Post by: Mudman on May 23, 2012, 02:16:35 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 23, 2012, 02:18:23 PM
Post by: Mudman on May 23, 2012, 02:24:09 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 23, 2012, 02:32:53 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 02:40:16 PM
Next year it starts on the 3rd-15th, and the year after on the 2nd-14th. Then back to starting on the 8th-20th. No joking. There have been several threads on this topic.
I understand what you are saying Pianoman but it's speculation at best really. Who knows what the next set of three year dates will be when it comes to WDFW.
Post by: bowhunterty on May 23, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
Post by: Mudman on May 23, 2012, 02:52:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 23, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
Next year it starts on the 3rd-15th, and the year after on the 2nd-14th. Then back to starting on the 8th-20th. No joking. There have been several threads on this topic.
I understand what you are saying Pianoman but it's speculation at best really. Who knows what the next set of three year dates will be when it comes to WDFW.
Because the seasons have been set and that's what they're going to be.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on May 23, 2012, 05:54:44 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 05:58:03 PM
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Because the seasons have been set and that's what they're going to be.
My bad, I wasn't aware they had set the dates for 2015-2017.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 23, 2012, 05:59:41 PM
Post by: coachcw on May 23, 2012, 06:16:16 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 23, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 23, 2012, 06:42:36 PM
I just wanna get out and hunt ! hell i'd hunt the last week of aug. I have giant elk blue balls !!!!:yeah:
Post by: huntnphool on May 23, 2012, 07:17:31 PM
LOL... Come on guys, the WDFW has everything set in jello..... only way to change this is to stay on top of them with emails, letters and phone calls.... they do work... Right Phool?
LOL, yep, so do their polls. :chuckle:
Post by: iRem on May 23, 2012, 08:24:47 PM
I just wanna get out and hunt ! hell i'd hunt the last week of aug. I have giant elk blue balls !!!!Too funny!!!!
Post by: Opportunist on May 23, 2012, 09:05:12 PM
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2012, 10:46:41 AM
Post by: bowhunterty on May 24, 2012, 11:59:18 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 24, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
The september 8-21 were the best dates we have had,I wish wdfw would just lock down the dates and leave it. We used to have fire closure issues with the old October 1st archery season as well.
The september 8-21 were the best dates we have had,I wish wdfw would just lock down the dates and leave it. We used to have fire closure issues with the old October 1st archery season as well.
If they did that, Some years we wouldn't have two weekends. I'm not down with that at all, personally.
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
It's what who wanted? The archers of the state wanted that changed.
Everyone but archers actually. We had the 1-14 and hikers/campers complained. Then 8-21 and other hunting groups complained. So WDFW's answer was a floating season that starts the day after labor day.
Post by: iRem on May 24, 2012, 01:54:17 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 24, 2012, 02:06:57 PM
So that means in two years it should start on the 8th, but will it be extended on the tail end or will it be shorten because of the floating holiday? Seems like we are being pinched every other year……
I believe it's 13 days every year from now on. That is, until they make it 12.
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
So that means in two years it should start on the 8th, but will it be extended on the tail end or will it be shorten because of the floating holiday? Seems like we are being pinched every other year……
It also ends on the second sunday so that would be the 20th that year. We will always have the same days beings how labor day is always on a Monday
Post by: Fullabull on May 24, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: buglebuster on May 24, 2012, 03:19:31 PM
I think it is ridiculous that it floats like this, it should be the 8th to the 21st or so and then just leave it alone!!!:yeah: i agree
:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
as much as i like hunting the end of september for bulls, you cant deny the fact that the 1st of september is some darn good hunting, bulls still come to calls, sometimes better just silent!
My goal is still to kill a bull on september 12th, my birthday, but i still havent connected. Had one at 60 yards 3 years ago but couldnt seal the deal. I want my birthday bull!
Post by: Elkrunner on May 29, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
Post by: Mudman on May 29, 2012, 05:16:29 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 29, 2012, 05:31:05 PM
Post by: bowhunterty on May 29, 2012, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 31, 2012, 03:51:00 AM
I think it is ridiculous that it floats like this, it should be the 8th to the 21st or so and then just leave it alone!!!:yeah: i agree
:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
as much as i like hunting the end of September for bulls, you cant deny the fact that the 1st of September is some darn good hunting, bulls still come to calls, sometimes better just silent!
