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Title: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2019, 04:15:23 PM
Who's doing KETO?

Let's post up some recipes!
Title: Re: The KETO recipe thread (recipes only)
Post by: bowhunterforever on January 03, 2019, 01:57:07 AM
Tag :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO recipe thread (recipes only)
Post by: grundy53 on January 03, 2019, 04:38:57 AM
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Title: Re: The KETO recipe thread (recipes only)
Post by: bigjohn98591 on January 03, 2019, 01:32:27 PM
I'm in! My wife n I are getting ready to start this diet/lifestyle, so this is perfect timing.
Title: Re: The KETO recipe thread (recipes only)
Post by: super186 on January 03, 2019, 01:40:30 PM
Tag
Title: Re: The KETO recipe thread (recipes only)
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 03, 2019, 02:30:26 PM
I will throw a couple up later tonight, Fat Head Pizza and Chicken Carbonara.
Title: Re: The KETO recipe thread (recipes only)
Post by: Stein on January 03, 2019, 04:08:51 PM
Crack slaw is great, fathead pizza is awesome as well.


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 03, 2019, 04:15:48 PM
Crack slaw looks good!
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Post by: Timberstalker on January 03, 2019, 04:17:24 PM
This chicken cordon bleu casserole is pretty damn good!

https://joyfilledeats.com/chicken-cordon-bleu-casserole/
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 03, 2019, 04:24:58 PM
I did Keto for a month or so, not militant, it was easy!  I never got the "keto flu" that many others seem to get but I don't eat a ton of carbs anyways.  If you live in a bread and snikers diet then good luck with that flu, maybe just cut back on that stuff for a while and add in more protein/fat before you get off the crack.

I dropped about 20 lbs then went off Keto for the holidays, in retrospect I should have stayed keto through the holidays I'd be much further ahead now.   


I don't understand all the mumbo jumbo about measuring your whatevers;  I just *try to* eat 70% fat, 25% protein and try to keep carbs under 5% total.   
It seems pretty easy to over complicate this diet...


I found it was super easy to do 18+ hour fasts. 

my energy levels were pretty flat, I never got energy spikes nor did I ever feel super low, it was a steady perkins diesel engine kind of energy. 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 03, 2019, 04:41:14 PM
Iím about the same as KF, I donít measure or track anything.

Another good meal is a Philly cheese steak minus the bun in a bowl.  Cheddar or Blue Cheese are both great and game meat is always the best of course.  Go light on the onions if you are that careful.

For breakfast, I got on a sandwich kick for a while where I made a mug cake, cut in half with a sausage patty, egg and cheese.

Now, Iím hooked on Sous Vide soft boiled eggs.  I put them in, hit my workout and they are waiting when I finish.


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kellama2001 on January 03, 2019, 06:35:37 PM
Tagging, will also post a killer keto crockpot chili recipe when I get a chance. You don't even miss the beans!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 03, 2019, 06:39:23 PM
Keto is a sustainable diet. Iíve been on it for 13 months and have had great success. I went from 239 last January to 190 today.

Itís a lifestyle. Iíve enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: jackelope on January 03, 2019, 06:59:41 PM
Keto is a sustainable diet. Iíve been on it for 13 months and have had great success. I went from 239 last January to 190 today.

Itís a lifestyle. Iíve enjoyed it.

Is Busch Lite Keto approved?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: ghosthunter on January 03, 2019, 07:09:56 PM
Wife and I are in about 3 months now. Lost 30 lbs.

Tonight keto breakfast chili.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 03, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
Tagging. Been off and on, but gonna go back on Sunday for a month.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 03, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
Keto is a sustainable diet. Iíve been on it for 13 months and have had great success. I went from 239 last January to 190 today.

Itís a lifestyle. Iíve enjoyed it.

Is Busch Lite Keto approved?

Yes, per my revised Keto Plan!

I have one cheat meal a month; there may or may not be large amounts of Busch Lite consumed.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 03, 2019, 07:24:13 PM
56 years old, Started June 1st 2018. Was 277 now at 185 never felt better 41 waist to a 32. "LOST 90 LBS"

Lots of Eggs and Bacon
Lasagna with zucchini slices for the noodles
Philly cheese steak no bun
Hamburgers any restaurant or at home no bun veggies instead of fries
Cauliflower potato salad
Mashed Cauliflower
Steaks
Green Salads
Chicken Salad
Artichoke dip
Spinach dip
Cauliflower Nachos
Clam Chowder use heavy cream and no potatoes
Stuffed Peppers use sausage and ground beef peppers and onions mozzarella cheese
Bacon burger casserole like a cheeseburger but in a pot
Meatballs
beef and cabbage soup
I even made almond flour bread, mind you it tastes odd but it was really good warm with butter, or soft eggs.


Sorry not much of a recipe guy, I just throw things together.
There is no end to what you can eat there is so much information on the net.

Dave
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: JBG on January 03, 2019, 07:28:25 PM
Any of you guys check your vitals after being on KETO like cholesterol etc?  My wife is an RD and does not recommend it for anyone but people who need to control seizures.  I guess if you can stick with it more power to you!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 03, 2019, 07:49:53 PM
Full physical about half way because it was just that time. No issues with anything doctor was very happy with the weight loss, and did not say to change anything.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: cem3434 on January 03, 2019, 07:56:19 PM
Tagging along.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: NRA4LIFE on January 03, 2019, 08:04:24 PM
2 Things:

Breakfast:  Bacon, a whole, ripe avocado and 1 egg, delicious and very satisfying.
Treat: Almond flour cookies, my wife's are outstanding.

Many others, too many to type.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 03, 2019, 08:16:42 PM
Almond flour bread 7 eggs 2 cups almond flour baking soda little salt make sure the eggs are room temp or it will taste real eggy.

Parmesan cheese crusted halibut and shrimp with an egg white coating.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 03, 2019, 08:22:40 PM
Stuffed peppers
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Pnwrider on January 03, 2019, 08:41:24 PM
Been on keto since July. Keto is actually pretty easy. Stick to the basics: meat and veggies. We do a lot of taco salads, chicken wings, stroganoff (no noodles), burgers, steak, chicken thighs, pork chops, etc.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: ghosthunter on January 03, 2019, 08:43:34 PM
We do stuffed squash too.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Sliverslinger on January 03, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
I start Monday. Excited but it is a bit daunting to know where to begin. Not looking forward to the Keto flu but hoping to realize some of the results Iíve seen in other folks I know who have done it.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: HarboritE on January 03, 2019, 09:37:24 PM
Ive went hard from july through end of august. Now ive been off and on since then. Planning on hopping back on monday. I like how we all put our new years resolution off for a week or so  :chuckle: I started at 214, got down to 184, now im around 190. I felt the best when i was being real strict. Sustained energy, good sleep, clear skin were the biggest for me. It helped with dandrufI tracked everything for first month until yout figure out what food contains what %. I have the pee strips and could cheat pretty bad for a day and remain in "ketosis " after going Hard for awhile. Bacon, eggs, avocado, cheese, berries, salads. Cook with lotsa good butter/ coconut oil/ avocado oil/ mct oil. A few berries and whipped cream ate a great dessert. Elk or deer with veggies seared hot in cast iron was my go to and family favorite. Buffalo chicken dip was a good treat for me. 10 oz chicken ( canned or rotisserie) shredded, 4 oz softened cream cheese, 1 cup cheese, good dose of franks red hot, with slightly less then a dose of ranch. Mix all together, sprinkle a little more cheese on top. Bake at 350 til bubbling. Then broil until barely charring on top.  I dip celery sticks in it. Also, google fat bombs. Not all are tasty but some are very good and easy. Spinach salad with blue cheese crumbles,  balsamic dressing, cheese,and fresh veggies from the garden and maybe an egg was a game changer that you can add or subract whatever . Sauteed oysters with garlic butter and hot sauce. Crab. Shrimp. Oh.... miller light has like 3 or 4 carbs per can. My drink of choice,  whiskey and diet, has no carbs. We had some "truly" drinks. They are like flavored sparkling water with booze in it, and very few carbs. They are girly but good when you want to take the edge off. I never had keto flu, but people i know did. Make sure to to take some sorta electrolyte supplement especially if you are exercising. Good luck to all ! It works well for me personally but not for everyone.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 03, 2019, 09:47:43 PM
I start Monday. Excited but it is a bit daunting to know where to begin. Not looking forward to the Keto flu but hoping to realize some of the results Iíve seen in other folks I know who have done it.

