Post by: CP on May 02, 2012, 11:13:39 AM
Post by: BigTines on May 02, 2012, 11:22:07 AM
Post by: lokidog on May 02, 2012, 01:08:26 PM
Post by: zackmioli on May 02, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
Post by: smdave on May 02, 2012, 03:25:19 PM
I could buy a lot of beef for the $400.00 to $500.00 easy it costs me to hunt every year.
Hunting is my addiction I like and choose to spend my money on it. I don't got to the bar I don't smoke.
Post by: doyourtime89 on May 02, 2012, 03:55:03 PM
Post by: CP on May 02, 2012, 04:39:21 PM
Yeah I am in too, I am going to be hunting in an area where they are giving out 2nd deer tags anyway. So why not have another tag in my pocket for some more meat. And it shouldn't be $13.20 plus....it isn't a quality special permit...so it will only cost $7.10 not $13.20 to put in for it.
My bad, you're correct. It's $6.60 to apply. + the dealer fee = $7.10
Post by: Jason on May 02, 2012, 05:36:22 PM
yep, not happy about it but i need and want the extra meat.:yeah:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 02, 2012, 06:06:50 PM
Post by: Rainstorm Hunter on May 02, 2012, 06:42:49 PM
Post by: Ripper on May 02, 2012, 08:46:49 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 02, 2012, 08:58:32 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 02, 2012, 09:42:33 PM
They make you pick a second instead of point...Can you clarify what you are saying about having to "pick a second"?
Post by: bobcat on May 02, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
Any 2nd deer that's a gimme hunt is an average of 5 at least for blacktail. I think the black tail suffer the most from wdfws horrible manegment techniques. I would never spend two three four years putting in for that crap. 7.10 x let's say three so three years from now when the price of the 2nd deer tag is 100+. I'll. Ill be 121.30 into a blacktail doe. Plus expenses for travel and such.... No thank you wdfw take your 2nd permit and stuff it. Hopefully people quit buying such crap one day so they step up the quality and number of hunts. Five western archery choices for quality elk four blow. They make you pick a second instead of point an waste what for some has taken years to acquire for there quality hunt its a scam all of it.
:yike: Slow down! It's obvious this subject flusters you! But if you want us to understand, slow down, use more punctuation, and more words. I have no clue what you just wrote. :chuckle:
Post by: NWBREW on May 03, 2012, 12:42:01 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 03, 2012, 04:45:27 AM
Any 2nd deer that's a gimme hunt is an average of 5 at least for blacktail. I think the black tail suffer the most from wdfws horrible manegment techniques. I would never spend two three four years putting in for that crap. 7.10 x let's say three so three years from now when the price of the 2nd deer tag is 100+. I'll. Ill be 121.30 into a blacktail doe. Plus expenses for travel and such.... No thank you wdfw take your 2nd permit and stuff it. Hopefully people quit buying such crap one day so they step up the quality and number of hunts. Five western archery choices for quality elk four blow. They make you pick a second instead of point an waste what for some has taken years to acquire for there quality hunt its a scam all of it.
:yike: Slow down! It's obvious this subject flusters you! But if you want us to understand, slow down, use more punctuation, and more words. I have no clue what you just wrote. :chuckle:
:chuckle: Just read it slower, bobcat. Envision the correct punctuation and it makes perfect sense. :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 03, 2012, 06:18:09 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on May 03, 2012, 06:24:18 AM
Post by: CP on May 03, 2012, 07:12:53 AM
So I just am wondering for clarification. If you draw a second deer tag, say a doe tag where you buck hunt. You can pop a doe on day one and continue to hunt for your buck? Or does the second doe tag only apply after you've shot your buck?
You can take the 2 deer in either order, doesn’t matter. Or both at the same time if you can pull that off.
