prey relationship?
When wolves are walking through the center of town looking for food, they're overpopulated, way beyond carrying capacity for them to be leaving the safety of the wilds. They should be severely thinned out and forced far back into the wilderness. There should be an open season until the wolves are in tightly controlled numbers.
The country is different and we have a large population of people here where they weren't before. Wolves can't be allowed to exist as they have before. It needs to be different according to the changes in our population. They were killed off before because of the damage they did. Now with a population about 5 times what it was then, incidents will be more frequent. Their recovery must be severely limited.
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humanure reminds me alot of a facebook guy Dallas :chuckle:
the big picture to look at is wolves and people cant coexist together, especially with the population we have today in WA, the only way it works is to take man out of the environment completely. we replaced wolves and did an excellent job at filling in for them. With hounds, trapping, and other forums of hunting we were able to replace alot of predators and for the last 70 some years had no issues. you cant add the top predator in the world into a enviroment that hasn't seen them in almost a century and expect they will fit right in with no effect.
its really frustrating seeing peoples dogs get killed by wolves, nothing good comes from having them back. not saying SSS is the way to go but I'm not opposed to the idea ;)
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5 black and tans were killed by wolves in Idaho late Oct or November ambushed by wolves.
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This is seriously under my skin.... How could the government not step up and end this sheet !! ? the wolves need to go ......NOW !!!!!!!!
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All you have to do is look at Yellowstone without wolves compared to before exterpation and after reintroduction to see what happens to the landscape when you toy with the balance.
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Humanure, when these wolves start killing people, will you have a different outlook on this, or will it be the person's fault and just a natural predator/prey relationship?
Domestic dogs attack and kill more people every year than wolves have in recorded history. What say you on that? Like I said before, people should be aware of the wildlife they live around.
When wolves are walking through the center of town looking for food, they're overpopulated, way beyond carrying capacity for them to be leaving the safety of the wilds. They should be severely thinned out and forced far back into the wilderness. There should be an open season until the wolves are in tightly controlled numbers.
When the food supply thins, the wolves starve. Plenty of wolves die in the woods of starvation. Sure the numbers boom, but they falter as well.
The country is different and we have a large population of people here where they weren't before. Wolves can't be allowed to exist as they have before. It needs to be different according to the changes in our population. They were killed off before because of the damage they did. Now with a population about 5 times what it was then, incidents will be more frequent. Their recovery must be severely limited.
The wolves were killed off because of greed. How else do you think the land survived before the pilgrims came here? Yes, the numbers should be managed, but people should take responsibility and control our own over-reproductive rate. But thats another discussion altogether.
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All you have to do is look at Yellowstone without wolves compared to before exterpation and after reintroduction to see what happens to the landscape when you toy with the balance.
People weren't allowed to control the ungulate populations in YNP (hunting).
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Domestic dogs attack and kill more people every year than wolves have in recorded history. What say you on that? Like I said before, people should be aware of the wildlife they live around.
You can get rid of a bad dog, the government is not allowing people to take care of bad wolves.
When the food supply thins, the wolves starve. Plenty of wolves die in the woods of starvation. Sure the numbers boom, but they falter as well.
FACT: When the wild game thins wolves turn to livestock and pets.
The wolves were killed off because of greed. How else do you think the land survived before the pilgrims came here? Yes, the numbers should be managed, but people should take responsibility and control our own over-reproductive rate. But thats another discussion altogether.
The wolves were killed off because they eat livestock. Americans have already cut back their reproductive rate. Idahoans have cut back on the wolf reproductive rate. :chuckle:
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But when you have to put a dog down, the damage is already done. Meanwhile, wolf attacks on humans are rare at best, and must as everyone thinks they will just go rampant on humans, I don't see the rate increasing in any significant rate, but even then, will pale in comparison to dog attacks.
Yes, they might/will turn to domesticated animals. Thats why we have to responsible for our animals and take the measures proven to be effective. How else does a huge sheep farm in Minnisota residing between two large packs have little to no predations? Lifestock guardian dogs and night shepherds. Plus its been proven time and time again, wolves represent less than 1% of the elemnts that cause livestock deaths every year.
Yes, the pilgrims did not want to lose livestock to wolves. Livestock non-native to our country in the first place. No matter how you paint it, it was intolerance and greed.
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Kill all the wolves like our ancestors did, problem solved. :tup:
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Do you honestly believe that? Hahaha. How un-Christ like...
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But when you have to put a dog down, the damage is already done. Meanwhile, wolf attacks on humans are rare at best, and must as everyone thinks they will just go rampant on humans, I don't see the rate increasing in any significant rate, but even then, will pale in comparison to dog attacks.
Yes, they might/will turn to domesticated animals. Thats why we have to responsible for our animals and take the measures proven to be effective. How else does a huge sheep farm in Minnisota residing between two large packs have little to no predations? Lifestock guardian dogs and night shepherds. Plus its been proven time and time again, wolves represent less than 1% of the elemnts that cause livestock deaths every year.
Yes, the pilgrims did not want to lose livestock to wolves. Livestock non-native to our country in the first place. No matter how you paint it, it was intolerance and greed.
how many adopt-a-wolf stickers you got on your lunch box?
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I don't have a lunchbox, guy, nor would I put such asinine stickers on it if I had one.
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But when you have to put a dog down, the damage is already done. Meanwhile, wolf attacks on humans are rare at best, and must as everyone thinks they will just go rampant on humans, I don't see the rate increasing in any significant rate, but even then, will pale in comparison to dog attacks.
Yes, they might/will turn to domesticated animals. Thats why we have to responsible for our animals and take the measures proven to be effective. How else does a huge sheep farm in Minnisota residing between two large packs have little to no predations? Lifestock guardian dogs and night shepherds. Plus its been proven time and time again, wolves represent less than 1% of the elemnts that cause livestock deaths every year.
Yes, the pilgrims did not want to lose livestock to wolves. Livestock non-native to our country in the first place. No matter how you paint it, it was intolerance and greed.