Never had the KETO flu and to not know anyone that did.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 03, 2019, 09:50:17 PM
A neighbor tried it.  He had what we called the fog.  That lack of bread really slowed him down and became really forgetful.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 03, 2019, 09:52:17 PM
Prime Rib is good for KETO then philly cheese steak leftovers.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: LongBomb on January 03, 2019, 10:04:03 PM
Any of you guys check your vitals after being on KETO like cholesterol etc?  My wife is an RD and does not recommend it for anyone but people who need to control seizures.  I guess if you can stick with it more power to you!

A buddy was on Keto and his cholesterol went thru the roof.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 03, 2019, 10:56:33 PM
Read some recent studies on cholesterol and heart disease.

The same people that donít like keto told us trans fat would save the human race.

The American Heart Association endorses Trix cereal as healthy - for a fee of course.  Lucky Charms and Coco Puffs are also great for you by their metrics.  Just stay away from avocados and coconuts which are lethal.


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 04, 2019, 12:35:29 AM
I want to try these Burger buns, buy the fine Almond flour. I have tried the coarse and it has more texture like a wheat bread.
Full recipe: http://dlsh.it/JUnbweC

Ingredients

2 c. shredded mozzarella
4 oz. cream cheese
3 large eggs
3 c. almond flour
2 tsp. baking powder
1 tsp. kosher salt
4 tbsp. butter, melted
sesame seeds Sesame
dried parsley

Directions

Preheat oven to 400į and line a baking sheet with parchment paper. In a large microwave-safe bowl, melt together mozzarella and cream cheese.
Add eggs and stir to combine then add almond flour, baking powder and salt. Form dough into 6 balls and flatten slightly then place on prepared baking sheet.
Brush with butter and sprinkle with sesame seeds and parsley. Bake until golden, 10-12 minute
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: longashes on January 04, 2019, 07:03:26 AM
Tag ...  :drool:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2019, 11:42:43 AM
I started back again today
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: jstone on January 04, 2019, 12:47:47 PM
Tag for recipes
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2019, 12:50:48 PM
this looks tasty, poached off FB feed

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Post by: jstone on January 04, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
 :yeah: :drool:
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Post by: Timberstalker on January 04, 2019, 02:25:21 PM
Siracha and horseradish.  They are staples.  They jazz up ANYTHING!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 04, 2019, 04:07:01 PM
Tempted try this but I can't give up the basic necessities of life...milk, bananas and peanut butter. :chuckle:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 05, 2019, 05:29:54 PM
I'm eating a handful of blackberries, poured heavy cream over the top, tablespoon of erythol sprinkled over the top.   


Popped in the freezer for an hour,  chunked it up now it's like blackberry ice cream


Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 05, 2019, 06:08:12 PM
Cauliflower nacho's and cheese chips for the game
 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Pnwrider on January 05, 2019, 07:44:32 PM
Just made some wings for the game. My wife tried making some keto tacquitos, they sucked.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: elksnout on January 05, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
What is "Keto flu". 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 05, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/keto-flu-symptoms

I definitely get it and it goes away. Don't push yourself with excersise  when starting backup or you'll probably get the symptoms. Usually dizziness, weakness and sore muscles for me.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kellama2001 on January 06, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
Here's my favorite guac recipe. It's really easy to tweak to however you prefer it. I add extra avocado, lessen the tomato and then blend really smooth, but you could adjust it however you like it. Enjoy!

1-8 oz. Pkg Cream Cheese, softened
2 medium avocados, peeled, mashed
1/4 cup finely chopped onion
1 Tbsp lemon juice
1/2 Tsp salt
1/4 Tsp garlic salt
1/4 Tsp hot pepper sauce
1 cup chopped tomato

Combine softened cream cheese, avocado, onion, lemon juice and seasonings, mixing until well blended. Add tomato; mix lightly. Serve with veggies, cheese crisps or any desired keto friendly snack.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 06, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
massive headache this morning, no idea if it's keto related or related to a bug, I'm a bit stuffed up too. 

sappin my mojo  :(
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: banishd on January 06, 2019, 01:14:03 PM
Heres is a simple onion dip recipe that is way too good.

In a non stick pot, sautee a chopped large onion or 2 medium onions until very soft, add 1 pkg of softened cream cheese, 1/2 cup sour cream, 1/4 cup mayo and mix well over low heat. Add ground pepper and paprika to your taste preferences. Serve warm or cold, its just really good.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 08, 2019, 09:21:15 AM
Day 6 and cruising.  My energy level has returned, felt drained the last couple days but today i woke up and felt great with none of the fog.  I forgot how good this felt, been off of Keto since elk season.

Fat Head Pizza Crust
1 1/2 cups shredded mozzarella.
3/4 cup almond flour.
2 tablespoons of cream cheese, cubed.
1 egg.

Pre heat oven to 425

Heat the mozzarella and cream cheese in the microwave until soft. 1 min then pulse for 30 sec until soft and you can mix it.
Add the flower and egg, mix until consistency is like dough.  I add different herbs so what ever you like at this point.

Use oil and parchment paper to roll out the dough on a baking sheet.

Bake at 425 for approximately 8 min.

Then add desired toppings and cook until it looks like a pizza.

Whole thing is like 20 minutes depending on toppings.

Chicken Carbonara

Ingredients

1.5 lbs boneless, skinless chicken (thighs)
ľ cup butter
Ĺ med onion
2 tsp minced garlic
1 cup heavy cream
Ĺ package cream cheese (cut into cubes)
ĺ cup grated parmesan cheese
1 tsp salt
5 pieces of bacon (pre-cooked)
Instructions

Preheat the oven to 350.
Spray a casserole dish with non-stick spray and place the chicken in the dish.
Place a medium saucepan on medium heat and melt butter in the pan.
Add the onion to the melted butter and carmelize until brown.
Add the garlic and brown it for a minute or two before adding the cream to the pan.
Mix for another minute or two until the cream mixture is hot, then add the cream cheese.
Stir until the cream cheese is melted before adding the parmesan cheese and salt.
Chop the bacon and add it to the mixture.
Spread the sauce evenly over the chicken and cook for 40 minutes or until the chicken is completely cooked.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: ruttnbuck on January 08, 2019, 09:40:13 PM
Been on it about 2 months, but i think im more low carb then actual keto . I've  only lost about 8lbs but inches are dropping so I guess so far its  a win.  One of the things I like so far is I never have crazy cravings like I used too and my mood/ anxiety  has got much better.   Made a killer elk burger meatloaf tonight stuffed with cream cheese, cheddar and jalapenos that'll be dinner for the next few nights. 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 08, 2019, 09:47:14 PM
I made bacon, parmesan, cod fillets. 

cooked the cod almost done, topped with my own bacon (already cooked) and a pile of parm, back in the oven on low broil until parm browned.

It was ok
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 09, 2019, 07:01:16 AM
https://thatlowcarblife.com/lasagna-stuffed-chicken/

We made this lasagna stuffed chicken recently.  It was good.  The chicken needs to be thin, like half the thickness of a regular breast.

I did it in the oven and it turned out good.  I am going to smoke it next time to gain some different flavor.

I think it would be better with thighs and ok with Pork.

Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: C-Money on January 09, 2019, 07:19:44 AM
Keto has been great. Fathers day 2018, wife & I posed for a photo...when we saw it, we did not recognize the people we were looking at. We started Keto soon after. I was 337lbs, now 292. 45lbs! I never thought I would be under 300 lbs again. Wife has done even better, dropping 57lbs. She looks amazing! I am playing hockey again, wearing clothes from 15 years ago, and just feeling great!

Chicken breast with red devil and ranch with a salad
Cheese shell enchiladas
Burger patty with salad
Tri tip & salad
Carls Jr is my choice for fast food, the avacado burger lettuce wrapped is awesome.
So many more ideas, to many to list.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: ribka on January 09, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
Congrats!!