Post by: bucksandbulls on May 03, 2012, 08:43:17 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 03, 2012, 09:09:16 AM
Post by: lokidog on May 03, 2012, 09:09:42 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on May 03, 2012, 09:40:36 AM
So I just am wondering for clarification. If you draw a second deer tag, say a doe tag where you buck hunt. You can pop a doe on day one and continue to hunt for your buck? Or does the second doe tag only apply after you've shot your buck?
You can take the 2 deer in either order, doesn’t matter. Or both at the same time if you can pull that off.
You must follow the season of the 2nd deer permit.... Not all of them are during the general or late season..... And this is one less permit I'll be buying this year...
Post by: RB on May 03, 2012, 09:55:43 AM
If I am going to be in the same area hunting bucks anyway why not have an opportunity to bag two Deer?
Post by: Nape.257 on May 03, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Post by: Alaska316 on May 08, 2012, 10:30:08 PM
Post by: Nilehunter on May 09, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 09, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Post by: DUGANDEER on May 09, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
It's over 100 after you put in an average of five years just like the regs say average points used. By then with inflation a second deer tag will be 140. Plus the five years you put in. Then everything one needs to go hunt. That 70 dollar deer just cost you 350 +. Do you think it's a guarantee draw? Not by any means. The lowest average point for any blacktail unit for second deer is 4. Besides the islands that are kind of for residents out there. A blackie doe isn't worth 350 to me. If I go east for a big muley you can add a few hundred more on it. So what I did was take my money elsewhere. Theres other stores to shop from. Their products are better.
Don't put in then.
Post by: seth30 on May 09, 2012, 07:50:24 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 09, 2012, 08:03:29 PM
This sounds like when my brother told me how much money I am wasting to fish Alaska. I bring back 200lbs of fillet salmon and Halibut. Price, 3000$ for two people. The memories I have from doing it, priceless. If you're a hunter and enjoying doing it. Then you're not going to bitch and complain about it. Yes, we're spending lots of money to hunt Washington. But you don't have to do it. If this is your only other complaint besides gas prices when you wake up. Feel very fortunate........ :twocents::yeah:
Post by: doyourtime89 on May 09, 2012, 08:21:36 PM
It's over 100 after you put in an average of five years just like the regs say average points used. By then with inflation a second deer tag will be 140. Plus the five years you put in. Then everything one needs to go hunt. That 70 dollar deer just cost you 350 +. Do you think it's a guarantee draw? Not by any means. The lowest average point for any blacktail unit for second deer is 4. Besides the islands that are kind of for residents out there. A blackie doe isn't worth 350 to me. If I go east for a big muley you can add a few hundred more on it. So what I did was take my money elsewhere. Theres other stores to shop from. Their products are better.
Don't put in then.
:yeah:
Post by: Special T on May 09, 2012, 08:36:57 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 09, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
It's over 100 after you put in an average of five years just like the regs say average points used. By then with inflation a second deer tag will be 140. Plus the five years you put in. Then everything one needs to go hunt. That 70 dollar deer just cost you 350 +. Do you think it's a guarantee draw? Not by any means. The lowest average point for any blacktail unit for second deer is 4. Besides the islands that are kind of for residents out there. A blackie doe isn't worth 350 to me. If I go east for a big muley you can add a few hundred more on it. So what I did was take my money elsewhere. Theres other stores to shop from. Their products are better.
Don't put in then.
I didn't. But I did spend 69.00 on apps for every other hunt. It's easy to say don't put in. You have no argument about the price. So idaho would only cost me 450 + expenses. Let's say I go with a friend. Another 350 for fuel and I'm there! This state is a scam for hunting we all know it. Some just won't accept it. The price is not the problem its the quality of game. The amount of access. The numbers afield are crazy. As mentioned before. But the rich man moves to wy while we pay what we have to to do what we love. I'll gladly pay idaho non res price for their quality of hunting. At this rate of inflation on tags my son won't be able to afford to hunt. I won't watch that happen. All you that say its ok we owe it to them and all that BS need to consider what your family will be paying to hunt in the near future. Or if they'll be paying at all or hunting at all. Hunting has become a lotto for the department. We don't owe them.
