Post by: funkster on May 18, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
This is not a huge problem, but it means the difference of going in the "kitty" 64 times or 49 times. We would just like to know that we are getting the right amount of points and have that confirmed.
Has anyone on here had this same problem? If so,what became of it?
Post by: Woodchuck on May 18, 2012, 12:54:48 PM
Post by: funkster on May 18, 2012, 12:57:04 PM
Post by: 3nails on May 18, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: funkster on May 18, 2012, 01:05:50 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on May 18, 2012, 01:08:01 PM
Post by: NWBREW on May 18, 2012, 01:08:18 PM
Post by: funkster on May 18, 2012, 01:10:16 PM
You guys really screwed the one with 11 points!!!! :chuckle:
Ha ha...that only applies if he doesn't get an elk!
Post by: funkster on May 18, 2012, 01:13:26 PM
On group applications, the points of all of the applicants are averaged and the average is used in the drawing for that application. If the first group member has two points and the second one has six, then four points are used for the drawing. If the first member has one point, the second member has two, and a third member has four, then three points are used in the drawing for that application. The averaged points are rounded up.
From WDFW
Can you link me to where you got this info?
Post by: funkster on May 18, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
Now we can bring this to the WDFW attention.
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2012, 01:47:24 PM
Remember that if a group application is drawn, and there are not enough permits to satisfy the entire group, then the group application is rejected.
Good luck.
Post by: link on May 18, 2012, 01:58:30 PM
Kind of makes a guys points a little over rated if you ask me. Pretty sure I'm right here. Please correct me if I'm wrong. :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
From WDFW: "Washington's system places a multiplier on the points. The number of points is squared and it is this number of random numbers that are issued to the application (or number of cards in the barrel). If a person applies for an elk permit for the first time, they have one card in the barrel. If a person has built up two points, they have four cards in the barrel. If a person has three points built up, nine cards are in the barrel and so on.
Placing a multiplier on the points more noticeably increases the chances of being selected over someone who is a new applicant or was recently awarded a permit."
Post by: funkster on May 18, 2012, 05:11:56 PM
We always hunt together anyways and figured it would be that much more fun if we all could actually pull the trigger.
Still no call back from the WDFW, I guess it wasn't a high priority question :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2012, 05:27:16 PM
Good luck to all.
Post by: elksnout on May 18, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 18, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
Me and my son each have 14 points for elk and apply as a two man group. What does that mean really? Would we or any group with equal amount of points be better off applying separately?With a group application you will have 14 x 14 names in the hat. With separate applications you will each have 14 x 14 names in the hat. Your odds of at least one of you drawing would be approximately double, not considering the possibility of there not being enough tags to satisfy a group.
Post by: elksnout on May 18, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 19, 2012, 07:37:06 AM
Me and my son each have 14 points for elk and apply as a two man group. What does that mean really? Would we or any group with equal amount of points be better off applying separately?With a group application you will have 14 x 14 names in the hat. With separate applications you will each have 14 x 14 names in the hat. Your odds of at least one of you drawing would be approximately double, not considering the possibility of there not being enough tags to satisfy a group.
wouldn't the group be 14+14 making it 28x28?
Post by: Bob33 on May 19, 2012, 08:23:56 AM
No. A group application's points are computed by averaging all the group's members. If you have two members of a group with 14 points each, the average of 14 and 14 is 14 [ (14+14) / 2 ]. Therefore the group has 14 points. As with any other application, the points are squared to determine the number of chances to be drawn.Me and my son each have 14 points for elk and apply as a two man group. What does that mean really? Would we or any group with equal amount of points be better off applying separately?With a group application you will have 14 x 14 names in the hat. With separate applications you will each have 14 x 14 names in the hat. Your odds of at least one of you drawing would be approximately double, not considering the possibility of there not being enough tags to satisfy a group.
wouldn't the group be 14+14 making it 28x28?
Post by: iRem on May 19, 2012, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 19, 2012, 03:31:16 PM
Post by: funkster on May 19, 2012, 09:09:31 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 20, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
Come on, someone has to come up with a permit question that can stump Bod33 :chuckle:
He is defiantly on his regs A game.
Post by: buckhorn2 on May 20, 2012, 03:31:05 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 20, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 22, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 22, 2012, 08:26:13 PM
Post by: brokenvet on May 22, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/categories/Hunting/Special+Hunt+Permits/?page=2
question #27
If I am part of a group application, are my chances of getting a permit greater than if I apply by myself?
Those who apply as an Individual actually have the advantage over those who apply with a Group. In fact, the larger the group, the more your chances of being selected for a permit are reduced.