Keto has been great. Fathers day 2018, wife & I posed for a photo...when we saw it, we did not recognize the people we were looking at. We started Keto soon after. I was 337lbs, now 292. 45lbs! I never thought I would be under 300 lbs again. Wife has done even better, dropping 57lbs. She looks amazing! I am playing hockey again, wearing clothes from 15 years ago, and just feeling great!

Chicken breast with red devil and ranch with a salad
Cheese shell enchiladas
Burger patty with salad
Tri tip & salad
Carls Jr is my choice for fast food, the avacado burger lettuce wrapped is awesome.
So many more ideas, to many to list.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kellama2001 on January 09, 2019, 07:49:35 AM
Great ideas, and congrats to you and your wife on your success @C-Money!

Last night I made stuffed green peppers, they were super filling and turned out awesome! I didn't really measure anything, but the approximate recipe is below:

4 large green bell peppers, washed and cored
1 8-oz. cream cheese
1 lb. Venison breakfast sausage (or whatever ground meat you want)
1/2 cup finely shredded cheddar cheese
1/2 cup grated parmesan cheese
Garlic powder to taste
Ses Salt to taste
Freshly ground black pepper to taste

Pre-heat oven to 350. Line the bottom of an 8x8 baking dish with parchment paper. Place the hollowed out peppers upright in the baking dish (I had to shave the bottoms a little to make them stand upright).

Brown and drain the sausage in a skillet, then place in a mixing bowl. Add remaining ingredients and mix well. Spoon mixture evenly into each pepper, and bake until cheese is bubbly and golden brown on the top.

Mine baked for an hour, but I'm using an RV propane oven right now, so yours might be different. Hope you enjoy!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 09, 2019, 11:07:38 AM
Nice pepper recipe.   :tup:
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2019, 11:11:25 AM
I finally getting past the hard part of starting Keto, where you want to shove everything in your face  :chuckle:

Now I can go 12-18 hours plus and not bother (or want) to cook anything.


cup of coffee in the morning with some heavy cream and out the door, be back dinner time!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: C-Money on January 09, 2019, 11:30:48 AM
What a difference a year makes...2017 hunting season & 2018 season, I'm smaller and so are my deer!!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kellama2001 on January 10, 2019, 04:51:08 PM
Nice pepper recipe.   :tup:
Thanks for sharing.

You're welcome  :)

I was wondering what tricks you guys have for eating out, either fast food or normal restaurant? I don't eat out much, but I want to be prepared when I do. Is it safest to just stick to salads?  I did see your suggestion for the Carl's jr. Burger @C-Money, thanks! Anybody else?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 10, 2019, 06:33:18 PM
I don't eat out much, maybe couple times a month at most, so when I do I cheat like a bad dog.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 10, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
Nice pepper recipe.   :tup:
Thanks for sharing.

You're welcome  :)

I was wondering what tricks you guys have for eating out, either fast food or normal restaurant? I don't eat out much, but I want to be prepared when I do. Is it safest to just stick to salads?  I did see your suggestion for the Carl's jr. Burger @C-Money, thanks! Anybody else?

Either a salad, or I stop at a deli and get baked chicken and some broccoli. 
Hard to eat out on keto.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 11, 2019, 01:42:28 AM
Nice pepper recipe.   :tup:
Thanks for sharing.

You're welcome  :)

I was wondering what tricks you guys have for eating out, either fast food or normal restaurant? I don't eat out much, but I want to be prepared when I do. Is it safest to just stick to salads?  I did see your suggestion for the Carl's jr. Burger @C-Money, thanks! Anybody else?

MOD Pizza has a cauliflower crust as an option. Red Robin you can do no bun or a wrap skip the Fry's and have broccoli.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 11, 2019, 05:10:34 AM
That just sounds bad!!!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 12, 2019, 07:53:52 PM
Mozzarella/Almond flour crust(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190113/627784cf931360d0937c4bb5d060e7b4.jpg)

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kellama2001 on January 13, 2019, 01:27:14 PM
Well that looks delicious! Thank you guys for the eating out tips. I'm down 11.6 lbs since starting keto Jan 2!  :IBCOOL: motivation to keep going!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: super186 on January 13, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
Five Guys Burgers Does a Lettuce wrapped option.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 13, 2019, 02:49:56 PM
Hrm(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190113/fe3d90042736f283c41a85b58d4a8166.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190113/afe885145055e2b5dac1eeea4c0da732.jpg)

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: smdave on January 13, 2019, 03:00:08 PM
Mod Pizza has a cauliflower crust option it is very good. If you didnt know what it was you would be hard pressed to know.

This is one meal I have almost every week end, I am down 90lbs since starting June 1st 2018.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: RugerRay on January 13, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
Following along. I just started last Friday.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: jstone on January 13, 2019, 05:29:17 PM
That coliflower pizza is one of my favorite. Itís a must try for all of you.
My favorite is meat lovers
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 13, 2019, 05:39:18 PM
For those that have had issues taking a couple tablespoons of MCT oil to boost fat intake. I figured out 2 TBS and 1/4 cup of cottage cheese is just about perfect.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: bigjohn98591 on January 14, 2019, 02:30:18 PM
My wife n I started a Keto style diet last Monday. So far she's down 8LBS and I'm down 10LBS.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Gringo31 on January 14, 2019, 05:19:46 PM
Tag

I know a guy been Keto for a year.  All his medical numbers which he watches closely are all very improved.  He gets mad when the Dr asks how he's improving and as soon as he says Keto they make a face.  He has asked for reasons to not make it a lifestyle and gets nothing back.

I've done it off and on.....miss my beer when off, really like it when back on :)
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on January 14, 2019, 05:53:23 PM
I started today. You guys are an inspiration. 

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: C-Money on January 15, 2019, 08:00:18 AM
Congrats everyone! I have been snacking to much between meal times. I gotta cut that out!! I really want to get into the 280's with in the next few weeks. Sure is a mind game to stay focused.
We tried the cauliflower pizza crust, and its awesome!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 15, 2019, 11:54:49 AM
How's all your energy levels while on Keto? 

I could use more energy and motivation, not sure if it's the gloomy grey weather or keto. 





Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: ghosthunter on January 15, 2019, 11:57:30 AM
I feel better on it than off.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: gasman on January 15, 2019, 02:07:48 PM
I started Keto/Atkins diet in Jan 2017 at 375 lbs.
Weight in at 298 lbs in Jan 2018, got down to 292 lbs and in April 2018 I I juried my knee  :bash: tore the meniscus and separated it from the bone, had surgery in mid June and with all the pain and lack of activity for the last 6 months, my weight went up. Last week at the Dr i weighted in at 323 lbs, so I decided to get back on the ball.
Knee still ain't right, lots of pain, but gotta do something. The Dr tells me I will have to have a total knee replacement sooner or later, but the weight has to come off before they will do.

But I am happy to say, after getting back on track, I am down 5 lbs in the last week  :tup:

My goal was and remains 250 lbs.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 15, 2019, 02:25:34 PM
How's all your energy levels while on Keto? 

I could use more energy and motivation, not sure if it's the gloomy grey weather or keto.

It takes your body some time to get adjusted to fat burning.  Adaptation involves building more mitochondria and depending on what you read that could take 6-12 months.  After that, I had plenty of energy but never bouncing off the walls followed by crashing like burning sugar.  I had no problem with multi workout days with Crossfit, rucking and whatever else I wanted to do.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 15, 2019, 02:31:07 PM
Curious for you guys and gals that follow the Keto diet, do you track overall calories at all or have any idea how many you eat now versus before Keto?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 15, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Curious for you guys and gals that follow the Keto diet, do you track overall calories at all or have any idea how many you eat now versus before Keto?

I don't track calories or fat, only carbs.  I limit carbs to 35 per day.  I don't go net - only pure carbs.

You don't lose weight if you have excess calories - that is proven, however I do not lose weight on a carb-based diet.

Everyone is different.  I will say, I feel damn good when my body is in ketosis.  The transition stage can suck, but high water intake and sodium help immensely.

It's not feasible for hunting season, for me anyhow.  But that time offers a great break in the fall and pushes cravings back for months.

Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 15, 2019, 02:48:39 PM
And I eat right at 4,000 calories a day.

One cheat day per month - eat all I can, of anything I can on a Saturday, then a minor 12 hour fast on Sunday and back on Keto Sunday night.  It takes me about 36 hours to get back into Ketosis, by proof of piss sticks.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 15, 2019, 02:50:48 PM
Curious for you guys and gals that follow the Keto diet, do you track overall calories at all or have any idea how many you eat now versus before Keto?

I don't track calories or fat, only carbs.  I limit carbs to 35 per day.  I don't go net - only pure carbs.

You don't lose weight if you have excess calories - that is proven, however I do not lose weight on a carb-based diet.

Everyone is different.  I will say, I feel damn good when my body is in ketosis.  The transition stage can suck, but high water intake and sodium help immensely.

It's not feasible for hunting season, for me anyhow.  But that time offers a great break in the fall and pushes cravings back for months.

Interesting. I like carbs way too much for Keto  :chuckle:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: banishd on January 15, 2019, 03:46:19 PM
If you dont keep track you can still get fatter. I used myfitness pal to keep track and basal metabolic rates to get in the right ballpark of how much I should eat. I was lifting weights 5x week also so was trying to balance fat loss and maximize muscle building potential. Gained a few pounds first couple months but was able to get it pretty precise to where I was staying about the same weight but improving body composition. I didnt have a ton to lose either, but eventually you will get to a point where you need to have a good idea on how much to eat calorie wise.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 15, 2019, 04:04:58 PM
I've also read that Turmeric can really help, and a tbsp of ACV in the morning can help.   

The dental people warn to rinse the ACV off your teeth, or brush them right after though.


Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 15, 2019, 05:10:34 PM
Made a Keto cheesecake tonight have 3 hours until I can try it. If it passes taste testing I will add the simple recipe I used
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: igotbigbulls on January 16, 2019, 08:43:14 AM
Just started yesterday. Definitely a change and excited to see how the body reacts.  :tung: A little concerned about high intensity work outs and being able to maintain but did a lot of research on athletes that have been successful on this eating plan.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 16, 2019, 11:13:37 AM
Made a Keto cheesecake tonight have 3 hours until I can try it. If it passes taste testing I will add the simple recipe I used

was it a no go?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 16, 2019, 11:47:00 AM
It turned out awesome, I tweaked the recipe because I sometimes get a alcohol/bitter flavor when using Splenda. So here is the recipe:

note this is an instapot recipe but you can use an oven bake time will be a little longer.

use a 6Ē spring form pan with greased walls and parchment paper on the bottom

Crust-
12 oz raw almonds- use food processor to grind until coarse consistency, think crushed graham crackers.  (Can use other nuts like cashews or hazelnutj
5 TBS melted butter

Mix until all of the almond grind is coated then add to the pan, press it to fill out the bottom of the pan then place in the freezer to set

Filling-
16 ounces of softened cream cheese
1 cup sour cream
2 eggs beaten
1 TBS vanilla
1/2 cup of sweetener ( I used Splenda)
A pinch of salt

Mix until you have a nice smooth batter. Next time I may add some lemon zest also at this point. Other options would be peanut butter powder or soft dark chocolate.

Pull the crust pan out of the freezer and pour in the filling.
Add 1 cup of water to the instapot.
Cook in the instapot for 28 min on high pressure with keep warm button off.
Let it rest for 10 minutes after cooking
Then remove from the instapot and use a paper towel to remove any moisture at the edges.

Basic topping is simple, you can add berries or whipped cream.

1/2 cup of sour cream and 4 Tsp of sweetener.
Mix by hand until smooth and pour over the cheesecake.
Place it in the fridge to set up for at least 4 hours prior to serving.

I am not sure on the oven cook time or temp, I would defer to other cheesecake recipes to get a ballpark number for that.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on January 16, 2019, 01:54:43 PM
I love cheesecake

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 16, 2019, 03:14:48 PM
With the way my progress is going, I may be off sooner than later as my goal is about 6 lbs away. Those folks looking and and thinking about it, it's pretty easy. My fridge is still full of beer and haven't had a desire to drink beer since getting on keto. Same with candy and soda cravings.

15 lbs in the last month. Walk your ass off at a brisk pace, cut out the crap, hit 10k-15k steps per day. When I say walk, be in the zone. I try to break a sweat everywhere I walk.

My personal trainer is working up an intense plan for me to start next week so this year is off to a good start. Elk better watch out in September. :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 16, 2019, 04:37:48 PM
finally getting the boat anchor outta my butt, hoping my energy levels will continue to raise  :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Odell on January 16, 2019, 05:06:01 PM
anyone do keto that is also lactose intolerant? I can't do any dairy
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 16, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
anyone do keto that is also lactose intolerant? I can't do any dairy

Paleo diet?

Whole 30?   
https://www.thekitchn.com/what-you-can-and-cant-eat-on-whole30-239838
Quote
What You Canít Eat on Whole30
This list may feel punitive, but itís not. And itís 30 days! You can do it!

1. Dairy
This means no cheese, cow milk, yogurt, cream, sour cream, kefir, and butter. The only exception to this rule is that you can have ghee.

2. Grains
This means no corn, rice, quinoa, wheat, rye, millet, sorghum, amaranth, buckwheat, bulgur, or sprouted grains.

3. Alcohol
No alcohol for cooking or drinking is to be consumed while doing Whole30. This includes vanilla extract. You can have something like kombucha, however, which does include a very minor amount of alcohol (as long as there isnít added sugar from outside of fruit juice). Read more about Kombucha restrictions here.

4. Legumes
For 30 days you canít eat beans of any kind, soy of any kind (including tofu, soy sauce, miso, edamame), chickpeas, peas, lentils, and peanuts.

5. Added Sugar
Donít consume sugar that is real or artificial during the 30 days. This includes honey, maple syrup, agave, Splenda, xylitol, and Stevia. When it comes to grocery store finds, this one might be the trickiest to avoid. Common household ingredients ó like Sriracha ó include added sugar. You need to check the label on everything.

6. Carrageenan, MSG, and Sulfites
Avoid processed foods while doing Whole30. If you see these three things on any ingredient list, itís out.

7. ďJunkĒ Food
This means that you canít recreate your favorite junk food or baked good recipes even if they use Whole30-compliant ingredients. This is less to do with your physical reactions to food, and more to do with the mental side of things. Donít try to recreate ďpizza crustĒ out of cauliflower, and donít make ďpancakesĒ out of eggs and banana.




Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: jaymark6655 on January 16, 2019, 05:40:37 PM
Dad is on Keto to combat diabetes, I have been more of a Paleo guy. I fell of the wagon because of the lack of dairy, but getting back on. I was doing pretty low carb on Paleo to aid with the weight loss, didn't get a "flu" but I was very aggressive/irritable for about a week. I think I might add some hard cheeses and butter which are really low on lactose, maybe only eating once a week. I have a pretty awesome chili recipe that should work for Keto. Have to track it down and will post later. I track calories and macros. Just eating normal and restricting calories, I was never able to really lose weight.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 16, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
Dad is on Keto to combat diabetes, I have been more of a Paleo guy. I fell of the wagon because of the lack of dairy, but getting back on. I was doing pretty low carb on Paleo to aid with the weight loss, didn't get a "flu" but I was very aggressive/irritable for about a week. I think I might add some hard cheeses and butter which are really low on lactose, maybe only eating once a week. I have a pretty awesome chili recipe that should work for Keto. Have to track it down and will post later. I track calories and macros. Just eating normal and restricting calories, I was never able to really lose weight.

If you were truly eating less than you were burning, you would have lost weight.

Sorry to hijack the thread
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 16, 2019, 06:28:33 PM
For those who are lactose intolerant what about goat cheese?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Odell on January 16, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
For those who are lactose intolerant what about goat cheese?

Never tried it, does that not have the same reaction as dairy?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 16, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
My buddies daughter could eat it and goat milk no problem, but anything from a cow forget about it. Everything I have read is some people are allergic to lactose and some people get the same reaction but are allergic to other components ie proteins in the cow milk. Might be worth a try. It does taste different but I like it. FWIW I am not lactose intolerant.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 16, 2019, 08:14:49 PM
I think it's pasteurized milk what does it, kills off the stuff people need to properly digest it.   