Dude it's greed on the part of you wolf lovers that is going to backlash. If you wolf huggers would have been saitisdfied with a few wolves you would have been more successful, but your greed wanted more and more wolves. It backlashed in Idaho and the people are now killing the hell out of wolves over there. :tup:
Your greed is going to push it too far in this state too becuase you can't help yourself, you are too greedy, when the backlash happens we are going to kill the hell out of wolves in this state too. :twocents:
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Its the powers that be that choose the numbers, not the people.
You can think whatever you like, just like i can. Guess we'll have to see how it all plays out, now won't we?
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You can think whatever you like, just like i can. Guess we'll have to see how it all plays out, now won't we?
It's not an opinion, its a fact. Look at Idaho to see how its already been played out. :dunno:
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Different state, different ecosystem. You can take notes, but there's no garentee that it will play out the same.
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And that's horrible about them dogs, if that happened to me id dump any wolf that came near my home and burry it, and if it was colared it would be tied to a floaty and sent down a river. Couldn't imagine how the owner felt, not just one, but 3 dogs killed!
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Thats why i lock my dogs up. I've lost a few to cougar and coyotes.
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Different ecosystem, are you kidding me right now? not much difference in the ecosystems of EW & Idaho, and is an ecosystem going change wolves behavior. They will kill whatever comes in their way where ever they are regardless. Washington will be a repeat of Idaho, now YOU just watch and see. People like you are the problem, you can't see the disaster in the making. Your a let's wait and see what happens type of guy, but after the damage is done its to late. How much evidence do you need to realize wolves are a problem, and should be removed like in are past history?
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Because I see where wolves are not a problem due to people that are willing to take the measures to co-exist. Again, how does a sheep farm in Minnisota go without predations living in wolf country?
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Thats why i lock my dogs up. I've lost a few to cougar and coyotes.
I doubt this is true, I am calling :liar:
Wolf lovers use this approach all the time to reationalize the existance of wolves. A lot of you folks live in the country and how many of you have lost a dog that you undeniably know was killed by a cougar or coyotes? This wolf lover claims he has lost a few that way, this is only an attempt to to rationalize the existance of wolves and I would bet a Ben Franklin that it's an outright lie. :tup:
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Thats why i lock my dogs up. I've lost a few to cougar and coyotes.
I doubt this is true, I am calling :liar:
Wolf lovers use this approach all the time to reationalize the existance of wolves. A lot of you folks live in the country and how many of you have lost a dog that you undeniably know was killed by a cougar or coyotes? This wolf lover claims he has lost a few that way, this is only an attempt to to rationalize the existance of wolves and I would bet a Ben Franklin that it's an outright lie. :tup:
:yeah:
Pretty easy to tell this guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing :chuckle: The ecosystem comparison is hilarious. This guy has probably never left downtown Seattle.
MS
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Because I see where wolves are not a problem due to people that are willing to take the measures to co-exist. Again, how does a sheep farm in Minnisota go without predations living in wolf country?
SSS??? :chuckle:
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Wolf in sheeps clothing fits this perfect. He sounds like a greenie that doesn't get out of the city very much. Is willing to sacrifice deer, elk, moose, and whatever other animals that wolves decide to dine on.
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He said he camped once behind his house... :chuckle:
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And by an actual elk trail! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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He said he camped once behind his house... :chuckle:
Silly greenie thinks that's camping. :chuckle:
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And his goal in hunting is to get off his ass :chuckle: :chuckle: man i wish my goals in hunting were that simple and easily achievable. :dunno:
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And :yeah: I call *censored* also about losing three dogs to coyotes and cougars. I'm just trying to figure out, was it two dogs lost to coyotes, and one to a cougar, or two to a cougar, and one to a coyote, or was the coyote and cougar working together on this? This is rare at best to happen to people with their dogs, but with you it happened three times? Come on man. :dunno:
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3 dogs probably not too far fetched if you keep them with the predators you are rehabilitating.
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When did I say three dogs?
And I've lived in Tacoma for exactly one year when i was 22, and then went back to Mt. Rainier. That was too much to deal with, I could NEVER live in Seattle. I'd kill someone.
One of my dogs was one of the few along with my neighbors cow that was killed by an old cougar along the Nisqually. The game warden said it was an older one who was likely having troubles surviving and turing to domestic animals. I lost another to the coyotes that prowl my woods. I couldn't get him to come to the house after hearing them ringing off in the woods behind us, and never saw my dog again. I'd say its safe to say it was the coyotes.
When i first started hunting, yes, I set up on the elk trails(or as my friend called it when he tracked it, an elk highway). Where I live the Nisqually and ever stretching woods is just behind me.
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If you living in Seattle would cause you to commit murder you may want to seek serious professional help. Just returning your own advice.
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Hahaha, that is funny. Obviously I was figuratively speaking, but still funny.
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We can make those judgements on dogs, as they are domestic animals. But the wolves are just being wolves. Thats why people should be allowed to 'harass' them if they are within city limits to discourage them.
In this case "harass" equal hugs :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Wolf troll alert
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We can make those judgements on dogs, as they are domestic animals. But the wolves are just being wolves. Thats why people should be allowed to 'harass' them if they are within city limits to discourage them.
In this case "harass" equal hugs :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Wolf troll alert
"Wolves being wolves"
And ticks are just being ticks when they bite you and give you Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever or Lymes Disease.
Going to start a "Ticker luvers" FB page now
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I'll see ya there!
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Even David killed lions and other preditors to protect his flock in Bible times and God did not condemn him for that. If I knew how to post the coment humanure put I would but don't know how.
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Thats why i lock my dogs up. I've lost a few to cougar and coyotes.
Idk, I guess I've always thought a few meant 3. My bad, I apologize. :sry:
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Going to start a "Ticker luvers" FB page now
Just remember: you can harass them but don't kill them.
