Post by: MichaelJ on April 05, 2012, 11:07:53 AM
http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/Environmentalists-accuse-Idaho-trapper-of-animal-cruelty-146143175.html
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 05, 2012, 11:14:58 AM
Post by: stillhunter on April 05, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Now with that said. The trapper was within his rights, it should be the punks who were shooting the wolf that should be pissing people off, they were ruining a great pelt!!!!! :twocents:
Post by: MichaelJ on April 05, 2012, 12:10:47 PM
Mike
Post by: Cuda on April 05, 2012, 12:31:03 PM
I have ZERO problems with the pics... he'd been hard after wolves all season long and finally got one in a leg hold trap in open ground. Quite the feat I'm told and he was proud of it. Should we all stop posting pictures of our kills because it may offend some??
Mike
The harvest pics are no problem at all. It's the live pics that are creating the issue. If you think it is ethical to take pictures of bull elk hung up in a fence and dying or your neighbors dog that has been hit by a car before you help the animal or disbatch it, then I guess there is no problem here. Animals we harvest legally and ethically make great picture opportunities that should be shared with the hunting community. Any outside of that are inappropriate and should not be shared (or taken). It is up to us to protect the sport we all enjoy and teach our future generation hunting (and trapping) ethics.
Post by: stillhunter on April 05, 2012, 12:32:39 PM
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2012, 12:37:21 PM
Post by: Chase 1 on April 05, 2012, 01:13:33 PM
Post by: wazzu99 on April 05, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
Wazzu
Post by: Bigshooter on April 05, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
The pictures are totally inappropriate for a public forum. Even if the guy is a nice guy, the pictures he posted are a black eye for all trappers. There are a few other threads on here about this subject
Total horse sh!t. Since when is something that is compeletly legal inappropriate for a public forum?
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2012, 04:10:42 PM
The pictures are totally inappropriate for a public forum. Even if the guy is a nice guy, the pictures he posted are a black eye for all trappers. There are a few other threads on here about this subject
Total horse sh!t. Since when is something that is compeletly legal inappropriate for a public forum?
Look the ID Trapper's Association asked it's members NOT to post photos like this for this very reason. It's the same reason it's perfectly legal to ride around town with your deer gutted and on the hood of your car, but 99% of hunters would want to kick you in your junk if you did. It's just not a smart thing to do....you have to be able to see that???
Post by: MichaelJ on April 05, 2012, 04:21:51 PM
That guy has been posting his trapping pics in a thread on a public forum all winter long. He had multiple pictures of bobcats, coyotes, and even a fischer (which he released) in leg hold traps. Had probably 10+ pics of live bobcats, 2 or 3 yote pics, and a few other pictures of friends' trapped wolves. Nobody bitched about anything. You can see from the picture of the paw in the trap that the wolf was not under much pain nor suffering until the guys showed up and started shooting from a distance thus wounding it and causing the blood in the snow and the wolf to start suffering. Which is technically illegal as they were messing with an animal in another person's trap. Also the chain got frozen under the snow which didn't allow the animal to reach cover like he'd planned it. Chit happens...
I stand by my opinion that he did nothing wrong and should get as much support as possible. The antis can eat a rock as far as I'm concerned... He checks his traps frequently during the required intervals, and got a phone call from a friend saying that he'd caught a wolf and some guys had taken a few shots at it, he rushed out as soon as possible, got a few pics in then dispatched the wolf.
If pics of wolf killed deer and elk don't bother antis, but this does, then they can go stick their hurt feelings where the sun don't shine. :bash:
It was perfectly legal situation, and if he wanted to post some pictures then he was within his rights. It wasn't the smartest thing to do I'll admit, and he's probably regretting it now which is why we should give him as much support as possible!
Mike
WARNING: This post contains an opinion!
Post by: rebal69972 on April 05, 2012, 09:37:49 PM
Post by: Curly on April 05, 2012, 09:47:17 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on April 05, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
Probably the only thing wrong that he did was to post the pics on the net. :twocents:
:yeah:
To each their own. I personally think the pic is distasteful. Anyone should automatically know you need to have thick skin if you want to post ANY hunting pic on the good ol WWW.
Post by: ribka on April 05, 2012, 09:56:44 PM
Here's a clue for you: 95% of of the voting American public do not hunt. They are ok with hunting as long as they think the game is utilized after the shot. Almost all are against "trophy hunting" They do not like to see animals suffer including wolves, deer cats , bear.
More and more of these non hunters are moving to states like Washington, Oregon, Montana, Colorado, Nm, Arizona, Idaho etc
What group of people helped ban bear and cat hunting with dogs here in WA?
The quickest way to get hunting seasons lessoned or outright banned in some cases, which is happening in many liberal states, is to post photos like this.
As outdoorsmen we have the responsibility to dispatch humanely as quickly as possible any game we shoot , catch or trap.
