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Title: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: sooperfly on April 10, 2012, 12:19:11 AM
The documentary the BBC made is up on youtube.
Fellow locals will recognize some of the interview subjects!




         
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Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 10, 2012, 02:06:20 PM
I found them to be kind of tough to watch, too pro-wolf.  Portrayed the hunters/ranchers as a bunch of Yosemite Sams.  Just my opinion though.  Too much emphasis on ecosystems NEEDING wolves and how they are the only predator that can do the job. 
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 10, 2012, 03:43:43 PM
5 mins is all I had to see that's a joke stupid hippies.  I wouldn't mind if a pack of wolves found her.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: WA hunter14 on April 10, 2012, 03:47:05 PM
5 mins is all I had to see that's a joke stupid hippies.  I wouldn't mind if a pack of wolves found her.

thats halarious!   :chuckle:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: MtnMuley on April 10, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
A few of these "experts" ran into some trouble at a local watering hole while doing this documentary........... :'( :chuckle:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 10, 2012, 07:37:56 PM
You know it's funny that the British are involved, who are people who have devoided themselves of wildlife in their homeland. England, the true Elk farm.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 10, 2012, 07:44:37 PM
That wolf howl they used on robo-wolf sounds like all the proposed Bigfoot vocalizations. I think people were hearing wolves instead of an unknown primate because people haven't been fully aware of how long wolves have been here.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on April 10, 2012, 07:49:03 PM
 Didn't we kick them off this continent TWICE and bail them out on their own TWICE? What are they experts on again?

This documentary was made for the city people and others who have no clue, it has nothing to do with the truth
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 10, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
Is it statements that more people than not believe like "Wolves are the top predators" tat irk's you guys so bad? The idea that humans are not at the top? Just alittle inquiry into the human psyche.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 10, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
I would say they are members of a group of top/apex predators--which includes woofs, bears (grizzly and black), cougars and you could even say bobcats/wolverines ... and man.  These shows and woof huggers try to make it sound like woofs are the ONLY predator capable of killing deer/elk, and without woofs the ungulates will overpopulate.  Cougars kill PLENTY of deer and elk.  Black bears will be out killing plenty of calves/fawns in a couple months.  Grizzlies kill whatever they want.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 10, 2012, 08:21:26 PM
Portrayed the hunters/ranchers as a bunch of Yosemite Sams.

These guys painted heir own self portraits.

BTW, what the meaning of 'JimmyHoffa' as your screen-name?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 10, 2012, 08:34:12 PM
Well, there's a lot of editing that can occur to get 30 seconds of someone that could've been interviewed for a couple of hours. So they needed to dramatize a documentary to have human antagonists pinned against underdog woofs.  Show the extremists from one side, but not the other......  Michael Moore wasn't even involved.
Screen name is because I often go missing for long periods of times somewhere in the woods.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 10, 2012, 08:52:15 PM
and the point is ... :dunno GET MY .270  :dunno: :yeah:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 11, 2012, 07:31:17 AM
5 mins is all I had to see that's a joke stupid hippies.  I wouldn't mind if a pack of wolves found her.

thats halarious!   :chuckle:

Hard to believe we could come off sounding like a bunch of Yosemite Sams... 
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 11, 2012, 08:46:29 AM
These people can't be reasoned with.  They made a one sided documentary about the plight of the wolf.  That's it.  The evil music they played duiring yosemites rant and then the peaceful birds chirping and nature sounds when the first lady is talking.  Come on you generalize us with them cause of the term stupid hippes.  Don't influence there one sided argument by putting us all in one group like themcause of a simple statement.  Or you wont be huntin yotes no more.  Not in Washington.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: hirshey on April 11, 2012, 11:07:35 AM
Well, there's a lot of editing that can occur to get 30 seconds of someone that could've been interviewed for a couple of hours.

Agreed. The footage they used at the beginning of the show is the summation of all the most pointed things the interviewees said. Watching even the length of video they allowed some of those interviewees later on, you see a little more insight to their arguements than the "S-S-S, poison-them-all" attitude they portrayed early on.

It's funny; after being subject to an interview for the Methow Valley News on my experience with those wolves this last fall, I certainly feel for anyone who doesn't have control over how their point of view or experiences are painted in a final product..  :dunno:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 11, 2012, 12:10:56 PM
"Can you imagine what that poor animal suffered through as it died?!"

