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Title: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearmanric on June 11, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
Bound to happen. Rick


Lobo Watch

 Wolf attack in YNP is confirmed by the top -dog Doug Smith in Yellowstone National Park. A man was chased into a river by a pack of wolves, and he remained in the river long enough, without any other "mode" of escape of safety and had to be revitalized for extreme "cold- temperatures." Again this attack has been confirmed in YNP by Doug Smith, and another park official. There is also a witness to the attack, of a pack of 5 wolves chasing this man into the river.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: wraithen on June 11, 2012, 11:02:06 AM
Must've been hybrids. Wolves are wild animals and therefore would never do something like that unprovoked. Must be a conspiracy driven by none other than Gee Dubb. Bush is probably behind all this anti-wolf stuff anyway. He IS an evil rancher. I hope the wolves were ok.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: sebek556 on June 11, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
to little to late.. if this would have happened a few months ago we might be in a better off.  :dunno:
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 11, 2012, 11:25:37 AM
But I thought wolves were shy and ran from people.  He must have been old, sick and weak.
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Post by: seth30 on June 11, 2012, 11:28:15 AM
Good, the more of this that happens in national parks the better :twocents:  When it happens in our own backyard and ranches no one cares or knows, but you cant keep stuff like this attack from making the news.   :tup:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: dirty24d on June 11, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
But I thought wolves were shy and ran from people.  He must have been old, sick and weak.


That one made my day right there!!
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: MichaelJ on June 11, 2012, 11:35:43 AM
Was just on my way over here to post this!  Here's a follow up post from Lobowatch:

"Bea James Baker
YNP ph# 307-344-7381, Doug Smith. Scott B Rockholm (Yellowstone is Dead) has interviewed Doug Smith. Doug has acknowledged an incident but with a much different story line. Here is the quoted info from Scott's post: "Doug Smith is claiming that A female wolf escorted a man away from the den site. My source said that 5 wolves moved on the man until he retreated to the river, where the man floated a mile with wolves following. More to come." Will keep you all informed."

Mike
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: seth30 on June 11, 2012, 11:37:40 AM
that would suck to float down a cold river for a mile with a pack of wolves following :yike:
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Post by: Machias on June 11, 2012, 12:21:34 PM
Breaking News: It was just discovered the 5 wolves had just returned from a showing of the movie "The Grey".  :):)
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Post by: seth30 on June 11, 2012, 12:23:35 PM
Breaking News: It was just discovered the 5 wolves had just returned from a showing of the movie "The Grey".  :):)
you just made me spit my coffee out :chuckle:
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Post by: brianmtsinc on June 11, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
 :yeah:
 :chuckle: :chuckle:  Now that's  funny!
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Post by: Special T on June 11, 2012, 12:28:39 PM
Guess i'm gona have to rent that one...
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Post by: dirty24d on June 11, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
http://thegreythemovie.com/   

Trailer on first page. The wolves must have gotten all fired up after watching it!! good call Machias!!

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Post by: JohnVH on June 11, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
trying to find an actual article about it, no luck yet..
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Post by: Huntboy on June 11, 2012, 12:57:55 PM
But I thought wolves were shy and ran from people.  He must have been old, sick and weak.
:yeah: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Moose-head on June 11, 2012, 01:45:38 PM
Do you have a link to the story? 
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: MichaelJ on June 11, 2012, 02:12:51 PM
No links yet.  Word of the LoboWatch FB page is that YNP is trying REALLY hard to suppress this story...  not surprising!

Mike
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 11, 2012, 02:28:37 PM
No links yet.  Word of the LoboWatch FB page is that YNP is trying REALLY hard to suppress this story...  not surprising!

Mike
I tried searching for the story and couldn't find anything on this yet.  The best I could find was a story about a wolf that the park killed in 2009 because it kept chasing people on bicycles and motorcycles.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 11, 2012, 04:57:53 PM
Heard about this yesterday but they weren't admitting it happened yet. A post was made on facebook asking people to call the park to release the story.  :tup:

Very glad the guy was smart enough to get in the river....  :yike: :yike: :yike:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: xsf1 on June 11, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
I'm happy to hear the guy was okay, This is a sad realization that the environmentalists are going to have to come to... wolves are not a friendly group of animals, that's why there is stories about "the big bad wolf" that have been around since before all the farmers tried to kill them off in the first place.

expect to see a lot more of this kind of news, then sooner or later (later) society will realize that once again, us outdoorsmen were right again and the wolf population need to be closely regulated or they will eventually be the dominant species in the woods. this is a sad story.
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Post by: Special T on June 11, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
We need to figure out who this guy is and get his story! THAT would make some news!
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Post by: sebek556 on June 11, 2012, 11:01:12 PM
Yellowstone will do all it can to get rid of this story or play it down to where they calmy asked him to leave and gave him a pinic basket for leaving. Why? Kids are out of school next week and they want the almighty green.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: MichaelJ on June 11, 2012, 11:10:59 PM
I just read that the story is he was "escorted from the den by a single wolf" until he jumped in the river...  RIGHT!!!!!!

