Post by: Fishaholic on May 30, 2012, 03:39:29 PM
and no i don't want a 9mm there worthless to me my cousin was in Iraq and told me he had to shoot several people several times to drop them
i have a mossberg 500 for home defence and need to expand my armory
thanks
ddjj1991.
Post by: brokenvet on May 30, 2012, 03:58:17 PM
Save your money and get the 1911.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 30, 2012, 04:00:33 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 30, 2012, 04:17:31 PM
Post by: FC on May 30, 2012, 04:24:04 PM
and no i don't want a 9mm there worthless to me my cousin was in Iraq and told me he had to shoot several people several times to drop them
Lots of people had to be shot multiple times with the 5.56 too!
No offense but you might not have considered the fact that military rounds are fmj (full metal jacket) and do not expand, defensive rounds are jhp (jacketed hollow point), intended to expand and the difference between them is huge. A 9mm would have it all over a 22 mag, not to say a 22 mag wouldn't be better than nothing but a 9mm with actual defensive rounds in it is a fairly well proven man stopper. With a 22 mag you pretty much need to shoot an attacker in the head to stop them. :twocents:
Post by: PlateauNDN on May 30, 2012, 04:27:12 PM
Post by: CP on May 30, 2012, 04:43:39 PM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm
22 WMR
Much better than the .22 LR and perhaps better than most calibers smaller than .35. 40 grain JHP loads are the traditional choice, with Winchester's 40 grain JHP load scoring highest in 4" and longer barrels. The recently introduced Speer 40 grain GDHP-SB load was tailored for use in mini revolvers with 2" and shorter barrels.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 30, 2012, 05:12:13 PM
due to all the violence that is happening in WA state i have decided to buy a pistol, i found a 22 mag for a good price and was wondering if it would be a good carry pistol. i cant afford a new pistol or i would buy a springfield 1911 GI mode. but the real question is would a well placed 22 mag round drop a attacker??
and no i don't want a 9mm there worthless to me my cousin was in Iraq and told me he had to shoot several people several times to drop them
i have a mossberg 500 for home defence and need to expand my armory
thanks
ddjj1991.
I'd rethink the 9mm. Don't believe what your cuz says. S&W Sigmas are about $299, good gun and ammo is very popular and available. Hornady is good stuff.
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 30, 2012, 05:16:23 PM
Post by: TheHunt on May 30, 2012, 05:16:58 PM
Post by: KFhunter on May 30, 2012, 05:27:42 PM
No it isn't a .45 or a .40 or even a 9mm - but it'll put the hurtin on a dude and could kill him with a hit to the vitals.
But at least you could afford to shoot it, and build your skills with. So hell no I wouldn't ever tell anyone not to get a plinker.
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 30, 2012, 05:39:07 PM
Kel-Tec PMR 30.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2Fphoto-132.jpg&hash=5a8cc051e5c8d1733ecc6701513f592120b2bd06)
Post by: C-Money on May 30, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
Post by: Fishaholic on May 30, 2012, 06:09:48 PM
Don't want a 9mm but your asking about a .22? :dunno:
The .22 caliber is said to have killed more people than any other single caliber ever invented
think about it the 22 will poke threw someone and not have over penetration problems and it will bounce around in side of the body cavity
i have read that some police use the 22, and the Italian Military might use it to
think how many deer have been shot and killed with the 22???? if it drops deer why not a person??
Post by: FC on May 30, 2012, 06:27:47 PM
Carry what you like, the 22 has certainly been effective in killing quite a few critters and people.
A 22 will drop a moose if the shot placement is exact, do you think you could make that shot while the moose was charging you?
Do you think you could make the kind of precision shot you are talking about against a person shooting at you?
