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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: plugger on May 01, 2012, 04:13:47 AM

Title: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: plugger on May 01, 2012, 04:13:47 AM: The 2011 harvest reports are posted on WDFW site.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Todd_ID on May 01, 2012, 07:58:45 AM: How would you like to be the 1 guy in the state with 36 quality elk points and not draw the tag you want?
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Rainstorm Hunter on May 01, 2012, 08:21:25 AM: I was looking through the special permit hunts and noticed that it says almost nobody returned hunting reports for them :dunno:
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: CP on May 01, 2012, 08:26:28 AM: Quote from: Rainstorm Hunter on May 01, 2012, 08:21:25 AM
I was looking through the special permit hunts and noticed that it says almost nobody returned hunting reports for them :dunno:

Yep, the data is worst than useless, it’s totally bogus.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Fullabull on May 01, 2012, 08:55:19 AM: There is only one way to fix that....No report, No hunting next year for you!!!!! Or, you don't get to put in for any special hunts the next year :tup:
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: dreamingbig on May 01, 2012, 09:53:01 AM: Quote from: Fullabull on May 01, 2012, 08:55:19 AM
There is only one way to fix that....No report, No hunting next year for you!!!!! Or, you don't get to put in for any special hunts the next year :tup:

But then they wouldn't get their money. I would be all for it but I don't think it will happen for said reason. On second thought, maybe if they allow you to be reinstated after paying $100 fine and submitting the report. :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: wall of wood camp on May 01, 2012, 11:25:58 AM: Don't they already do this on a smaller scale if you dont report by January you have to pay 10 dollar penalty before you can purchase the permits the next year I know I filed my reports. Regardless the reports are still useless as i know of a few people that report being unsuccessful every year regardless of whether or not they harvested an animal. even if 1 in 5 people report this way it will really scue the results and be inaacurate useless information, it only works if everyone reports and everyone is honest which i know is hard to believe but there are a lot of dishonest folks out there.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: royalbull on May 01, 2012, 11:53:15 AM: I think that when you report being unsuccessful when you weren't just tells the game department there is less game therefore they should reduce our opportunities to try to increase the herds
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: rackattack on May 01, 2012, 12:01:16 PM: Quote from: royalbull on May 01, 2012, 11:53:15 AM
I think that when you report being unsuccessful when you weren't just tells the game department there is less game therefore they should reduce our opportunities to try to increase the herds

I think just the opposite. I think they have a pretty good idea of herd sizes already and when they see lower harvest numbers they increase the permits numbers. Look at the St Helens antlerless tags. They've got these numbers way to high and in a few years the herd is going to crash and then there will be a dramatic drop in tags because they over-issued trying for a certain harvest level. :twocents:
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: WenHunter on May 01, 2012, 12:54:36 PM: The Harvest reports are bogus, I just went and looked to see if anyone else got a Cow in the unit I got drawn in, and it says 0 hunters reported, then I went to WDFW site to just double checked that I submitted mine, and sure enough I did, the reports arent accurate at all!!!
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 01, 2012, 03:32:28 PM: I doubt 1 out of 5 don't report or lie probably 1/50 a lot of guys here said they reported but it doesn't show it. Wdfw says they put millions of dollars towards this research an data but they can't enter anyone's report correctly into the thinking box that ensures a paycheck for there incompetent employees. I'd say the woofers that infiltrated the department were assigned this task and failed. Illiterate..... Probably.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2012, 03:37:28 PM: The data showing right now is obviously wrong. I'm sure they're working on it. Many of the permits are now showing more hunters than the number of permits issued.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Special T on May 01, 2012, 03:43:45 PM: If they pay this much attention to detail for thier "statistics" then what does that say about the rest of the decisions they make? Especially the ones using this information?
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Bob33 on May 01, 2012, 03:50:04 PM: Quote from: Special T on May 01, 2012, 03:43:45 PM
If they pay this much attention to detail for thier "statistics" then what does that say about the rest of the decisions they make? Especially the ones using this information?
"0 Wolves". "0 Breeding Pairs"....:yike:
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: npaull on May 01, 2012, 05:33:38 PM: Guys who don't report, or who are found to report dishonestly, shouldn't be able to get a license the next year.

It's unbelievable to me that there exist people who, almost in the same breath, will accuse WDFW of not being able to manage herds well, and then say that they actively lie to them about their hunting activities! It's like they expect WDFW to be perfect DESPITE them!

