Post by: Alpinegus on April 24, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
Looking for suggestions on 125 gran broad heads, with replaceable blades.
Any suggestions?
:archery_smiley:
Post by: dreamunelk on April 24, 2012, 09:05:30 PM
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Post by: mallard79 on April 24, 2012, 09:38:23 PM
Post by: Annette on April 24, 2012, 09:55:26 PM
Post by: jechicdr on April 24, 2012, 10:44:28 PM
Bigger surface area blades with blade extending to tip (cut on contact) are going to accentuate tuning and form issues, but you get big holes and lots of penetration, and subsequently better blood trails. Trochar tips with typical triangular replacement blades are going to improve flight performance, but decreased penetration over the cut on contact. Any modifications to the broadhead blades that decreases surface area will make flight more similar to field tips.
If you are in tune and your form is good, you should be able to shoot any broadhead accurately. Since none of us shoot perfectly, the broadhead groups will always be bigger than field tip groups. The worse you shoot, the shorter you should limit yourself on actual shot.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 24, 2012, 11:03:11 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 25, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2012, 12:04:55 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 26, 2012, 09:05:12 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 26, 2012, 09:07:07 AM
Post by: et1702 on April 26, 2012, 09:37:06 AM
Go to a two-blade cut on contact BH and make sure your shooting correct spine shaft. FOC is VERY important too. Anything 12% to 20% FOC should shoot great. I shoot 150gr two-blade, single-bevel BH's and my FOC is 19.5% I also shoot a 29.5"shaft that is 300 spine @ 70lbs & 31" draw. Note: I tried 340 spine before 300 spine arrows, and they just wouldn't fly correctly w/BHs. With the 300 spine, I have same POI as my field points and with the extra FOC, they shoot like darts! The extra FOC will allow the arrow to stabilize faster off the bow (i.e., less archer's Paradox).
My guess is you are shooting a shaft that is too weak and the flex in the shaft (archers paradox) as the arrow is released is more apparent with BH's attached. As someone else mentioned, paper tune first. If you can produce bullet holes (up close and then take a few steps back & repeat), the spine is OK and you have it tuned up. If you are seeing tears and can't get rid of them by adjusting arrow rest and/or nock point, spine is probably too weak.
ET
Post by: Alpinegus on April 26, 2012, 10:29:44 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 26, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 26, 2012, 07:25:37 PM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on April 26, 2012, 07:38:09 PM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on April 26, 2012, 09:01:55 PM
first throw the 125 gr in the GARRRRABAGE :dunno: and get some 100 gr wasp boss .... :yeah: ALL THIS SHOULD GET GOOD NOW :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: 8)I was waiting to hear this one :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 27, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
first throw the 125 gr in the GARRRRABAGE :dunno: and get some 100 gr wasp boss .... :yeah: ALL THIS SHOULD GET GOOD NOW :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: 8)
Oh no you di'int!
Post by: Giggles on May 12, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
Post by: whack em on May 12, 2012, 04:42:39 PM
100 grain slick tricks shoot feild point accurate with no tuning. They're 10 dollars a price but worth the consistent flight patter you get.
I was shooting Muzzy's for years, then got turned into a die hard Slick Trick guy. They fly great with very little tuning (for me of course...every shooter and bow is different). With a 1 1/8" cutting diameter from the Slick Trick Magnums, they are devastating. I really like the bigger wound channel the 4 bladed BH's make, and the blade thickness is greater than the Muzzy's were. Just my two cents.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 12, 2012, 06:31:07 PM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on May 13, 2012, 09:18:24 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 13, 2012, 09:35:31 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 13, 2012, 10:51:34 AM
Post by: bloodhound on May 13, 2012, 10:55:25 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 13, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
a blade broke off on my bull using slick tricks last year. wasnt a fan of that and wont be shooting them anymore. :twocents:
Muzzy is the Only other I have shot. It would have shattered in your bull so compared to that a broken blade is ok. Did your bull die?
Post by: Johnb317 on May 13, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 13, 2012, 05:21:44 PM
He died but it took too long. Recovered him the next morning luckily the meat hadn't spoiled.