Post by: wraithen on May 30, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
Post by: dscubame on May 30, 2012, 06:34:29 PM
Sure, run the .22 mag until you bank enough cash to swing your next handguns purchase. I'm a sucker for a good 1911 and I have more .45's in my safe than all my other handguns combined. I've had a Kel-Tec PMR 30 on order for almost 2 years. Had to wait for them to work out some design/ magazine issues. Should be a fun .22 mag, 30 rounds in the magazine and one in the pipe. Topped off with some CCI Maxi-Mag +V's, you wouldn't want to be out in front of it. :o
Kel-Tec PMR 30.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2Fphoto-132.jpg&hash=5a8cc051e5c8d1733ecc6701513f592120b2bd06)
If I can find one I am going to go buy one of these Kel Tec's tomorrow, not for carry just to have and plink with.
Post by: brokenvet on May 30, 2012, 06:58:35 PM
Don't want a 9mm but your asking about a .22? :dunno:
That's funny.
I would take a 9mm over a .22 for conceal carry.
Post by: oneezreiter on May 30, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on May 30, 2012, 07:33:42 PM
Doubled velocity has a quadroupling effect on kinetic energy, whereas doubling mass only doubles kinetic energy. This is plain physics, folks. On the other hand we have big egoes, Hollywood, and gun company marketing that conflagerates practical judgement in all too many American gun owners. I wouldnt want to be shot with a .22mag, especially if.it was loaded with hollow points, and I tend to think that a hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45. Just my :twocents:
Post by: arrowflinger on May 30, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
Here is mine!!!
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Post by: KFhunter on May 30, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
I'll have to do some digging to back this statement up, but I've read or seen somewhere that an attacker is much more likely to continue an advance or attack when faced with a "small pistol" vs a big dirty harry gun.
I dunno why, it just is.
So, by carring a 45 an attacker might be more prone to back off and you wouldn't even have to fire.
think of it as that spine chilling sound of racking a shotgun in the dark - stops the attack then and there
but I still think a .22 would be a great investment for anyone legally able to own such and wishes to improve their handgun skills on the cheap
Post by: buckfvr on May 30, 2012, 08:37:06 PM
Sure, run the .22 mag until you bank enough cash to swing your next handguns purchase. I'm a sucker for a good 1911 and I have more .45's in my safe than all my other handguns combined. I've had a Kel-Tec PMR 30 on order for almost 2 years. Had to wait for them to work out some design/ magazine issues. Should be a fun .22 mag, 30 rounds in the magazine and one in the pipe. Topped off with some CCI Maxi-Mag +V's, you wouldn't want to be out in front of it. :o
Kel-Tec PMR 30.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2Fphoto-132.jpg&hash=5a8cc051e5c8d1733ecc6701513f592120b2bd06)
If I can find one I am going to go buy one of these Kel Tec's tomorrow, not for carry just to have and plink with.
This beauty is also in my near future......if anyone had an idea what it was they faced with this pointed at them, Im sure they would rethink their motives....not a substitute for my .44 mag, but I want one anyway. :tup:
Post by: 724wd on May 30, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
that said, i carry a .38 +p J-frame. :tup:
Post by: longrangekiller on May 30, 2012, 09:17:27 PM
Post by: KFhunter on May 30, 2012, 09:18:07 PM
I dunno, could pratice with that too, might as well but I suggest also pratice with some of your carry rounds too - no surprises!
Post by: Special T on May 30, 2012, 09:24:53 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on May 30, 2012, 09:56:30 PM
due to all the violence that is happening in WA state i have decided to buy a pistol, i found a 22 mag for a good price and was wondering if it would be a good carry pistol. i cant afford a new pistol or i would buy a springfield 1911 GI mode. but the real question is would a well placed 22 mag round drop a attacker??
and no i don't want a 9mm there worthless to me my cousin was in Iraq and told me he had to shoot several people several times to drop them
i have a mossberg 500 for home defence and need to expand my armory
thanks
ddjj1991.
9mm isn't worthless. It's the Full Metal Jackets we have to use that causes the problems... You use good self defense rounds and the bad guy is going hit the ground crying like a little baby....certainly going to be more effective than a 22 mag.