Not unlike the similar and sometimes worse treatment of livestock in slaughterhouses.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: hirshey on April 11, 2012, 12:16:58 PM
"Can you imagine what that poor animal suffered through as it died?!"

Not unlike the similar and sometimes worse treatment of livestock in slaughterhouses.

Its good to recall that both sides are using emotional warfare. What about all those "poor wolves suffering at the hands of the knuckle-dragging hunters"?

A lot of name calling, emotionally-charged ventures from both sides.

I would like to see management remain science-based; which means neither side will be satisfied because wolves will remain, but in lesser numbers than some would hope.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 11, 2012, 12:51:16 PM
It's the science to control the population that they will get horribly wrong.  Kill em all is a bad way to explain the solution.  But to let the pro wolf activists jeopardize my and my family's hunting rights by supporting every aspect of the wolf is out of the question.  All the way down to the complet extinction of all other game in the geographical location.  They have to be seeing the devistating affects of wolf packs and ignoring it so there cause look just to the public denying the facts.  If they were the environmentalist they claim to be they would be honest and controversial in there media and there studies.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: washelkhunter on April 11, 2012, 01:42:25 PM
Canadian wolves - Smoke a pack-a-day!  :tup:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 11, 2012, 02:12:52 PM
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: Alchase on April 11, 2012, 02:39:52 PM
Code 6328?
I seriously hope the WDFW changed the code to their HQ with all those weapons in there, 42 minute, lol

Isn't this the video that was supposed to show Idabooner's interview?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: hoytem on April 11, 2012, 05:44:46 PM
Funny how they use Yellowstone as an example of wolves helping manage herds. There is no hunting allowed in Yellowstone. Hunters have been and still are the top predator managing herds in almost all areas outside of yellowstone. We don't need them! I wonder how the animals in the Cascades have been surviving so long without the "majestic wolf?"
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: ghosthunter on April 11, 2012, 07:24:17 PM
Exactly, The herds have made it this far without the wolves. I found the location of the southern pack interesting. There use to be a Master Hunter elk hunt down that way.
Not any more, I think they are giving those elk to the wolves.

Kinda of gutsy to show the locations of the packs the way most people feel about wolves.
I hunted the lookout area for years and recognized several locations.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: hoytem on April 11, 2012, 07:28:59 PM
I just assumed that the southern pack was the Teanaway?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: whuppinstick on April 12, 2012, 05:43:38 AM
I watched the first hour last night and the second just now and I have to say that I thought they were pretty good movies.  Sure, if I wanted to find things that bugged me, I could.  I was annoyed with that woman during the first episode, but for the most part I thought they were well-done films and I don't think they painted hunters in a bad light.  I do think they painted poachers in a bad light, but rightfully so.  I thought it was pretty cool that the woman went out with the Idaho hunter, even acknowledging that it was hard for her but then having a productive conversation with the guy (and props to him for agreeing to take her out!).  I was impressed that they both agreed that sustainably managing the wolves via hunting is a good solution.  While it is unfortunate they didn't interview any of the radicals from the wolf-loving, lawsuit-submitting side, I was pleased they made the implied point that the future of wolves will include a hunting season like in Idaho.

Hirshey, I agree with you on how people are painted in videos and I have no question that the simplistic nature in which they portrayed some of the 'experts' in the movies would annoy them just as much as selectively pulling "shoot 'em all" clips might have misrepresented the Twisp guys.  It goes both ways, I'm sure, so hopefully it balances out?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: danderson on April 12, 2012, 06:40:23 AM
The overall quality of the documentaries was fairly accurate , I think the ranchers were just being honest, I wish they could have included some local family's from the twisp and teanaway areas that have to deal with wolfs on a daily basis, I was also shocked at the number of pups that they located in the teanaway, this area cannot support these numbers of wolfs that are about to overwhelm a already fragile environment, they will be moving on to greener pastures.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: Idabooner on April 14, 2012, 04:48:59 PM
Code 6328?


Isn't this the video that was supposed to show Idabooner's interview?

I guess they couldn't get me to say what they wanted to hear.  LOL
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 15, 2012, 06:07:28 AM
Code 6328?
I seriously hope the WDFW changed the code to their HQ with all those weapons in there, 42 minute, lol

Isn't this the video that was supposed to show Idabooner's interview?