My goal is still to kill a bull on September 12th, my birthday, but i still havent connected. Had one at 60 yards 3 years ago but couldnt seal the deal. I want my birthday bull!
My most successful time to call in bulls is beginning of Sept..alot of bulls haven't herded up cows and will come to calls much easier. To many hunters hunt blind and don't know if there are actually around and get frustrated, because they aren't hearing the "bugle" to give them the classic Sept type hunt
Post by: dreamingbig on May 31, 2012, 05:45:11 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 09:24:24 AM
Once again, we need to keep sending emails and letters requesting a change back to the 8th to the 21st.
That puts too much pressure on the vulnerable rutting bulls, its too difficult to manage the harvest and should only be by permit, no different than hunting deer on the east side at the end of Oct.
Post by: NoBark on May 31, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Once again, we need to keep sending emails and letters requesting a change back to the 8th to the 21st.
That puts too much pressure on the vulnerable rutting bulls, its too difficult to manage the harvest and should only be by permit, no different than hunting deer on the east side at the end of Oct.
I would respectfully disagree with that assumption. Even the 21st, while at the front end of the rut, is not getting into the heat of it. Not here. If the Archery success rate was too high, then I would buy it. Until that happens, I'm with the 'starting on the 8th' group.
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 09:36:29 AM
If the Archery success rate was too high, then I would buy it. Until that happens, I'm with the 'starting on the 8th' group.
Of course you are, but WDFW isn't.
Post by: washelkhunter on May 31, 2012, 09:40:39 AM
Post by: iRem on May 31, 2012, 09:49:28 AM
i think the 1st is a good start date and the 8th is a good end of season date.Yeah for scouting, and the hunt begins on the 9th hahahaha
Post by: dreamingbig on May 31, 2012, 10:07:24 AM
Once again, we need to keep sending emails and letters requesting a change back to the 8th to the 21st.
That puts too much pressure on the vulnerable rutting bulls, its too difficult to manage the harvest and should only be by permit, no different than hunting deer on the east side at the end of Oct.
Show me the science on that! It sounds nice to say but if that is true then Montana, Idaho, and Oregon have their head up their rear which I don't believe to be true.
He who yells loudests or lobbies the most gets their way in this state.
Post by: dreamingbig on May 31, 2012, 10:08:23 AM
i think the 1st is a good start date and the 8th is a good end of season date.
You are just bitter that muzzleloaders can use archery equipment in muzzleloader season. :IBCOOL:
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: link=topic=98237.msg1278947#msg1278947 date=1338481464Show me the science on that! It sounds nice to say but if that is true then Montana, Idaho, and Oregon have their head up their rear which I don't believe to be true.
Since when do the regulations and management in those states have anything to do the regs or management in Washington? :chuckle:
We will be testing your theory this fall with luminoks. ;)Quote from: link=topic=98237.msg1278947#msg1278947 date=1338481464He who yells loudests or lobbies the most gets their way in this state.
Post by: kentrek on May 31, 2012, 11:05:48 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 31, 2012, 11:09:11 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 11:10:13 AM
i would love to be able to hunt the hole month of september :chuckle: maybe oregon might be getting my September money in the near future...
Montana is almost 3 months long.
Post by: kentrek on May 31, 2012, 11:12:29 AM
i would love to be able to hunt the hole month of september :chuckle: maybe oregon might be getting my September money in the near future...
Montana is almost 3 months long.
they must not know how to mage helk herds with a season like that ! :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 11:13:04 AM
According to Dave Ware, the decisions were based on harvest statistics.
Do they check the dates of the kill? If the majority are being killed toward the end of the season do they back the season up to avoid those dates?
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 31, 2012, 11:18:11 AM
According to Dave Ware, the decisions were based on harvest statistics.
Do they check the dates of the kill? If the majority are being killed toward the end of the season do they back the season up to avoid those dates?
No the season dates are rotating so that early archery will always have two weekends. The lastest seasons we can have is 8-20 and the earliest, 2-14.
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 11:21:07 AM
No the season dates are rotating so that early archery will always have two weekends. The lastest seasons we can have is 8-20 and the earliest, 2-14.According to Dave Ware, the decisions were based on harvest statistics.