I'm not saying WDFW is perfect - there are lots of bones to pick with them. But for gods sake be honest in your hunting reports. I don't know what kind of totally twisted backwards logic goes into someone's decision that if they say they are unsuccessful, that will somehow convince WDFW that there should be more opportunities for a given area, or that maybe fewer people will visit their spot. It's just nuts.

Report honestly. Otherwise everything you might say about how hunters contribute to good wildlife management (which is TRUE generally) is an active lie for you personally.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2012, 05:47:21 PM: I would guess that the reason for the problems in the harvest report is that last year was the first year they began having people do a report for both their special permit, and one for their general season tag.

I see the general season deer and elk harvest reports are fine.

So is the moose harvest report. Probably sheep and goat too but I didn't look at them.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Alan K on May 01, 2012, 06:10:35 PM: Quote from: npaull on May 01, 2012, 05:33:38 PM
Guys who don't report, or who are found to report dishonestly, shouldn't be able to get a license the next year.

It's unbelievable to me that there exist people who, almost in the same breath, will accuse WDFW of not being able to manage herds well, and then say that they actively lie to them about their hunting activities! It's like they expect WDFW to be perfect DESPITE them!

I'm not saying WDFW is perfect - there are lots of bones to pick with them. But for gods sake be honest in your hunting reports. I don't know what kind of totally twisted backwards logic goes into someone's decision that if they say they are unsuccessful, that will somehow convince WDFW that there should be more opportunities for a given area, or that maybe fewer people will visit their spot. It's just nuts.

Report honestly. Otherwise everything you might say about how hunters contribute to good wildlife management (which is TRUE generally) is an active lie for you personally.

Well said! I always report honestly. Like you said, how can we expect them to accurately manage our herds with inaccurate data?
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: NoBark on May 01, 2012, 06:32:54 PM: Quote from: WenHunter on May 01, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
The Harvest reports are bogus, I just went and looked to see if anyone else got a Cow in the unit I got drawn in, and it says 0 hunters reported, then I went to WDFW site to just double checked that I submitted mine, and sure enough I did, the reports arent accurate at all!!!

Same here. Interesting. I wonder if they just pushed this out in a hurry or if the systen is really that messed? :dunno:
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2012, 06:38:16 PM: A lot of them also show more hunters than there were permits. Many of them show 100 hunters, and maybe only 1 permit, or 5 or 10. It's like all the data is scrambled together. None of it is right from what I could tell (on the deer and elk special permit hunts).
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Alan K on May 01, 2012, 06:56:54 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 01, 2012, 06:38:16 PM
A lot of them also show more hunters than there were permits. Many of them show 100 hunters, and maybe only 1 permit, or 5 or 10. It's like all the data is scrambled together. None of it is right from what I could tell (on the deer and elk special permit hunts).

I haven't spent a ton of time looking at them, but yeah it's odd that a bunch of them show 100 hunters even. I'd guess there is some sort of glitch going on. Hopefully they get it fixed, I use these quite a bit when considering where to apply!
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2012, 07:37:07 PM: Quote from: Alan K on May 01, 2012, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: bobcat on May 01, 2012, 06:38:16 PM
A lot of them also show more hunters than there were permits. Many of them show 100 hunters, and maybe only 1 permit, or 5 or 10. It's like all the data is scrambled together. None of it is right from what I could tell (on the deer and elk special permit hunts).

I haven't spent a ton of time looking at them, but yeah it's odd that a bunch of them show 100 hunters even. I'd guess there is some sort of glitch going on. Hopefully they get it fixed, I use these quite a bit when considering where to apply!