And really.........what was the point of conducting an interveiw of a poached ANYTHING in a evidence room filled with guns? The only relationship was the animal was shot. Becuase it was a BBC interview, in England they are not allowed to touch firearms, they wanted to make us westerners look like somebody before said. A bunch of Yosemity Sams.  When they first talked about the "wild west" they show a scene of the main street in Winthrop. Trying to make it look like this is still the 1860's gold rush.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: villageidiot on April 15, 2012, 02:19:35 PM
I haven't watched the film yet but it appears they are calling anybody that kills a wolf without a tag a Poacher.  If you shoot a convicted rapist that is raping your daughter, is that what you call a murderer?  So any rancher that kills a wolf that kills his cows is a poacher? Do livestock owners have absolutely no rights left?  They either feed their livestock to the wolves or get convicted as a Poacher of endangered species? 
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TheHunt on April 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM

THose fools do NOT want hunting.  They are planning on saying that hunting is NOT needed any more as the wolves are keeping the balance. 


Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: whuppinstick on April 15, 2012, 06:36:40 PM
I haven't watched the film yet but it appears they are...


You should watch the films.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: Alchase on April 16, 2012, 11:37:10 AM
Code 6328?


Isn't this the video that was supposed to show Idabooner's interview?

I guess they couldn't get me to say what they wanted to hear.  LOL

I was looking forward to your interview. That was during all the denial by the WDFW.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2012, 07:24:32 AM
Somehow I missed this topic.
I am in no way surprised that they make locals look like the bad guys, I expected that.

What I find the most interesting is that this video shows wolves in numerous locations of the north cascades. At the time this was filmed wasn't the WDFW still claiming there was only one wolf pack in the cascades and that there were only two wolves left in the lookout pack?

Here is video proof here that at the time this was filmed they knew there were wolves in several locations in north central WA. I question the timing of their knowledge that additional wolves existed and their continued claims that there are so few wolves in WA until only recently. How many more wolves has WDFW known about that they have refused to admit existed. :dunno:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 27, 2012, 07:59:48 AM
I just watched it.  Just what I expected after watching five mins the other day.  They don't show both respective sides of the argument by any means.  As you said bearpaw that was expected.  But I thought the same thing when the self proclaimed wolf expert howled three times and the woods lit up like wolve haven?  If there scientist can locate that many in a few days an they've been collared that far down for this long this is proff tha wdfw has been lying to us for years.  It needs to be addressed and asked why.  The wdfw needs to own up. The forest service guy on there acts like wolves will stay where we want them.  That will not be the case giving pro woofers all sorts of control tactics to lobby against and make us look like exterminators of the wolves that touch there hearts with there death howls.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 11:43:35 AM
The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: seth30 on April 27, 2012, 11:56:16 AM
The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.
Do grizzly bears and wolverines get the same denial by WDFW? 
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 11:57:23 AM
I don't work for the department, so i do not know.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: seth30 on April 27, 2012, 11:59:58 AM
I don't work for the department, so i do not know.
hmmm but you know about them keeping wolf data from us :dunno: :dunno:

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You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
I don't work for the department, so i do not know.
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The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.
Do grizzly bears and wolverines get the same denial by WDFW? 
Posted by: humanure
« on: Today at 11:43:35 AM » Insert Quote

You are ignoring this user. 
The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 12:09:04 PM
It's that I know something people don't, it's just logical and common sense.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: seth30 on April 27, 2012, 12:16:42 PM
It's that I know something people don't, it's just logical and common sense.
Oh wow you have ESP, maybe you could start your own hotline and charge people 2.99 a minute :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 12:22:59 PM
*roll's eye's*
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.

So you are suggesting it's legitimate, perfectly OK for the WDFW to lie to the people?

Very few people call the WDFW the "department" unless they are employees, exactly who are you humanure, why do you call yourself "humanure" and why do you incite people to make the worst comments about wolves?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 01:15:39 PM
I don't agree that they maintained that there was only one pack. They should have been more vague about what they said. I do agree that, yes, it is legitimate to withhold information for the sake of safety, preventing unlawfulness, etc.

I am just a guy who raises German Shepherds, runs around the mountains, fishes, hunt's and volunteer's at a sheep/cattle farm and injured wildlife rehab's and sanctuaries. I don't work for the department.