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In case you don't know the power of the wolf moon tee-shirt - look it up here
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:yeah: haha, naw. I wear extreme heavy metal t shirts only, like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/CATTLE-DECAPITATION-T-SHIRT-HUMANURE-NEW-/250715970165
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Thats why i lock my dogs up. I've lost a few to cougar and coyotes.
Idk, I guess I've always thought a few meant 3. My bad, I apologize. :sry:
Who can rule out it might have been a few rainbow people that strayed away from the herd with a craving for red meat instead of the daily rice and bean diet? :chuckle:
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Going to start a "Ticker luvers" FB page now
Just remember: you can harass them but don't kill them.
Wife is a graphic designer by trade.
maybe some bumper stickers :
"Ticks can hug with 8 arms but humans can only hug with 2 arms"
" Ticks never designed nuclear weapons"
"A tick would rather suck the blood of a wolf than a human"
"A tick is just a wolf minus 6 arms, hair and canines"
I could go on all night.....
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The joker claims Bearpaws actions as un-Christ like and then out of his own mouth spews that he would kill someone if he had to live in Seattle, what a flipping hypocrite!!! We are all aware of the cloak of lies that most all wolf lovers sculk around under, we see clearly through their web of deceit, but to have a knuckle head like you come on hear an pretend to be pro-hunting or pro-wildlife management just irks me. Nuke his IP address if you ask me. :twocents:
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Again, that was figurately speaking. It's kind've a common thing for people to say if I had to live here, if I had to do this... i would kill someone. You know, figure of speech. Of all the things I've said and you latch onto THAT? Hilarious.
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Humanure is wack job Eco terrorist.
Agree with you.
Good post
The joker claims Bearpaws actions as un-Christ like and then out of his own mouth spews that he would kill someone if he had to live in Seattle, what a flipping hypocrite!!! We are all aware of the cloak of lies that most all wolf lovers sculk around under, we see clearly through their web of deceit, but to have a knuckle head like you come on hear an pretend to be pro-hunting or pro-wildlife management just irks me. Nuke his IP address if you ask me. :twocents:
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Again, that was figurately speaking. It's kind've a common thing for people to say if I had to live here, if I had to do this... i would kill someone. You know, figure of speech. Of all the things I've said and you latch onto THAT? Hilarious.
So why do you get your panties in a knot everytime somebody says to SSS? It is just speaking figuratively... :dunno:
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Because it condones the act of breaking the law. You can joke about it, but that phrase holds alot of weight.
And I ain't no eco-terrorist. Those Green Scare people belong in the prisons they are rotting in.
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here's a deep philosophic question for you:
So If I sped up above the speed limit (breaking the law) to avoid hitting a magnificent animal like the wolf would that be ok in your world Humanure?
Or should I Obey the law and hit and kill the grey wolf introduced from Canada?
Because it condones the act of breaking the law. You can joke about it, but that phrase holds alot of weight.
And I ain't no eco-terrorist. Those Green Scare people belong in the prisons they are rotting in.
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Speed up to avoid collision? can't say I've heard of that tactic. But in my experience, I braced for the collisions rather than swerve to miss. Too many variables of extra damage if you do that.
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A wolf would never be near a road, there too busy killing all the sick elk and deer :chuckle:
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Too damn funny
You need to go back to your masters for more instructions
FYI you'll have a difficult time banning hunting on a hunting web site troll.
maybe if you cross your Icelandic sheep -( invasive species) with Canadian grey wolves( invasive species) you could develop a species that consumes itself and solve the problem
Speed up to avoid collision? can't say I've heard of that tactic. But in my experience, I braced for the collisions rather than swerve to miss. Too many variables of extra damage if you do that.
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Hes baiting people to say stuff just like the last couple of trolls that have come on the website. :twocents:
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maybe if you cross your Icelandic sheep -( invasive species) with Canadian grey wolves( invasive species) you could develop a species that consumes itself and solve the problem
Thats actually REALLY FUNNY! Hahaha! I'm going to use that one later for sure(not joking).
I ain't baiting anyone. I mean every damn word I say.
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Do you like lead ammunition?
Do you think it should be banned?
maybe if you cross your Icelandic sheep -( invasive species) with Canadian grey wolves( invasive species) you could develop a species that consumes itself and solve the problem
Thats actually REALLY FUNNY! Hahaha! I'm going to use that one later for sure(not joking).
I ain't baiting anyone. I mean every damn word I say.
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here's a deep philosophic question for you:
So If I sped up above the speed limit (breaking the law) to avoid hitting a magnificent animal like the wolf would that be ok in your world Humanure?
Or should I Obey the law and hit and kill the grey wolf introduced from Canada?
Because it condones the act of breaking the law. You can joke about it, but that phrase holds alot of weight.
And I ain't no eco-terrorist. Those Green Scare people belong in the prisons they are rotting in.
I gotta give that one to humanure, that was a stupid question :chuckle:
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Thats why i lock my dogs up. I've lost a few to cougar and coyotes.
I doubt this is true, I am calling :liar:
Wolf lovers use this approach all the time to reationalize the existance of wolves. A lot of you folks live in the country and how many of you have lost a dog that you undeniably know was killed by a cougar or coyotes? This wolf lover claims he has lost a few that way, this is only an attempt to to rationalize the existance of wolves and I would bet a Ben Franklin that it's an outright lie. :tup:
:yeah: BearPaw hit the same button I did when I read that. This hugger is FOS.
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:tung:
Because it condones the act of breaking the law. You can joke about it, but that phrase holds alot of weight.
Saying that if you lived in seattle you would kill someone also condones breaking the law.
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Here we go.. another tree hugger with his head in the clouds. Why dont you drive your prius to Idaho and see for yourself what these animals do. Maybe you can camp along some wolf trails :tup: That would be fun!