I grew up on raw cows milk drinking it by the gallons, and making ice cream, butter and anything else we could make at home except cheese, never made cheese. To this day I can chug milk or eat 1/2 gallon of ice cream and not even burp.

My youngest siblings who didn't get the raw cows milk (because they were sold off) can't do dairy, it's interesting how us older siblings have no problem while the younger siblings can't do dairy.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Odell on January 16, 2019, 09:20:18 PM
I think it's pasteurized milk what does it, kills off the stuff people need to properly digest it.   


I grew up on raw cows milk drinking it by the gallons, and making ice cream, butter and anything else we could make at home except cheese, never made cheese. To this day I can chug milk or eat 1/2 gallon of ice cream and not even burp.

My youngest siblings who didn't get the raw cows milk (because they were sold off) can't do dairy, it's interesting how us older siblings have no problem while the younger siblings can't do dairy.

Lactose intolerance is something people are born with, it has to do with the small intestines ability to make the enzyme needed to digest milk. Its a sliding scale as to how much an individual can make and so symptoms sometimes don't show up until adulthood. It doesn't have anything to do with pasteurization
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 16, 2019, 09:25:57 PM
I thought raw milk had the enzymes in it, lysosomes.
from google:

Lactase (a member of the beta-galactosidase group of enzymes) splits milk sugar (lactose) into the two simple sugars glucose and galactose. Found exclusively in mammalian milk, lactose is only one sixth as sweet as cane or beet sugar (sucrose).

Many people lose the ability to make lactase as they mature, so must either get it in their food or take supplements to avoid unpleasant side effects (lactose intolerance). Other folks, from regions in Europe, Africa, India and the Middle East, through a helpful genetic mutation, produce the enzyme in their intestinal tracts, even as adults. The lactase in raw milk, present from bacterial synthesis, appears to be inactivated by the pasteurization/homogenization processes.



Seems we're both correct  :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: skeeter 20i on January 17, 2019, 06:33:18 AM
With the way my progress is going, I may be off sooner than later as my goal is about 6 lbs away. Those folks looking and and thinking about it, it's pretty easy. My fridge is still full of beer and haven't had a desire to drink beer since getting on keto. Same with candy and soda cravings.

15 lbs in the last month. Walk your ass off at a brisk pace, cut out the crap, hit 10k-15k steps per day. When I say walk, be in the zone. I try to break a sweat everywhere I walk.

My personal trainer is working up an intense plan for me to start next week so this year is off to a good start. Elk better watch out in September. :tup:

 :tup:  I was told "carbs cause carb cravings" I know it's anecdotal but it seems to be true for me anyway, I just don't crave beer and junk food since I've been on the diet.  Nice going on the progress, I've found as you get closer to leaning out the loss slows down a bit but it is still there.  I was blown away at the miles I covered last year hunting I couldn't have done it when I was almost 50lb heavier.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 17, 2019, 06:53:54 AM
For me, carbs do cause cravings.  Your blood sugar goes up, insulin goes in, blood sugar goes down and that triggers hunger.  I would always wonder why I would sit down for a great meal of salmon and rice, eat a huge portion and then be hungry literally an hour later when my stomach was still full.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 17, 2019, 06:55:51 AM
Anyone ever look at the Plant Paradox. Pretty interesting info. I find I cant stick to one "diet" plan so I kind of take the good parts of a few different concepts.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: chiwawadan on January 17, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Costco Rotisserie Chicken. $4.99 before tax. Zero carbs. Probably 2000 calories.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on January 17, 2019, 02:54:02 PM
Costco Rotisserie Chicken. $4.99 before tax. Zero carbs. Probably 2000 calories.
Had one for dinner last night.

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on January 17, 2019, 02:55:16 PM
Only on day four but surprisingly I am not craving carbs like I thought I would. I feel really good too.

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 17, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
https://www.castironketo.net/blog/keto-enchilada-meatball-skillet

Here is a good one!  I used ground venison instead of ground chicken.  It was pretty good!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: jaymark6655 on January 17, 2019, 05:07:00 PM
Dad is on Keto to combat diabetes, I have been more of a Paleo guy. I fell of the wagon because of the lack of dairy, but getting back on. I was doing pretty low carb on Paleo to aid with the weight loss, didn't get a "flu" but I was very aggressive/irritable for about a week. I think I might add some hard cheeses and butter which are really low on lactose, maybe only eating once a week. I have a pretty awesome chili recipe that should work for Keto. Have to track it down and will post later. I track calories and macros. Just eating normal and restricting calories, I was never able to really lose weight.

If you were truly eating less than you were burning, you would have lost weight.

Sorry to hijack the thread

Seems like it should be that simple, but bread, pasta, or beer and I won't lose weight even if I am under.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 17, 2019, 05:26:02 PM
Dad is on Keto to combat diabetes, I have been more of a Paleo guy. I fell of the wagon because of the lack of dairy, but getting back on. I was doing pretty low carb on Paleo to aid with the weight loss, didn't get a "flu" but I was very aggressive/irritable for about a week. I think I might add some hard cheeses and butter which are really low on lactose, maybe only eating once a week. I have a pretty awesome chili recipe that should work for Keto. Have to track it down and will post later. I track calories and macros. Just eating normal and restricting calories, I was never able to really lose weight.

If you were truly eating less than you were burning, you would have lost weight.

Sorry to hijack the thread

Seems like it should be that simple, but bread, pasta, or beer and I won't lose weight even if I am under.

That is physically impossible and proven by science and biology. Not trying to argue but just stating. Often it turns out to a tracking problem with carbs
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Bango skank on January 17, 2019, 05:30:19 PM
Dad is on Keto to combat diabetes, I have been more of a Paleo guy. I fell of the wagon because of the lack of dairy, but getting back on. I was doing pretty low carb on Paleo to aid with the weight loss, didn't get a "flu" but I was very aggressive/irritable for about a week. I think I might add some hard cheeses and butter which are really low on lactose, maybe only eating once a week. I have a pretty awesome chili recipe that should work for Keto. Have to track it down and will post later. I track calories and macros. Just eating normal and restricting calories, I was never able to really lose weight.

If you were truly eating less than you were burning, you would have lost weight.

Sorry to hijack the thread

Seems like it should be that simple, but bread, pasta, or beer and I won't lose weight even if I am under.

That is physically impossible and proven by science and biology. Not trying to argue but just stating. Often it turns out to a tracking problem with carbs

No, seriously, he is immune to the laws of thermodynamics.  His body literally creates matter out of nothing.  Quick, somebody call nasa.  Get them studying this guy and the worlds energy troubles are solved!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 17, 2019, 05:36:23 PM
I feel like I should say I have nothing against Keto if it works for a person and they feel good following it. I just like to remind people that it isnít a miracle diet that gets a person to magically lose weight. The basics of our bodyís chemistry and how we use the foods we consume still holds true no matter how you structure your eating.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 17, 2019, 05:44:13 PM
This is interesting

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664869/

Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 17, 2019, 05:54:35 PM
This is interesting

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664869/

Interesting, quite a bit of information in there.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 17, 2019, 06:01:33 PM
I was especially interested in the effects it has on the brain when switching from glucose fuel to ketones to fuel it, it seems to have a very positive effect on things like Parkinson's and other central nervous system disorders.  It would be interesting to see if it helps familial tremors.  (old people with shaky hands)
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Pnwrider on January 17, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
anyone do keto that is also lactose intolerant? I can't do any dairy
You would do really well on keto. If you follow any of the doctors that are pro keto (dr Berg, Dom díagostino, etc) they actually warn about too much dairy having negative effects.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: jaymark6655 on January 17, 2019, 07:35:01 PM
Dad is on Keto to combat diabetes, I have been more of a Paleo guy. I fell of the wagon because of the lack of dairy, but getting back on. I was doing pretty low carb on Paleo to aid with the weight loss, didn't get a "flu" but I was very aggressive/irritable for about a week. I think I might add some hard cheeses and butter which are really low on lactose, maybe only eating once a week. I have a pretty awesome chili recipe that should work for Keto. Have to track it down and will post later. I track calories and macros. Just eating normal and restricting calories, I was never able to really lose weight.