Post by: FC on May 30, 2012, 10:19:27 PM
people keep saying you can shoot the .22 mag on the cheap... where are you buying ammo? :yike: i've seen the opposite, 9mm available much cheaper than .22 mag.
I want to know the same thing so I can stock up! :chuckle:
Post by: Fishaholic on May 31, 2012, 12:22:17 PM
people keep saying you can shoot the .22 mag on the cheap... where are you buying ammo? :yike: i've seen the opposite, 9mm available much cheaper than .22 mag.
that said, i carry a .38 +p J-frame. :tup:
22 mag ammo- 8.75 for a box of 50 http://www.luckygunner.com/bulk-22-wmr-ammo-22wmr40tmjfiocchi-50
9mm ammo- 10.00 to 12.00 for a box of 50 http://ammo.net/9mm-ammo
regardless i have a small gun fund
22 Mag 40 Gr. Solid Point FMC-1180fps
9MM 124 GRAIN FMJ-1090fps
Post by: CP on May 31, 2012, 12:27:36 PM
people keep saying you can shoot the .22 mag on the cheap... where are you buying ammo? :yike: i've seen the opposite, 9mm available much cheaper than .22 mag.
that said, i carry a .38 +p J-frame. :tup:
22 mag ammo- 8.75 for a box of 50 http://www.luckygunner.com/bulk-22-wmr-ammo-22wmr40tmjfiocchi-50
9mm ammo- 10.00 to 12.00 for a box of 50 http://ammo.net/9mm-ammo
regardless i have a small gun fund
22 Mag 40 Gr. Solid Point FMC-1180fps
9MM 124 GRAIN FMJ-1090fps
Carry quality ammo:
115g 9mm Corbon JHP $26.99 per 20 - 1275 fps
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/946392/cor-bon-dpx-ammunition-9mm-luger-p-115-grain-barnes-xpb-hollow-point-lead-free-box-of-20
Post by: Alchase on May 31, 2012, 12:58:31 PM
Here is a link to the FBI ballistic wound study
Post by: h20hunter on May 31, 2012, 01:01:19 PM
Kidding of course...........nice link............thanks for posting.
Post by: arrowflinger on May 31, 2012, 01:11:34 PM
Too much hipe being spread around
Here is a link to the FBI ballistic wound study
downloaded and saved..............thanks.
Post by: Fishaholic on May 31, 2012, 01:12:32 PM
my firearm fund went up and i found TRACKER MODEL 425 .41 MAG with a 4 inch barrel for 350 out the door
good thing is i can pick up a RCBS .41 Magnum 3-die set for 30 bucks and i can get every thing to reload it for a gun store in my town
it may be bulky but i can get a shoulder holster to conseal it
any thoughts?????????????? :dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 31, 2012, 01:30:14 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 31, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
Post by: FC on May 31, 2012, 01:41:23 PM
It sounds like a pretty gigantic gun to try and conceal (if that's your purpose), aside from that it's a taurus and I wouldn't personally want to trust my life to one.
If your main problem is a getting a handgun on the cheap, you should have a look at a Ruger sr40 for under $400. Here is a Ruger P89 for under $200! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=288520224#PIC
Post by: Fishaholic on May 31, 2012, 01:45:16 PM
Post by: FC on May 31, 2012, 01:55:02 PM
Aside from that they generally seem to weigh even more than Rugers so I suppose you could always beat someone to death with a taurus when it jams up.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 31, 2012, 02:11:27 PM
Post by: oneezreiter on May 31, 2012, 02:43:18 PM
Post by: FC on May 31, 2012, 02:52:18 PM
I have a Taurus .38 special that is my carry gun. I have put over 1,000 through it with no trouble. It is their magnesium model and weighs in at 13 ounces, if that is heavy I would love to know what you carry.
Is that the only light gun they make? Glad to hear you have had no trouble with it but plenty have had issues with their taurus revolvers.
