Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2012, 02:23:42 AM
By Andy Walgamott, on June 4th, 2012
Full Story Here: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2012/06/04/washington-wolf-news-early-june-2012/
As for that dispersing wolf from the Teanaway Pack, a map indicates the yearling female -- which was captured and collared last September -- left its home territory in north-central Kittitas County in mid- to late March, zigzagged through the Colockum and Chelan County, turned up to the south of the Lookout Pack's range, headed up Washington's Okanogan Valley to British Columbia's Okanagan Lake and crested the divide into the upper Columbia River watershed before the dots of its progress end about 60 or 70 miles north of Kootenay Lake in late May.
"She's been on a walkabout for quite some time," says Pozzanghera.
However, its roughly 500-mile journey came to an abrupt end around May 21.
Pozzanghera says it was shot and killed in the pig sty of a local farmer. He says its carcass was turned over to a trapper -- working in the area after complaints from the farmer -- who in turn provided it to the BC Ministry of Environment which called WDFW.
The agency is making arrangement to get the collar and pelt back, he says.
Doug Zimmer of the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service in Lacey, Wash., says the skin will be used as an "educational display to teach people more about wolves."
The Teanaway disperser's journey was much more typical than the one of that internationally known wanderer, Oregon's OR7, currently in southwestern Lassen County, Calif.
"Dispersers are very vulnerable. They have no support from a pack, they're in country they don't know, they're hard up for food all the time," says Zimmer. "Lone wolves are romantic, but they don't survive well. Wolves are built to run and live in packs."
It's the second Washington wolf that's been killed out of state. Late last December, a female from the Diamond Pack of Pend Oreille County was legally trapped and killed 300 yards across the state line in Idaho.
The commission's presentation also includes a briefing and photos from the probable wolf depredation of a 200-pound calf on a Carlton ranch on May 19.
Pozzanghera says that the state's trapper for the area is just now getting the correct gear on the ground to capture and collar members of the Lookout Pack.
PATH OF THE DISPERSING TEANAWAY FEMALE, TRACKED BY GPS. THE MAP SHOWS ROUGHLY 60 DOTS FOR THE COURSE OF THE 70-DAY TREK. (ODFW)
Post by: danderson on June 10, 2012, 02:35:22 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2012, 04:30:57 AM
Other documented cases include OR-7 leaving NE Oregon and traveling across Oregon from corner to corner and then all over northern California.
Another documented wolf traveled from Yellowstone to northwest Montana, then through Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, and into Colorado where it died. all in less than six months.
If we have this many wolves documented as traveling long distances to find new homes, there is no guessing how many more wolves are traveling this far or farther, we really don't know all that is happening with wolf movement.
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2012, 04:39:05 AM
It seems agencies know more about wolf movement at times than they are telling the people about. This is the first I've heard about this wolf traveling far north into B.C., yet the map shows that the agency has been recieving signals from the wolf during the entire time it traveled northward.
I want to know how many wolves the agencies know are in Washington and how many are pioneering in other new areas in other states that they are not telling the people about. :twocents:
Post by: MtnMuley on June 10, 2012, 06:46:45 AM
:yeah: Very good point.
Post by: humanure on June 10, 2012, 07:04:22 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on June 10, 2012, 07:12:34 AM
The fact that they travel is not something new. The state shouldn't have to reveal the location of every single wolf, as that puts the animal in a threatened position from those that want to shoot it. Common sense, really.
Why do you feel they can conceal information they have? With public disclosure laws the way they are in this state, where every cop's home address is public record, don't you think that every bit of information that the state knows about wolves and their internal planning on the issue should also be available to the public? I though liberals liked transparency?
Post by: buckfvr on June 10, 2012, 07:30:03 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on June 10, 2012, 07:38:08 AM
The fact that they travel is not something new. The state shouldn't have to reveal the location of every single wolf, as that puts the animal in a threatened position from those that want to shoot it. Common sense, really.
