Post by: DoubleJ on March 25, 2012, 05:44:19 PM
Initial Impression: Weird looking. Like a couple of claws. I guess that's the point. Reason I got this is because, with my bum shoulder, I really needed a fall away rest because of the slight tremor I'm prone to when shooting and the possibility I might go to 4 fletches. But I REALLY love my Hostage containment rest and the ability for it to hold a knocked arrow while all of my fingers are busy holding the bow. This seemed to be a "best of both worlds" rest.
Installation: A bit of work since I don't have a bow press. I used the needle method mentioned in a lot of places around the web and got it mounted just fine. They claim on the installation instructions that the Revolution comes out of the box tuned to most bows and this was almost the case with my AR-34. 2 minor adjustments, 1 tick up and 1 tick left, and it was right on.
One thing I would suggest is to not use the felt they include in the kit, instead super glue your own strip of mole skin to the claws. The sticky on the felt is not good and the felt is frail. It also comes with a pad that sticks onto the shelf to prevent "arrow clank" 1. I found that my fletches hit the pad. 2. I found that I didn't even need the pad since the containment claws held the arrow a good 1/2" above the shelf anyway.
Use: In a word, Flawless. Functions just like the video showed. The first couple of arrows I could hear the fletches hitting and I thought "Crap. This thing doesn't work" until my 10 year old pointed out that they may be hitting the pad as I mentioned earlier. I removed that and bingo. No more hitting. I would like it to hold the arrow just a smidge tighter but, this isn't that important since it holds the arrow well enough. My best ever 3 arrow field point group at 20 yards was 2.3". I said WAS. After about a half an hour tuning session, I was withing 3/4" at 20 yards over and over and over. Moved back to 30 yards and was still mostly within 3/4 to 1". Towards the end I was getting tired and the groups went out to 2" but, still heads and tails above anything I ever shot with the Hostage.
This proved to me exactly how much the Hostage was affecting arrow flight. In the .00234 seconds or whatever, from the time I pulled the release trigger until the arrow cleared the Hostage, I moved just so much to affect the arrow flight.
Overall: 4.75 stars out of 5. I didn't like the felt and shelf pad they put in with it and will replace those with my own mole skin and will nix the pad all together. I have to say that this is probably my favorite archery purchase so far. IMO, the value of this rest far exceeds the $45 NIB I paid for it. If I stay with a bow and don't switch to a crossbow in the coming years, this rest will be on every bow I ever own, until something better comes along anyway ;)
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 25, 2012, 10:07:18 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 25, 2012, 10:21:38 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 25, 2012, 10:22:27 PM
Post by: TommyH on March 27, 2012, 09:09:22 AM
Post by: lokidog on March 27, 2012, 09:50:57 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 27, 2012, 10:39:39 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 27, 2012, 01:46:12 PM
Anybody that's looked closely at these, is it worth the extra money for the micro adjust?
I got the standard model. Can't speak for the other
Post by: DoubleJ on March 27, 2012, 01:47:50 PM
It will probably be affected by snow and freezing rain as much as any drop away maybey less cause it looks like polycarbon synthetic material rather than metal that most drop aways are. I was wondering if it would help with any twitch I have when shooting I missed a big buck last year with a hostage rest I was settled in fine and though I would connect but missed about 3 inches under him I asks on here and the first response seemed golden I was trying to see my arrow right as I shot and the full containment hostage would affect my arrow by about three inches at fourth yards. I'm getting one of these ASAP ! Thanks for the writer up awesome job!
The holder claws and arms are not metal. As far as the gear inside that you would have to worry about, I'm not sure. I didn't tear mine apart. I have that same twitch and can't get rid of it. Putting this on has made a huge difference over the Hostage I had
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 27, 2012, 02:04:41 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 27, 2012, 02:30:16 PM
I put my gear threw a lot each year. I will do a pre and post season write up on it.
Post by: MuleySniper on March 27, 2012, 02:49:12 PM
MS
Post by: DoubleJ on March 27, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
I have the micro. I have not got my bow setup yet. I will always go with one with the marks. It makes it easy to check the rest and make sure it is still in the right place. Plus if you over adjust its easy to find the postion you moved it from.
I put my gear threw a lot each year. I will do a pre and post season write up on it.