Post by: oneezreiter on May 31, 2012, 02:59:49 PM
Post by: FC on May 31, 2012, 03:17:24 PM
It is the lightest that they make, I had a p90 and that thing was a brick. I have fired S&W, as well as a few others and think that the Taurus holds up fine to them. I think they get a bad rap sometimes on the used market because people don't mind if they beat the crap out of them because they are inexpensive. I would be apprehensive to buy any used gun for a carry gun though,
You'll get no argument from me on the Ruger "P" pistols, they are chunky guns. It was a recommendation against my nature (not a Ruger fan) but is a reliable gun that can be gotten cheaply.
On the revolver comparison I would say you are either off your rocker or haven't handled a quality revolver alongside a Taurus before, there is no comparison! I would rather have a quality revolver with a high round count than a new Taurus. :twocents:
Post by: 724wd on May 31, 2012, 03:25:03 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 31, 2012, 06:39:13 PM
Too much hipe being spread around
Here is a link to the FBI ballistic wound study
The FBI are a bunch of idiots. Sure there are some that are sharp enough on the pointy end but the majority can't tell their hind end from a hole in the ground.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on May 31, 2012, 06:44:19 PM
Some of them are so smart they don't have any common sense but my experiences with them has always been rather positive.Too much hipe being spread around
Here is a link to the FBI ballistic wound study
The FBI are a bunch of idiots. Sure there are some that are sharp enough on the pointy end but the majority can't tell their hind end from a hole in the ground.
Post by: Fishaholic on May 31, 2012, 06:57:35 PM
ammo is easy to find
what models do you like??
Post by: Huntbear on May 31, 2012, 07:13:37 PM
Post by: Fishaholic on May 31, 2012, 07:15:24 PM
Post by: FC on May 31, 2012, 07:16:34 PM
Post by: Huntbear on May 31, 2012, 07:17:21 PM
OR go cowboy with a Ruger Blackhawk.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 31, 2012, 08:52:04 PM
I'm looking for something i can carry for defence and also use for a hunting or brush pistol.
Don't forget, it's gotta be a 4 inch barrel with whatever the minimun caliber is if you're gonna hunt with it.
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 31, 2012, 09:06:37 PM
Post by: Fishaholic on May 31, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
-I have a Ruger lcp 380!
i would buy a 380 for my 3 year old son hahahahaha jk
i think im getting the 22 mag
Post by: oneezreiter on June 01, 2012, 07:05:08 AM
It is the lightest that they make, I had a p90 and that thing was a brick. I have fired S&W, as well as a few others and think that the Taurus holds up fine to them. I think they get a bad rap sometimes on the used market because people don't mind if they beat the crap out of them because they are inexpensive. I would be apprehensive to buy any used gun for a carry gun though,
You'll get no argument from me on the Ruger "P" pistols, they are chunky guns. It was a recommendation against my nature (not a Ruger fan) but is a reliable gun that can be gotten cheaply.
On the revolver comparison I would say you are either off your rocker or haven't handled a quality revolver alongside a Taurus before, there is no comparison! I would rather have a quality revolver with a high round count than a new Taurus. :twocents:
I may be off my rocker I did spend 9 years on submarines, but I have never had a bad experience with a Taurus, I have handled several nice high end revolvers and you are correct they are a better fit and finish but every Taurus I have shot has always gone bang and hit the target without any issue. Maybe I have been lucky but i think allot of people form their opinions based on price and "find problems" to justify the price difference. I think that it is also important to look at guns from the same manufacturing period, new to new. Modern manufacturing has come a long way in the last few years.
Post by: jyerxa on June 01, 2012, 08:27:41 AM
Post by: FC on June 01, 2012, 09:43:08 AM
I may be off my rocker I did spend 9 years on submarines,
This explains a few things :chuckle: :chuckle:
i think allot of people form their opinions based on price and "find problems" to justify the price difference.
Not me, I actually carry a kel-tec on a regular basis, that should give you an idea on my price based opinions. I've actually gone to the store a couple of times with the intent of buying a new Taurus but every time they have been so clunky and loose that I wouldn't have even cared to test fire them. If you could get S&W quality for a Taurus price, I would be all over it but you really can't! I had to buy my 686 used as I really couldn't stomach the price of a new one.