Post by: whack em on May 13, 2012, 07:39:49 PM
im curious no one has mentioned blazer vanes. i was shooting 4 inch vanes and wasnt grouping with my bh's as well as i would have liked so i switched to blazers and the difference was astronomical! i wont ever shoot 4 inch vanes again and i shot them for 16 years. with practice tips i didnt notice a difference but when i switched to bh's the improvement was hugely noticeable!
Blazers definately help alot. I've been tinkering with NAP Quickspins, and am finding them tightening my groups even more. I haven't tuned them for 60+ yards shots with broadheads yet, so we'll see.
Post by: slim9300 on May 14, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
100 grain slick tricks shoot feild point accurate with no tuning. They're 10 dollars a price but worth the consistent flight patter you get.
I love my ST's too and have used them for about 5 years now. Killed a ton of elk and deer with them and they are deadly. I practice out to 100 yards with my broadheads and can drill tacks.
I will say that Shuttle T's actually fly a little better but due to the energy my bow creates I like to take advantage of the extra blade cutting. I still get passthroughs on elk the majority of the time and 100% of the time on deer. (My setup makes around 80 ft. lbs. of KE with a 455 grain arrow)
If you are making less than 65 lbs. of KE, try out a Shuttle T. The ST's will work just fine with lower KE setups too, but you asked for the most accurate broadhead out there. (ie. closest to a field tip)
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Post by: slim9300 on May 14, 2012, 09:34:24 PM
im curious no one has mentioned blazer vanes. i was shooting 4 inch vanes and wasnt grouping with my bh's as well as i would have liked so i switched to blazers and the difference was astronomical! i wont ever shoot 4 inch vanes again and i shot them for 16 years. with practice tips i didnt notice a difference but when i switched to bh's the improvement was hugely noticeable!
Blazers definately help alot. I've been tinkering with NAP Quickspins, and am finding them tightening my groups even more. I haven't tuned them for 60+ yards shots with broadheads yet, so we'll see.
Try 4 blazers with your broadheads and you will thank me later. ;)
Nothing shoots like they do at long range.
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Post by: slim9300 on May 14, 2012, 09:44:27 PM
a blade broke off on my bull using slick tricks last year. wasnt a fan of that and wont be shooting them anymore. :twocents:
Between my partner and I, we have killed 13 elk in the last five years with ST's (and a lot of deer). About half of the elk we got second arrows into also. We have not had a single blade break and I have used the same ferrule on 5 animals before it no longer spun true. I think you got really unlucky if that makes you feel better. ST's are probably the most reliable and toughest head on the market.
I'm curious what head you are thinking about going to because I am willing to bet I could direct you to multiple horror stories about it breaking.
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Post by: Instinct on May 14, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
im curious no one has mentioned blazer vanes. i was shooting 4 inch vanes and wasnt grouping with my bh's as well as i would have liked so i switched to blazers and the difference was astronomical! i wont ever shoot 4 inch vanes again and i shot them for 16 years. with practice tips i didnt notice a difference but when i switched to bh's the improvement was hugely noticeable!
Blazers definately help alot. I've been tinkering with NAP Quickspins, and am finding them tightening my groups even more. I haven't tuned them for 60+ yards shots with broadheads yet, so we'll see.
I agree w/ the blazers, first year useing them and love em. Slapped on a muzzy 3 blade 100gr and omg i was impressed how stable they flew after i got the bow sighted in w/ fieldpoints.
Post by: coachcw on May 15, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 15, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
Post by: et1702 on May 15, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
Post by: slim9300 on May 15, 2012, 02:21:06 PM
My buddy last year spined and elk w/four blade Slick tricks (125gr). Did not fully penetrate and busted two of the four blades off. FYI, he was shooting a Mathews M7 at almost 80lbs! I used to shoot Slick tricks too, but penetration isn't as good as some other brands. Buddy still shoots them, but I switched to 150gr single-bevel two-blade Samurai BHs from Alaska Bowhunting. Complete double-lung pass thru on a BIG fatty cow after busting both ribs (near and far side). Plus the single-bevel broadheads continue to rotate as they penetrate. In other words, big hole and easy tracking job! My bow is a Hoyt trykon XL at 70lbs, 31.5" draw and almost 90lbs KE
If you spine an elk you can't expect a passthrough as you already know, but there is no doubt that a 4 blade head will never out penetrate a 2 or 3 blade head of equal cutting diameter. I routinely shoot for the meat of the shoulder on elk and deer to try and shoot out the top of the heart. I still get mostly passthroughs.