Okay which is it, they were set "based on harvest statistics" or "so that they always have two weekends"?
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 11:22:41 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 31, 2012, 11:45:55 AM
Post by: Mudman on May 31, 2012, 11:49:29 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 12:21:28 PM
the season was set earlier because of harvest statistics, according to Mr. Ware.
How do statistics dictate when the season is going to be, unless they take into account the dates of the kills if the season remains two weeks long, as it has been for years? I can see them adding or removing days based on "harvest statistics" but moving the season dates forward or backward should not be dictated by the harvest numbers, unless they do indeed take those kill dates into account.
Don't argue with me.Who's arguing, I'm asking serious questions. Is your word the final say so on this forum?
Post by: NoBark on May 31, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
If they put the season in July, it would probably be more. Putting it in the early stages of the rut probably increases the chance for success and thereby reduces the number of days.My point exactly, thank you.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on May 31, 2012, 12:38:27 PM
It takes a certain number of days for each user group to reach an approximate success level that is set by the WDFW. Right now, for archers thats 13 days. Used to be more. If they put the season in July, it would probably be more. Putting it in the early stages of the rut probably increases the chance for success and thereby reduces the number of days. If the success rate needs to rise, they will extend the season and shorten it if needed to reduce success. Pretty simple, works for all user groups.
That actually makes sense! Thanks!
Post by: Fullabull on May 31, 2012, 03:38:53 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on May 31, 2012, 04:22:52 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 31, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
I suggest the last wknd in Aug to midnight the 8th of Sept. :tup::chuckle:
Post by: dreamingbig on May 31, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
So would all you guys be happy if the dates were set at the 8th-21st each year, regardless which day of the week it started and ended on?
yep! Sign me up.
Post by: washelkhunter on May 31, 2012, 04:36:43 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 31, 2012, 05:01:35 PM
So would all you guys be happy if the dates were set at the 8th-21st each year, regardless which day of the week it started and ended on?
Yep
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 31, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
Post by: Opportunist on May 31, 2012, 05:11:23 PM
This state hasn't managed their resource for years, they only manage hunters and anyone that doesn't recognize this is out of touch with WDFW's management practices. At one time Dave Ware told me archers would never hunt the last two weeks of september and then the season changed to september 8-21 to accomodate labor day campers. I almost laughed when I saw the season date change especially after what mr. Ware had stated to me. I believe Mr. Ware's "scientific" opinion on utilizing harvest stats to adjust season dates is b/s and only based on the calendar and labor day.
September 8-21 are the best dates we have had but sept 1-30 are better!
Post by: iRem on May 31, 2012, 05:43:10 PM
Post by: Fullabull on May 31, 2012, 06:40:41 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 01, 2012, 06:36:14 AM
So would all you guys be happy if the dates were set at the 8th-21st each year, regardless which day of the week it started and ended on?
If there were still two weekends every year, than yes. Otherwise, no.
Post by: Fullabull on June 01, 2012, 07:36:31 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 01, 2012, 08:07:36 AM
So how about they make is where there is always two weekends in the season and they just change the start date to accommodate that and leave the end date the 21st...
I'd be for that, but i doubt the DFW would. It would mean more hunting days in some years and they've taken some of those away because of harvest statistics.
Post by: dreamingbig on June 01, 2012, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: kentrek on June 01, 2012, 11:38:04 AM
I'll go out of state and hunt the whole month of september.
This state hasn't managed their resource for years, they only manage hunters and anyone that doesn't recognize this is out of touch with WDFW's management practices. At one time Dave Ware told me archers would never hunt the last two weeks of september and then the season changed to september 8-21 to accomodate labor day campers. I almost laughed when I saw the season date change especially after what mr. Ware had stated to me. I believe Mr. Ware's "scientific" opinion on utilizing harvest stats to adjust season dates is b/s and only based on the calendar and labor day.
September 8-21 are the best dates we have had but sept 1-30 are better!
cant agree more,alot of WA's money is going out of state because of there money managing skills.it would be ineresting to know how much more money they could make if they made this state more apealing for those peaple going out of state to hunt
Post by: smartazz171 on June 08, 2012, 01:41:47 PM
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Post by: washelkhunter on June 08, 2012, 02:10:55 PM