Post by: superdown on June 01, 2012, 09:59:39 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 01, 2012, 10:10:59 AM
I will never waste my money on a Taurus ever again I HAD a pt92 that was such a pos it was inaccurate sloppy/loose feeling had lots failure to fire and failure to eject i couldn't wait to sell it. I was looking at a judge revolver at Sportco and it was broken brand new in the case ie free spin pall and cylinder latch would only catch 50% of the time :rolleyes:
Hahahaha! I have dated some women in the past, that almost fit your description of the PT92 to the "T". :DOH:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 02, 2012, 06:45:48 AM
Post by: Gutpile on June 02, 2012, 06:57:05 AM
I will never waste my money on a Taurus ever again I HAD a pt92 that was such a pos it was inaccurate sloppy/loose feeling had lots failure to fire and failure to eject i couldn't wait to sell it. I was looking at a judge revolver at Sportco and it was broken brand new in the case ie free spin pall and cylinder latch would only catch 50% of the time :rolleyes:
I had a judge for a few months. piece of garbage.
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 02, 2012, 07:42:12 AM
I will never waste my money on a Taurus ever again I HAD a pt92 that was such a pos it was inaccurate sloppy/loose feeling had lots failure to fire and failure to eject i couldn't wait to sell it. I was looking at a judge revolver at Sportco and it was broken brand new in the case ie free spin pall and cylinder latch would only catch 50% of the time :rolleyes:
I had a judge for a few months. piece of garbage.
I have watched many being purchased over the last couple years locally but they never did anythingnfor me. :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 02, 2012, 11:39:07 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 02, 2012, 08:06:43 PM
I have the 3" mag Judge, but never have shot it, yet. I bought it just because I could. :tup:
Because you can, is a wonderful thing. :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 02, 2012, 08:14:55 PM
I have the 3" mag Judge, but never have shot it, yet. I bought it just because I could. :tup:
Because you can, is a wonderful thing. :tup:
At least I look at it once in a while....
Post by: Special T on June 04, 2012, 10:18:30 AM
Post by: 300rum on June 04, 2012, 10:42:49 AM
A taurus is no S&W but i think it could be an ok CC revolver, or the go to gun for a check the bump in the night pistol. I'm a little more skeptical about some of the 44mag and such guns that you may want to put more round through and or have more pressure... I would think that a standard 38 special with some nice hollow points would be a good gun for defence.. I think we would all like some kind of swank 1911 or 40cal to carry, but for a budget minded defence gut its probably the right fit. :twocents:
Post by: FC on June 04, 2012, 10:50:42 AM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 04, 2012, 11:04:33 AM
I will never waste my money on a Taurus ever again I HAD a pt92 that was such a pos it was inaccurate sloppy/loose feeling had lots failure to fire and failure to eject i couldn't wait to sell it. I was looking at a judge revolver at Sportco and it was broken brand new in the case ie free spin pall and cylinder latch would only catch 50% of the time :rolleyes:
My 616 has had ALOT of rounds through it and never had a problem! alot less to go wrong on a revolver though.. it doesnt have the best finish work compared to smith and ruger but you cant beat a 24 oz 4 inch 357 for backpacking! oh and i also had BladeTech make me a IWB holster for it and to my surprise it conceals better than my XD compact!
Post by: arrowflinger on June 04, 2012, 11:34:59 AM
Post by: sled on June 04, 2012, 10:03:40 PM
One of my others is a S&W Model 60......Nice little revolver.+1 on the smith. It is my main concealed carry gun.
Bought a glock 20 last night. It will be my main carry for hunting and hiking.