As for the blades breaking I wouldn't say that's the fault of the broadhead. I have hit the shoulder bone solid on an elk and buried into the bone up to the insert. Once I got the broadhead out there was no damage. The spine can put side pressure on the blades as it moves and twists. Who knows how that head broke.
This is where I shoot elk. Too many guys are worried about the shoulder in my opinion and don't understand the anatomy of their prey. Too many bowhunters seem to gut shoot elk. It's pretty easy to see why.
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on May 16, 2012, 10:22:24 PM
Post by: slim9300 on May 17, 2012, 09:03:21 AM
sweet picture of that bull... wonder how that happened to him :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
He had a rough day. ;)
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Post by: sagemuley on May 17, 2012, 09:55:17 AM
Post by: kentrek on May 17, 2012, 10:12:24 AM
Nobody shooting G5 montecs? I was given some as a gift this year and planning on trying them out. Thoughts?
i personaly did not like them, my brother and i shot them for two years and then the carbon montecs for another one year. in 6 elk and two deer the majority did not bleed out,the entry holes closed up i gues creating a sort of blood shot goop and shyty blood trails.all but one animal ran over a hundred yards befor crashing(idk if thats a normal distance but so far the slick tricks have done far better)
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on May 17, 2012, 10:40:37 AM
Post by: atfulldraw on May 17, 2012, 11:57:01 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 17, 2012, 12:08:12 PM
You can't go wrong with wac'ems, I shot a cow at 55yds broke 2 ribs with a pass through and still went 2 inches into a tree behind it. I showed it to my buddy and he asked if he could use that same broadhead (he didn't even change the blades) and the next day he shot a cow at 30-40yds it went through the front shoulder 1 rib and somehow popped out the top of its back. :yike:I've shot wac'ems before good head my question is why the hell would your buddy want to shoot a used broadhead that isn't sharp.
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on May 17, 2012, 01:28:36 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 17, 2012, 01:55:51 PM
Nobody shooting G5 montecs? I was given some as a gift this year and planning on trying them out. Thoughts?
I shoot 'em. I sharpen them fast with their sharpener or replace the blades if they get too dinged up. I really like them. The replaceable razors are pretty sturdy.
Post by: Machias on May 17, 2012, 02:41:57 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 17, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
I shoot 175 gr VPA Terminators.
You're a super manly man, though Fred. Not all of us can even hold one of those at full draw without dropping the tip! :yike:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 17, 2012, 03:53:03 PM
Post by: Machias on May 17, 2012, 04:02:19 PM
I shoot 175 gr VPA Terminators.
You're a super manly man, though Fred. Not all of us can even hold one of those at full draw without dropping the tip! :yike:
:chuckle:
Post by: Dr. Death on May 18, 2012, 07:42:16 AM
Post by: AKBowman on May 19, 2012, 03:51:59 PM
Post by: jechicdr on May 21, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
Has anyone ever shot the Muzzy Phantoms? Look pretty sweet especially for a trad setupThat's what I use. I don't go traditional though. Have not gotten a shot at an elk since I switched, but killed couple of deer with it. Switched after losing a blood trail on a wounded elk with traditional trochar tip. It was a good hit but not a complete pass through, but pouring down rain and dark (so much so, that I was walking back to camp in about 6 inches of standing water. I was only 20 yards and so have no doubts about the shot. If I had an exit hole on the other side, then the elk would have gone down quicker and I think I would have been more likely to find her. I figure if I can get a four blade cut on contact to hit, it is going to pass through. Exit hole is always going to bleed more, and two holes is going to bleed more than one, and any major vessels along the path of the cutting blace are going to bleed like stink. There's now a 150 grain version.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 21, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on May 21, 2012, 08:59:38 PM
Post by: jechicdr on May 21, 2012, 09:21:52 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 22, 2012, 08:27:23 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 22, 2012, 08:34:38 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 22, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
If the elk didn't die within 150 yards it wasn't the broadheads fault... if you put any broad head into the lungs the animal will die. I have had passthroughs on elk up to 65 yards with a 100 gr shuttle t on a 365 grain arrow out of a 60 lb bow. Also not had pass through inside 30 yards with same set up. Both elk dead inside 40 yards from hit.
