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Title: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 03:20:06 PM: which is better and what really is the difference?

i want to go with a 150 grain....but the accubond only goes to 140.....

what is the performance differance between the nosler ballistic and the nosler accubond.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 03:32:50 PM: Accubond will stay together, Ballistic Tip won't.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 03:35:31 PM: what about the silver tip?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: huntnphool on August 09, 2008, 03:40:47 PM: Quote from: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 03:20:06 PM
which is better and what really is the difference?
i want to go with a 150 grain....but the accubond only goes to 140.....
what is the performance differance between the nosler ballistic and the nosler accubond.

For deer I use the 140 partition with great success, just another one for you to consider :twocents:
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 03:41:47 PM: Quote from: huntnphool on August 09, 2008, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 03:20:06 PM
which is better and what really is the difference?
i want to go with a 150 grain....but the accubond only goes to 140.....
what is the performance differance between the nosler ballistic and the nosler accubond.

For deer I use the 140 partition with great success, just another one for you to consider :twocents:
FOR DEER.........i need something for bear, elk, and deer......
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: huntnphool on August 09, 2008, 03:45:52 PM: both of these were dropped with one shot each using 140gr. Federal Premium Nosler Partitions a day apart, do you still have doubt?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 03:52:00 PM: i have always used ballistics, no doubt, but what i trust....but know i have seen alot of extra info on the ilver tips, accubond and regular ballistics, and i am a big nosler fan so that is what i want to stick to.....

does anyone know which would be the most accurate, long range hard hitting of the three....i think i am leaning towards the silvertips.......maybe accubond 140s...

can anyone tell me what the differance would be with shooting a 140 and a 150 grain bullet at either long range or short.......? Whats are the benefits.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 03:53:00 PM: The Partitions will work for anything, so will the Accubond. Go with whichever one shoots best in your rifle. You might also try the Barnes TSX.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: huntnphool on August 09, 2008, 03:57:09 PM: CHJ, just to give you an idea, that elk was dropped with the one shot at 280 yards, the deer at about 80
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 04:01:51 PM: You haven't said what cartridge you're shooting these out of? I'm guessing 270? Either way, 140 or 150 won't make much difference. With the Ballistic Tips I'd go with the heaviest available, so 150's, since they won't stay together. Now the Silver Tips, I believe they are no different than the Ballistic Tips, performance wise, they're just a different color.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: huntnphool on August 09, 2008, 04:05:45 PM: Oops, it is a Ruger 7mm
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 04:07:27 PM: I shoot a .270

can anyone tell me what the real differance between a higher grained bullet is.....
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 04:35:56 PM: The heavier weight bullet will have a higher ballistic coefficient than the lighter bullet, meaning it is more aerodynamic. Being heavier, it will start out slower, but will also lose velocity slower. Your 150 grain bullet will have a muzzle velocity of about 200 feet per second less than the 130, but at 500 yards the difference will be less than 100 fps. The difference in drop at long range is negligible...only about 3 inches less drop for the 130 grain at 400 yards when both are zeroed at 200 yards. For elk it only makes sense to go with a heavier bullet, for deer it doesn't make a bit of difference, IMO. If you're using a really good bullet like a Barnes TSX then you'll be just fine with the 130 even for elk because they retain about 90% of their weight, whereas the Partition generally only retains about 65%. It's really just a matter of personal preference. No animal is going to know the difference between a 130 and a 150 out of a 270. And, obviously, the difference between a 140 and 150 is even less. As I said before, go with whatever shoots the tightest groups in your rifle.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 04:40:32 PM: THANKS A BUNCH............

Know you answered that question, so do you know what the big difference between a Nosler Ballistic, Accubond, And silvertip is?

i heard that you can get even better results from the silvertip than either the accubond and the ballistic......any opinions or actual knowledge?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Gobble on August 09, 2008, 04:43:06 PM: I shoot a 700 rem in .30-06. I also shoot the Federal Premium High Energy with the Nosler partition in 180 gr. I just like the heavier bullet, it's great for Bear, Deer, Elk, Moose, etc.. The 140 gr is just fine if you hit it in the sweet spot as is 150 gr., I just prefer the more smackdown power of the heavire slug. I shot a coyote last deer season at 400 yrds and dropped it in its tracks. I also shot my buck last year at 200 yrds and it never moved out of its bed. so it's really up to you :dunno: My dad shoots a .270 and has for ever and killed many animals with it. It just comes down to what you are comfortable with, they all will work just fine
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 04:45:36 PM: yah i hear you but i am looking for better results and looking for something on paper that proves it......proves the performance differances that is......
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 04:45:58 PM: The silvertip is a ballistic tip with a black coating and a fancy name. No other difference that I'm aware of. The accubond, as you can tell from the name, is a bonded bullet, made to stay together. So if you want to go with Nosler and you want a bullet that you can use on deer, elk, bear, etc and at any reasonable distance and angle, then go with the Accubond. Or, try the new e-tip. It's 100% copper. That's the next bullet on my list to try. I want to try the 150's in my 30-06.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 04:49:32 PM: Here, you can read all about all the Nosler bullets here:

http://www.nosler.com/?p=3
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 04:50:02 PM: e-tip looks good but it only comes in 130 grain for 270.......