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its people like you humanmanure, that are gonna run what game we do have left right into the friggin ground, oh and heres a question,what happens when these wolves quit hunting like they would normally because they find elk and sheep feeding station alot easier, or what do we do when these populations get out of control, which is whats gonna happen because by the time they reach the breeding pairs that are desired it will be to late, put it this way it would be like hunters going out and trying to rid the state of coyotes with just a rifle, did you vote on the baiting, hounds and trapping rights, if you dont mind i would like to know which way you went on those rights, i for one voted to keep them but i fear there were alot wolves hidden in sheeps clothing that voted the other way......well a thought to leave you with, when this crap gets out of hand, no matter how bad hunters are beat down by people like you and are fine wdfw, but when it really gets bad, hunters will be standing in the wings like a soldier ready to do battle and wipe these friggin wolves out to save our heards that we HUNTERS truly care about, maybe we will see you on the front lines with the rest of us, TO DO WHATS RIGHT.
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:yeah: It's only a matter of time before they (WOLVES) discover the feeding stations and it's going to be easy pickings. :bash: I mean if they're going to allow the wolves in there then they shouldn't make a stink about any other predator being in there? :dunno: (Not condoning, just an example)
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Honestly, i have no opinion on hound hunting. Haven't done the research.
What I think isn't important. I've stated how I felt on the issue. If wolves can be properly managed, I feel co-existence is possible. I've stated how I feel about the current management plan.
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i knew you would dodge the questions, ya know i would have alot more respect for you if you would just tell the truth and fess up to the fact that your a true blue wolve lover, this actn like a hunter and that you actually give a damn about animals other than wolves is a big pile of steamn human manure..... :bash: :tup:
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You asked, but I honestly don't know enough about hound hunting to say whether I think it's right or not. What did you want me to say?
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You asked, but I honestly don't know enough about hound hunting to say whether I think it's right or not. What did you want me to say?
You didn't know?? You're either against them or for them! Decide for yourself who "them" is :rolleyes:
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Well, I never gave that style of hunting any thought before. I'll look into it and come back with an answer if its that important.
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Just hope you caught my sarcasm and enjoyed my avatar :chuckle:
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Meh, have seen pettier. :chuckle:
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Damn...
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Ranchers purposely having wolves on their credit/bank cards so they can take a red marker and drawl crosshairs on it. Thats pretty hilarious.
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why would you have to do research on hound huntn, baiting or trapping, a hunter of your caliber should already know the ins and out of all three, trapping was one of the best tools ever to keep beaver and other nuissance animals in check, baiting and hounds were the only real desent chance method of keeping bear, bobcat and cougars in check, well now with the loss of those 3, the cougar numbers are through the roof same with bobcat and bear, which all 3 of those critters love baby deer and baby elk, oh so heres the good part lets let wolves back in the state, so now you have four animals that are masters at killing and wolves being the grand master of them all, and also the most intelligent of the 4, so as i said before, it wont be long before momma and baby tree hugger, wolf lover are at a feeding station and BANG in swoops a pack of wolves and rip the crap out of a mama elk right in front of them oh and the noise they make while life is leaving their body will leave a ever lasting impression on mama and baby tree hugger, wolf lover, and then they will demand that something is done so noone has to see that again and BANG there goes the feeding stations that these elk and sheep rely on to get through the winter..... :tup:
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Why are we allowing this jackhole humanure to hijack all of our threads? He's going on iggy in my profile now. If you don't know how to ignore someone, pm me.
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You asked, but I honestly don't know enough about hound hunting to say whether I think it's right or not. What did you want me to say?
You dont have to study or rite a paper to have an opinion
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I think it would be appropriate to change the thread topic title to "Anti Wolf Topics" since Id say the majority of the folks here don't want them, no matter what the scenario and "what ifs". We don't want them. Period.
MS
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I am a Christian and as such believe that wolves were created by God and deserve to live in this world. I do not believe that wolves are bad because that would be to say that God made a mistake and IMO God is all-knowing and all powerful and does not make mistakes. However, I am also a hunter and believe that uncontrolled wolf populations can and will decimate game herds. I believe that any wolf threatening a person or that person's property should have its life forfeit.
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Do you honestly believe that? Hahaha. How un-Christ like...
I'm sorry... but I hate it when people mix religion with management issues.
SCIENCE / RELIGION
not..
SCIENLIGION
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Well, I'm not a Christian and believe we killed the wolves before for a reason. Wolves and people don't mix. They were here before because we weren't. Now we're here and we don't need them. This is going to get out of hand in a big fat hurry and lose me the right to hunt the critters I've helped come back from the brink.
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Well, I'm not a Christian and believe we killed the wolves before for a reason. Wolves and people don't mix. They were here before because we weren't. Now we're here and we don't need them. This is going to get out of hand in a big fat hurry and lose me the right to hunt the critters I've helped come back from the brink.
:tup: :tup:
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I just don't understand why we're working on recovering an animal that doesn't need too much help as they've so successfully shown us, vs recovering an animal that's in a tailspin and eventually will require that we "recover" it as well, if even possible (see: mule deer)
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Well, I'm not a Christian and believe we killed the wolves before for a reason. Wolves and people don't mix. They were here before because we weren't. Now we're here and we don't need them. This is going to get out of hand in a big fat hurry and lose me the right to hunt the critters I've helped come back from the brink.
:yeah: DAMN SKIPPY, now all we need is to get people like human manure to keep his trap shut, so when we get a chance to vote for the right to kill all woves on sight we wont have to worry about *censored*s like him messn crap up like he and his kind screwed up trappin, baitn and hound huntn.... its a simple fact and i have said it a thousand times, noone and i mean noone truly cares about are animals as much as a sportsman does.... plain and simple.... do some research on that human manure.... :tup:
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My problem is with the phrase 'care about the animals'. Because to some, it's a better way of saying you want to be the only ones killing them. Not saying thats the case, but I see people coming to that conclusion alot.
We, as in people, may not need wolves. But there are things bigger than us to worry about.
Again, the reason they were killed before, was to make money. They turned this region into an elk farm to cator to the hunting community. But thats just a theory like everything else.
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Concerned hunters give Millions of dollars a year to enhance wildlife habitat.
Wolves give ZERO dollars a year for wildlife habitat.