I call myself 'Humanure' because it's my favorite Cattle Decapitation album. I might incite people to say things, but it takes two to tango. It's certain comments that incite me to voice my opinion and idea's.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 27, 2012, 01:18:11 PM
The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.

So you are suggesting it's legitimate, perfectly OK for the WDFW to lie to the people?

Very few people call the WDFW the "department" unless they are employees, exactly who are you humanure, why do you call yourself "humanure" and why do you incite people to make the worst comments about wolves?

Far too may glassy eyeds have no idea who works for whom.  The "Department" is accountable TOTALLY to We, The People.  Not We, the glassy eyed MOB.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: seth30 on April 27, 2012, 01:19:37 PM
The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.

So you are suggesting it's legitimate, perfectly OK for the WDFW to lie to the people?

Very few people call the WDFW the "department" unless they are employees, exactly who are you humanure, why do you call yourself "humanure" and why do you incite people to make the worst comments about wolves?
Yep a lot of groups out there think that WDFW only works for there intrests :bash:

Far too may glassy eyeds have no idea who works for whom.  The "Department" is accountable TOTALLY to We, The People.  Not We, the glassy eyed MOB.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: hoytem on April 27, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
The department has every right and reason to keep such info to themselves. The threat of poaching and giving them the locations to go to being the obvious.

You are saying it's acceptable for a public agency to lie to the public?!!!! If you could share what ever you're smoking so my head stops hurting it would be appreciated. :bash:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
I already said I disagree'd that they lied and said there's only one pack. They should have just withheld info.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: JODakota on April 27, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
I don't agree that they maintained that there was only one pack. They should have been more vague about what they said. I do agree that, yes, it is legitimate to withhold information for the sake of safety, preventing unlawfulness, etc.

I am just a guy who raises German Shepherds, runs around the mountains, fishes, hunt's and volunteer's at a sheep/cattle farm and injured wildlife rehab's and sanctuaries. I don't work for the department.

I call myself 'Humanure' because it's my favorite Cattle Decapitation album. I might incite people to say things, but it takes two to tango. It's certain comments that incite me to voice my opinion and idea's.

Hey manure, what rehab centers do you volunteer at? just curious?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Yeah, no. I've already said that my words will only speak for themselves and not who I am affiliated with. They keep saying I'm this DB guy, but whatev's. They can think whatever they want.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 27, 2012, 05:40:00 PM
Manure = Psyops LIAR

Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 05:42:36 PM
What the *censored* is psyops, anyways?

You can say I'm a liar all you want, that doesn't make it any more true than... well, I'll just stop there.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 27, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
You, manure, are a LIAR.  We've already established that on another thread

You're also an amatuer.  I know your alinsky better than you do.

I win.  You lose.  PERIOD.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 27, 2012, 10:10:06 PM
Broad, you ain't won *censored*. All you have done is slander an individuals character. Nothing more, nothing less. You have not proven to me that wolves from Canada weren't here before, and you have not proven a *censored* accusation about who I am, you especially ain't established that I am a liar. You keep saying it, but that don't make it any more true. You have not explained what a psyop is, what an NWO grunt is nor who this Alinsky *censored* is. Your about as much as winning as Charlie Sheen(and sound just as *censored* in the head). I mean seriously, you sound JUST LIKE those Jesus Freaks and Scientologists who scream louder and louder in people's faces without responding to their words.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 28, 2012, 03:51:08 AM
Everybody take a step back. A person's character is reflected in the music they listen to. Check out his little youtube video he has linked when he posts. Just like the Jesus freaks he describes. Yelling in your efin face. I think manure will be at the May 1st demostrations in Seattle like a member of the flock should do.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 04:02:30 AM
Meh, one's music tastes is only subjective. I linked it for the theme of the video. Too many humans equaling a systematic culling of our own species. Not saying that's what will happen, but I think it's a good reflection of could be.