Is the micro the one with the movement measurement lines? That's the one I have. Thought that was the regular. I paid $45 for it from some store online
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 27, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
Post by: lokidog on March 27, 2012, 07:21:25 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 27, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
Post by: lokidog on March 27, 2012, 10:20:49 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 27, 2012, 10:44:39 PM
Post by: xsf1 on March 28, 2012, 10:01:10 AM
I love this rest, and the price is good
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 28, 2012, 10:13:47 AM
I think the micro probably has click adjustment screws rather than just loosen and push types. Cabelas has them on sale right now for 49.99 and free shipping over $49 purchase.
I think this is correct. :yeah: can't wait to get one installed
Post by: DoubleJ on March 28, 2012, 11:09:30 AM
I have the same one, I love it, te only problem is that if you put your arrow in and you're not carefull it can fall over to the side of the rest and get stuck whent you draw. yyou have to let off and re set your arrow. Never had a problem with it in the field last year just in target practice.
I love this rest, and the price is good
I ain't the smartest man in the world but, I don't see how this is even possible.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 28, 2012, 11:32:29 AM
Post by: xsf1 on March 28, 2012, 11:34:36 AM
I have the same one, I love it, te only problem is that if you put your arrow in and you're not carefull it can fall over to the side of the rest and get stuck whent you draw. yyou have to let off and re set your arrow. Never had a problem with it in the field last year just in target practice.
I love this rest, and the price is good
I ain't the smartest man in the world but, I don't see how this is even possible.
when you set the arrow down and begin to draw back the whole rest starts turn to lock the arrow in, at this point the arrow can move over to the right (i'm right handed) and get caught in the rest while its turning. you can combat this by making a groove out to moleskin to help keep the arrow steady. trust me its a problem, but its a very small problem and does not make me want to change.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 28, 2012, 11:42:43 AM
I have the same one, I love it, te only problem is that if you put your arrow in and you're not carefull it can fall over to the side of the rest and get stuck whent you draw. yyou have to let off and re set your arrow. Never had a problem with it in the field last year just in target practice.
I love this rest, and the price is good
I ain't the smartest man in the world but, I don't see how this is even possible.
when you set the arrow down and begin to draw back the whole rest starts turn to lock the arrow in, at this point the arrow can move over to the right (i'm right handed) and get caught in the rest while its turning. you can combat this by making a groove out to moleskin to help keep the arrow steady. trust me its a problem, but its a very small problem and does not make me want to change.
That is you problem right there. You are supposed to lock the rest into shooting postion before you draw back. Drop your arrow in and lock the rest into the fire postion with the jaws closed before you even try to draw back. That is the way the rest was made to shoot. If you are trying to drop the arrow on the shelf then draw and catch the arrow you will have problems.
Post by: xsf1 on March 28, 2012, 11:49:54 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 28, 2012, 11:53:15 AM
Since I hunt with one nocked, I need the containment so I lock the arrow in before drawing back so I can move with one nocked. As you read in the review, my fletches kept hitting the pad so I 86'd that. I just figured the pad was to stop the arrow from clanking on the shelf.
Post by: xsf1 on March 28, 2012, 11:59:49 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 28, 2012, 12:07:17 PM
You hunt with an arrow nocked? that seems dangerous, I'm afraid of falling on it. I figure its a lot safer to just nock when I start getting close to an animal or I'm in stalking mode. but thats just me.
There's benifits to both approaches. There's a whole thread about it somewhere around here
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 28, 2012, 12:26:07 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 01, 2012, 08:40:46 PM
Don't waste your money on the micro one, plenty easy to make fine adjustments without the micro feature. Cabaelas has these on sale for $49.99 with free shipping right now.
Post by: DoubleJ on April 01, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
Got mine yesterday. Put it on this morning... OMG, this thing is great! Easy to mount and set up. I used a clamp rather than serving it in, for now anyways.
Don't waste your money on the micro one, plenty easy to make fine adjustments without the micro feature. Cabaelas has these on sale for $49.99 with free shipping right now.
:tup:
Didn't think I could be the only one who liked it
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 01, 2012, 09:06:23 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 01, 2012, 09:35:20 PM
I have the same one, I love it, te only problem is that if you put your arrow in and you're not carefull it can fall over to the side of the rest and get stuck whent you draw. yyou have to let off and re set your arrow. Never had a problem with it in the field last year just in target practice.