The non hunting wolf luvers think that wolves only kill the sick and the weak. You will not change their perceptions.
This guy is going to get wolf hunting banned if he others keep doing this.
Would you take a photo next to a deer with its jaw blown off and still living with a big smile on your face and post it on the web?
If it weren't for the guys who were shooting at the wolf and wounding it, there would of been ZERO problems... A little bit of blood on the ground and you guys are throwing this guy under the bus. :bdid:
That guy has been posting his trapping pics in a thread on a public forum all winter long. He had multiple pictures of bobcats, coyotes, and even a fischer (which he released) in leg hold traps. Had probably 10+ pics of live bobcats, 2 or 3 yote pics, and a few other pictures of friends' trapped wolves. Nobody bitched about anything. You can see from the picture of the paw in the trap that the wolf was not under much pain nor suffering until the guys showed up and started shooting from a distance thus wounding it and causing the blood in the snow and the wolf to start suffering. Which is technically illegal as they were messing with an animal in another person's trap. Also the chain got frozen under the snow which didn't allow the animal to reach cover like he'd planned it. Chit happens...
I stand by my opinion that he did nothing wrong and should get as much support as possible. The antis can eat a rock as far as I'm concerned... He checks his traps frequently during the required intervals, and got a phone call from a friend saying that he'd caught a wolf and some guys had taken a few shots at it, he rushed out as soon as possible, got a few pics in then dispatched the wolf.
If pics of wolf killed deer and elk don't bother antis, but this does, then they can go stick their hurt feelings where the sun don't shine. :bash:
It was perfectly legal situation, and if he wanted to post some pictures then he was within his rights. It wasn't the smartest thing to do I'll admit, and he's probably regretting it now which is why we should give him as much support as possible!
Mike
WARNING: This post contains an opinion!
Post by: MichaelJ on April 05, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
To me this is just another case similar to the California fish n game commissioner posting a pic of him with a dead moutain lion...
Mike
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
If there was a picture of a wolf just sitting there not struggling against the trap and no blood, would the issue still exist??
Nope, probably not. I have seen plenty of wolf photos and even some video of wolves in legholds, but the photo shows a large red circle, granted not caused by the trap, but that is the impression you get when you look at the photo. Non hunters/trappers won't go beyond the photo or the headline. Lots of photos posted on the web of animals in legholds, still alive. I'm sure he was proud of his catch and was anxious to show it off and never dreamed he'd be the center of a small firestorm. But they briefed all of us, please don't post ID trapped wolves on the web, no good can come from it. Ask him, and he'll remember them warning us. I know becasue he had to take the class and because they stressed it at every class.
Post by: MichaelJ on April 05, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
Mike
Post by: Britt-dog on April 06, 2012, 12:10:32 AM
WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES!
He did nothing wrong.
Why is it OK to take this picture with Bob, but not a wolf.
Post by: Chase 1 on April 06, 2012, 01:18:14 AM
I continue to be disappointed by my fellow sportsmans responses to the results of perfectly legal activities.
WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES!
He did nothing wrong.
Why is it OK to take this picture with Bob, but not a wolf.
I'm disappointed that you have read all the posts on this subject and still don't get it.
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 06, 2012, 06:58:18 AM
Post by: TheHunt on April 06, 2012, 07:04:00 AM
It is a bunch of crap that everyone cannot do their own them without others impossing their beliefs on everyone else? YES, but it will never changed. Is there times which you should say just live with it and kiss my grits? YES, e.g. mole trapping would be a good example.
Post by: elkontherun on April 08, 2012, 08:43:30 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 08, 2012, 08:56:34 AM
I still voted No for him though as I don't believe the wolf was killed inhumanely.
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on April 08, 2012, 09:02:15 AM
I love people killing wolves, and I'd love to trap, but I lost that right because of not so smart decisions like this guy and this photo. It doesn't bother me, but its great ammunition....so when Idaho loses its rights to trap, this guy can feel like he was part of that all for a success photo. BRILLIA
:yeah:Exactly Bone guy wasn't using his common sense at all. :bash:
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on April 08, 2012, 09:17:31 AM
People voicing their opinions that this guy and trapping are cruel are within their first amendment rights.
At best this guy was very naive and didn't realize that the picture would start a sheet storm (which makes him very ignorant in my opinion :twocents:) at worst this was prideful and he didn't care about the black-eye this gives trappers with the general public (legal or not). Either way it was poor decision making on the part of this fellow.
I for one support this guys first amendment "right" to post the pics of a legal act.....but I don't like the fact that he actually exercised that right in this case. It shows poor decision making and I personally do see some ethical issues particularly since the animal was wounded by some other guys shooting it..... that being the case he should have dispatched it quickly rather than using the opportunity as an ego boost. :twocents:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on April 08, 2012, 09:36:15 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on April 08, 2012, 10:13:10 AM