I don't do demonstration's. Sure, I'll go to farmers market's and help educate the uses of home grown wool and other tool's of living, but you won't find me throwing firebombs at an Occupy demonstration. I hate rabble-rousing mob's, so I wouldn't be involved in any of the. Plus I HATE Seattle. Every time I go there for a concert, I can't wait to leave because of how that city is. The most fukked roadways ever! And I hate yuppie Seattlites.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 08:19:04 AM
Broad, you ain't won *censored*. All you have done is slander an individuals character. Nothing more, nothing less. You have not proven to me that wolves from Canada weren't here before, and you have not proven a *censored* accusation about who I am, you especially ain't established that I am a liar. You keep saying it, but that don't make it any more true. You have not explained what a psyop is, what an NWO grunt is nor who this Alinsky *censored* is. Your about as much as winning as Charlie Sheen(and sound just as *censored* in the head). I mean seriously, you sound JUST LIKE those Jesus Freaks and Scientologists who scream louder and louder in people's faces without responding to their words.

1) "Broad"?  LOL!
2) Yes, I did.
3) No, I didn't
4) Yes, I did
5) Your posts proved what you are.
6) Once again, yes I did, liar.
7) You know what they are. You just don't know them as well as I do.
8) I'm immune to your ridicule and demonization, manure.  Been fighting you limp wristed sissy freaks for nearly eight years.  I know how you roll.  I DETEST you SOB's and I'm not going to let you lie here without correcting those lies.

Brace yourself, tool
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: smokepole assassin79 on April 28, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
twg2a you rock.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: seth30 on April 28, 2012, 10:12:04 AM
twg2a you rock.
:yeah:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 10:28:01 AM
Manure wants you to believe he's on your side, then he tries to manipulate your opinions and the facts.

He's an alinsky wanna-be desciple.  Thinks he knows how to change your mindss on the issues. 

But I know his alinsky FAR better than he does, and I'm not playing his dirty little game.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 11:48:03 AM
Broad, you ain't won *censored*. All you have done is slander an individuals character. Nothing more, nothing less. You have not proven to me that wolves from Canada weren't here before, and you have not proven a *censored* accusation about who I am, you especially ain't established that I am a liar. You keep saying it, but that don't make it any more true. You have not explained what a psyop is, what an NWO grunt is nor who this Alinsky *censored* is. Your about as much as winning as Charlie Sheen(and sound just as *censored* in the head). I mean seriously, you sound JUST LIKE those Jesus Freaks and Scientologists who scream louder and louder in people's faces without responding to their words.

1) "Broad"?  LOL!
2) Yes, I did.
3) No, I didn't
4) Yes, I did
5) Your posts proved what you are.
6) Once again, yes I did, liar.
7) You know what they are. You just don't know them as well as I do.
8) I'm immune to your ridicule and demonization, manure.  Been fighting you limp wristed sissy freaks for nearly eight years.  I know how you roll.  I DETEST you SOB's and I'm not going to let you lie here without correcting those lies.

Brace yourself, tool

Lie's, every last one of those point's of yours. If you really believe all that crap... you are nuttier than Charlie Sheen!
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
Wrong again, manure.

A gift for you.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 12:04:15 PM
Yeah well, I've had at least 3 people message me here on this forum since last night apologizing for your 'rediculous behavior' and 'embarrassing, uncalled-for harrasment'. So take that into mind while you feel proud about screaming at the top of your lungs without making any real sense.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
Me too!  Seems a lot of members here are sick of your nonsense.

Most congratulated me and told me I "rock".

Now be nice, manure.  I gave you a smiley and the least you could do is say "Thanks".
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 12:21:53 PM
Takes two to tango. Remember, I never attacked anyone, I never slandered who any one person is(because how can we know anyone enough to do that on the internet?). I have disagreements and I post my opposing opinions, but I do not resort to name calling and slander(you being an exception).
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 12:27:09 PM
I only call 'em as I see 'em.

I don't know you personally, but I've seen you a zillion times in the years I've been on this particular battlefield.

It is my duty to show people what you and your ilk are up to.

Besides..... I'm highly fuctioning autistic.  It is impossible for me to tell a lie. I'm also extremely diligent where facts and details are concerned.  I spend every day, all day long researching what's going on because I can't help it.

And I will fight you and your ilk until my dying breath.

Now thank me for the smiley.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 12:33:49 PM
Apparently you are capable of lieing, because every accusation about who I am has been completely wrong. I DO NOT know who this Alinsky is, I DO NOT know what an NWO grunt is, and I DO NOT have an ilk to side with, being that I'm quite reclusive and do not partake in any special interest groups(and no, volunteering to rehabilitate injured wildlife and helping out at a sheep farm in my free time does not constitute being in a 'special interest group'. Thats just being a good person).