If you were truly eating less than you were burning, you would have lost weight.

Sorry to hijack the thread

Seems like it should be that simple, but bread, pasta, or beer and I won't lose weight even if I am under.

That is physically impossible and proven by science and biology. Not trying to argue but just stating. Often it turns out to a tracking problem with carbs

No, seriously, he is immune to the laws of thermodynamics.  His body literally creates matter out of nothing.  Quick, somebody call nasa.  Get them studying this guy and the worlds energy troubles are solved!

Hopefully your a better engineer than a dietitian or doctor. Alcohol can stall your metabolism and if you aren't burning it, you're storing it. As for bread, I was in a program that was ran by doctors and dietitians. Breads were reintroduced in week 6 and if your weight loss stopped you just happened to be one of the unlucky people that should avoid breads and pastas and it was removed from your meal plans. Not trying to argue here, just telling you what I experienced. Usually I won't start losing weight until a week after eating it. I can eat rice though  :dunno:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 18, 2019, 08:09:02 AM
Dad is on Keto to combat diabetes, I have been more of a Paleo guy. I fell of the wagon because of the lack of dairy, but getting back on. I was doing pretty low carb on Paleo to aid with the weight loss, didn't get a "flu" but I was very aggressive/irritable for about a week. I think I might add some hard cheeses and butter which are really low on lactose, maybe only eating once a week. I have a pretty awesome chili recipe that should work for Keto. Have to track it down and will post later. I track calories and macros. Just eating normal and restricting calories, I was never able to really lose weight.

If you were truly eating less than you were burning, you would have lost weight.

Sorry to hijack the thread

Seems like it should be that simple, but bread, pasta, or beer and I won't lose weight even if I am under.

That is physically impossible and proven by science and biology. Not trying to argue but just stating. Often it turns out to a tracking problem with carbs

No, seriously, he is immune to the laws of thermodynamics.  His body literally creates matter out of nothing.  Quick, somebody call nasa.  Get them studying this guy and the worlds energy troubles are solved!

Hopefully your a better engineer than a dietitian or doctor. Alcohol can stall your metabolism and if you aren't burning it, you're storing it. As for bread, I was in a program that was ran by doctors and dietitians. Breads were reintroduced in week 6 and if your weight loss stopped you just happened to be one of the unlucky people that should avoid breads and pastas and it was removed from your meal plans. Not trying to argue here, just telling you what I experienced. Usually I won't start losing weight until a week after eating it. I can eat rice though  :dunno:

That stinks. You are an outlier versus the normal. I wonder what causes your body to treat them differently? Be interested to know
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 18, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
This is interesting information.  I can say with certainty (even though Vande may disagree  :chuckle:) that my body doesn't respond well to a diet containing carbs.  It is possible for me to lose weight with carb intake, however when I go low carb it responds way quicker!

The biggest thing I notice is water retainment while on carbs.  When I am in Ketosis I cannot quench my thirst!  A gallon of water a day doesn't touch it!

Great thread with solid information.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 18, 2019, 08:26:18 AM
This is interesting information.  I can say with certainty (even though Vande may disagree  :chuckle:) that my body doesn't respond well to a diet containing carbs.  It is possible for me to lose weight with carb intake, however when I go low carb it responds way quicker!

The biggest thing I notice is water retainment while on carbs.  When I am in Ketosis I cannot quench my thirst!  A gallon of water a day doesn't touch it!

Great thread with solid information.

 :chuckle: My guess, and its just a guess, is that going low carb alows you to more easily be in a caloric deficit. Very similar to how people think intermittent fasting is anything more than just a schedule of eating. Studies have shown that it really just ends up being that majority of people are just better able to eat less calories each day when on a schedule. 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 18, 2019, 09:39:29 AM
This is interesting information.  I can say with certainty (even though Vande may disagree  :chuckle:) that my body doesn't respond well to a diet containing carbs.  It is possible for me to lose weight with carb intake, however when I go low carb it responds way quicker!

The biggest thing I notice is water retainment while on carbs.  When I am in Ketosis I cannot quench my thirst!  A gallon of water a day doesn't touch it!

Great thread with solid information.

 :chuckle: My guess, and its just a guess, is that going low carb alows you to more easily be in a caloric deficit. Very similar to how people think intermittent fasting is anything more than just a schedule of eating. Studies have shown that it really just ends up being that majority of people are just better able to eat less calories each day when on a schedule.

Or maybe it's because Busch Lite and Cheetos HAVE CARBS IN THEM!!!
NO WAY TO LOSE WEIGHT ON CARBS!!!

 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on January 18, 2019, 10:28:42 AM
I would guess for some people that eating grains causes water retention and/or bloating. Which would have a negative effect on weight loss. I know I get really bloated.

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 18, 2019, 10:41:53 AM
I would guess for some people that eating grains causes water retention and/or bloating. Which would have a negative effect on weight loss. I know I get really bloated.

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to start yes but water retention wouldn't hinder long term weight loss
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 18, 2019, 10:52:06 AM
Carbs turn to glucose which requires water to attach before it can be stored.


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 18, 2019, 10:54:50 AM
Carbs turn to glucose which requires water to attach before it can be stored.


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All I was saying is a body isn't going to continue to retain more and more water.  :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Buckmark on January 18, 2019, 11:01:04 AM
Carbs turn to glucose which requires water to attach before it can be stored.


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All I was saying is a body isn't going to continue to retain more and more water.  :tup:
Depending on how many cinder blocks you attach to it, oh wait, never mind......
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 18, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
For those looking for recipes, here is a good thread on the bodybuilding.com nutrition forum.

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=143
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 18, 2019, 12:34:52 PM
Where the water weight loss occurs with Keto is the fact that every glycogen molecule will pick up to 4 water molecules for storage.  So when you burn out the glycogen in your system you are releasing water at a 4 to 1 ratio.  If you minimize glycogen, you reduce the bodies water retention.  Thats why if you eat a bunch of carbs you will see a proportional weight gain.  Most glycogen is stored in your liver as well as muscle tissue. The liver takes longer to burn out.  As a side that is why more water is required during KD and salt is important for another means to retain water in the body.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 20, 2019, 12:28:06 PM
MOD pizza in N. Spokane does not have Cauliflower pizza crust.   I asked for it specifically, they only have the gluten free pizza crust which has a ton of carbs.

Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on January 21, 2019, 05:47:03 PM
Made country fried moose cubed steaks for dinner tonight. Used pulverized pork rinds for the breading. It was pretty good.

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: MtnMuley on January 21, 2019, 05:49:30 PM
Nice. Using pork rinds right on on some sockeye. :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
made some crackers

3/4c mozz cheese melted in a bowl
blend in:
2 tbsp sour cream
2 tbsp chives
1 egg
1/4c almond flour
1/4c coconut flour
1/2 tsp salt

mix it good together put in ziplock and pop in the fridge 20 mins, I smash it flat so it cools quicker. 


about 1 tbsp per cracker, smash it flat to about 1/8 inch or less.  I use a tortilla press but not the handle it smashes it too much, just smack the top of the tortilla press.  Sandwich the cracker between two pieces of release foil or parchment paper. 

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arrange on a cookie sheet, brush the top with melted butter and sprinkle a bit of salt on top. 
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bake 400 until turning brown on the edges, let cool they'll stiffen up more. 

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dip away!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 21, 2019, 06:01:34 PM
Looks awesome
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
It made two full trays
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on January 21, 2019, 08:29:01 PM
Yum. I really miss crackers...

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kball4 on January 22, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
Started 3 weeks at 300lbs on the dotdown 15lbs if I get down to 250 I'm buying myself a new bow.  I give myself 1 cheat day a week, not like fast food cheat but sushi or pizza maybe a beer or 2.  Also do some light cardio 5 times a week for 20-40 minutes.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 22, 2019, 02:54:14 PM
Started 3 weeks at 300lbs on the dotdown 15lbs if I get down to 250 I'm buying myself a new bow.  I give myself 1 cheat day a week, not like fast food cheat but sushi or pizza maybe a beer or 2.  Also do some light cardio 5 times a week for 20-40 minutes.

nice work on the progress and it sounds like you are taking in fewer calories with keto but not reaching and sustaining ketosis based on your "cheat" days.  :twocents:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 22, 2019, 09:43:04 PM
Anybody have any creative scrambled egg routines? I've been chopping up some ham and peppers along with cheese and it is tasty but looking for some additional ideas. 3 eggs in the morning get me through till about 1st dinner usually.