Post by: steen on May 09, 2012, 09:24:22 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 10, 2012, 08:38:55 AM
If I can hunt a doe during my regular season in the unit I am hunting in, yeah that! It is better than the doe hunt options, Island deer or travel all the way to eastern wa just for a doe. Extra gas for a special trip/ferry or shoot one in the unit you are hunting a buck, duh! :twocents:
What unit is that? All west blackie units are about a five year wait. So in five years yeah for 350 + yeah doe/buck hunt it is. Have fun with that.
Post by: wannahunt on May 11, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Post by: Chesapeake on May 12, 2012, 08:45:58 PM
As far as the price. Your going to pay for entertainment one way or another. Might just as well have that entertainment be hunting.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 15, 2012, 10:37:02 AM
I am willing but not putting in for it. If there was a second deer hunt available in one of my hunting areas I would. Not gonna go learn a new area for a doe.
I put in for a 2nd deer tag for just that reason. Just moved to Yelm, and will be trying to learn a new area this year anyway, so I figured the added chance of tipping over an extra doe if I draw was worth the extra, besides...can't have too much sausage, can you :dunno: ?
Post by: Glockster on May 15, 2012, 11:20:12 AM
However, it comes at the state's expense of me not contributing $500 to the economy hunting eastern Wa mod fire elk, and they will kill the other $400 or so i used to spend annually on saltwater fishing and crabbing in this state.
That $900 plus gas and loding $ will go to Montana this fall.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 15, 2012, 02:47:09 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 15, 2012, 02:55:13 PM
Post by: Glockster on May 15, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on May 15, 2012, 03:24:31 PM
I believe the 200%+ increase in price will result if fewer successful applicants actually buying the extra tag. They will draw, and then decide not to pay the extra $68 to get it which means the permit will be wasted. One more unintended consequence of these types of changes.
:yeah: The second antlerless deer tags used to be a lot of fun with friends filling the freezers on local ranchers deer herds. Those fun days are over, because none of us are going to spend the fees to apply, and if successful, pay for the second tag. Over $70 for a second doe tag in your home state is borderline retarded. A 200+% increase? Pathetic............WDFW at its finest.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 15, 2012, 04:02:17 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 15, 2012, 04:50:48 PM
Post by: steen on May 15, 2012, 06:28:34 PM
I don't know how you put up someone's response but we would hunt alta for a mulie and 2nd deer would be a whitetail doe. Just need to know the right person and I'm sure it is not a sure shot. The 2nd deer tag may be easier to get. I just love hunting mulies, like hiking the country, the whitetail doe is meat in the freezer.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi757.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx215%2Fsteen_photos%2FEastern%2520Wa%2520trips%2FIMG_0238.jpg&hash=e01f6086b357f2884f8ea5054c79c9e7315d8755)
And the camping arangments difficult :chuckle:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi757.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx215%2Fsteen_photos%2FEastern%2520Wa%2520trips%2FIMG_0260.jpg&hash=32f699b73a8790c1edba8ed8c782da1576501d3f) :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 16, 2012, 12:33:12 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 08:45:33 AM
Post by: Glockster on May 16, 2012, 10:28:31 AM
I just don't feel as rich as I do here in WA when I apply out of state.
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 16, 2012, 11:31:30 AM
So would I!!! But not for a three year wait and 350+!!!!! IT'S NOT 68 DOLLARS. Please read entire posts before yappin. I don't want to break it down again for the fOurth time. It's a lot more than 68 for a doe. Im moving to Wyoming this state has to many people that are just fine with being banged by the man (no lube). Do the math shop around the Internet is amazing. To all that think it's ok that we pay so much here for our great hunting we have. Order regs from Idaho and Montana and WY then you will see how truly crappy our state is. If you don't Oder the regs or at least read them,don't reply to my comment please.
