Post by: iceman91m on April 18, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 06:32:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2012, 06:32:28 PM
The only real difference in my opinion, is in recoil. If you want to shoot heavier bullets and recoil doesn't bother you, then go with the 300.
If you'd prefer less recoil go with the 7mm.
You really can't go wrong with either one.
Post by: Huntbear on April 18, 2012, 06:37:58 PM
However, read a something a few years ago.. the .338 shooting the 210 gr. partition flies flatter than a 7 mm mag shooting a 175 gr. bullet... After owning and shooting both calibers, I like the .338. Flat enough to shoot 600 yards easily... enough power to knock an elk flat at that range.
Just something to add to your thinking process......
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2012, 06:41:36 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 18, 2012, 06:44:57 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 18, 2012, 06:47:01 PM
Post by: rbros on April 18, 2012, 07:40:36 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 18, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Post by: iceman91m on April 18, 2012, 08:31:42 PM
Post by: high country on April 18, 2012, 09:08:07 PM
Post by: Alchase on April 19, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
The charts are correct- they are virtually the same.
The only real difference in my opinion, is in recoil. If you want to shoot heavier bullets and recoil doesn't bother you, then go with the 300.
If you'd prefer less recoil go with the 7mm.
You really can't go wrong with either one.
I agree, after I bought my 7mm, I ended up buying a 300 win mag because I could not choose between the calibers. There does seem to be a larger "over the counter" selection of 300 win mag bullets then the 7MM choices though.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on April 19, 2012, 12:27:37 PM
i got rid of that gun because when I would try to eject a round the bolt wouldnt open.
Then you might just want to back off on the power charge then.... :dunno:
-Steve
Post by: coachcw on April 20, 2012, 07:07:45 AM
Post by: rbros on April 20, 2012, 07:42:03 AM
Post by: wraithen on April 20, 2012, 08:36:30 AM
If you are going to be handloading....get a 7RM. Stock up on Retumbo and 180 Bergers. There may be more bullets in 30 cal, but they just aren't as slick as the 7mm's until you get into the 220-230gr bullets, which a WM wouldn't push fast enough to be efficient. In a 30 cal, it takes a large case to beat the 7mm's. Even a 300RUM with 210 bergers vs a 7RM with 180's is a wash ballistically. The RUM does have a little more energy, but not by much and drift and drop are virtually identical. There will be a new player in the 7mm cartridge field soon, but it will be a custom build deal for now. :) More details on that one later.Knowing who you are I'm afraid to ask this but custom as in a little modification or custom as in you're gonna take a 30mm case and smash a 7mm bullet into it
Post by: rbros on April 20, 2012, 08:50:21 AM
By custom, I mean it will be a proprietary case design. Although a mainstream manufacturer has taken an interest, we will have to wait and see how things shake out. We will have dies readily available though and case forming is a breeze.
Post by: iceman91m on April 21, 2012, 11:51:35 AM
I would take a look at your methods....if you are seizing the bolt often, perhaps handloading is not your cup of mustard....and it's gonna take more than a fancy scope to sling 12hundy.
I did do hand loads a few times but it was doing it with factory ammo
Post by: jyerxa on April 21, 2012, 01:38:39 PM
But for us over the counter kind of guys this link is really cool. I have compared so many different rounds and out to 300 yards is really amazing. 06, 7mm, 300 mag etc etc etc. Almost inch per inch are identical.
I shoot a 7mm. I guess I just chew the fat and say mines better. :chuckle:
http://www.winchester.com/learning-center/ballistics-calculator/Pages/ballistics-calculator.aspx
Post by: iceman91m on April 21, 2012, 01:49:46 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 21, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
i thinkin on the 7RM but i do like the selection on 300WM
This kind of discussion always makes me laugh. Does over the counter selection really matter? Its not like you will be switching up every other week. It may take you a couple, maybe three four boxes of ammo before you find which one works the best for your rifle. Unless you hand load, finding a specific factory box that shoots 1/2 moa is not likely to happen. If you are dead set on using factory loads be happy with hitting a softball at 300 yards and call it quits.
There are plenty of selection for both calibers at any sporting good store to accomplish this, having dozens and dozens of different shelf options should not be the determining factor in your choice. :twocents:
Post by: iceman91m on April 21, 2012, 03:59:32 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 21, 2012, 04:07:53 PM
thanks for the insight. im almost dead set on hand loading. have you ever shot bergers? i watch best of the west and long range pursuit alot and they pretty much got me convinced/hooked on berger VLD's
Depending on your twist rate the 168 VLD would be the one I would be going with. :tup:
Post by: iceman91m on April 21, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 21, 2012, 04:28:24 PM
speaking of twist is the higher the better? the one im lookin at is 10
1/10 will work well with the 168, maybe 180 Barnes TSX as well.
Post by: iceman91m on April 21, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 21, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 21, 2012, 07:12:06 PM
thanks for the insight. im almost dead set on hand loading. have you ever shot bergers? i watch best of the west and long range pursuit alot and they pretty much got me convinced/hooked on berger VLD's
so far wev only shot 4 elk and a few deer since we started shooting them in 2010,i would really look at the average range you would be shooting.i think at distances >200 yards the berger would be hard to beet but we had one blow up on rib and didnt get too much penetration on a spike bull at about 60 yards(185gr,30 cal,2820 fps). maybe other people have had different results at close range on critters ? all the other animals shot were further out and died incredibly fast
Post by: iceman91m on April 22, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on April 22, 2012, 05:42:17 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 22, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
i would own a hunting rifle on how flat...sometimes turing turrets isnt a option and u better know your gun and drop rates on the fly...a flat shooting mag is worth its weight in gold out hunting..u can 0 at 250 and be good at to 400 with a mater of inches
agreed but the difference between the 7 mag and 300 mag is very small to 400 yards.
Post by: huntnnw on April 23, 2012, 12:25:09 AM