Hopped of ketosis for a short bit as my cousin sent me a box full of carbs ( :chuckle: :bash:) this weekend so should be back on it here in a few days. She's a damn good Baker so I felt obligated to devour them :chuckle:.

Down 15 lbs this month with 5-10 to go but should come off easy when I start my 12 weeks of hell tomorrow.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 22, 2019, 10:12:53 PM
I like eggs,bacon, avocado and feta myself with a little hot sauce
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 23, 2019, 04:31:51 AM
4 eggs, 1/2 cup ricotta cheese, salt and pepper.
Add any meat and vegetables you want.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: HarboritE on January 23, 2019, 01:18:53 PM
After i was in " ketosis" for awhile, i could have a pretty heavy cheat meal and remain in ketosis. We have the pee strips. Eating a carb heavy meal after in ketosis made me feel like crap so it was easy to hop right back in.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: frazierw on January 23, 2019, 01:51:37 PM
While this diet is good for weight loss, there are scientific studies showing that it isnt great for your cardiovascular health.  Is that a worry for anyone? 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 23, 2019, 02:04:05 PM
While this diet is good for weight loss, there are scientific studies showing that it isnt great for your cardiovascular health.  Is that a worry for anyone?

Are there legitimate long term studies that show this, or just the assumption that if you eat meat and fat you will fall over?

There is so much bad information out there it is hard to sort through.  The medical study world is almost criminal in the way it works and most of them you can't even read without paying insane prices.

From what I have read, in general, Americans have followed the health advice to eat less fat and more carbs (grain).  Disease went from bad to bad squared.  Most doctors have maybe one light course in nutrition that contains the advice that has proven to not work.  Very slowly, the medical community is reluctantly admitting that fat isn't evil and you can't predict heart disease through a ridiculously simplified cholesterol number.

I don't think keto is the perfect diet, I don't think such a thing exists.  I think there are several diets that work very well (excluding the food pyramid diet aka SAD) and some might work better for certain people than others.

Improving insulin sensitivity and loosing weight are huge for all cause mortality reduction and keto has been proven to do that very effectively.

I keep reading and trying new things.  I went to practically zero carb and it sucked for me.  I tried some other things and they didn't work either, its been a process of educated trial and error.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: h20hunter on January 23, 2019, 02:13:11 PM
Diet, exercise, treats in moderation,  limit the booze, add in some extra T....bingo.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: frazierw on January 23, 2019, 02:18:31 PM
While this diet is good for weight loss, there are scientific studies showing that it isnt great for your cardiovascular health.  Is that a worry for anyone?

Are there legitimate long term studies that show this, or just the assumption that if you eat meat and fat you will fall over?

There is so much bad information out there it is hard to sort through.  The medical study world is almost criminal in the way it works and most of them you can't even read without paying insane prices.

From what I have read, in general, Americans have followed the health advice to eat less fat and more carbs (grain).  Disease went from bad to bad squared.  Most doctors have maybe one light course in nutrition that contains the advice that has proven to not work.  Very slowly, the medical community is reluctantly admitting that fat isn't evil and you can't predict heart disease through a ridiculously simplified cholesterol number.

I don't think keto is the perfect diet, I don't think such a thing exists.  I think there are several diets that work very well (excluding the food pyramid diet aka SAD) and some might work better for certain people than others.

Improving insulin sensitivity and loosing weight are huge for all cause mortality reduction and keto has been proven to do that very effectively.

I keep reading and trying new things.  I went to practically zero carb and it sucked for me.  I tried some other things and they didn't work either, its been a process of educated trial and error.

Here is what i found, and it isnt necessarily the Keto diet, but all low carb diets:

During a median follow-up of 25 years there were 6283 deaths in the ARIC cohort, and there were 40 181 deaths across all cohort studies. In the ARIC cohort, after multivariable adjustment, there was a U-shaped association between the percentage of energy consumed from carbohydrate (mean 48∑9%, SD 9∑4) and mortality: a percentage of 50Ė55% energy from carbohydrate was associated with the lowest risk of mortality. In the meta-analysis of all cohorts (432 179 participants), both low carbohydrate consumption (<40%) and high carbohydrate consumption (>70%) conferred greater mortality risk than did moderate intake, which was consistent with a U-shaped association (pooled hazard ratio 1∑20, 95% CI 1∑09Ė1∑32 for low carbohydrate consumption; 1∑23, 1∑11Ė1∑36 for high carbohydrate consumption). However, results varied by the source of macronutrients: mortality increased when carbohydrates were exchanged for animal-derived fat or protein (1∑18, 1∑08Ė1∑29) and mortality decreased when the substitutions were plant-based (0∑82, 0∑78Ė0∑87).

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 23, 2019, 02:32:16 PM
The problem with those studies is the quality of the data.  They handed out questionnaires to people who had to remember what kind of food and what amounts and how frequently they ate for the previous couple of years.  This is known to be highly inaccurate as one can imagine.  From there, they had to try to adjust out all of the other factors that could cause a guy to die like smoking, drinking, getting hit by a bus, diabetes, sex, level of education, income and a ton of other variables.  Again, relying on people to honestly and accurately report that stuff.  Once that was done and all the adjustments were made, I'm not sure you have anything resembling reality left.

Once you get the data, you can make all kinds of analysis and graphs, but if the data isn't accurate, the results have no meaning.

Another problem is that the study doesn't differentiate the sources of the macro nutrients.  Sugar and broccoli are both plant based carbs.  CAFO beef and salmon are both fatty meats.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on January 23, 2019, 02:40:56 PM
Here is a quote from the journal that published:

Quote
The dominant diets of the past 50 years are a major contributor to climate change and are no longer nutritionally optimal.

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The report suggests policies to eliminate and restrict food choice, including new taxes and charges, as well as withdrawing products from sale and in some cases rationing.

They are calling for a "sustainable" diet in order to combat climate change.  The co-leader of the commission is a guy from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany.

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"Our definition of sustainable food production requires that we use no additional land, safeguard existing biodiversity, reduce consumptive water use and manage water responsibly, substantially reduce nitrogen and phosphorus pollution, produce zero carbon dioxide emissions, and cause no further increase in methane and nitrous oxide emissions."

Again, looking past the fancy graphs reveals a bunch of information and things aren't always like they seem.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 23, 2019, 02:46:33 PM
Cows are Bad!

Keto = Cows!


Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on January 23, 2019, 03:18:26 PM
Watch out when you cross a busy street!!

Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: J.Brower on January 31, 2019, 06:04:21 PM
Started Keto in the late summer of last year, dropped 65# in 2.5 months. Fell off the wagon a little harder than I thought and am now back up 20#. Easing my way back into it this week with plans to hit the 200# mark and stick with a cleaner eating lifestyle. My wife loves pasta and enjoys hamburger helper so itís a little tough to keep her happy while keeping my body happy. I felt phenomenal while I was in Ketosis, and have felt like crap the last couple of months eating like I used to. Looking forward to feeling better everyday again for sure!
One of my favorite quick meals last time was venison taco meat with a pile of cheese, sour cream, salsa, all on a bit of spinach. Was the only way I could still eat ďtacosĒ while on Keto and I loved it!


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2019, 06:21:08 PM
I was going to try that cracker recipe to make taco shells, minus the chives.  Then fry it.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: MtnMuley on February 04, 2019, 10:15:35 PM
I was going to try that cracker recipe to make taco shells, minus the chives.  Then fry it.