All wolves do is carry very dangerous parasites that can be transferred to children and kill for fun
Do they wolves have a Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation that spends millions a year for elk habitat?
hunters do
case closed
My problem is with the phrase 'care about the animals'. Because to some, it's a better way of saying you want to be the only ones killing them. Not saying thats the case, but I see people coming to that conclusion alot.
We, as in people, may not need wolves. But there are things bigger than us to worry about.
Again, the reason they were killed before, was to make money. They turned this region into an elk farm to cator to the hunting community. But thats just a theory like everything else.
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Every wild animal carries parasites. But without natural predators, ungulates parasites build up too much.
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Every wild animal carries parasites. But without natural predators, ungulates parasites build up too much.
:tinfoil:
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Humanmanure, dude you just dont get it, sportsman dont spend money just so they can kill, being succesful in the field is just the bonus you recieve for doing things right during the season, i havent killed a deer or elk for the last 3 seasons, by CHOICE, i had my chances but did not take them, and will continue to do so until the time is right, and i promise you that there are alot of other SPORTSMAN that do the same as i do.... give me a place thats loaded with wolves and i will give them the proper diet they truly need. if you havent paid attention to neiboring states and the hell they are going through do to wolves then ya got a little more research to do. i wish you would fess up and tell everyone your true nature, why the hell you on a huntn site, i will be honest, your wolf loven attitude is seriously getting real irritating, and like i said before, its people like you that cause us to lose more and more rights, one day you will wake the hell up and wonder where all your rights went and then you will bitch about it ya friggin turn coat, you say your a hunter, i call B.S. you wouldnt know the first thing about being a sportsman if it bit you in arse, and i could tell when you stated that sportsman spend money so they are the ones that get to kill the animals, if you were a sportsman then you would have a clue, which i am sorry to say, but ya DONT... :hello:
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My problem is with the phrase 'care about the animals'. Because to some, it's a better way of saying you want to be the only ones killing them.
Pile of Humanmanure, You again referred to hunters as you, this is not the first time you have done this. Your true colors are starting to show, and they are not camo.
You should delete all your wolf posts go to the intro page and start over. Why don't you share a story of a hunt or a fishing trip or maybe a picture of a bow or a rifle or a bb gun, Something to get yourself some credit as even maybe a wannabe sportsman or woman.
Or go out by your elk trail where you camped once, dig a huge hole, throw yourself in it, and compost, thats what manure does best
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Hey guy's, I think Humanturd is a paid plant to disrupt and stir up this site. I agree with Jackmaster. I don't think Humanturd even has a squirt gun. The only fishing he does is at Skippers. He wears wool socks with his sandals and goes to the Rainbow festival. :dunno: That goes with his rainbow sticker on his french fry oil powerd volkswagen.
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My problem is with the phrase 'care about the animals'. Because to some, it's a better way of saying you want to be the only ones killing them. Not saying thats the case, but I see people coming to that conclusion alot.
We, as in people, may not need wolves. But there are things bigger than us to worry about.
Again, the reason they were killed before, was to make money. They turned this region into an elk farm to cator to the hunting community. But thats just a theory like everything else.
Nice quote from someone who apparently has so many logical facts supporting your statements... That is the problem with most antis, they only look at it that way. You probably have zero clue where the meat you eat and feed your family with comes from. The same type of irrational activist that fights slaughter house methods but take your kids through the drive threw at McDonalds for cheeseburger happy meals. Or you could be a total vegan extremist who believes all animals were put here to frolic while you sustain off of soy beans and lettuce.
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Hey guy's, I think Humanturd is a paid plant to disrupt and stir up this site. I agree with Jackmaster. I don't think Humanturd even has a squirt gun. The only fishing he does is at Skippers. He wears wool socks with his sandals and goes to the Rainbow festival. :dunno: That goes with his rainbow sticker on his french fry oil powerd volkswagen.
truer words have never been spoken :tup:
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Totally agree with you.. Terrable to have any wolf around. If people have a love for them they need to pay for it. Just like the Discovery pass. Put the wolves in one location and charge the wolf lovers $1,000 per car pass to make up for the void the wolf does to the ecosystem.
Concerned hunters give Millions of dollars a year to enhance wildlife habitat.
Wolves give ZERO dollars a year for wildlife habitat.
All wolves do is carry very dangerous parasites that can be transferred to children and kill for fun
Do they wolves have a Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation that spends millions a year for elk habitat?
hunters do
case closed
My problem is with the phrase 'care about the animals'. Because to some, it's a better way of saying you want to be the only ones killing them. Not saying thats the case, but I see people coming to that conclusion alot.
We, as in people, may not need wolves. But there are things bigger than us to worry about.
Again, the reason they were killed before, was to make money. They turned this region into an elk farm to cator to the hunting community. But thats just a theory like everything else.
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My problem is with the phrase 'care about the animals'. Because to some, it's a better way of saying you want to be the only ones killing them. Not saying thats the case, but I see people coming to that conclusion alot.
We, as in people, may not need wolves. But there are things bigger than us to worry about.
Again, the reason they were killed before, was to make money. They turned this region into an elk farm to cator to the hunting community. But thats just a theory like everything else.
Nice quote from someone who apparently has so many logical facts supporting your statements... That is the problem with most antis, they only look at it that way. You probably have zero clue where the meat you eat and feed your family with comes from. The same type of irrational activist that fights slaughter house methods but take your kids through the drive threw at McDonalds for cheeseburger happy meals. Or you could be a total vegan extremist who believes all animals were put here to frolic while you sustain off of soy beans and lettuce.
Would that cause over grazing, then we would have to bring in wolves to thin the vegans down right. Or atleast that's what I am understanding.
