Post by: Cap.Silver on May 06, 2012, 09:34:27 PM
what would be a better round ? 308 ,30-06 ....is there universal round for elk and deer ?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 06, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
Post by: Curly on May 06, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
300WM, I use over 80gr of H1000 and 168 gr Barnes TSX or 180gr Hornady or Speer bullets.
As far as the better round between 308 and 30-06...........the 06 has a little more speed and is probably a better all around cartridge. 165gr bullets in .308 or 30-06 is fairly standard.
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 06, 2012, 10:49:03 PM
I would take the 06 over a .308 every time and a .300 Win mag over the two if it were a option. You can load the .300 down to 06 velocities but you can't load the 06 up. ;)
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.300 Win Mag. RL-22 and a 165 Ballistic tip for plinking, coyotes and Rockchucks. I run the same load with 165gr Nosler Accubonds for big game, they shoot same point of impact. I like the 165's because you get more speed (Flatter shooting) than the 180's and every deer I have shot with the 165's was dead on the spot as with the 180's. Here are some groups with RL-22 and the 165's.
The .300 Win Mag is a cartridgenthat likes to be pushed , it performs best at it's upper velocities. It is a very forgiving cartridge to load for. It's hard to get loads that won't shoot in a quality rifle. It likes being loaded into the lands, just kissing them and will shoot just as well with 40 thou plus jump. It's a great cartridge, one of my favorites as is the .375 H&H and the 7x57. :tup:
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The target bellow was shot at 400 yards from the prone, with a 300 yards zero. I was checking my real world drop from my 300 yard zero at 400 yards. It was spot on with my ExBall ballistics program. My aiming point was center of the orange. There was a slight right to left breeze but not enough to matter if I was shooting at a deer, so I didn't add any wind dope on the scope.
I'm liking those CCI 250 more and more over the Federal 215 matches everyday and I've been pretty much shooting the 215's exclusively in my magnums for 15 or so years.
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Post by: ELKBURGER on May 07, 2012, 06:09:20 AM
Post by: wsmnut on May 07, 2012, 06:56:06 AM
59.7 gr. H4831sc
Barnes 130 TTSX
.055 off the lands
Federal brass
Federal 210M primer
5 shots in 3/4" if I am patient and don't heat the barrel up.
wsmnut
Post by: high country on May 07, 2012, 09:22:31 AM
Post by: 724wd on May 07, 2012, 06:48:32 PM
Post by: Cap.Silver on May 07, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
Post by: hub on May 08, 2012, 05:18:40 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 08, 2012, 05:32:50 PM
.270 Win. H4350 and a 130 Accubond, stuffed several mule deer in the sage with the combo. I use the same combination in the .270 WSM. Here are some 300 yard groups with the combo.Big Hammer if you can see that 1 1/2 dot at 300 yrds you can hunt with me anytime ;) :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
I would take the 06 over a .308 every time and a .300 Win mag over the two if it were a option. You can load the .300 down to 06 velocities but you can't load the 06 up. ;)
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.300 Win Mag. RL-22 and a 165 Ballistic tip for plinking, coyotes and Rockchucks. I run the same load with 165gr Nosler Accubonds for big game, they shoot same point of impact. I like the 165's because you get more speed (Flatter shooting) than the 180's and every deer I have shot with the 165's was dead on the spot as with the 180's. Here are some groups with RL-22 and the 165's.
The .300 Win Mag is a cartridgenthat likes to be pushed , it performs best at it's upper velocities. It is a very forgiving cartridge to load for. It's hard to get loads that won't shoot in a quality rifle. It likes being loaded into the lands, just kissing them and will shoot just as well with 40 thou plus jump. It's a great cartridge, one of my favorites as is the .375 H&H and the 7x57. :tup:
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The target bellow was shot at 400 yards from the prone, with a 300 yards zero. I was checking my real world drop from my 300 yard zero at 400 yards. It was spot on with my ExBall ballistics program. My aiming point was center of the orange. There was a slight right to left breeze but not enough to matter if I was shooting at a deer, so I didn't add any wind dope on the scope.
I'm liking those CCI 250 more and more over the Federal 215 matches everyday and I've been pretty much shooting the 215's exclusively in my magnums for 15 or so years.
