Post by: Elkstuffer on April 17, 2012, 04:31:16 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on April 17, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 05:04:09 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 05:06:54 PM
Post by: cryfowl on April 17, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 05:14:40 PM
It may well keep the average hunter from applying, making OIL a rich man only game....
Come on man, really? There is NO WAY you would let $200 keep you from a once in a lifetime sheep hunt if you drew one of the big horn ram hunts. If after applying for years, you finally draw that Asotin tag and can't afford the extra $200 (ONE TIME PAYMENT IN LIFETIME) then perhaps those people should not be applying from the get go. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 05:16:58 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 05:18:52 PM
I won't complain about the moose, sheep, and goat tag prices. I think they're well worth the money. They've been under-priced for years.
EXACTLY Bob :tup: Just get the tag, I guarantee you will find the extra $200 to go. ;)
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 05:21:22 PM
I won't complain about the moose, sheep, and goat tag prices. I think they're well worth the money. They've been under-priced for years.
EXACTLY Bob :tup: Just get the tag, I guarantee you will find the extra $200 to go. ;)
All I will do is skip any pre-season scouting trips I may have done, and instead just drive to the area two days before the season opener, and basically camp out where ever I hunt. I can save several hundred dollars on fuel just by limiting how much driving I do for the hunt. (if I'm so lucky to be drawn)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 17, 2012, 05:23:41 PM
They will have some extra money to go with the multi season money :peep: and the discover pass money :peep:
:chuckle:
Post by: Elkstuffer on April 17, 2012, 05:41:15 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 17, 2012, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2012, 05:48:52 PM
Post by: quadrafire on April 17, 2012, 06:07:28 PM
I won't complain about the moose, sheep, and goat tag prices. I think they're well worth the money. They've been under-priced for years.
:yeah:
Heck the multi deer or elk is over 1/2 of that amount. I would easily pay that for a OIL. Heck give up a few luxuries for the year. Bike to work to get in shape and easily make up for it in fuel savings. :dunno:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 17, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
Guys with lots of money just don't mind these increases unlike the rest of us, if I was rich I probably wouldn't give a chit either.
:chuckle: So you are telling me you really would mind paying a extra 200 for a once in the lifetime hunt? Anyone should be able to save enough to cover the extra 200.00 for a special tag like that.
Plus that is only if you get drawn, not like you have to spend it until you get drawn.
Post by: smdave on April 17, 2012, 06:22:01 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2012, 06:24:35 PM
Post by: seth30 on April 17, 2012, 06:24:59 PM
This year I bet a lot of people won't even know about the increase until they get drawn and have to pay for it.look at all the posts about multiseason tags :chuckle:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on April 17, 2012, 06:25:24 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 17, 2012, 06:32:24 PM
Post by: doyourtime89 on April 17, 2012, 06:49:57 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2012, 06:57:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
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Believe it or not I also think they are worth more than that, heck if they were 3,ooo dollars I would pay for it.
Oh come on, $3000? Why would anyone pay that when you can hunt moose in Idaho for $2000 as a non-resident?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2012, 07:03:03 PM
Post by: TheHunt on April 17, 2012, 07:05:50 PM
Post by: antlerking on April 17, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
Post by: boneaddict on April 17, 2012, 07:45:23 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 17, 2012, 08:04:22 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on April 17, 2012, 08:16:28 PM
Post by: SI Eagle on April 17, 2012, 08:27:36 PM
Post by: Elkstuffer on April 17, 2012, 08:36:05 PM
Comparing our resident fees to other states nonresident fees is like comparing grapes to watermelons. YOU CAN'T!
Post by: seth30 on April 17, 2012, 09:08:49 PM
Post by: lhrbull on April 17, 2012, 10:41:06 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 17, 2012, 10:44:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 10:53:21 PM
So for residents they went up by 272%, and for non-residents only 137%.
At $1652 we're still well below what Idaho charges for a non-resident moose tag. Why are our moose worth less?
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 11:10:23 PM
QuoteBelieve it or not I also think they are worth more than that, heck if they were 3,ooo dollars I would pay for it.
Oh come on, $3000? Why would anyone pay that when you can hunt moose in Idaho for $2000 as a non-resident?