Mike
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on June 11, 2012, 11:59:55 PM
Well they killed all the deer and elk so now they are turning to people.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: NWBREW on June 12, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
So what is their interpitation of "escorted"? How does a wolf ask you to leave?

I am thinking he was chased......and you can bet your butt there was more then just one.....even if that was all that was seen at the time.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: wraithen on June 12, 2012, 01:31:34 AM
Ok, on this one I may have an answer. There is honestly an "escort" command for military working dogs. As long as you continue doing what you were doing the dog just watches you. Any sudden movement or take off running and you're gonna get it. Maybe that's what this wolf was doing?  :dunno: If that's the case then I'd bet it's either the germans or the italians training these yellowstone woofs.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 12, 2012, 01:54:16 AM
Anyone come up with the link ??
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: sebek556 on June 12, 2012, 09:26:18 AM
still nothing on it.. found a youtube video from 2010 of a guy try to smack one with a stick and screaming at it to get away...
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Post by: bearpaw on June 12, 2012, 09:29:32 AM
Maybe they can find out the identity of the guy, get a statement and go public with that....  :dunno:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearmanric on June 12, 2012, 10:04:30 AM






Bea James Baker

 to update the YNP wolf attack story - per Scott B Rockholm of "Yellowstone is Dead" http://www.youtube.com/​watch?v=dYxGJB5dJxI. Scott did extensive interviewing today w YNP officials and others. per Scott "I received a tip on a developing story out of Yellowstone Park about a man that was attacked by a pack of wolves. I interviewed Doug Smith, Wolf Project Leader, and the event did occur. The Park Service is down playing the event, but I should have more details soon." This was earlier this morning. He has spent the day piecing the story together. Will post more as it arrives.





www.youtube.com
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2012, 06:42:56 AM
no surprise here...


Park officials looking into hiker's encounter with wolf

June 12, 2012 8:30 pm  •  By MARTIN KIDSTON mkidston@billingsgazette.com
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/park-officials-looking-into-hiker-s-encounter-with-wolf/article_d7792b2f-c56f-5ee9-a173-60955d360864.html?print=true&cid=print

CODY, Wyo. — A man hiking in Yellowstone National Park encountered a female wolf outside a den and sprayed the animal with pepper spray before fleeing the scene.

Yellowstone Park officials confirmed Tuesday that the man, whose name was not released, encountered a female wolf in the Hayden Valley.

While park officials continue to investigate the incident, a spokesman said Tuesday that the man was hiking when he came across the wolf outside a den.

“There was no wolf attack,” park spokesman Al Nash said. “However, a visitor apparently had some sort of encounter with a wolf. The wolf did not attack him. He was not injured by a wolf.”

The wolf allegedly gave a warning bark, which the man interpreted as a growl. He sprayed the wolf with pepper spray — a deterrent most often used in bear encounters. The hiker heard the wolf yipping as a result of the spray as he fled.

Park officials said the man jumped into the Yellowstone River, believing the wolf might pursue him. He apparently lost his backpack as he was washed downriver and was treated by park rangers for hypothermia.

“This gentleman encountered a wolf, just as many visitors encounter bears, elk or sheep,” said Nash. “I don’t know what his decision-making process was. He chose to get away from the animal. Why he chose to go into the Yellowstone River, I just don’t know.”

Yellowstone wolf biologist Doug Smith and Dave Hallac, who oversees Yellowstone’s natural and cultural resources, could not be reached Tuesday for comment.

Wolves are commonly seen in the Hayden and Lamar valley areas of the park. Wildlife spotters often watch from surrounding vantage points as the animals cross the Hayden Valley’s sweeping meadows.

Versions of the latest story have already circulated on an unofficial Facebook page dedicated to Yellowstone National Park. But park officials said the investigating continues and details at this point are few.

“We have human-animal encounters all the time in the park,” said park spokesman Dan Hottle. “We have some kind of encounter on a daily basis, and we have to rely on the signage and information we put out on wildlife safety. The other 50 percent has to come from the park visitor.”

Park officials said trails are often posted as being closed in areas of known wolf dens or high bear activity. It’s unknown if the man was on a trail posted as closed, or if he was on a trail at all.

