Post by: Bean Counter on May 03, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
Post by: Mudman on May 03, 2012, 04:04:03 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on May 03, 2012, 04:20:17 PM
Post by: Mudman on May 03, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
Post by: fishinmike on May 03, 2012, 05:02:16 PM
Sweet! Early cow estrus calls.:tup:
Post by: Fullabull on May 03, 2012, 05:04:10 PM
But, early season with little pressure on private land could be good also...
Glad I do not have your decision..... NOT!!!!!!
Post by: bloodhound on May 03, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on May 03, 2012, 05:34:26 PM
I was thinking to hunt during the muzzle loader season so I could hunt with the landowner (him a muzzy and me a bow). He doesnt do archery. I want to have to crawl around and call the big one in. is the season for that in mid Sept or early Oct?
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2012, 05:42:56 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 03, 2012, 05:55:07 PM
13 days to hunt during rut/pre rut is better than 6 days to hunt after PEAK rut.
Post by: Fullabull on May 03, 2012, 05:57:17 PM
ML season: Cows that were not bred during their first estrus cycle will again come into a second cycle 20 days or so after their first. This happens during the first couple weeks of October so there will still be Bulls looking for these cows and will be more likely to respond to calls which is your best way to locate them while hunting.
I have a multi season tag this year so if I do not score during early season, I will probably hunt with a bow during ML and see what it is like.
Post by: Mudman on May 03, 2012, 05:58:50 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 03, 2012, 06:19:36 PM
OK...no pressure... Early season archery starts very early this year. The bulls will not be in the rut but will start looking for cows and may come into calls to check out who you are (probably silently). There will be no screaming bulls looking to challenge or fight, just kind of getting ready for the show in late September.In my opinion (experience) a cow has her first estrous cycle in late August, but only a few get bred, the Pre-rut begins, a few more cows come into estrous....
ML season: Cows that were not bred during their first estrus cycle will again come into a second cycle 20 days or so after their first. This happens during the first couple weeks of October so there will still be Bulls looking for these cows and will be more likely to respond to calls which is your best way to locate them while hunting.
I have a multi season tag this year so if I do not score during early season, I will probably hunt with a bow during ML and see what it is like.
What most people think of as "The Rut" is actually "PEAK RUT" where the largest percentage of the cows are in estrous AT THE SAME TIME, but most of those are in their second cycle, and late born cows, and first year calves are also in, that is why it can get crazy !! imagine how calm you are when you only have one "mate" to chose from, and then the difference when there are dozens, that is why the last part of September is "The Peak Rut", there will still be unbred cows (in a healthy herd) when the cows come into their THIRD cycle in October, and it can drag out in areas with low Bull/cow ratios into November with a FOURTH estrous.
It can sometimes be easier to call in a bull during the early (or Pre) rut, because they are more willing to travel for a "little sumpin, sumpin", but when they have their harem, and 4-5 cows are either coming into, or are in estrous, why would he leave to go chase a peice of "strange" ? :dunno: I mean would you leave a sure thing, for a possible ? especially when you know if you leave, that A-hole that has been hanging around is gonna sneak on in and take your place ?
Even though the "peak rut" can be a blast, most bulls actually get harvested early in the rut, and cows during, as a lot of hunters do not have the patience to passa "sure thing" for a "possible" either... :twocents:
Post by: Mudman on May 03, 2012, 06:28:03 PM
Post by: bucklucky on May 03, 2012, 06:35:43 PM
I highly reccomend reading this article, its very imformative and from what I have seen and experianced spot on.
http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/elk-rut.html
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 03, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
But I have to say, we are talking about Roosevelt Elk, most of those studies are done on Rocky Mountain... :dunno:
Even though the article supports my position fairly well. :tup:
Post by: Bean Counter on May 03, 2012, 09:40:52 PM
Sounds like September it is. I'll probably hunt the last seven days of the early season.
Post by: billdo5 on May 07, 2012, 10:32:07 PM
The elk will still be in the late run during ML season so If I could hunt private land, I just might choose that with bow. Make sure you are good with your calls though... :tup:
But, early season with little pressure on private land could be good also...
Glad I do not have your decision..... NOT!!!!!!