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Humanmanure, dude you just dont get it, sportsman dont spend money just so they can kill, being succesful in the field is just the bonus you recieve for doing things right during the season, i havent killed a deer or elk for the last 3 seasons, by CHOICE, i had my chances but did not take them, and will continue to do so until the time is right, and i promise you that there are alot of other SPORTSMAN that do the same as i do.... give me a place thats loaded with wolves and i will give them the proper diet they truly need. if you havent paid attention to neiboring states and the hell they are going through do to wolves then ya got a little more research to do. i wish you would fess up and tell everyone your true nature, why the hell you on a huntn site, i will be honest, your wolf loven attitude is seriously getting real irritating, and like i said before, its people like you that cause us to lose more and more rights, one day you will wake the hell up and wonder where all your rights went and then you will bitch about it ya friggin turn coat, you say your a hunter, i call B.S. you wouldnt know the first thing about being a sportsman if it bit you in arse, and i could tell when you stated that sportsman spend money so they are the ones that get to kill the animals, if you were a sportsman then you would have a clue, which i am sorry to say, but ya DONT... :hello:
Your right, I'm not a sportsman. Thats not something I want to be. I picked up hunting not for sport, but for skill.
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Humanmanure, dude you just dont get it, sportsman dont spend money just so they can kill, being succesful in the field is just the bonus you recieve for doing things right during the season, i havent killed a deer or elk for the last 3 seasons, by CHOICE, i had my chances but did not take them, and will continue to do so until the time is right, and i promise you that there are alot of other SPORTSMAN that do the same as i do.... give me a place thats loaded with wolves and i will give them the proper diet they truly need. if you havent paid attention to neiboring states and the hell they are going through do to wolves then ya got a little more research to do. i wish you would fess up and tell everyone your true nature, why the hell you on a huntn site, i will be honest, your wolf loven attitude is seriously getting real irritating, and like i said before, its people like you that cause us to lose more and more rights, one day you will wake the hell up and wonder where all your rights went and then you will bitch about it ya friggin turn coat, you say your a hunter, i call B.S. you wouldnt know the first thing about being a sportsman if it bit you in arse, and i could tell when you stated that sportsman spend money so they are the ones that get to kill the animals, if you were a sportsman then you would have a clue, which i am sorry to say, but ya DONT... :hello:
Your right, I'm not a sportsman. Thats not something I want to be. I picked up hunting not for sport, but for skill.
:dunno: :chuckle: :dunno: :chuckle: :dunno: dude... are you high?? lol :chuckle:
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I leave drugs to hippies.
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Vegans are the Hezbollah of vegetarians. Once they become introduced into human habitat, poisoning is the only sure control method. Their vegetables need to be sprayed in the field with pink slime. Apparently, there's an overabundance of that stuff right now, so it should ge good to go. :tup:
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humanturd, dude that dont even make sense, you picked up hunting for skill, ya gotta help me understand that one dude, i will tell you why i hunt, because i love being in the hills and seing animals, or the thought of maybe seeing the buck of a lifetime, or fishn some creek way the heck and gone from others, the smell of the mountains, the sunsets especially when it reflects off of mt rainier, i could go on forever, as for you i have no clue what you stand for and i think i dont wanna know because i know you stand for everything that goes against sportsman.... :tup:
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also speaking of skills, one of his posts said that he has't shot anything yet, but he missed a grouse with a bow once.... yep... skill :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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He picked up hunting to sound more legit for his pro wolf opinions. In his head he believes it sounds better when he can stand in front of the commission and say "I am a hunter and I support more wolves". :dunno: Who's gonna fact check him? Then the anti huters can say "see even some hunters agree with us". :bash: :bash:
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So, back to the original thread, was there any follow-up on this? Did anyone kill the "hybrids" responsible for this?
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also speaking of skills, one of his posts said that he has't shot anything yet, but he missed a grouse with a bow once.... yep... skill :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Sounds more like Napolean Dynamite to me. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: You wanna use some of my skills Pedro? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
humanturd, dude that dont even make sense, you picked up hunting for skill, ya gotta help me understand that one dude, i will tell you why i hunt, because i love being in the hills and seing animals, or the thought of maybe seeing the buck of a lifetime, or fishn some creek way the heck and gone from others, the smell of the mountains, the sunsets especially when it reflects off of mt rainier, i could go on forever, as for you i have no clue what you stand for and i think i dont wanna know because i know you stand for everything that goes against sportsman.... :tup:
:yeah: This is what it's all about. The love for the outdoors.
He picked up hunting to sound more legit for his pro wolf opinions. In his head he believes it sounds better when he can stand in front of the commission and say "I am a hunter and I support more wolves". :dunno: Who's gonna fact check him? Then the anti huters can say "see even some hunters agree with us". :bash: :bash:
:yeah: X's 2 This is what I believe he is "trying" to accomplish. Come here and try and learn something and then go back and say I'm a hunter I'm accepted and apart of the Hunt-WA forum membership and this is what we talk about. He's a joke plain and simple.
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Survival skills, is what I meant by that. Its good to be able to survive if you are in certain situations. It takes time to get good at it.
As far as this 'picking it up so that i can say...", plausable, funny even. But not true.
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sportsman spend money so they are the ones that get to kill the animals.
Dude, you just proved that conclusion I mentioned to be true. That statement screams selfishness.
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How much did your tags and license cost last year you hunted and what year was that??? Along with what tags and license you purchased??? What special permit apps as well???? :chuckle: What was your season with what set up???
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sportsman spend money so they are the ones that get to kill the animals.
Dude, you just proved that conclusion I mentioned to be true. That statement screams selfishness.
I'm all for opinions, but this a prime example of taking something out of context. Ain't no better than any press. Worse so that copy and paste is an option. If a logical person read that entire statement... well nevermind, I'm not speaking to a logical individual if you pulled that out of this entire thread.
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Its what everyones been doing to my words the whole time. Takes two to tango, and I can dance all night, lady.
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How much did your tags and license cost last year you hunted and what year was that??? Along with what tags and license you purchased??? What special permit apps as well???? :chuckle: What was your season with what set up???
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How much did your tags and license cost last year you hunted and what year was that??? Along with what tags and license you purchased??? What special permit apps as well???? :chuckle: What was your season with what set up???