what are your thoughts about the fragmenting of the silvertip?

do all ballistic tips fragment?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 04:53:25 PM: Yes, the silvertip and ballistic tips will come apart, especially at shorter ranges when your velocity is higher, and/or when you hit bone. They are not bonded like the Accubond. The Accubond is for people who want a bullet that doesn't come apart. The e-tips should be even better in that regard as they are all copper. The 130 grain weight is plenty of bullet in the e-tip because it will stay together, unlike the Partition, and other conventional bullets.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 04:54:37 PM: Quote from: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 03:32:50 PM
Accubond will stay together, Ballistic Tip won't.
whats the benefit of this? different price?

and the e-tip says it keeps 95% weight for inproved penetration?

what does that mean?

is it going to have as much stopping force as a 150 grain that only keeps 65% of its weight?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 04:56:08 PM: sorry for all the stupid questions.......but thanks for answering them, and i was on that website as you posted it, and midway, and cabelas, and google all at once.....

imtaking in alot of info..........lol...........
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 04:58:37 PM: The benefit is improved penetration, just as Nosler says about the e-tip. The better the bullet, the more it costs. You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 05:01:56 PM: that really doesnt answer my question......

so the e tip weighing 130 grains is going to penetrate farther in my elk, deer, or bear, possably go threw it.....

But a 150 grain ballistic is going to hit my animal like a huge bat and go a long way threw it, but knock it on its but and do more damage on the inside......

Is this correct or no? i dont really understand the whole weight of the bullet thing.......
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 05:07:04 PM: Chances are a ballistic tip will make a bigger hole, yes. But the e-tip or Accubond is much more likely to go all the way through an animal, no matter what the angle. It all depends on what you want. A bigger hole and more meat ruined, and possibly a quicker kill, or do you want to have a dependable bullet that you can rely on, and that you don't have to pass up a shot because it's not standing broadside?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 05:08:40 PM: Quote from: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 05:07:04 PM
Chances are a ballistic tip will make a bigger hole, yes. But the e-tip or Accubond is much more likely to go all the way through an animal, no matter what the angle. It all depends on what you want. A bigger hole and more meat ruined, and possibly a quicker kill, or do you want to have a dependable bullet that you can rely on, and that you don't have to pass up a shot because it's not standing broadside?

animals standing perfectly broadside or not has never stopped me from shooting it with a ballistic....but i want something better........

is the money really that different..........?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 05:16:29 PM: OK...so if you want something better get the e-tip and no, the money isn't that different when you only need one bullet per animal.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 05:17:40 PM: NICE I LIKE THAT...........

so 130 grains is going to shoot a elk the same at 300 yrds as a 150 grain bulet will?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2008, 05:24:07 PM: The 130 e-tip (or Accubond) is going to be more reliable on that 300 yard elk, than any of the cheap 150's you might use.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 05:32:48 PM: thanks for calling my stuff cheap.......... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Hoyt204 on August 09, 2008, 07:01:36 PM: I love the 150gr Noseler Partion. Every deer I shot with it dropped in its tracks and if the bullet didn't pass through it stayed togher great. I liked the 150gr better than the 130gr just because of the extra knock down and also where I hunted I never had a shot over 200yds. Even at 300yds plus there isn't that much difference between the 2 especially if you reload and can find a load that works good for you.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Bookworm on August 09, 2008, 07:31:17 PM: I've been hunting with a 270 for over 20 years. I started out with 130 grn bullets cuz someone told me they would be the best for that caliber. I shot those for a couple of years before my uncle talked me into reloading. He also turned me onto Nosler Partitions.I switched to 150 grn bullets and I've never shot anything else thru the three 270's I've had. I think the farthest I've ever had a deer go is under 50 yds. Most all of the deer that I've shot have been pass thrus.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 07:37:33 PM: i have been using ballistics since i was15 or so.......

I have always shot reloads, and everything was made for my dads remington.....

I have a winchester mdl 70 .270 and am thinking of using something a bit newer than just the ballistic tips.....

But i want to hunt Bigger game and am affraid that if i move to a smaller bullet size that i will loose the knock down power that i have with a 150 grain bullet.......

really my question is.......should i go with a 150 grain Silvertip or 140 accubond?

here are my two situations.........Everything i hunt is usually shot at more than 150 yrds.....