The season over here on the westside is getting pushed back.. i would go muzzloader with a bow because they will be in the rut way more... im doing archery but my dad is doing muzzloader with a bow so i can just call for him and not compete
Post by: billdo5 on May 07, 2012, 10:38:44 PM
OK...no pressure... Early season archery starts very early this year. The bulls will not be in the rut but will start looking for cows and may come into calls to check out who you are (probably silently). There will be no screaming bulls looking to challenge or fight, just kind of getting ready for the show in late September.Also u dont know when the bulls will be screaming... little bit of cold weather could flip the switch and start the bulls to start screaming. i Have seen in happen in the bethel unit last year. when my dad got his bull in 2010 in GMU 652 (6x6 bull) they were screaming, but it was in a high concentrated area of elk where there was a lot of competition for cows.
ML season: Cows that were not bred during their first estrus cycle will again come into a second cycle 20 days or so after their first. This happens during the first couple weeks of October so there will still be Bulls looking for these cows and will be more likely to respond to calls which is your best way to locate them while hunting.
I have a multi season tag this year so if I do not score during early season, I will probably hunt with a bow during ML and see what it is like.
Post by: family hunter on May 14, 2012, 02:48:20 PM
you may wana check yer rules because i am sure that you can not dow grade wepons during ML season the only down grading that may be done is during rifle season just check it out but i am 90% positiveOK...no pressure... Early season archery starts very early this year. The bulls will not be in the rut but will start looking for cows and may come into calls to check out who you are (probably silently). There will be no screaming bulls looking to challenge or fight, just kind of getting ready for the show in late September.Also u dont know when the bulls will be screaming... little bit of cold weather could flip the switch and start the bulls to start screaming. i Have seen in happen in the bethel unit last year. when my dad got his bull in 2010 in GMU 652 (6x6 bull) they were screaming, but it was in a high concentrated area of elk where there was a lot of competition for cows.
ML season: Cows that were not bred during their first estrus cycle will again come into a second cycle 20 days or so after their first. This happens during the first couple weeks of October so there will still be Bulls looking for these cows and will be more likely to respond to calls which is your best way to locate them while hunting.
I have a multi season tag this year so if I do not score during early season, I will probably hunt with a bow during ML and see what it is like.
Post by: SniperDanWA on May 14, 2012, 03:38:06 PM
Pg 47, Archery only
Pg 48, muzzle or archery
Post by: aspshannon on May 16, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 16, 2012, 10:47:55 PM
Finally an article that supports both science and experience. Bottom line is its going to happen in mid september... regardless of moon phase, weather or opinion. Rosies and Rockies alike... Horns harden.....cows are bred......calves are born.:yeah:
But would you rather show up while the band is playing, or be the one sneaking off with a few cows.. ? :dunno:
I still say anytime the weather cooperates from August until October, your only excuse for not being able to locate elk, is lack of ....
I can ALWAYS find them, I just cannot always "seal the deaL' because of my own limitations, and reluctance to take anything other than a 100% shot, I just like hunting, killing is a bonus !!
Post by: grundy53 on May 17, 2012, 05:38:49 AM
They changed that rule this year.you may wana check yer rules because i am sure that you can not dow grade wepons during ML season the only down grading that may be done is during rifle season just check it out but i am 90% positiveOK...no pressure... Early season archery starts very early this year. The bulls will not be in the rut but will start looking for cows and may come into calls to check out who you are (probably silently). There will be no screaming bulls looking to challenge or fight, just kind of getting ready for the show in late September.Also u dont know when the bulls will be screaming... little bit of cold weather could flip the switch and start the bulls to start screaming. i Have seen in happen in the bethel unit last year. when my dad got his bull in 2010 in GMU 652 (6x6 bull) they were screaming, but it was in a high concentrated area of elk where there was a lot of competition for cows.
ML season: Cows that were not bred during their first estrus cycle will again come into a second cycle 20 days or so after their first. This happens during the first couple weeks of October so there will still be Bulls looking for these cows and will be more likely to respond to calls which is your best way to locate them while hunting.
I have a multi season tag this year so if I do not score during early season, I will probably hunt with a bow during ML and see what it is like.
Post by: billdo5 on May 17, 2012, 10:56:03 AM