“We remind people to maintain the minimum distances to wildlife, which is 25 yards from most big animals, and 100 yards from bears and wolves,” Nash said. “The smart thing to do, if you feel an animal is responding to your presence, is to increase the distance to that animal.”
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: seth30 on June 14, 2012, 06:45:04 AM
Wow pepper spray, I would be carrying bear mace  :yike:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Killmore on June 14, 2012, 08:15:03 AM
So It's the guys fault, what is this country coming to....
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: TheHunt on June 14, 2012, 09:22:00 AM
A friend of mine was just hired at YNP as a Ranger.  I will ask him when I get a chance.  He also lives in West Yellowstone so I have a place to stay if I get drawn for a hunt there.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: MichaelJ on June 14, 2012, 09:51:55 AM
YNP officials are going to be in a LOT of trouble when somebody else gets attacked by wolves for downplaying this incident so much...   :twocents:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2012, 10:00:07 AM
YNP officials are going to be in a LOT of trouble when somebody else gets attacked by wolves for downplaying this incident so much...   :twocents:

You are exactly right, that's what happened with grizzly bear attacks, they downplayed them until it started happening repeatedly.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Special T on June 14, 2012, 10:02:12 AM
It would be much better to get this guys story out NOW than to let them spin it the way they want... If we let them control the info release it will say exactly what thye want. :twocents:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: TheHunt on June 14, 2012, 10:22:52 AM
You wonder if he got a pay check to keep quiet.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2012, 10:35:29 AM
You wonder if he got a pay check to keep quiet.

That guy is one of the biggest wolf promoters in YNP, that's why he played it down.
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Post by: sebek556 on June 14, 2012, 10:52:29 AM
 :puke: wow, this makes me sick. surprised they didn't blame him jumping in the river on the movie the grey.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Special T on June 14, 2012, 10:55:30 AM
Kinda Ironic the movie and the real thing huh?  :chuckle:
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Post by: pianoman9701 on June 14, 2012, 10:57:16 AM
I wonder which side of the wolf issue he's on now?
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Post by: Machias on June 14, 2012, 11:01:11 AM
Remember the  botanist that was mauled and killed by the sedated grizzly bear a year or two ago.  The US Fish and Wildlife came out and basically said you can't protect the stupid people, the whole area was sign posted.  They really made this guy look like a Darwin Award competitor.  Only after the family demanded an investigation was it found the whole smear campaign was a lie.  They had taken the signs down.  They guy wandered into a wounded and sedated grizzly who had been left right next to the fricken trail with no warning signs.  So don't put it past them to blame the guy so the wolf will not look bad.  On a different note remember the kayaker who saved the women who fled into the river to avoid the grizzly attack last year, footage of that "attack" showed is was a small brown colored black bear trying to make it's way down to the river to cool off. The women and the kayaker were never in any danger.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
I wonder which side of the wolf issue he's on now?

I meant that it's the guy manipulating the report that is the wolf promoter, I have no idea who the guy was that got nearly attacked. Sorry about the confusion.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: humanure on June 14, 2012, 12:40:21 PM
I wonder which side of the wolf issue he's on now?

I meant that it's the guy manipulating the report that is the wolf promoter, I have no idea who the guy was that got nearly attacked. Sorry about the confusion.

You know, past story manipulations aside, I don't think it's far from the mind to believe that he may have just pepper sprayed the wolf and ran like the dickins into a river without looking back. Not everyone has nerves of steel to back away slowly and keep an eye on the predator until your out of the area. I would think most tourists just run along into YNP without proper knowledge or training with the wildlife to know what to do. In any case, if he indeed pepper sprayed the wolf, the wolf is not a bear who will ignore it to give chase, I think the wolf would definately be deterred.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Special T on June 14, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
I met the first park ranger to use bear mace on a Grizz. She was in the Teition National park just south of yellowstone. The Grizz stopped dead in its tracks and came no closer and turned and left. Granted the bear was so close the ranger could smell the nasty breakfast the bear had from its heavy breathing.  :twocents: Bear mace works.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: mkcj on June 14, 2012, 12:44:48 PM
 “I don't know what his decision-making process was. He chose to get away from the animal. Why he chose to go into the Yellowstone River, I just don't know.”

Well maybe he didn't want to become lunch for the pup's? But I don't have a wolf degree like they do.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: humanure on June 14, 2012, 12:48:54 PM
I met the first park ranger to use bear mace on a Grizz. She was in the Teition National park just south of yellowstone. The Grizz stopped dead in its tracks and came no closer and turned and left. Granted the bear was so close the ranger could smell the nasty breakfast the bear had from its heavy breathing.  :twocents: Bear mace works.

Well yeah, thats bear mace. This guy only had pepper spray, not as strong.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Woodchuck on June 14, 2012, 12:59:45 PM
I wonder which side of the wolf issue he's on now?