You can also kill one with a .22. That doesn't mean I'm going to use one. I understand you prefer a smaller broadhead. However, I have to compensate for my other shortcomings in life. I use a 125. They fly right, they do lots of damage, and I usually have a plethora of bodily fluids to follow to the downed animal.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 22, 2012, 08:50:46 AM
You can also kill one with a .22. That doesn't mean I'm going to use one. I understand you prefer a smaller broadhead. However, I have to compensate for my other shortcomings in life. I use a 125. They fly right, they do lots of damage, and I usually have a plethora of bodily fluids to follow to the downed animal.can't argue about wanting a bigger hole. And I agree that more blood on the ground is better. My comment was more directed to the case of jechicdr blaming a lost elk on a trocar tip. I have used plenty of heads from muzzy to thunderhead to montec and stingers and shuttle t... nothing had issues killing what I shot at when placement was good.
I will most likely end up shooting 125s next year when I go moose hunting because I want an arrow that weighs 450+ with good foc.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 22, 2012, 10:00:08 AM
You can also kill one with a .22. That doesn't mean I'm going to use one. I understand you prefer a smaller broadhead. However, I have to compensate for my other shortcomings in life. I use a 125. They fly right, they do lots of damage, and I usually have a plethora of bodily fluids to follow to the downed animal.can't argue about wanting a bigger hole. And I agree that more blood on the ground is better. My comment was more directed to the case of jechicdr blaming a lost elk on a trocar tip. I have used plenty of heads from muzzy to thunderhead to montec and stingers and shuttle t... nothing had issues killing what I shot at when placement was good.
I will most likely end up shooting 125s next year when I go moose hunting because I want an arrow that weighs 450+ with good foc.
I'm not sure how long your arrows are, but I'm shooting a 30" Beaman ICS Camo Hunters 340 +/- .003 tolerance. With the 125s, my arrow weight is 472, shooting 62 lbs. The shaft is 10 gr/inch.
Post by: jechicdr on May 23, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
There were a lot of factors involved in that lost elk. After I made the shot and heard the hollow *thwack*, the elk jumped and ran...about 20 yards and laid down. I knew it was a good hit. I did not see that the elk had stopped, as she was on the other side of some thick brush. All I could see at that time was torrents of rain that began to fall shortly after the shot. I waited 15 minutes imagining the blood trail washing away the longer I sat there. First mistake was getting up, but if she had run 75 or 100 yards, my mistake would have been continuing to sit there. When I cleared the brush, she jumped from her bedded position and ran, leaving behind a large puddle of blood in the bed she just vacated. Saw her run another 50 yards before I lost sight of her. At that point, I stopped and waited as I became wetter and wetter with the continued torrent of rain, and darkness falling. Yard by yard, I followed a decent blood trail about 40 yards (by now pitch black outside). I had to touch every drop of rain on every red spot on those darn berry bush leaves to see if it was blood or just a red spot on the leaf. I would lose the trail and backtrack to the last known spot of confirmed blood and return to the search. The blood trail became thicker and I found a bed with a pool of blood in it. Only problem was that the bed was the same place I started originally. I had followed the trail backwards back to my starting point. I had no "visible" landmarks to tell me I was going back over my steps. I attempted to follow the trail again back the other direction and only got 25 yards before I lost the trail again. I resigned to return in the morning when it was light. I walked home in 6 inches of standing water to camp and crawled into the tent. The rain let up a little, long enough for me to get to sleep (which is quite some time when you have just lost an elk). I woke just past midnight with the rain pouring down again just to remind me that any hope of a blood trail still being there would be lost. By morning the sun was shining and the water had mostly seeped into the soil. I returned to the area and found some blood in the bed. I followed my arrows I had stuck in the ground and on occasion would find a small drop of blood either under an overhanging log or on the underside of some of the berry leaves. Once the patch opened up away from the trees and thick brush, not a single drop of blood could be found. I followed the elk trail as it first split into two, then 5, then many trails going through the berry patch cris-crossed with old creek beds and interrupted by strips of trees and bushes, unable to tell which trail would lead to the downed elk. I started tracing increasingly larger circles in the hopes of finding a drop or smear of blood to no avail. There were so many places within a hundred yards where that elk could have gone. It could have fallen 5 yards from many of the spots I was in and I would not have seen her. I searched until about an hour before dark that day and the entire time I was searching was running through the things I could have done differently. The