:chuckle: I don't see Aaron, Ridgerunner, last years Swakane sheep tag winner or last years Asotin sheep tag winners complaining. If you think you can buy a world class sheep tag for $3000 you are seriously delusional. Those tags would have gone for $10K easy if it were open for auction. Aarons tag would have gone for $100K if it were auctioned off, for $350 its pocket change, and yet you guys whine and complain. :bash:
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 11:14:14 PM
QuoteBelieve it or not I also think they are worth more than that, heck if they were 3,ooo dollars I would pay for it.
Oh come on, $3000? Why would anyone pay that when you can hunt moose in Idaho for $2000 as a non-resident?
:chuckle: I don't see Aaron, Ridgerunner, last years Swakane sheep tag winner or last years Asotin sheep tag winners complaining. If you think you can buy a world class sheep tag for $3000 you are on seriously delusional. Those tags would have gone for $10K easy if it were open for auction.
No they're not complaining- they only paid $100 for their tags! :chuckle:
In Idaho you actually have good odds of drawing a moose tag. I would apply in Idaho for a moose tag before I'd apply here, if Washington moose tags were 3 grand.
I don't so much care about sheep. I would gladly pay the $100 it used to be but for $300 I might have to reconsider.
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
I don't so much care about sheep. I would gladly pay the $100 it used to be but for $300 I might have to reconsider.Quote
Bob, you're killing brother, you're fu#$ing killing me. :bash:
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 11:22:33 PM
I don't so much care about sheep. I would gladly pay the $100 it used to be but for $300 I might have to reconsider.
Bob, you're killing brother, you're fu#$ing killing me. :bash:
:chuckle:
Seriously I think what takes away from the sheep hunts, for me, is that they are not native. They were transplanted here from somewhere else. Yes, I know sheep were native in this state originally but then they went extinct. So to me it's almost like hunting a game farm where animals are just put there to be hunted. It's just not as "real" as it should be. Not like an Alaskan sheep hunt or something like that.
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2012, 11:24:50 PM
I don't so much care about sheep. I would gladly pay the $100 it used to be but for $300 I might have to reconsider.Quote
Bob, you're killing brother, you're fu#$ing killing me. :bash:
:chuckle:
Seriously I think what takes away from the sheep hunts, for me, is that they are not native. They were transplanted here from somewhere else. Yes, I know sheep were native in this state to originally but then they went extinct. So to me it's almost like hunting a game farm where animals are just put there to be hunted. It's just not as "real" as it should be. Not like an Alaskan sheep hunt or something like that.
Ill remind you of that should we ever get the opportunity to hunt wolves here. ;)
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2012, 11:27:21 PM
Seriously I think what takes away from the sheep hunts, for me, is that they are not native. They were transplanted here from somewhere else. Yes, I know sheep were native in this state to originally but then they went extinct. So to me it's almost like hunting a game farm where animals are just put there to be hunted. It's just not as "real" as it should be. Not like an Alaskan sheep hunt or something like that.
Ill remind you of that should we ever get the opportunity to hunt wolves here. ;)
I'd go on a wolf hunt if the price of the tag wasn't too high, but it wouldn't be so I could hunt a wolf, it would be so I could save some deer, elk, and moose.
Post by: daydreamn on April 18, 2012, 03:13:35 AM
Post by: winshooter88 on April 18, 2012, 04:08:28 AM
Someone said that if you don't put in an application each year you lose your points, that is incorrect, your points stay with you until you're drawn or die.
Post by: Elkstuffer on April 18, 2012, 10:48:49 AM
Post by: shanevg on April 18, 2012, 11:15:13 AM
Post by: Capt Morgan on April 18, 2012, 11:50:29 AM
Take a look at some other states. This price increase puts us pretty much on par with states like Idaho and Colorado and Wyoming. Pretty standard fare for an OIL tag actually.Perhaps so but I'd have to think that them states probably have better hunting opportunities than this screwed up state & you'd get your monies worth.
Post by: Elkstuffer on April 18, 2012, 11:51:56 AM
Take a look at some other states. This price increase puts us pretty much on par with states like Idaho and Colorado and Wyoming. Pretty standard fare for an OIL tag actually.
WA is actually almost double+ what the other western states are for there OIL tags.
Oregon $122 Arizona $272
Nevada $120 Utah $408-508
Idaho $166 New Mexico $161
Montana $130
Colorado $254
Other than Utah, WA is quite a bit higher for there OIL tags. Just sayin!