Post by: Shoffy on June 06, 2012, 07:37:55 AM
Don't want a 9mm but your asking about a .22? :dunno:
The .22 caliber is said to have killed more people than any other single caliber ever invented
think about it the 22 will poke threw someone and not have over penetration problems and it will bounce around in side of the body cavity
i have read that some police use the 22, and the Italian Military might use it to
think how many deer have been shot and killed with the 22???? if it drops deer why not a person??
The only reason more people have been killed by a .22LR is not because they are so deadly, but because almost everyone has one. Even people who are not "gun people" mostly have a .22 rifle in their closet. It is also because people think they are not dangerous. I have no doubt that a .22 would put a hurtin' on someone but I would rather stand behind a 9mm than a .22 any day. I believe with modern ammunition the 9x19mm is actually a great defense round. It has a higher velocity that a .45acp or .40s&w and the magazine capaticity is always greater. Me personally, both my carry and home defense guns are .40s&w ( Glock 27 and H&K USP40) :twocents:
Post by: Brandobando on June 07, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
Post by: huntnphool on June 07, 2012, 10:40:52 PM
Post by: ksblazer on June 09, 2012, 02:31:54 PM
But if your looking at woods and concealed carry, I'd consider a Glock 29 a good choice.
Post by: mfswallace on June 09, 2012, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on June 09, 2012, 02:52:28 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 09, 2012, 03:09:35 PM
How does that fn 57 handle?Very nicely. Not much recoil/flip. I would say not much more than a .22, but in a larger framed gun--so more controllable. I could shoot cans with it and the recoil barely made me have to resight.
Post by: KFhunter on June 09, 2012, 04:46:33 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on June 09, 2012, 05:40:43 PM
My pops was wanting one of those, almost picked one up but then I told him about the 9 x 25 Dillon :chuckle:
Check out the 460 Rowland conversion for the g21
Post by: KFhunter on June 09, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
that'd be a helluva rig I'd need a chrono to make sure I had enough spring lol
I like magnum power, but pops was after speed. The 9x25 Dillon offers that in spades at just over 2000 FPS for the 90 grain bullets.
I can imagine I'll have all kinds of ways to shoot this G20 - the 9x25D is going to come next I think.
I'm going to have fun with this
Post by: KFhunter on June 09, 2012, 06:01:19 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 09, 2012, 06:03:04 PM
FN Five Seven :tup:
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Now that's what I'm talking about, if ya got $1200.. :tup: :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on June 10, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
How does that fn 57 handle?Just like J. Hoffa said, little more recoil than a .22 but long range, high capacity and light weight. Can be armor piercing with the right rounds. Its the same gun that Nidal Hasan used in the Fort Hood shooting a few years ago, he knew it would penetrate vests. :bash:
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According to pretrial testimony, Hasan entered the Guns Galore store in Killeen on July 31, 2009, and purchased the FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol that he was to use in the attack at Fort Hood. According to Army Specialist William Gilbert, a regular customer at the store, Hasan entered the store and abruptly asked for "the most technologically advanced weapon on the market and the one with the highest magazine capacity. Hasan was allegedly asked how he intended to use the weapon, but did not give a straight answer, insisting that he simply wanted the most advanced handgun with the largest magazine capacity. The three individuals conversing with Hasan—Gilbert, the store manager, and an employee—all agreed upon the FN Five-seven pistol. Gilbert, who personally owned one of the pistols, spent nearly an hour describing it to Hasan, explaining that the gun was extremely lightweight and accurate, and telling him that the bullets it fires cause severe damage on impact.
When the conversation ended, Hasan left the store, saying he needed to research the weapon. He returned to purchase the gun the next day, and visited the store on a weekly basis to buy extra magazines, along with hundreds of rounds of 5.7×28mm SS192 and SS197SR ammunition. In the weeks prior to the attack, Hasan visited an outdoor shooting range in Florence, where he allegedly became adept at hitting silhouette targets at distances of up to 100
Post by: KFhunter on June 10, 2012, 04:43:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on June 10, 2012, 05:05:49 PM
wonder if there is much truth to the rumors of the Five7 firing out of battery - this happen to you?