trochar tip was just one of those things. The same shot with a cut on contact with a pass through that evening might have killed the elk a few yards/minutes sooner, made it somewhat easier to track in the dark with pouring rain in a huge thick berry patch that transitioned to very thick forest and a network of trails down any one of which that elk could have gone. I also blamed my headlight, that had enough light to follow a blood trail, but not enough light to see where I was in the big picture, so I invested in a nicer headlight that I save just for tracking game, and use my cheaper headlight for the treks away from and to camp in the dark. I now carry reflective clips and pushpins (pins would have been useless in the berry patch). It was likely a fluke set of circumstances, but it made me consider all the variables that led to losing that elk. If there had been no rain, if it had been earlier in the day, if the blood trail was bigger, if I had not gotten up so soon. I made a lot of changes that day to hopefully prevent that from happening again. If those had been in place that day...who knows.You can also kill one with a .22. That doesn't mean I'm going to use one. I understand you prefer a smaller broadhead. However, I have to compensate for my other shortcomings in life. I use a 125. They fly right, they do lots of damage, and I usually have a plethora of bodily fluids to follow to the downed animal.can't argue about wanting a bigger hole. And I agree that more blood on the ground is better. My comment was more directed to the case of jechicdr blaming a lost elk on a trocar tip. I have used plenty of heads from muzzy to thunderhead to montec and stingers and shuttle t... nothing had issues killing what I shot at when placement was good.
I will most likely end up shooting 125s next year when I go moose hunting because I want an arrow that weighs 450+ with good foc.
Post by: huntnnw on May 24, 2012, 04:56:26 AM
Post by: TommyH on May 24, 2012, 07:30:23 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 24, 2012, 07:39:20 AM
I need to find the pictures of my big bull I shot at 60yrds with a 70# mathews and a 85gr wasp .... blood trail :yike: Well I will just say this ....when I got home that evening I looked at my pants and jacket and their was blood everywhere from me just tracking it ....not counting puddles of blood everywhere....you hit them in the right spot and you have nothen to worry about ....most elk I have shot have died while I was watching them and all with a wasp :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:There were a lot of factors involved in that lost elk. After I made the shot and heard the hollow *thwack*, the elk jumped and ran...about 20 yards and laid down. I knew it was a good hit. I did not see that the elk had stopped, as she was on the other side of some thick brush. All I could see at that time was torrents of rain that began to fall shortly after the shot. I waited 15 minutes imagining the blood trail washing away the longer I sat there. First mistake was getting up, but if she had run 75 or 100 yards, my mistake would have been continuing to sit there. When I cleared the brush, she jumped from her bedded position and ran, leaving behind a large puddle of blood in the bed she just vacated. Saw her run another 50 yards before I lost sight of her. At that point, I stopped and waited as I became wetter and wetter with the continued torrent of rain, and darkness falling. Yard by yard, I followed a decent blood trail about 40 yards (by now pitch black outside). I had to touch every drop of rain on every red spot on those darn berry bush leaves to see if it was blood or just a red spot on the leaf. I would lose the trail and backtrack to the last known spot of confirmed blood and return to the search. The blood trail became thicker and I found a bed with a pool of blood in it. Only problem was that the bed was the same place I started originally. I had followed the trail backwards back to my starting point. I had no "visible" landmarks to tell me I was going back over my steps. I attempted to follow the trail again back the other direction and only got 25 yards before I lost the trail again. I resigned to return in the morning when it was light. I walked home in 6 inches of standing water to camp and crawled into the tent. The rain let up a little, long enough for me to get to sleep (which is quite some time when you have just lost an elk). I woke just past midnight with the rain pouring down again just to remind me that any hope of a blood trail still being there would be lost. By morning the sun was shining and the water had mostly seeped into the soil. I returned to the area and found some blood in the bed. I followed my arrows I had stuck in the ground and on occasion would find a small drop of blood either under an overhanging log or on the underside of some of the berry leaves. Once the patch opened up away from the trees and thick brush, not a single drop of blood could be found. I followed the elk trail as it first split into two, then 5, then many trails going through the berry patch cris-crossed with old creek beds and interrupted by strips of trees and bushes, unable to tell which trail would lead to the downed elk. I started tracing increasingly larger circles in the hopes of finding a drop or smear of blood to no avail. There were so many places within a hundred yards