I'm actually quite embarrassed of how the last two threads have gone. Not for anything I've said, but for responding to your childish attack's. I realize I only did so because you mixed in view points worth debating, otherwise i would have ignored your petty slandering.

(and BTW, you still have not proven that Canadian wolves weren't here before. The records from the turn of the century and before in the books I've mentioned have stated that among the Cascades Mountain wolf(or Brush wolf), the Coastal Rainforest wolves were here as well(which can be found in BC and The Great Bear Range) as well at canus occidentalis).
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 12:42:19 PM
Asperger's (Commonly called "Aspies") do not lie.   We're also obsessive about specifics, details and facts.  It has been both a curse and a blessing.  In my career, it's been a blessing because it has allowed me some very high level responsibilities and interesting projects and tasks. Companies (VERY large, global companies)  like the fact that I'm obsessive in my analysis and that I'm extremely detail oriented, and they pay me a lot of money to do what I do. Yes, a blessing.

It has also been a blessing AND a curse where current events are concerned. I wish I didn't know any of the things that I now know about what we're facing. I have spent a jaw-dropping amount of time and energy researching the facts and sifting through the smoke and mirrors and I know exactly what's happening. Like I said.... I am extremely detail oriented because of my Aspergers.

If there were a pill I could take to delete my memory, I'd take it without hesitation.

Ignorance would truly be bliss today.

Now thank me for the smiley.

Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 12:51:06 PM
You can have the smiley back.

Back to the issue, I found this little detail on a wolf case in MI recently that was interesting:

According to Sunset Road resident Clara May Lynn, her husband Robert turned on the back porch light one evening and saw two wolves approximately 10 yards from their door. The wolves ran away when the light was turned on. The next morning he investigated and found the carcass of a deer the wolves had killed. Before he had a chance to move the deer carcass, wolves came back and devoured it.


So they kill for fun and leave it? Doesn't seem to be the case this time. The came back and finished the kill. Not saying that happens every time, but whenever you guys find an uneaten carcass out there, it doesn't mean the wolves won't be coming back for it.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 12:57:01 PM
Wolves are pack hunters and they kill for sport.

It's all over the place here in Montana. Talk to any rancher and they'll describe the horrific scenes they come across almost daily

I've seen a pregnant cow, hamstrung by wolves.  The wolves tore her belly open, pulled the calf out and ate it's tongue.  The mama cow was left on the ground with her gut torn open, her eyeball on the ground, connected my some kind of tendon, and her calf lay dead with it's tongue chewed out.

I've seen MANY wolf kills, manure. What am I going to believe? You? Or my lyin' eyes?  They're sport killing machines with a particular taste for pregnant cattle and elk and for the tongues of baby cattle and elk.
 
You have no clue.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 01:02:41 PM
Sounds pretty close to what goes on in slaughter houses. How the wild eats is it's own business, so I'm not horrified by those stories at all. I don't even deny that it's true. How do we have to clout to judge how the wild acts? However it is that wolves kill... well, I'm sure evolution, creation, whatever programed it that way for a reason. Are we to kill all the lions in the savannah because they eat animals alive, starting at the anus? Thats pretty horrific, so we should kill all the lions, right?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Now you are being ridiculous, manure.

Those cattle are livestock. They belong to humans, and they put food on the table.

You and your ilk put humans on the same level as wolves, and that's just wrong in so many ways.

When you've seen a hamstrung cow, deer, dog or elk, you will change your mind real quick.

The Canadian Grey wolves are NOT native here and our ecosystem can NOT support them.  It's the same as if we moved grizzlies down to Florida.

You think you're right all the time, but you are dead wrong, manure. Facts are stubborn things.  You claim to care about the ecology and environment, but I contend that you do NOT care about it. Otherwise, you would perform due diligence ion learning the facts and doing what is necessary to support ecological systems.

You see, the difference between you and i is very simple....

I am a "Conservationist". I believe in managing wildlife, respecting the delicate nature of our ecosystems and doing everything I possibly can to ensure I'm not doig anything destructive.  That I am a good steward to our land and our wildlife.

You, on the other hand, are an "environmentalist". or what is commondly referred to as a "ECOTERRORIST".  You don't have the facts.  You base your opinions on whatever this pack of global elitist LIARS are feeding you, and you're doing their dirty work to accomplish their diabolocal schemes.  You have no first hand experience on wolves, yet you wag your scrawny hoof at anyone who states facts that are contrary to what your global eitist puppeteers have brainwashed you to believe.