I think my tags were alittle over $100 last year. I forget how much I spent getting my license, but I took a weeks course over in Enumclaw at some guys church. I bought Bear, Elk, Deer, Cougar and small game tags. I got no kills those seasons last year. Sighted a doe and a bear, but couldn't get a clean shot on the bear while the doe wasn't in season yet. Almost took a shot on a coyote, but it turned out to be a recent mother and let it go. Some wouldn't agree with that, but whatev's. We've all got our ethics. I used a Savage 30-06 model 110.
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Its what everyones been doing to my words the whole time. Takes two to tango, and I can dance all night, lady.
But Mom, he did it too!!! Quit it.
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How much did your tags and license cost last year you hunted and what year was that??? Along with what tags and license you purchased??? What special permit apps as well???? :chuckle: What was your season with what set up???
I think my tags were alittle over $100 last year. I forget how much I spent getting my license, but I took a weeks course over in Enumclaw at some guys church. I bought Bear, Elk, Deer, Cougar and small game tags. I got no kills those seasons last year. Sighted a doe and a bear, but couldn't get a clean shot on the bear while the doe wasn't in season yet. Almost took a shot on a coyote, but it turned out to be a recent mother and let it go. Some wouldn't agree with that, but whatev's. We've all got our ethics. I used a Savage 30-06 model 110.
Where were you hunting??? GMU wise????
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In and around the area of 46.839998, -122.366803. There's a small mountain we trekked up and all over/around.
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Never heard of that unit? Must be a one for special people.
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I didn't know what GMU meant, so I just gave a global position address.
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I didn't know what GMU meant, so I just gave a global position address.
My point exactly!!!!! LIAR!!!!! :chuckle:
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And if you were hunting anywhere but a few units in WA with you 30 06 there is no doe season open without a special permit.... :bdid: :chuckle:
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Good thing i didn't take the shot then, huh?
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So since you hunted and all this year you have to to submit a hunter report. And it ask you what gmu's you hunted in and how many days. So did you just typed in a bunch of random numbers since you dont know what a gmu is ?
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How do you hunt without knowing what gmu means? :chuckle:
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Also. What were you planning to hunt for with your smallgame tag?
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So since you hunted and all this year you have to to submit a hunter report. And it ask you what gmu's you hunted in and how many days. So did you just typed in a bunch of random numbers since you dont know what a gmu is ?
Oh! Now I get what your talking about. Hahaha! I submitted by phone, but don't remember what unit it was. My other hunter friends who were with me told me what to say because I was on my last day to submit and had only a few minutes to get back to work. So I rushed the report and that was it. I honestly don't remember what the unit was.
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Also. What were you planning to hunt for with your smallgame tag?
To be honest, I did not know small game was included with the Elk tag(or so I was told). But you know, Grouse, mostly.
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Also. What were you planning to hunt for with your smallgame tag?
To be honest, I did not know small game was included with the Elk tag(or so I was told). But you know, Grouse, mostly.
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I could be misquoting someone, but I remember being told that i didn't need to buy the small game tag. Was probably talking about coyotes tough, because thats what i thought they were catagorized under.
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Also. What were you planning to hunt for with your smallgame tag?
To be honest, I did not know small game was included with the Elk tag(or so I was told). But you know, Grouse, mostly.
hmmmmm....I just got here, but something doesn't add up with this story.... :chuckle:
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Coyotes were categorized under small game, and you needed a small game license to hunt grouse?
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Well, I'm new to hunting. I did quite understand all the rules/regulations/ect when i started last season.
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Hahaha So you just lied on your hunter report like you lie on here?
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Coyotes were categorized under small game, and you needed a small game license to hunt grouse?
To be honest, I bought small game just to cover my bases. Like I said, I didn't quite understand it all and just bought the tags and went home to get ready for the season. Alot of it still confuses me, actually.
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Hahaha So you just lied on your hunter report like you lie on here?
No. I asked my friends what unit we hunted and then submitted it.
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Don't you think you better do a bit of reasearch before you run out into the woods to shoot something?
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Well, I had friends helping me out. I knew what to not shoot before heading out and what to do in certain situations. I asked alot of questions. But the official/paperwork side of modern hunting is a bit daunting.
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Hahaha So you just lied on your hunter report like you lie on here?
No. I asked my friends what unit we hunted and then submitted it.
Must be some nice friends you have.
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They are like brothers to me, yes. They are actually primarily longbow hunters, but when i mentioned wanting to take up hunting, they went back to modern firearm so that I wouldn't be on my own.
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Don't you think you better do a bit of reasearch before you run out into the woods to shoot something?
Yeah, I mean good Lord. You could have accidentally shot a wolf.... :dunno:
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Don't you think you better do a bit of reasearch before you run out into the woods to shoot something?
Yeah, I mean good Lord. You could have accidentally shot a wolf.... :dunno:
:yike: :yeah: :yike: :chuckle:
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I see you guys got your answer as well.... :chuckle: What's a GMU??? Too funny.... :chuckle: :tree1: :pee:
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Hahaha, that was pretty dumb. Funny, but dumb.
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umm humanure you find out what a gmu is ? or are your brothers still giving you the right coordinates??
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Hahaha, that was pretty dumb. Funny, but dumb.
And there is nothing more honest than that..... :tup:
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umm humanure you find out what a gmu is ? or are your brothers still giving you the right coordinates??
Do you really want it that bad? Look up the coordinates I gave and find out for your own self. I'm not waking my friends up at this hour just to answer that question, and I'm not getting out the reg book to look it up either. get it yourself.
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Well if you lied to the wdfw you should do the right thing and report back the correct information. It's ok if you dont know your gmu. I understand not most tree huggers do. Get a life and if your gunna start hunting learn your gmu's you will need them.
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I didn't lie. I gave the right answer. I just had to have someone give it to me because the book/graph provided confused me.
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Ok well next time you should read the book better.... alot better
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But you write as though you are pretty intelligent.... Other then your wolf lover tactics.... Took college classes I think you mentioned.... I can read the regs pretty well and barely graduated highschool..... :dunno: I guess you do the math....