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2012, 12:13:29 PM
Thank you for some facts. And huntnphool, I never said those tags weren't worth the cost. I was saying quite the opposite. I also know enough about hunting that it's impossible to find a sheep hunt for the 3,000 dollar range.Take a look at some other states. This price increase puts us pretty much on par with states like Idaho and Colorado and Wyoming. Pretty standard fare for an OIL tag actually.
WA is actually almost double+ what the other western states are for there OIL tags.
Oregon $122 Arizona $272
Nevada $120 Utah $408-508
Idaho $166 New Mexico $161
Montana $130
Colorado $254
Other than Utah, WA is quite a bit higher for there OIL tags. Just sayin!
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 18, 2012, 12:18:25 PM
I would suggest the increase in general licenses / permits is a greater concern since that affects all hunters.
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 12:21:13 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2012, 12:33:33 PM
I'd like to see our points be willed on to one of our children.:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2012, 12:37:33 PM
The real rip is that you will pay $8 / year to apply, every year, and in all likely never receive anything in your lifetime for it.
You forgot the new price for the application- $15.20.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 18, 2012, 02:59:31 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 03:01:12 PM
$15 a pop for each species for such a slim chance at drawing is pretty much a rip off. It'll now cost $45 just to apply for OIL species, 99% of people won't draw in there lifetime. It's sad that points have become like crack cocaine to the modern hunter, we'll do whatever it takes for that next shot at a great tag.
Says the guy that has drawn 2 of them. :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on April 18, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
$15 a pop for each species for such a slim chance at drawing is pretty much a rip off. It'll now cost $45 just to apply for OIL species, 99% of people won't draw in there lifetime. It's sad that points have become like crack cocaine to the modern hunter, we'll do whatever it takes for that next shot at a great tag.
Say it takes a guy 20 years to finally draw an OIL tag; then he would have spent $900 on permit application fees. On top of that, he'll be paying over $300 for the tag. That's over $1,200 spent to go get an OIL species in this state. Might as well save up some money and go out of state or out of the country and get a moose (and quit contributing to the money grabbing WDFW)............ :twocents:
What does it cost to go to Canada for a moose? :dunno: I think I should go to BC in a few years and quit feeding money to WDFW.....
Post by: firefighter4607 on April 18, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
Say it takes a guy 20 years to finally draw an OIL tag; then he would have spent $900 on permit application fees. On top of that, he'll be paying over $300 for the tag. That's over $1,200 spent to go get an OIL species in this state. Might as well save up some money and go out of state or out of the country and get a moose (and quit contributing to the money grabbing WDFW)............ :twocents:
What does it cost to go to Canada for a moose? :dunno: I think I should go to BC in a few years and quit feeding money to WDFW.....
I think it was about 2 grand for a week stay and a guide for my dad when he went up to 100 Mile.
Post by: MtnMuley on April 18, 2012, 03:39:31 PM
Say it takes a guy 20 years to finally draw an OIL tag; then he would have spent $900 on permit application fees. On top of that, he'll be paying over $300 for the tag. That's over $1,200 spent to go get an OIL species in this state. Might as well save up some money and go out of state or out of the country and get a moose (and quit contributing to the money grabbing WDFW)............ :twocents:
What does it cost to go to Canada for a moose? :dunno: I think I should go to BC in a few years and quit feeding money to WDFW.....
I think it was about 2 grand for a week stay and a guide for my dad when he went up to 100 Mile.
2 grand for a weeks stay and guided moose hunt sounds very strange.
Post by: Bob33 on April 18, 2012, 03:48:02 PM
The odds of drawing an OIL tag in 20 years is still very low. Taking bonus points out of the equation, the odds of drawing a moose permit applying every year for 20 years is about 2%. Mountain goat is worse, and sheep is worse yet.$15 a pop for each species for such a slim chance at drawing is pretty much a rip off. It'll now cost $45 just to apply for OIL species, 99% of people won't draw in there lifetime. It's sad that points have become like crack cocaine to the modern hunter, we'll do whatever it takes for that next shot at a great tag.