I love this rest, and the price is good
I ain't the smartest man in the world but, I don't see how this is even possible.
when you set the arrow down and begin to draw back the whole rest starts turn to lock the arrow in, at this point the arrow can move over to the right (i'm right handed) and get caught in the rest while its turning. you can combat this by making a groove out to moleskin to help keep the arrow steady. trust me its a problem, but its a very small problem and does not make me want to change.
That is you problem right there. You are supposed to lock the rest into shooting postion before you draw back. Drop your arrow in and lock the rest into the fire postion with the jaws closed before you even try to draw back. That is the way the rest was made to shoot. If you are trying to drop the arrow on the shelf then draw and catch the arrow you will have problems.
I put the little arrow saddle on my riser and the rest was able to function properly either preset or from a down position. The only problem I had was that I put the saddle on before I had adjusted the side to side so it doesn't quite line up with the low spot in the rest. It still works though. I like that you can cock it with either hand.
One other thing is that if you have a bow where the string is closer to the riser than my Invasion, you might have fletch interference. With 3" vanes my vane comes to the back edge of the rear piece. With 4" the vane goes under the rear capture piece but does not seem to cause a problem.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 01, 2012, 09:41:19 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 01, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
The felt seemed decent to me. I will be saving the backing from the felt I used to make some moleskin ones though.
Post by: DoubleJ on April 01, 2012, 10:25:05 PM
Yeah on the shorter brace heights I was wondering if there would be any issues with the fletching before drawing. I will play with mine once I get it setup. Thanks for the info and the thoughts. I will be sure to pass the findings along to the tech guys.
If they have any demo's on the next design run, I'd be happy to test them :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 01, 2012, 10:30:58 PM
Doublej I think this is there 2nd runs that they are selling. They put some out early for people to test in the field, like with most products. There was some changes and they tweaked a few things and then released the rests we are shooting today. I will keep you in mind if I have anything spare to test out :tup:
Post by: DoubleJ on April 01, 2012, 10:43:44 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 01, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
SORRY had to do it :chuckle:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=94466.0
Post by: DoubleJ on April 02, 2012, 07:21:22 AM
I will let you test anything extra I have, BUT!!! not broadheads!!!! :chuckle: BBBBBBBUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNNN!!!
SORRY had to do it :chuckle:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=94466.0
Why not? I think I'd be the best person you could have to testify to the cutting ability of a broadhead :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 02, 2012, 12:15:10 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 12, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 12, 2012, 09:13:42 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 12, 2012, 09:28:20 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 12, 2012, 09:37:36 PM
I shoot a 29 1/2 inch arrow. I've been shooting cock up but have rotated it so cock fletch is more out now. The only other change is that the string got served in, so I was going to loosen the screw on the rest, draw, let down, and then pull 1/4 inch like the instructions said. Maybe the timing is off a bit on the release?
I think that would be a great idea. I think the timing might be off a little. I had to get mine cranked down a little bit more then I even thought to really get ti to snap out of the way quick. I had it running a little slow at first but got it fixed by pulling a little more string threw. I would also stick with cock vane out. it will give it even more clearance that way.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 02, 2012, 09:23:35 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 02, 2012, 10:48:21 AM
Post by: bloodhound on May 05, 2012, 07:47:35 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 06, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on May 09, 2012, 10:33:36 AM
I just got mine back from the shop. New string peep and trophy ridge drop away. Seems great I need to adjust it up and get it dialed in. I saw a video of a guy spraying foot powder on the riser to check for the fletching hitting any where Im gonna try this and I'll post the results
Got results yet?
Post by: bloodhound on May 09, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 09, 2012, 09:18:45 PM
Post by: bloodhound on May 09, 2012, 10:35:31 PM
For sure on that. Hands down it is the fastest drop away that I have ever tuned!!!
spin away? :dunno:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 09, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 10, 2012, 10:12:40 AM
Post by: bloodhound on May 10, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Post by: lokidog on May 16, 2012, 04:49:11 PM
www.bowhunterssupplystore.com
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 16, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
Post by: bloodhound on May 16, 2012, 07:17:06 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:49:42 PM
I would LOVE to see someone consistently shoot robin hoods at 70 with no pin. Just sayin...
He holds high with his 60 pin. He wasn't sayn no pins at all lol.