I would still do it, before running your suck. Don't make the mistake of assuming we have the same value system. Feel free to " Break it down " as many times as you please. Wyoming sounds like a great place for you. :tup:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on May 16, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
I didn't know it was 200% holy hel! It makes the "if you don't like it don't buy it" guys look extra stuuupid . They must be rich!who knew after all this time drawing last year with one point to draw a 2nd deer tag for mulies and i didnt even know i was a wealthy man because i paid around 130 dollars for a whole deer after everything. :'(
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 16, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
I didn't know it was 200% holy hel! It makes the "if you don't like it don't buy it" guys look extra stuuupid . They must be rich!who knew after all this time drawing last year with one point to draw a 2nd deer tag for mulies and i didnt even know i was a wealthy man because i paid around 130 dollars for a whole deer after everything. :'(
:tup: Like the old WA State Lottery commercials used to say. " Some lucky dogs going to win it "
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 08:08:01 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 16, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
I have put in for 2nd deer the last 2 years and drew it both times. Once in e-wa and once on the west side. I will virtually guarantee you that if I put in for 2nd deer on the westside in the same unit I did last year I will draw it again this year, then again next year and then the year after that.If I can hunt a doe during my regular season in the unit I am hunting in, yeah that! It is better than the doe hunt options, Island deer or travel all the way to eastern wa just for a doe. Extra gas for a special trip/ferry or shoot one in the unit you are hunting a buck, duh! :twocents:
What unit is that? All west blackie units are about a five year wait. So in five years yeah for 350 + yeah doe/buck hunt it is. Have fun with that.
I am not putting in for it this year as I don't plan to have time to take advantage of it this year. Too many friends will draw permits that I will help on, plus the permits I will draw for myself.
:tup: :tup:
Post by: jackelope on May 16, 2012, 08:55:11 PM
So would I!!! But not for a three year wait and 350+!!!!! IT'S NOT 68 DOLLARS. Please read entire posts before yappin. I don't want to break it down again for the fOurth time. It's a lot more than 68 for a doe. Im moving to Wyoming this state has to many people that are just fine with being banged by the man (no lube). Do the math shop around the Internet is amazing. To all that think it's ok that we pay so much here for our great hunting we have. Order regs from Idaho and Montana and WY then you will see how truly crappy our state is. If you don't Oder the regs or at least read them,don't reply to my comment please.I will do the math again. I am 100% successful drawing 2nd deer tags 2 years in a row. Westside and eastside. I don't know where you're getting your logic from that it takes $350+ to draw a 2nd deer tag.
Post by: jackelope on May 16, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
If I can hunt a doe during my regular season in the unit I am hunting in, yeah that! It is better than the doe hunt options, Island deer or travel all the way to eastern wa just for a doe. Extra gas for a special trip/ferry or shoot one in the unit you are hunting a buck, duh! :twocents:
What unit is that? All west blackie units are about a five year wait. So in five years yeah for 350 + yeah doe/buck hunt it is. Have fun with that.
Wrong.
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 16, 2012, 09:06:47 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 16, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 10:21:11 PM
Its too soon after the permit system change to worry about how many points it took people to draw. The first year it probably says it took a lot of guys 15 points to draw those permits....when they split them up and everyone had all their points in all their categories. A guy with 15 points put in for his 2nd doe tags with 15 points...that blows your average right there.
:yeah: There are a LOT of people with 15 or more points in the 2nd deer permit category, ridiculous as that may seem.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:22:28 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:24:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 10:25:10 PM
I said it many times already, and I'll say it again, it's a great permit to put your kid in for, because the youth price is only $22.