Say it takes a guy 20 years to finally draw an OIL tag; then he would have spent $900 on permit application fees. On top of that, he'll be paying over $300 for the tag. That's over $1,200 spent to go get an OIL species in this state. Might as well save up some money and go out of state or out of the country and get a moose (and quit contributing to the money grabbing WDFW)............ :twocents:
What does it cost to go to Canada for a moose? :dunno: I think I should go to BC in a few years and quit feeding money to WDFW.....
Post by: firefighter4607 on April 18, 2012, 03:50:35 PM
So I was looking it looks like it is about 4-6000 depends on what outifitter you go with.
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
I hope lots of people think $15 is too much and it's not worth it. Makes my odds better! :IBCOOL:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 18, 2012, 07:12:01 PM
Post by: shanevg on April 18, 2012, 07:54:25 PM
$15 a pop for each species for such a slim chance at drawing is pretty much a rip off. It'll now cost $45 just to apply for OIL species, 99% of people won't draw in there lifetime. It's sad that points have become like crack cocaine to the modern hunter, we'll do whatever it takes for that next shot at a great tag.
Say it takes a guy 20 years to finally draw an OIL tag; then he would have spent $900 on permit application fees. On top of that, he'll be paying over $300 for the tag. That's over $1,200 spent to go get an OIL species in this state. Might as well save up some money and go out of state or out of the country and get a moose (and quit contributing to the money grabbing WDFW)............ :twocents:
What does it cost to go to Canada for a moose? :dunno: I think I should go to BC in a few years and quit feeding money to WDFW.....
The thing most people don't realize is that with the number of applicants in our state for the OIL tags, your odds of getting drawn are going down every year even as you accumulate points. The only way our odds will ever go up is when there are less applicants or significantly more tags. I think the increased price is a very calculated move by WDFW. They are trying to discourage people from applying while still keeping revenue even.
Post by: matt345 on April 18, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Post by: Jason on April 18, 2012, 07:59:13 PM
Can someone explain what an OIL tag is??You need a tag to pump oil :chuckle: OIL= Once in a lifetime
Post by: slim9300 on April 19, 2012, 01:21:49 PM
QuoteBelieve it or not I also think they are worth more than that, heck if they were 3,ooo dollars I would pay for it.
Oh come on, $3000? Why would anyone pay that when you can hunt moose in Idaho for $2000 as a non-resident?
Because the moose hunting in WA is much better if you care about killing a trophy.
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Post by: ShaneTyTrey on April 19, 2012, 01:35:09 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2012, 05:51:19 PM
QuoteBelieve it or not I also think they are worth more than that, heck if they were 3,ooo dollars I would pay for it.
Oh come on, $3000? Why would anyone pay that when you can hunt moose in Idaho for $2000 as a non-resident?
Because the moose hunting in WA is much better if you care about killing a trophy.
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I don't know about that but chances are a person will never get drawn in Washington. In Idaho, from what I've heard, you can expect to draw a moose tag in 5 years or less.
Some draw the first time they ever put in.
I can tell you if a moose tag in this state was $3000 I would not be applying. Not because I think it's not worth it, but because I don't have the money. And I'm sure there would be a lot more people just like me who would not apply at that price.
Post by: DeerThug on April 19, 2012, 06:20:27 PM
Therfore I withdraw from this debate cuz after this I will have my WA trophies on the wall.
Post by: Curly on April 19, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Ok so this is my last year paying for OIL apps... that is because I drew moose two years ago, mtn goat last year and I will draw my sheep tag this year.:yike: Can I give you some money to buy Lotto tickets for me? :)
Therfore I withdraw from this debate cuz after this I will have my WA trophies on the wall.
Congrats on the moose and mtn goat. And congrats on your upcoming sheep hunt....... :tup:
Post by: DeerThug on April 20, 2012, 04:44:39 PM
I am thinking full body mount on a rock cliff over looking the goat.
I can put the cougar across the room like he is preparing for the stalk on both of them. :chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on April 20, 2012, 05:37:13 PM
Post by: DeerThug on April 20, 2012, 06:10:36 PM
Just need the tag..,. :drool:
Post by: Elkstuffer on April 20, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
Post by: DeerThug on April 20, 2012, 06:56:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 20, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
If anyone is going to draw it will be you Victor :)
I wouldn't count Rafflemule out either. :bash:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 02, 2012, 08:01:04 PM