There have been a few reported cases, one guy posted his story on several forums making it look like it has happened a lot. The common factor in all the reported cases is they were using their own hand loads.
Post by: wraithen on June 10, 2012, 05:25:49 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 10, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
So it's kinda like a glock? :chuckle: :dunno:
If that is directed at me you've wasted your energy - I'm not a big fan of Glock
Post by: wraithen on June 10, 2012, 08:12:14 PM
Post by: huntnphool on June 10, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 14, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
Keep in mind that only 5% or so of gunshot wounds end up being fatal, so don't expect any hand gun to be a guaranteed killer.
Post by: sticky on June 27, 2012, 01:24:57 PM
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Post by: jaymark6655 on July 01, 2012, 11:10:28 PM
S&W j-frame .38 special airlight...acurate and light and small...youll never know its even on you,im 24 yrs old, and everyone packs semi autos... im not all down with semi autos ( no offense guys, i like knowing my gun will shoot every trigger pull and not jam up). and they are accurate too. you wont be dissapointed.No offense, but anything mechanical can malfunction.
Post by: huntnphool on July 01, 2012, 11:18:31 PM
+1, not to mention a bad primer can occur in any round.S&W j-frame .38 special airlight...acurate and light and small...youll never know its even on you,im 24 yrs old, and everyone packs semi autos... im not all down with semi autos ( no offense guys, i like knowing my gun will shoot every trigger pull and not jam up). and they are accurate too. you wont be dissapointed.No offense, but anything mechanical can malfunction.
Post by: Bean Counter on July 02, 2012, 08:26:13 AM
All that said, I usually carry a semi auto. :)
Post by: Huntbear on July 02, 2012, 08:51:04 AM
S&W j-frame .38 special airlight...acurate and light and small...youll never know its even on you,im 24 yrs old, and everyone packs semi autos... im not all down with semi autos ( no offense guys, i like knowing my gun will shoot every trigger pull and not jam up). and they are accurate too. you wont be dissapointed.No offense, but anything mechanical can malfunction.
Yes, even the safety on your rifle or the brakes on your car, etc..... HOWEVER, wheel guns have always been considered IDIOT PROOF in the gun business... you pull the trigger it goes bang.... no worries about magazine buttons being pushed by accident or feed jams to be cleared when you need the gun the most... for beginners a simple .357/.38 revolver is always the best route, until they have enough experience to know what they are doing around a handgun....
Those of us that were raised around firearms, have been shooting since before we could actually hold the gun up .. forget sometimes that some people just do not have the experience or the moxie to deal with the more complicated semi autos... especially if they are even remotely intimidated by owning a gun.
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 02, 2012, 09:22:54 AM
On the Semi malfunction side: I own a few and the one has never failed and it has been shot by 20 to 30 people that have never touched a pistol before, no jams and no dropped mags. I have even stopped cleaning just to see how long it can continue to cycle.
Post by: coachcw on July 04, 2012, 11:52:28 AM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 07, 2012, 03:25:18 PM
So it's kinda like a glock? :chuckle: :dunno:
If that is directed at me you've wasted your energy - I'm not a big fan of Glock
What's your issued gun ?
Post by: wraithen on July 07, 2012, 03:28:27 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 07, 2012, 03:38:17 PM
If that's for me camp, it's a beretta m9. I can't shoot the thing for anything. Always get a middle of the road score. I'm better with my g27. I think the sights are what screw me up.
It was for KF actually, but that's ok. I bet he's got an H&K 40 cal...........
I wanted the FN when they were $700, shoulda !!!!!!!! :bash:
Post by: Jack Diamond on July 07, 2012, 03:42:29 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on July 07, 2012, 04:17:15 PM
With high quality ammunition most handguns rounds are capable of being an effective self defense platform. Asking about the effectiveness of a 22 caliber handgun and then bashing a 9mm is funny to me. People seem to think that when humans are shot they just stop. And when they don't then that round/bullet must suck. In order to incapacitate a human you have to
A: turn their computer(brain) off. You can do that via a bullet to head most of the time.