So just think of it as a special YOUTH permit. NOT meant for adults.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 16, 2012, 10:31:01 PM
140 for fuel to the yuppie hippie islands another 76.60 + dealer fee that's 216.60. Then don't forget to even be applicable for the drawing you need a 44.90 deer license. Thats 260.00 snacks for the kid an some chew for dad. I'd spend 350.00 easy as hel! On that trip and that's the only garauntee draw. The others yeah 200.00 might cut the bill being closer but at 2.5% chance of drawing to spend 200.00 dollars on a doe... If you need me to explain the 200.00 or 300.00 in costs again then there's no helping your kind. Stay up north please.
I spend $300 on gas almost every time I go deer hunting and I literally love every second of it. I call it a welcome getaway. You will never hear me bitch about spending money on gas to go east to go deer hunting. If it's a problem for me to spend money on fuel...I will just stay here "up north" and hunt around here if I have to...in the north country? I have no need to come south so I'll do what I can to keep "my kind" "up north".
Post by: Bob33 on May 16, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
Only gullible adults and rich kids. I remember in 2005 I think it was the guy at big five offered a second deer tag for 22.00 good for my buddies previous selected weapon choice and good all season buck doe whatever was open. A lot changed in a short time is all I'm saying.Your friend at Big Five was mistaken. In 2005 the second deer permits were actually $21.90, but were not good for an entire season. They were only available for specific permits hunts as they are today, and there were far fewer. Here's the permits that were available in 2005:
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:36:52 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 10:40:05 PM
Only gullible adults and rich kids. I remember in 2005 I think it was the guy at big five offered a second deer tag for 22.00 good for my buddies previous selected weapon choice and good all season buck doe whatever was open. A lot changed in a short time is all I'm saying.Your friend at Big Five was mistaken. In 2005 the second deer permits were actually $21.90, but were not good for an entire season. They were only available for specific permits hunts as they are today, and there were far fewer. Here's the permits that were available in 2005:
Maybe it was a few years before that but it was a genral tag. I thought they threw it in there the option to buy it a few years I'm not sure as I didn't get my hunters Ed till 06.
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 16, 2012, 10:47:54 PM
How did I know. :chuckle: I understand you point jack I love saving all my money all year just to spend thousands on fuel and tags and fun with friends and family. No beetchin about it on hunt wa won't help. But taking it no lube with no push back will only make them f us more. Prices, access all of it discover my ass.
Just E-Mail them and ask if they will provide lube? Maybe that will help? :chuckle: In today's world, pretty much no matter what the sport or hobby. You have to PAY to play. It was better when you could staple the cash to the cow permit application when you mailed it in. ;)
Post by: Bob33 on May 16, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
I don't see 2nd deer permits appearing until 2004. Before that, I don't see any reference to second deer tags at all. Here's the language from the 2000 regulations for deer:Only gullible adults and rich kids. I remember in 2005 I think it was the guy at big five offered a second deer tag for 22.00 good for my buddies previous selected weapon choice and good all season buck doe whatever was open. A lot changed in a short time is all I'm saying.Your friend at Big Five was mistaken. In 2005 the second deer permits were actually $21.90, but were not good for an entire season. They were only available for specific permits hunts as they are today, and there were far fewer. Here's the permits that were available in 2005:
Maybe it was a few years before that but it was a genral tag. I thought they threw it in there the option to buy it a few years I'm not sure as I didn't get my hunters Ed till 06.
Bag Limit: One deer per hunter during the 2000 hunting season. (Only one big game license with a deer tag option may be purchased per hunter per year, with the exception of raffle permittees.)
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2012, 10:52:32 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 16, 2012, 11:02:53 PM
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 17, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
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Post by: PA BEN on May 18, 2012, 05:29:19 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on May 18, 2012, 09:10:49 AM
At 4.45 a gl for gas I plan on hunting closer to home, so no second deer tag for me. If it was out the back door like it was when I lived overthere I would put in.
I'm pretty much in the same boat.... I'm already making at least 2 trips for deer and elk..... Not including if I draw any special permits.... Might have to cancel a trip if I do..... So as of now I couldn't justify even the permit app....
Post by: buckman202 on May 18, 2012, 09:41:20 AM
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