It changed during the day, this morning most of the elk permits showed zero hunters, some had 1. That changed sometime during the day to much higher numbers, with many of them being 100. So apparently they've been working on it. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. If not maybe we can ask for an extension of the application deadline.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: jechicdr on May 01, 2012, 08:34:42 PM: I think dishonesty could come back and hurt you. Let's say you have a trophy rack from a special hunt or just a general season hunt and...you you lose your tag. What if WDFW for whatever reason was investigating you and find this trophy rack and you reported not having harvested an animal that year. I certainly want a paper trail if I legally harvested a trophy deer.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: wall of wood camp on May 02, 2012, 10:58:30 AM: Good point Bobcat, the reporting was different this year and I have to admit i was a little confused with the report when i filled it out for my elk I was successful with a 6 point bull which required the special permit that overlapped with the general season. the animal was taken on the opening day of the general season but was still covered under the full range of dates of the special permit so i reported it as taken under the special permit season and not the general season. i figured at least it got reported and could be correct either way. I am all for reporting accurately to try and give our game department the best information they can get to try and manage the game regardless of my oppinions on how they can or cant manage it. as far as the harvest reports and using them to determine where to apply for that is the furthest thing from my mind when i apply. I apply for the same areas every year for the pure fact that your odds are increased 100 times if you know the area you hunt and can to some extent pattern the animals you hunt and learn their behaviors and tendencies escape routes, travel patterns. To put in for permits in an area i know little to nothing about because the success ratios appeard to be good according to a questionalble statisitcal report is just crazy in my mind. Dont suggest extensions on the submittal date 30 days is plenty the sooner we put in the sooner we get the results and can use the time on the otherside of the drawing to start scouting and preparing for whichever permit we may be lucky enough to get drawn for.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Mr Mykiss on May 03, 2012, 07:49:26 AM: Um... I looked up my hunt (which I reported for) and the numbers said two 1 points were harvested... should be at least one 6+ point. :dunno:
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Bob33 on May 03, 2012, 07:57:20 AM: Still not right. I looked up one hunt I'm familiar with:

Permits issued: 10
Reports returned: 8
Hunters: 80
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: trophyhunt on May 03, 2012, 07:59:08 PM: Just look at the number of guys with 14 or more points that didn't draw, and one guy had 36 points without drawing. Blah blah blah, I know it's a lottery draw......this drawing system sucks a ss. In Wyoming a certain percentage of tags go to guys that have max points then the rest get put in a drawing for everyone else. I think that is much better, same gripe I've had for many years. Yup it's that time of year to hear me b itch again, sorry guys.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: trophyhunt on May 03, 2012, 08:04:52 PM: The report is hard to find, could one of you guys put the link on this page to make it easier for boneheads like me?? And just to let guys know how to look up the number of guys with how many points they had, you have to click on the small print at the bottom of the page of each species your looking at. I believe it says something about pdf file, it's pretty interesting to see how many guys have the same amount of points as yourself.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: d_wilson on May 03, 2012, 08:41:38 PM: Just looked at those. Now I'm depressed.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2012, 09:51:34 PM: Looks like they got the deer and elk special permit reports fixed. All the data now makes sense. I've got some studying to do now.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Fireant11 on May 04, 2012, 09:58:26 AM: Elk special permits is worthless! They lump all the weapons types together. Can't tell how archery did by themselves, muzzy or firearm.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: Harborhunter on May 04, 2012, 10:08:23 AM: Look them up under hunt name and number, you can look up each hunt and their stats there.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: plugger on May 04, 2012, 04:33:46 PM: Just go to the WDFW home page, go to hunting, go to game management and you will find the link there. I actually think the reports help in chosing with tag to apply for, You have to figure some is BS but it does give you an idea what is beeing taken as far as mature bulls. Some of those any bull hunts there are a lot of rag horn some hunt there are a good percentage of 5 and 6's taken. Any reserch is good reserch in my oppinion
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: dreamingbig on May 05, 2012, 04:16:26 PM: Checkout pmu 35 for elk. I elk harvested in bumping for archery and only 15 total and no cows. Still doesn't smell right to me. They gave out 30 cow permits for mf/muzzle and no one harvested?
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: bobcat on May 05, 2012, 04:31:25 PM: You talking the general season report or the special permit report? The general shows 147 elk killed in PMU 35.

If you look at the combined general season and special permit report, it shows 221 elk taken out of PMU 35.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: steen on May 05, 2012, 07:42:13 PM: I have always reported my kills. One year I was charged the $10 and couldn't figure out why. This year I figured it out. I did not call in my permit tag for cougar in the Dayton unit in the 2010 season. Never knew you had to do the permit separetly. I saw it in the regs this year for the first time but never saw how to do it on the web sight for reporting. There must be a secret hidden way to do it. This year I can visably see it in the regs on every permit draw page.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: bobcat on May 05, 2012, 07:58:16 PM: A report is not required for cougar unless you harvest one.
Title: Re: 2011 harvest reports
Post by: dreamingbig on May 05, 2012, 11:52:02 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 05, 2012, 04:31:25 PM
You talking the general season report or the special permit report? The general shows 147 elk killed in PMU 35.

If you look at the combined general season and special permit report, it shows 221 elk taken out of PMU 35.

I was looking at general season elk. It didn't bring up the numbers you quoted. I will check again.