B: turn them off via hypovolemic shock. Aka, blood loss. start poking a lot of holes in them, specifically chest cavity and pelvic gurdle reigon.
C: take away their mobility so you can escape. Spine, legs, pelvic gurdle area.
The exceptions to the above are really big rounds, ie 50BMG, that due to sheer size and velocity don't fall under the same discussion.
It's a lot if fun to talk about guns, but I hope that everybody who carries weapons for self defense does realistic practice with them. And that includes the mental aspect of working through scenarios. Simply buying the newest Kimber mini 45, a cool holster, and going to the range to shoot static targets at 15 yards is not realistic. That doesn't help prepare anyone for a life or death force on force encounter. Do yourself and the people you love a huge favor and seek out guidance from someone who has real life experience with deadly force situations.
A couple of other random thoughts. A self defense gun does you no good if you don't have it when you need it because it was too uncomfortable to carry all the time. And I'd rather have a 22 that I can shoot really well then a gorgeous 45 that I spray all over the place. And yes revolvers are not foolproof, but in my experiance they are harder to screw up then a semi auto.
I think carrying a concealed weapon is a terrific choice provide you are technically and tactically proficient with it. And fully understand use of force as covered in the RCW's before you start carrying. It would suck to end up in jail or prison because you didnt spend a few hours doing research.
Post by: Jekemi on July 17, 2012, 12:54:04 PM
Then save your pennies and get a .40 or .45. And, to echo what others have said, don't discount the performance of the .9mm. It's the preferred gun of the vast majority of police and military's throughout the world. One again, a well placed .9mm is worth more than any number of poorly placed larger caliber shots.
Post by: Special T on July 17, 2012, 04:19:32 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 17, 2012, 04:51:14 PM
Post by: KFhunter on July 17, 2012, 06:17:07 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on July 17, 2012, 08:26:39 PM
not if you got 3 inches of blubber and some winter layers on
Great point. "Natural body armor" is something many people overlook and don't factor into their decision.
Post by: Button Nubbs on July 17, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
not if you got 3 inches of blubber and some winter layers on
Great point. "Natural body armor" is something many people overlook and don't factor into their decision.
and thats why i keep a permanent blubber vest! :tup:
Post by: 300rum on July 17, 2012, 08:32:22 PM
The most important thing is to shoot what you have the most confidence in. You will find this out by shooting tens and tens of thousands of rounds down range with multiple pistols. In the end, it really doesn't matter (unless it matters to you).
Post by: ellensburgpo on July 17, 2012, 09:27:52 PM
It amazes me how much we go around and around on this topic. :chuckle:
The most important thing is to shoot what you have the most confidence in. You will find this out by shooting tens and tens of thousands of rounds down range with multiple pistols. In the end, it really doesn't matter (unless it matters to you).
Cause it's fun! I agree with what your saying. Pick a reliable weapon, good round, and practice until its hard to miss.
Post by: dscubame on July 23, 2012, 11:05:29 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on July 23, 2012, 02:35:06 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 26, 2012, 06:18:37 AM
not if you got 3 inches of blubber and some winter layers on
Head shots then......... :chuckle:
Post by: Slenk on July 26, 2012, 06:29:16 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
Post by: jyerxa on July 27, 2012, 03:47:36 AM
DD Pushing two months out...what did you end up getting?
:yeah:
This is affordable.
http://www.impactguns.com/revolvers.aspx?Manufacturer=Charter+Arms (http://www.impactguns.com/revolvers.aspx?Manufacturer=Charter+Arms)
Charter Arms Bulldog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3Ri3qTeyA#ws)
And then the other side of things. Here is a user and his comments so I don't tell you a pack of lies. This guy had a single action but they come in double action too. I'd get the double action.
Charter Arms Bulldog .44SPL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXVw0pWj1-4#)
Post by: rebal69972 on July 27, 2012, 04:43:35 AM