I know the facts.

You do not.

And that's all I need to know.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 01:16:50 PM
I respectfully disagree.

I don't believe in the Christian faith, so i don't feel us humans are stewards of the land. But if you want to go to that level, here's something a clergyman of the church said at the Spokane wolf meeting:

"God mandates that we have dominion... which DOES NOT translate into domination..."

And again, the records and accounts from the past that I've read have shown that one or more species of wolf that were found here were also found in Canada.

And, you are putting YOUR livestock in the lands that the wild inhabits. You do the math.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 01:25:29 PM
Put your self on the level of worms and snakes.

I'm not.  I am human, and for that, I am superior to worms and snakes.

We're not on the same level, manure, and I am fed up with the idea you and your ilk spew about us humans being equal to a 3" minnow or a spotted cockroach.

Title: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on April 28, 2012, 01:26:48 PM
You guys are ridiculous grow up!
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 01:28:10 PM
Guess we should agree to disagree then and quit wasting eachother's time then? But no, you won't allow that.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 01:30:40 PM
I won't sit back and read lies without correcting them, manure

I have a broken hip right now, and nothing better to do than to lay here and correct you all day long.

Are we going to spend the day together, manure?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Meh, i've said what i had to say and stand behind all of it.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 28, 2012, 01:42:41 PM
It's fine with me that you are misguided.

Just stay out of the way when the real fight begins.

You are just another "Pawn in the game"  and useful idiot.  Stay that way.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 28, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Back to topic:

This documentary could have been done better without the female on there. I really didn't see her as an asset to the objective of the documentary, besides creating a warm, fuzzy feeling.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 29, 2012, 02:37:21 AM
Back to topic:

This documentary could have been done better without the female on there. I really didn't see her as an asset to the objective of the documentary, besides creating a warm, fuzzy feeling.





As you can see, your opinion means *censored* here.............. :dunno:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: TWG2A on April 29, 2012, 06:56:55 AM
Back to topic:

This documentary could have been done better without the female on there. I really didn't see her as an asset to the objective of the documentary, besides creating a warm, fuzzy feeling.





As you can see, your opinion means *censored* here.............. :dunno:

manure hates humans.. particularly female humans....... He's a racist, too

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on April 29, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
Has it ever meant anything more/ That hasn't stopped me yet.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on May 04, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
So someone sent me a message saying that the woman who I put on ignore called me a racist. How am I racist?

(sorry, just didn't feel that question warranted a new thread)
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: GrainfedMuley on May 07, 2012, 03:09:06 AM
So someone sent me a message saying that the woman who I put on ignore called me a racist. How am I racist?

(sorry, just didn't feel that question warranted a new thread)





Blah, Blah, Blah............
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on May 07, 2012, 04:59:22 AM
Hoo-wee! *censored*, do you fuking love me or what, Muley? Hahahaha! :tup: :hello:

It's cute that you like to hit on me, but I am spoken for, so thanks but no thanks.

Aren't we a bit old for such elementary punching-my-arm-cuz-you-have-a-crush-on-me-but-thats-how-you-show-it?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: GrainfedMuley on May 07, 2012, 06:26:50 AM
Hoo-wee! *censored*, do you fuking love me or what, Muley? Hahahaha! :tup: :hello:

It's cute that you like to hit on me, but I am spoken for, so thanks but no thanks.

Aren't we a bit old for such elementary punching-my-arm-cuz-you-have-a-crush-on-me-but-thats-how-you-show-it?






Nice try, but I am not gay like you are. It would not be a cute punch in the arm either.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on May 07, 2012, 06:38:23 AM
Uh, what led you to think I was homosexual? Because although I'm not homophobic and think gay's should have the same rights as everyone else, I'm not into dudes(I thought you were a chick, BTW). I'd be horrible at being gay. I gag just from hocking a loogie! Hahahaha!
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 07, 2012, 07:29:19 AM
Uh, what led you to think I was homosexual? Because although I'm not homophobic and think gay's should have the same rights as everyone else, I'm not into dudes(I thought you were a chick, BTW). I BE horrible at being gay. I gag just from hocking a loogie! Hahahaha!