Post by: bloodhound on May 17, 2012, 08:21:36 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 17, 2012, 10:20:10 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 20, 2012, 04:12:56 PM
Post by: bloodhound on May 20, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
Post by: lokidog on May 20, 2012, 05:56:54 PM
It's hitting the drop away?!?!?!! How do I tune it or can I? I thought it was hitting the thicker pad i put on it. I glued a new pad on it real good and it still hits ... sounds brutal! How do I tune the drop away?
Try tightening your string up just a touch. Mine was doing the same thing, then, it wasn't. If you are served in, you can loosen the screw on the rest and pull the string through just a touch.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 20, 2012, 07:23:07 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on May 26, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
This is a late reply. Time in the field will be a truer test, however I bought one of these for my bow last fall. During the winter I threw it in the snow when I walked down to retrieve my arrows. It was not super cold out but I buried it for a few minutes. I picked up the bow, shook out the excess snow and it shot fine. I see the potential for freezing up in really harsh conditions.
It performs as advertised IMO. And I did some moving about with the arrow captured and it retained it well.
I agree with the use of mole skin to substitute for the factory felt.
Cheers
Post by: DoubleJ on June 04, 2012, 07:42:50 PM
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on June 04, 2012, 08:28:17 PM
Post by: lokidog on June 04, 2012, 08:50:50 PM
QAD!!
I have one I'll sell ya! Even give you a discount off new price. This rest has the QAD beat for containment and actually gets out of the way of my arrows.
BTW, this thread wasn't a "what do you like best" one.... :dunno:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 12, 2012, 05:52:10 PM
Post by: buckfvr on June 12, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
true i just pin stack. i practice it a lot. up to 100 yards.
Yep....and we were all born yesterday.
Post by: bloodhound on June 12, 2012, 10:17:53 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 12, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
true i just pin stack. i practice it a lot. up to 100 yards.
Yep....and we were all born yesterday.
i thought it was up to 200 yards now :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bloodhound on June 12, 2012, 10:31:09 PM
Post by: bloodhound on June 12, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on June 27, 2012, 08:01:01 PM
MS
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
Post by: bloodhound on June 27, 2012, 08:29:43 PM
Post by: TommyH on June 28, 2012, 07:19:27 AM
pin stacking is not that hard. especially from having a 60 pin to stacking for a 70 yard shot. i dropped my 20 pin this year and im going 30-70. and i will be able to shoot 5 out of 6 in a playing card at 70 before the end of the summer. this i promise. and if people want proof ill get it on film!
O we want proof!!! :chuckle: Id like to see that, might motivate me to be able to do it as well! :tup:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 28, 2012, 07:47:47 AM
all i can say is im a 1000 arrows deep and still no problems :tup:
Same here! Probably only 750 arrows but no problems after I got it tuned. 76 yards and I'm hitting a 12" x 8" consistently and 30 meters I can stick a quarter. 2" 4 vane Tuned bh fly better than my other 4" 3 vane feild points ever have. Throw the straight 4" fletching in the trash!
Post by: bloodhound on June 28, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
pin stacking is not that hard. especially from having a 60 pin to stacking for a 70 yard shot. i dropped my 20 pin this year and im going 30-70. and i will be able to shoot 5 out of 6 in a playing card at 70 before the end of the summer. this i promise. and if people want proof ill get it on film!
O we want proof!!! :chuckle: Id like to see that, might motivate me to be able to do it as well! :tup:
right now im sitting at about a 4-6 inch group at 70 but ill get there
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 28, 2012, 08:12:56 PM
Post by: TommyH on July 17, 2012, 08:31:30 AM
pin stacking is not that hard. especially from having a 60 pin to stacking for a 70 yard shot. i dropped my 20 pin this year and im going 30-70. and i will be able to shoot 5 out of 6 in a playing card at 70 before the end of the summer. this i promise. and if people want proof ill get it on film!
O we want proof!!! :chuckle: Id like to see that, might motivate me to be able to do it as well! :tup:
right now im sitting at about a 4-6 inch group at 70 but ill get there
:tup: im slacking, have not shot more than 50 yards this summer :'(
Post by: MuleySniper on July 17, 2012, 08:48:14 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 17, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 17, 2012, 11:40:47 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on July 17, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
MS
Post by: lokidog on July 17, 2012, 09:19:20 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 12, 2020, 09:46:52 PM
Are you guys still liking your Revolutions? Mine started not catching when I set it, even dropped randomly a time or two. But, I still like it enough I bought another one. I ended up not getting around to mounting the new one last winter and the old one worked fine on the deer I got.