I meant that it's the guy manipulating the report that is the wolf promoter, I have no idea who the guy was that got nearly attacked. Sorry about the confusion.

You know, past story manipulations aside, I don't think it's far from the mind to believe that he may have just pepper sprayed the wolf and ran like the dickins into a river without looking back. Not everyone has nerves of steel to back away slowly and keep an eye on the predator until your out of the area. I would think most tourists just run along into YNP without proper knowledge or training with the wildlife to know what to do. In any case, if he indeed pepper sprayed the wolf, the wolf is not a bear who will ignore it to give chase, I think the wolf would definately be deterred.
Why do you think "the wolf would definately deterred"?
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: humanure on June 14, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
Well, if he got the wolf directly in the eyes and nose... yeah, I'd say the wolf had more to worry about after that. Pepper spray hurts. ALOT.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: humanure on June 14, 2012, 01:16:16 PM
My friends can was accidentally triggered(don't keep them on a key chain!) while we were in a car. It filled the space and got us all.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
I can understand why a person would climb out of reach or get in the water, in my opinion the guy was thinking intelligently.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: humanure on June 14, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
But if you run like that(unless the river was REALLY close by), that triggers the chase instinct.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2012, 02:08:39 PM
But if you run like that(unless the river was REALLY close by), that triggers the chase instinct.

who said he ran
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2012, 02:11:52 PM
Elk and other prey often go to water to escape predators?
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: humanure on June 14, 2012, 02:15:21 PM
I didn't say going into the water was a bad idea. I just don't know what the distance was between the den and the rivver. If he turned and ran a great distance, that might not have been the best idea(depending on circumstances).
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 14, 2012, 02:15:55 PM
But if you run like that(unless the river was REALLY close by), that triggers the chase instinct.

who said he ran

This is another of Manure's expert areas, BP. The man obviously made the wolves attack him through his ignorance of the fight or flight triggers. It's widely known by people like Manure that any negative or hostile interaction between wolves and man are the man's fault.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: humanure on June 14, 2012, 02:32:11 PM
Did I say that? No. I never said anything was his fault. I am just questioning the circumstances. He could have been chased... or he could have just pepper sprayed a wolf giving him a warning growl and ran like hell without looking back, assuming he was being chased. I really doubt the 'escorted' claim. Wolves don't escort bears away from their den, they chase them off. The wolf could have followed to make sure he was moving along, if it indeed followed him. And don't put words in my mouth, considering I don't do that to you guys.
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 14, 2012, 03:10:31 PM
uh-huh. :bs:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: silverdalesauer on June 14, 2012, 03:25:22 PM
Breaking News: It was just discovered the 5 wolves had just returned from a showing of the movie "The Grey".  :):)

I was thinking the same thing!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: bearmanric on June 15, 2012, 09:26:38 AM
http://lobowatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/is-there-more-to-yellowstone-wolf-attack-than-park-officials-are-admitting/
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Post by: Special T on June 15, 2012, 09:32:51 AM
 :yeah:
Good Article I sure hope some one can dig up this guys name so that the record can be stet Straight!
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Joeman3285 on June 16, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
Geez... What's the big deal?  The guy walked up on a wolf den at a time of the year when there are likely pups then got chased off and jumped in the river.  If the wolves were hell bent on taking him down as prey I doubt he could have run fast to get away.  Unless of course he was right on the water.  Just my  :twocents:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: sebek556 on June 19, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
I was talking about this incident with my dad, a retired mail man. He pointed out a few interesting points to me. Being a mail man he has experience with both attack dogs and pepper spray. 1 their are types of dogs that are immune to pepper spray i.e. pit bulls, and other types have a higher tolerance to it i.e. Rottweiler's. 2 to stop a dog from attacking it has to be a direct shot, it can't be a close spray it has to be dead on, for this reason mailmen carry a form of bear mace not self defense pepper spray. So, with this in mind would a man so scared of a "warning bark" that he ran and jumped unprovoked into a freezing river be able to get a direct spray on a wolf? and would pepper spray work on a wolf?
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: sebek556 on June 19, 2012, 10:25:58 PM
  Two years later, on September 25, 1998, another Algonquin wolf circled a little girl and despite blasts of pepper spray, didn't leave until the child entered a trailer.
quote from a story on http://www.wildsentry.org/WolfAttack.html
other than this I cannot find anything on a wolf being pepper sprayed other than the Yellowstone incident where of course it is being recounted over and over again as the poor wolf, or it was a anti-wolver trying to cause problems  :bash:
Title: Re: Wolf attack yellow stone.
Post by: Nilehunter on July 03, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
But I thought wolves were shy and ran from people.  He must have been old, sick and weak.

LOL!! Thining the heard
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