Transparency should be at the heart of this project. Nobody expects a beacon locator but several people believe that there are far more animals than are being counted. WDFW all but openly admits that.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 10, 2012, 07:42:28 AM
The fact that they travel is not something new. The state shouldn't have to reveal the location of every single wolf, as that puts the animal in a threatened position from those that want to shoot it. Common sense, really.
Yes they should for that very reason. Yes it is common sense to track down a killer and take care of it.
Post by: Killmore on June 10, 2012, 08:19:50 AM
The fact that they travel is not something new. The state shouldn't have to reveal the location of every single wolf, as that puts the animal in a threatened position from those that want to shoot it. Common sense, really.The state uses our money and works for US,I think they should reveal...everything
Post by: humanure on June 10, 2012, 04:25:53 PM
Post by: wraithen on June 10, 2012, 04:31:32 PM
Post by: humanure on June 10, 2012, 07:03:37 PM
Post by: wraithen on June 10, 2012, 07:07:50 PM
Post by: 300rum on June 10, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
It would be amazing to me if we found out in Canada that protecting your property isn't a crime, but it is here.
Post by: Gringo31 on June 10, 2012, 07:14:08 PM
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You're arguement this time is baseless and tasteless.
This time?????? :chuckle:
It is my opinion that the only reason WDFW has said anything about it is becaue it involved another party. They figured word would get out so they thought they might as well be the ones to spill it. Everytime anyone asks questions about movement etc....they don't seem to know anything.
Post by: humanure on June 10, 2012, 08:34:48 PM
Post by: Kain on June 10, 2012, 08:45:03 PM
Nothing to see here, move along. Wolves only showed up a couple years ago ending 70 years of absents in WA state. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbio.org%2Finitiatives%2FESIN%2FMapImages%2Fgraywolf.jpg&hash=4d601a3524e8253b18e8d73a6893338050ef1441)
Post by: Kain on June 10, 2012, 08:49:16 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2012, 08:52:51 PM
Post by: wraithen on June 10, 2012, 08:53:57 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
Post by: wraithen on June 10, 2012, 08:59:59 PM
Post by: Kain on June 10, 2012, 09:00:06 PM
Is it possible they won't release that information because they know they're already above federal numbers? :dunno:
Its possible. They certainly have a lot to gain from manipulating the data. Not saying they are but the risk is there. And with how unnecessarily secretive they are with info and with the way they manage other predators it leaves the door open for speculation.
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2012, 09:05:40 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 10, 2012, 09:07:11 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 10, 2012, 09:09:38 PM
Imagine if members of this forum or some other trappers and hunters we all know could trap and collar wolves and monitor them, imagine the wealth of info that could be gathered. :twocents:
Post by: humanure on June 10, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
There is no law against not volunteering information(for a deemably good reason). Outright lying is one thing, but not the same.
Post by: wraithen on June 10, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
Post by: Kain on June 10, 2012, 09:29:35 PM
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/docs/wolves/reportAnnual11.pdf
Post by: predatorpro on June 10, 2012, 09:38:18 PM
Thats like hiring an artist for his skills, but while he begins to paint, you demand sketches of the art to come for you to see. I cannot speak for the dept. obviously, but I can understand why they would withhold certain info. Certain people display motives and actions, and you have to react to that for the good of what you are doing.never been to a tattoo parlor?
Post by: humanure on June 10, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 10, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 10, 2012, 11:27:07 PM
Post by: humanure on June 11, 2012, 06:01:10 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on June 11, 2012, 07:06:42 AM
Yes, yes there is. Especially within government projects that are not secretive in nature.They're not secretive in nature, but there is some sensitivity about locations, particularly denning and rendevous sites. They keep that quiet to protect wolves from poachers.
I'm not sure if they should be posting every wolf sighting, suppossed wolf sighting, suspected sighting.... you get the idea. It would be a big pain in the a$$...I would rather see that time go into field work. I like that they're letting us know when they get a collar in a pack, which they're doing a lot of. That's good information.
Post by: Killmore on June 11, 2012, 07:58:05 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on June 11, 2012, 08:14:19 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on June 11, 2012, 08:43:55 AM
By the way, are those little tiny tats or is our 'friend' totally inked?