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Post by: jeepasaurusrex on May 08, 2012, 05:35:35 PM
68gr H4831sc
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 08, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
In the 270 I perfer IMR-4831 for all my handloads. The 140 BT and AB at 2990 with remmy brass and cci-200 primers remains my favorite combo. For the 300 mag I,ve had excellent results with H-4831 and either the 180 PT or gameking. Been playing with 180 AB,s lately. There definitly accurate in my 700 BDL. I,d perfer an 06 to a 308 as well. I like the 06 pushing 200 grain PT,s along around 2600. Good load.Yeah thats it .... all the years of loading and killing :chuckle: :dunno: I prefer Imr 4831 & 140 gr hornaday BT.... out of a .270 ...flat out drops sheeet ! :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on May 08, 2012, 05:43:22 PM
Powder - H4831SC - 57gr., 130gr. Partition, CCI 200 primer, Seated 3.340
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 08, 2012, 06:05:16 PM
.270 Win. H4350 and a 130 Accubond, stuffed several mule deer in the sage with the combo. I use the same combination in the .270 WSM. Here are some 300 yard groups with the combo.Big Hammer if you can see that 1 1/2 dot at 300 yrds you can hunt with me anytime ;) :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
I would take the 06 over a .308 every time and a .300 Win mag over the two if it were a option. You can load the .300 down to 06 velocities but you can't load the 06 up. ;)
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.300 Win Mag. RL-22 and a 165 Ballistic tip for plinking, coyotes and Rockchucks. I run the same load with 165gr Nosler Accubonds for big game, they shoot same point of impact. I like the 165's because you get more speed (Flatter shooting) than the 180's and every deer I have shot with the 165's was dead on the spot as with the 180's. Here are some groups with RL-22 and the 165's.
The .300 Win Mag is a cartridgenthat likes to be pushed , it performs best at it's upper velocities. It is a very forgiving cartridge to load for. It's hard to get loads that won't shoot in a quality rifle. It likes being loaded into the lands, just kissing them and will shoot just as well with 40 thou plus jump. It's a great cartridge, one of my favorites as is the .375 H&H and the 7x57. :tup:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FDSC05354.jpg&hash=24751924ed3f4f552368a3860edf51a18837a3bf)
The target bellow was shot at 400 yards from the prone, with a 300 yards zero. I was checking my real world drop from my 300 yard zero at 400 yards. It was spot on with my ExBall ballistics program. My aiming point was center of the orange. There was a slight right to left breeze but not enough to matter if I was shooting at a deer, so I didn't add any wind dope on the scope.
I'm liking those CCI 250 more and more over the Federal 215 matches everyday and I've been pretty much shooting the 215's exclusively in my magnums for 15 or so years.
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Every time !! :tup: This is the 319.00 Bi-Mart Rem700 ADL, bone stock that shot those groups at 300. I have put a truck load of $$$ into customs to get them to touch 3 at 300 yards and a 319 buck rifle will do it time and time again if I drive it right.
The secret is the REDBULL! ;)
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 08, 2012, 06:45:27 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 08, 2012, 07:26:40 PM
hahaha yeah that red bull should help ... I had a .243 700 ADL and it would shoot like that but I finally shot it out after 40 yrs of endless firing ...I sure miss that gun ...I grew up on a farm in Pa and I lived to bail hay just so I could shoot ground hogs ...every farmer within 10 miles loved my buddy Mark and I because we never let up on blasting those hole diggin little SOB ...They bad news on a trailor loaded with hay ... seen many flipped over ....thats why varmit hunting is a must if you want to be dead eye dick :chuckle: :chuckle: especially when they get smart they slowly peek their little heads out of the hole which gives you about 2inches to hit at a long way out !!! Man I miss those days !! :dunno: :yeah:
Rockchucks/Grounhogs are my addiction. Here in central WA my personal best is 176 in a spring/ summer, loads of fun. Most of those were shot with a 300 Win mag, 180 BT and RL-19. :tup:
Post by: 724wd on May 08, 2012, 07:59:38 PM
So 724wd how did you managed to have 1970 stock of powder ?
my dad's been reloading .270 with 4831 since the late 60's. :tup:
Post by: blackdog on May 08, 2012, 08:25:17 PM
Post by: hub on May 09, 2012, 09:54:38 AM
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Post by: high country on May 11, 2012, 07:48:28 AM
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 11, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Mine likes 4831.....a lot. Look close, that 5 bullets, but only 100yds.
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Smokn group! Were you a little nervous on that 5th shot? ;) I hate throwing a smoker group on the last round.. :bash:
Post by: high country on May 11, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 11, 2012, 03:53:20 PM
Mine likes 4831.....a lot. Look close, that 5 bullets, but only 100yds.
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Smokn group! Were you a little nervous on that 5th shot? ;) I hate throwing a smoker group on the last round.. :bash:
excellent group... :tup:
Post by: hub on May 11, 2012, 05:04:20 PM
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Post by: blackdog on May 11, 2012, 10:14:53 PM
Post by: hub on May 11, 2012, 10:47:22 PM
A few years ago in a hurry and loaded 20 rounds at partners house with just the light through the window. Went out for the evening hunt and afterwards decided it would be smart to shoot and make sure they went bang. Recoil seemed abusive and bolt was reluctant to open. Drove back and checked the scale 60 grains imr 4831, not good! I'm sure velocity was impressive but when your primers disappear it might be a sign of excess pressure.Yea boy. 60grs. of IMR-4831 would be over doing it. I use lots IMR-4831 and H-4831. They are not the same. The IMR version will do anything the H version will do with three grains less powder.
Post by: hub on May 11, 2012, 10:56:08 PM
270 win brass, 55 grs IMR 4831, 150 grain Nosler partition seated to the base of the neck. cci large rifle primer.Yes indeed. That is another excellent load I have used alot. I use that combo with the BT and the PT 150,s