I hunt WT currently and am usually a 1 shot killer, but......i want to hunt ELK and HUGE BEARS.....

which will stop both faster............I dont want to track, i want to drop them where they stand.......
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 07:45:45 PM: i think im going accubonds?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Bookworm on August 09, 2008, 07:46:11 PM: If you are going to hunt larger animals you need to go to either the accubond or the partition. Either one will do the job if you do your part.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 07:48:46 PM: i usually dont have a problem doing my part, but i am afraid of the bear i want to shoot and am afraid that if i shoot him that he will run and i will never find him..........thats why i want the extra little bit....but looking at the velocity between the 140 and 150 isnt much......just trying to figure out what the energy differance is.........
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Bofire on August 09, 2008, 08:52:43 PM: it is two discussions Jay.

Weight is one factor, as is bullet length, the heavier the bullet the longer it is in a given caliber, many old timers think long bullets penetrate futher and straighter than shorter fat bullets.

Bullet construction is a different question.

A heavy bullet can be made to expand rapidly a lighter bullet can be made to penetrate and also the other way.

In your 270 for Elk, Bear, deer, I would lean to a 130 or 150 grain, I dont think it matters much and at least medium stout bullet.

I use all 130 in my 270, I like Hornady bullets, I prefer flat base. use the bullet that shoots the best in your gun. I also like Sierra Game Kings.
Carl
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 10, 2008, 06:22:43 AM: yah that is good info..i am sure i am going accubond........would like to find out what the pluses and minuses of each are.....but i think overall the accubond is the winner......
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: GEARHEAD on August 10, 2008, 11:25:16 PM: that picture of that gas guzzling suv with those poor murdered animals thrown atop is hardly enviromentaly friendly. Somewhere out there, a Subaru owner is weeping. :'( Lol.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: huntnphool on August 10, 2008, 11:57:30 PM: Quote from: GEARHEAD on August 10, 2008, 11:25:16 PM
that picture of that gas guzzling suv with those poor murdered animals thrown atop is hardly enviromentaly friendly. Somewhere out there, a Subaru owner is weeping. :'( Lol.

Come on Gearhead, it should say "fuel guzzling suv", its a diesel :chuckle:
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: MountainWalk on August 11, 2008, 02:02:42 AM: Jay, twas I you, Id just shoot Partitions. No worries.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 11, 2008, 01:59:28 PM: thanks guys already got the accubonds and powder and am going to start once the bullets arrive.......should be interesting.........

who has a gas guzzler, i drive a jeep?
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Curly on August 11, 2008, 07:49:28 PM: I think you made a good choice going w/ the 140gr Accubond. Bonded bullets are great.....hope you get them to shoot well, which they should if you already had good luck with BT's.

IMO I'd rank the Nosler bullets in this order (for best bullet to use in your .270):

1. E-tip
2. Accubond
3. Partition

I wouldn't even consider using the Ballistic Tip or Silver Tip........although I've killed a few deer with 150 gr ballistic tips (mostly head/neck shots). With the advent of the Accubond and other company's bonded bullets, you don't really need to use ballistic tips anymore.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: andrew_12gauge on August 12, 2008, 10:16:03 PM: good choice with the accubonds to answer the question you asked about weight retention for future reference if a 140 gr. accubond retains 90% of its weight then you have 126 gr. in the end, if a 150 gr ballistic tip retains 65% of its original weight then you end up with a 97.5 gr bullet in the end. mass x velocity= energy so to really put a hurtin on somethin use the bullet that will end up with the most mass in the end. i shot an elk 6 times with ballistic tips from my .300 wsm and never had more than an inch of penetration from any of them, could've just been a faulty lot but they were blowin up the second they hit that tough elk hide, accubonds will hold up and probably wont stop till they hit hide on the way out or hit a tree after passing all the way through
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: Coasthunterjay on August 25, 2008, 09:49:01 PM: thanks a bunch andrew, that answered my question to a T!

wow.......good post.....i totally understood that....lol...what a dork i am but really descriptive........

thanks man, im glad i went with the accubonds, know i just have to read up on where and how to start reloading........
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: JoshT on August 26, 2008, 09:02:52 AM: Ballistic Tip, Partition, Interbond, TBBC, TSX, T-TSX, Accubond, Hot Core, Game King or a freaking ROUND BALL... put it through both lungs... and you'll be needing a skinning knife.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: KillBilly on August 26, 2008, 09:16:00 AM: Quote from: Coasthunterjay on August 09, 2008, 07:48:46 PM
i usually dont have a problem doing my part, but i am afraid of the bear i want to shoot and am afraid that if i shoot him that he will run and i will never find him..........thats why i want the extra little bit....but looking at the velocity between the 140 and 150 isnt much......just trying to figure out what the energy differance is.........

The 140 will hit much harder because it has less drag in the barrel and will be traveling faster. It's all about friction between the 140 & 150.
Title: Re: Nosler Versus
Post by: JoshT on August 26, 2008, 10:27:35 AM: A 150 NBT has less bearing (amount of bullet that actually touches barrel) surface than a 130 grain Sierra flat-base... so IF it's all about friction... the 150 should be going faster... right?????