Post by: Special T on June 11, 2012, 09:12:07 AM
BTW A simple map like the one shown with the basic dots on a blank state map are MORE than enough detail for most people... Even if you said there are 2 collard wolves in the Methow valley, thats a pretty big area... Not exactly giving away thier real time position. :twocents:
Post by: KopperBuck on June 11, 2012, 09:32:28 AM
Post by: villageidiot on June 11, 2012, 03:36:06 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 11, 2012, 03:53:19 PM
I have two elk tattoo's, one St. Francis and the Wolf of Gubbio tattoo, a Slipknot tattoo, a Fauna tattoo, 2 tattoo's dedicated to my dead best friend, a Black Flag tattoo, a GG Allin tattoo and a Bigfoot tattoo.
No one beleives you. Pics, lets see some pics of your bad ass tattoos
Post by: humanure on June 11, 2012, 08:49:14 PM
Post by: DeerThug on June 11, 2012, 09:05:07 PM
As for WDFW. anyone wonder why all of these wolves have collars and chips? So years ago when we 'did not have wolves' who was putting in the gps into these animals. Pretty sure it was not me or you. Or did they come to Washington with this hardware installed? Just a question in time.
Post by: wraithen on June 12, 2012, 01:32:49 AM
Post by: humanure on June 12, 2012, 03:03:31 AM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 12, 2012, 04:05:35 AM
Actually nevermind. A: Don't need you tracing my photobucket account, and B: I don't need to prove anything to someone with a grade school crush on me.
If you do not know how to post a pic without your entire Photobucket page, than you are a tool. I have no intention of tracking anything you do. But just like before with your lies that everybody caught. Prove you have tats.......Your credibilty sucks here.
Post by: humanure on June 12, 2012, 04:23:03 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on June 12, 2012, 05:25:07 AM
Post by: 300rum on June 12, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
Post by: seth30 on June 12, 2012, 09:29:07 AM
Falls right in to the category of people I tell my kids to watch out for.:yeah:
Post by: KopperBuck on June 12, 2012, 09:54:02 AM
Falls right in to the category of people I tell my kids to watch out for.
Which is what exactly?
Post by: WSU on June 12, 2012, 09:55:14 AM
Post by: Special T on June 12, 2012, 11:38:03 AM
Its so obvious i can only hope it is in the works. :bash:
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 12, 2012, 01:24:50 PM
Thats like hiring an artist for his skills, but while he begins to paint, you demand sketches of the art to come for you to see. I cannot speak for the dept. obviously, but I can understand why they would withhold certain info. Certain people display motives and actions, and you have to react to that for the good of what you are doing.
No, it's nothing like that. My money is being used by appointed officials representing our elected government. I should be able to track every dollar of my taxes. I have no choice where they spend my taxes, as I do with art. But, they are my taxes, none the less and governmental accountability and transparency are essential in a free society. If people use that information to commit crimes, then they'll be pursued and prosecuted. We know where the President lives. Does that mean he's at a higher risk of being assassinated? Maybe, but that's the chance he takes by accepting a position working for me.
Post by: combs338 on June 12, 2012, 01:42:57 PM
Thats like hiring an artist for his skills, but while he begins to paint, you demand sketches of the art to come for you to see. I cannot speak for the dept. obviously, but I can understand why they would withhold certain info. Certain people display motives and actions, and you have to react to that for the good of what you are doing.
No, it's nothing like that. My money is being used by appointed officials representing our elected government. I should be able to track every dollar of my taxes. I have no choice where they spend my taxes, as I do with art. But, they are my taxes, none the less and governmental accountability and transparency are essential in a free society. If people use that information to commit crimes, then they'll be pursued and prosecuted. We know where the President lives. Does that mean he's at a higher risk of being assassinated? Maybe, but that's the chance he takes by accepting a position working for me.
Well put!!! :tup:
Post by: humanure on June 12, 2012, 07:53:16 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 12, 2012, 10:31:53 PM
A pipe dream.
Put down your pipe. The bowl is empty.
Post by: humanure on June 13, 2012, 01:42:22 AM