                                               :yeah:   It's official.  Humanure is gay.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on May 07, 2012, 09:51:34 AM
Am I? Well i guess i better trade in my Carhartts and metal shirts fir hot pants and a midrif cut muscle shirt.

Lets say you are right(which u aint) and i was gay. Would it matter? I dont think it would be smart for your cause to look like homophobes.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: hoytem on May 07, 2012, 03:04:15 PM
Uh, what led you to think I was homosexual? Because although I'm not homophobic and think gay's should have the same rights as everyone else, I'm not into dudes(I thought you were a chick, BTW). I BE horrible at being gay. I gag just from hocking a loogie! Hahahaha!



                                               :yeah:   It's official.  Humanure is gay.

It's official x2
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on May 07, 2012, 05:14:16 PM
Ah, simple mispell, but hilarious nonetheless. Has been corrected.

Uh, what led you to think I was homosexual? Because although I'm not homophobic and think gay's should have the same rights as everyone else, I'm not into dudes(I thought you were a chick, BTW). I'd be horrible at being gay. I gag just from hocking a loogie! Hahahaha!
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: hirshey on May 07, 2012, 09:13:47 PM
Alright this thread is WAY off topic. Anyone else watch the documentary since last time I was on here?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: lewy on May 07, 2012, 10:14:06 PM
Alright this thread is WAY off topic. Anyone else watch the documentary since last time I was on here?
I just watched the first one. It was one sided and made me sick......havent made it to the others yet
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: danderson on May 07, 2012, 10:56:43 PM
  Thanks Hirsey for directing this important topic back to were it belongs, I watched the documentary and was startled at the number of wolf pups that were documented in the Teanaway, that must  have been filmed last summer, that also means that pack  has almost  doubled since then. I spend a lot of time hiking and hunting in the valley and can confirm that the deer populations have been decimated, just ask any local farmer, the deer that are surviving are staying low in the valley floor, not venturing very far, The concern that I have is that true mule deer are taking a heck of a hit with the introduction of wolfs in an already fragile environment,  that hasn't truly recovered from the harsh winter kills from the mid 70s, with wolf recovery well on its way, what price are we ultimately paying. How can a person defend the argument that a healthy wolf pack comes from the eradication of other wildlife populations. We also have a growing moose population in the Teanaway, question for the wolf lovers, what makes your wolf pack any more important than the newly established moose immigrant's?
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: humanure on May 07, 2012, 11:01:32 PM
None is more important than the other. The moose has a place in the ecosystem just as the wolf, the coyote, the elk or the owl.

You act as if the pack can survive if the herds are decimated. As the herds dwindle, so does the pack. Wolves die for various reason quite often. Starvation, parvo, injuries from fighting and hunting, parasites and worms leading to a weakened immune system, etc. Most pups from a wolf litter don't survive.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: GrainfedMuley on May 08, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
None is more important than the other. The moose has a place in the ecosystem just as the wolf, the coyote, the elk or the owl.

You act as if the pack can survive if the herds are decimated. As the herds dwindle, so does the pack. Wolves die for various reason quite often. Starvation, parvo, injuries from fighting and hunting, parasites and worms leading to a weakened immune system, etc. Most pups from a wolf litter don't survive.








Blah, Blah, Blah......................................
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: bearpaw on May 08, 2012, 11:18:11 AM
I have watched it and thought it was nothing more than a liberal leaning sales pitch for wolves. They put locals in a bad light and made it look like wolves might not make it in Washington. Wolves are actually spreading repidly in Washington, so I give it a 1 on a scale of 1 to 5 as far as being a factual unbiased documentary.
Title: Re: BBC Methow Wolf Documentary Posted
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 08, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
I have watched it and thought it was nothing more than a liberal leaning sales pitch for wolves. They put locals in a bad light and made it look like wolves might not make it in Washington. Wolves are actually spreading repidly in Washington, so I give it a 1 on a scale of 1 to 5 as far as being a factual unbiased documentary.

Not to forget that was expected.  I watched it when you posted it.  What it exposed about wdfw lying should be looked at.  There science is conducted by pro woofers and its bias.  Elk herds and deer herds estimates high and wolf counts way low.  It's only getting worse.  Until they are legal to hunt there is no management that's effective.  The wolfs were in California when this was made.  So there all over Washington. 
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