where that elk could have gone. It could have fallen 5 yards from many of the spots I was in and I would not have seen her. I searched until about an hour before dark that day and the entire time I was searching was running through the things I could have done differently. The trochar tip was just one of those things. The same shot with a cut on contact with a pass through that evening might have killed the elk a few yards/minutes sooner, made it somewhat easier to track in the dark with pouring rain in a huge thick berry patch that transitioned to very thick forest and a network of trails down any one of which that elk could have gone. I also blamed my headlight, that had enough light to follow a blood trail, but not enough light to see where I was in the big picture, so I invested in a nicer headlight that I save just for tracking game, and use my cheaper headlight for the treks away from and to camp in the dark. I now carry reflective clips and pushpins (pins would have been useless in the berry patch). It was likely a fluke set of circumstances, but it made me consider all the variables that led to losing that elk. If there had been no rain, if it had been earlier in the day, if the blood trail was bigger, if I had not gotten up so soon. I made a lot of changes that day to hopefully prevent that from happening again. If those had been in place that day...who knows.You can also kill one with a .22. That doesn't mean I'm going to use one. I understand you prefer a smaller broadhead. However, I have to compensate for my other shortcomings in life. I use a 125. They fly right, they do lots of damage, and I usually have a plethora of bodily fluids to follow to the downed animal.can't argue about wanting a bigger hole. And I agree that more blood on the ground is better. My comment was more directed to the case of jechicdr blaming a lost elk on a trocar tip. I have used plenty of heads from muzzy to thunderhead to montec and stingers and shuttle t... nothing had issues killing what I shot at when placement was good.
I will most likely end up shooting 125s next year when I go moose hunting because I want an arrow that weighs 450+ with good foc.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 24, 2012, 08:54:27 AM
Just trying to ruffle some feathers.
Post by: kentrek on May 24, 2012, 09:57:01 AM
If the elk didn't die within 150 yards it wasn't the broadheads fault... if you put any broad head into the lungs the animal will die. I have had passthroughs on elk up to 65 yards with a 100 gr shuttle t on a 365 grain arrow out of a 60 lb bow. Also not had pass through inside 30 yards with same set up. Both elk dead inside 40 yards from hit.
i used to agree with your train of thought,but after the 2010 season i have a new found respect for how tough these animals are. no doubt the animal will die with an arrow in its lungs but if your useing a dull blade and that broad head didnt pass all the way through and isnt tearing things up on the inside i have no doubt an elk can live for quit some time with dull broad head in em,regardless of weight.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 25, 2012, 03:37:01 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 25, 2012, 08:12:47 AM
...no fun! I wanted.to get you wound up about them heads again... :tung:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 27, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on May 27, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
Now everyone knows my opinion and knows what I shoot I will never comment on broadheads again ;) :chuckle: :chuckle: PROMISE !dangit... how is anyone gonna know about the wasp BOSS if your not preachin it. so many animals are gonna be runing around wounded from a lesser broadhead now that your outta the picture. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: windygorge on May 28, 2012, 05:51:44 AM
a blade broke off on my bull using slick tricks last year. wasnt a fan of that and wont be shooting them anymore. :twocents:
Between my partner and I, we have killed 13 elk in the last five years with ST's (and a lot of deer). About half of the elk we got second arrows into also. We have not had a single blade break and I have used the same ferrule on 5 animals before it no longer spun true. I think you got really unlucky if that makes you feel better. ST's are probably the most reliable and toughest head on the market.
I'm curious what head you are thinking about going to because I am willing to bet I could direct you to multiple horror stories about it breaking.
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Post by: windygorge on May 28, 2012, 06:19:49 AM
as for tuning. and to keep it simple, do the bare shaft test. its very reliable and use a shaft alignment tool. (basically a thing that you can roll the arrow on to indicate arrows that are not true and to test if your broad is true). pick your best arrows out of a dozen for hunting and tune them. set them aside for just hunting. use the others for farting around with on the range. :twocents:
Post by: MADMAX on May 28, 2012, 06:32:00 AM
My bull last year was a clean pass through breaking ribs and still buried in a tree, and will use it again this year
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 28, 2012, 06:52:38 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 28, 2012, 07:31:29 AM
Post by: Whitetail freak on June 08, 2012, 10:13:35 PM