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I only have my GED. All other studying was on my own time.
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I only have my GED. All other studying was on my own time.
But yet post's ago you were working with scientist or some *censored* on a mountain..... :o :chuckle: Best ged in the state!!!
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OK sorry that explains it GED. Get er done!! Sorry thats my girlfriend lol and yes shes smarter than you humanure. Haha she remembers her first year of college!! But she went to a real college.
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Volunteer work. I learn under alot of people through hours and hours of volunteering.
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umm humanure you find out what a gmu is ? or are your brothers still giving you the right coordinates??
My brothers tried to take me snipe hunting once. I didn't fall for it. :chuckle: :chuckle:
On the other hand, I didn't walk into a bar full of hunters and try to "teach" them all about wolves after the first time I went hunting either (they didn't have internet forums back then-so I guess the closest thing here would be walking into TJ's Tavern in Kettle Falls about an hour after sunset on the 15th of October and trying to give the occupants there the benefit of my vast outdoors knowledge... :chuckle: )
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To be honest, I did not know small game was included with the Elk tag(or so I was told). But you know, Grouse, mostly.
OK,.. SO HERE YOU SAY THAT YOU ONLY GOT AN ELK TAG BECAUSE YOU FIGURED AN ELK LICENCE COVERS GROUSE.. AND THATS RIGHT..
I could be misquoting someone, but I remember being told that i didn't need to buy the small game tag. Was probably talking about coyotes tough, because thats what i thought they were catagorized under.
AND HERE AGAIN YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T BUY A SMALL GAME TAG,... OR RATHER LICENCE. :chuckle:
BUT...
To be honest, I bought small game just to cover my bases. Like I said, I didn't quite understand it all and just bought the tags and went home to get ready for the season. Alot of it still confuses me, actually.
SO,.. DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT BUY A SMALL GAME LICENCE.... YES ITS LICENCE.. NOT TAG. :chuckle: :dunno:
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sportsman spend money so they are the ones that get to kill the animals.
Dude, you just proved that conclusion I mentioned to be true. That statement screams selfishness.
really dude, thats what you got out of my post, wow humanexcrement ya might want to go back and read it again. on another note its good to see that your just some dumb kid that got his outdoor education off of channel 9. i doubt you have evr really been huntn, and the part about your buddies being long bow hunters, and goin back to modern to help your sorry tree huggin ass out well thats probably B.S to. did you ever even take hunter ed? i am thinkn ya didnt because when my 8 year old son took hunter ed his knowledge and SKILL, was far above where your at little girl, oh and the best part where you talk about workn on your skill but you ment to say your survival skills in case ya got into a bad situation, well i would pay money to see how that worked out for ya, aint no mcdonalds in the mountains little lady, tell ya what, maybe you should leave the huntn to the people that actually have a clue. and you should stick to whatever it is you really do
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To be honest, I did not know small game was included with the Elk tag(or so I was told). But you know, Grouse, mostly.
OK,.. SO HERE YOU SAY THAT YOU ONLY GOT AN ELK TAG BECAUSE YOU FIGURED AN ELK LICENCE COVERS GROUSE.. AND THATS RIGHT..
I could be misquoting someone, but I remember being told that i didn't need to buy the small game tag. Was probably talking about coyotes tough, because thats what i thought they were catagorized under.
AND HERE AGAIN YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T BUY A SMALL GAME TAG,... OR RATHER LICENCE. :chuckle:
BUT...
To be honest, I bought small game just to cover my bases. Like I said, I didn't quite understand it all and just bought the tags and went home to get ready for the season. Alot of it still confuses me, actually.
SO,.. DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT BUY A SMALL GAME LICENCE.... YES ITS LICENCE.. NOT TAG. :chuckle: :dunno:
:chuckle: :chuckle: "To be honest..." Thats one way to start of a line of BS. Pile of Humancrap you talk so much sh!t you can't even keep your stories straight. Still no photos of anything hunting related, or did you loose your camera while you were out "TREKING"?
:violent1: :liar: :mor: :stup:
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Yes I bought small game.
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On top of all this bs of not knowing the rules and regs, or even what gmu you was hunting in, you broke one of the biggest unwritten rules of hunting and gave out gps coordinates to your buddies hunting hole on a open forum. But... since you only seen one doe and a coyote, I feel nobody here is going to jump on it, your friends secrets are safe with the rest of us 10,000 HW members. :tup:
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On top of all this bs of not knowing the rules and regs, or even what gmu you was hunting in, you broke one of the biggest unwritten rules of hunting and gave out gps coordinates to your buddies hunting hole on a open forum. But... since you only seen one doe and a coyote, I feel nobody here is going to jump on it, your friends secrets are safe with the rest of us 10,000 HW members. :tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle: research that humanturd
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Yeah well, if all I'm going to get is false sense of undeserved entitlement, I bore of this(finally) and am quite done here. I've had some good, fun and at times enlightening conversations here, but at this point we are just going in circles, so why waste eachother's time further?
Love, peace and chicken grease!
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WTH This is hilarious! Humanure is way out there and full of chit. He can't keep any of his stories straight. I wonder how old he is?? At times it looks like he is educated and other times, he might be 8. lol Got to admit though he is thick skinned lol. WHAT A CLOWN/TROLL. I also would like to know what GMU he hunts so I can be two the other direction.
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Yeah well, if all I'm going to get is false sense of undeserved entitlement, I bore of this(finally) and am quite done here. I've had some good, fun and at times enlightening conversations here, but at this point we are just going in circles, so why waste eachother's time further?
Love, peace and chicken grease!
Good call. Report back to your "group" and tell them no one was fooled...
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Surprised you stuck around this long! :) Got all the intel you need to report back to the bunnies. Good luck.
MS
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Yes I bought small game.
Well let's see some small game pics then serial liar :chuckle:
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Damn I missed a day!!! Still feel bad for those dogs....