Try those cheese shells you have to cook from Costco. They're fantastic and strong.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kramman on February 04, 2019, 11:14:58 PM
Inspired by everyone, so the wife and I started today. Ate all the foods we love watching that boring Superbowl. Hopefully we have the same results as alot of you.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: gasman on February 05, 2019, 07:24:08 AM
Made a "Bacon Cheeseburger Casserole" over the weekend  :tup:

https://lowcarbyum.com/bacon-cheeseburger-casserole/
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: J.Brower on February 06, 2019, 07:12:27 PM
Been on it for about a week, havenít dropped much for weight yet. Started the ďketo fluĒ today, so they should be dropping soon. I feel a lot better a have more energy these last couple days. Hereís a couple things weíve made the last couple nights;

Keto Lasagna-
1 package venison burger
1 package classic sausage links
1 brick cream cheese(couldnít find ricotta in the store)
1/2 cup shredded Parmesan
Shredded mozzarella 
1 egg
2 heads broccoli
Low carb pasta sauce.
Cook burger and sausage, slice sausage into chunks. Add sauce and simmer. Mix Cream cheese(ricotta), Parmesan, and egg in a bowl until smooth. Thin layer of sauce/meat mixture in the bottom of a pan, broccoli florets then cream cheese(ricotta) mixture, cover with more meat sauce and then top with cheese and bake until broccoli is tender and cheese is melted/bubbly.

Bacon crust pizza
1 package bacon
Sliced salami
Pizza sauce
Cheese
Veggies of choice
Bacon bits (not necessary, but more bacon!!!)

Weave bacon on baking sheet and bake at 400 with a cookie rack on top to keep it flat for 25 minutes or until crispy. Layer of salami, sauce to add moisture, veggies(we did mushrooms, onions, green peppers) lots of cheese and we added bacon bits. Bake again until cheese is brown/bubbly. Added a dollop of ranch as Iím an addict of that stuff.


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 06, 2019, 07:18:35 PM
Been on it for about a week, havenít dropped much for weight yet. Started the ďketo fluĒ today, so they should be dropping soon. I feel a lot better a have more energy these last couple days. Hereís a couple things weíve made the last couple nights;

Keto Lasagna-
1 package venison burger
1 package classic sausage links
1 brick cream cheese(couldnít find ricotta in the store)
1/2 cup shredded Parmesan
Shredded mozzarella 
1 egg
2 heads broccoli
Low carb pasta sauce.
Cook burger and sausage, slice sausage into chunks. Add sauce and simmer. Mix Cream cheese(ricotta), Parmesan, and egg in a bowl until smooth. Thin layer of sauce/meat mixture in the bottom of a pan, broccoli florets then cream cheese(ricotta) mixture, cover with more meat sauce and then top with cheese and bake until broccoli is tender and cheese is melted/bubbly.

Bacon crust pizza
1 package bacon
Sliced salami
Pizza sauce
Cheese
Veggies of choice
Bacon bits (not necessary, but more bacon!!!)

Weave bacon on baking sheet and bake at 400 with a cookie rack on top to keep it flat for 25 minutes or until crispy. Layer of salami, sauce to add moisture, veggies(we did mushrooms, onions, green peppers) lots of cheese and we added bacon bits. Bake again until cheese is brown/bubbly. Added a dollop of ranch as Iím an addict of that stuff.


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Whatever you call it It sounds good! ( and full of calories ! )
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: J.Brower on February 06, 2019, 08:22:55 PM
Been on it for about a week, havenít dropped much for weight yet. Started the ďketo fluĒ today, so they should be dropping soon. I feel a lot better a have more energy these last couple days. Hereís a couple things weíve made the last couple nights;

Keto Lasagna-
1 package venison burger
1 package classic sausage links
1 brick cream cheese(couldnít find ricotta in the store)
1/2 cup shredded Parmesan
Shredded mozzarella 
1 egg
2 heads broccoli
Low carb pasta sauce.
Cook burger and sausage, slice sausage into chunks. Add sauce and simmer. Mix Cream cheese(ricotta), Parmesan, and egg in a bowl until smooth. Thin layer of sauce/meat mixture in the bottom of a pan, broccoli florets then cream cheese(ricotta) mixture, cover with more meat sauce and then top with cheese and bake until broccoli is tender and cheese is melted/bubbly.

Bacon crust pizza
1 package bacon
Sliced salami
Pizza sauce
Cheese
Veggies of choice
Bacon bits (not necessary, but more bacon!!!)

Weave bacon on baking sheet and bake at 400 with a cookie rack on top to keep it flat for 25 minutes or until crispy. Layer of salami, sauce to add moisture, veggies(we did mushrooms, onions, green peppers) lots of cheese and we added bacon bits. Bake again until cheese is brown/bubbly. Added a dollop of ranch as Iím an addict of that stuff.


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Whatever you call it It sounds good! ( and full of calories ! )


It was delicious, and made killer leftovers for lunch! And yes, Iím sure a few too many calories!


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 07, 2019, 08:24:41 PM
Hereís a Keto recipe I found yesterday, made it tonight for dinner, wife loved it.

And I did put it over rice, recipe calls for 1/4 sour cream, with the rice next time Iíll use a 1/2 cup sour cream for a saucier effect.👍

https://www.afamilyfeast.com/chicken-tender-saute/
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: J.Brower on February 07, 2019, 09:04:27 PM
Hereís a Keto recipe I found yesterday, made it tonight for dinner, wife loved it.

And I did put it over rice, recipe calls for 1/4 sour cream, with the rice next time Iíll use a 1/2 cup sour cream for a saucier effect.👍

https://www.afamilyfeast.com/chicken-tender-saute/

Looks good! Might have to try it but minus the rice to keep it keto (and the wife isnít a rice fan)


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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 10, 2019, 08:39:35 AM
Signing off of the keto trend after a trip to the doctors and talking with my specialist. Easy to get sucked into the trend, but I will say the weight loss I saw was not worth it.

Paying for it pretty good now, but glad I caught the issue now this early in the stage compared to 7 years ago.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on February 10, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Signing off of the keto trend after a trip to the doctors and talking with my specialist. Easy to get sucked into the trend, but I will say the weight loss I saw was not worth it.

Paying for it pretty good now, but glad I caught the issue now this early in the stage compared to 7 years ago.
Care to expound on that? Pretty vague?

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: MAGhunter on February 10, 2019, 09:42:01 AM
Well I have been on Keto since the beginning of January and have dropped 15 lbs.  All and all the experience is going great.  I've learned a lot on what I can and cant eat.  But I did experience something I wasn't expecting and it may or may not have been because of Keto.  I went into Afib earlier this week and had to get my heart shocked twice to get it back to normal rhythm.  I'm 40, 230 lbs, and have never once had a heart issue of any sort.  So I told the Doc about my Keto diet and they told me that its possible that its from the diet but really would never know.  But who knows...I'll still keep rockin the diet.  Gotta get my beach bod ready for Hawaii. LOL
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on February 10, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
Well I have been on Keto since the beginning of January and have dropped 15 lbs.  All and all the experience is going great.  I've learned a lot on what I can and cant eat.  But I did experience something I wasn't expecting and it may or may not have been because of Keto.  I went into Afib earlier this week and had to get my heart shocked twice to get it back to normal rhythm.  I'm 40, 230 lbs, and have never once had a heart issue of any sort.  So I told the Doc about my Keto diet and they told me that its possible that its from the diet but really would never know.  But who knows...I'll still keep rockin the diet.  Gotta get my beach bod ready for Hawaii. LOL


Do you have sleep apnea?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: MAGhunter on February 10, 2019, 11:17:54 AM
Well I have been on Keto since the beginning of January and have dropped 15 lbs.  All and all the experience is going great.  I've learned a lot on what I can and cant eat.  But I did experience something I wasn't expecting and it may or may not have been because of Keto.  I went into Afib earlier this week and had to get my heart shocked twice to get it back to normal rhythm.  I'm 40, 230 lbs, and have never once had a heart issue of any sort.  So I told the Doc about my Keto diet and they told me that its possible that its from the diet but really would never know.  But who knows...I'll still keep rockin the diet.  Gotta get my beach bod ready for Hawaii. LOL


Do you have sleep apnea?

Nope
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 10, 2019, 03:06:04 PM
Signing off of the keto trend after a trip to the doctors and talking with my specialist. Easy to get sucked into the trend, but I will say the weight loss I saw was not worth it.

Paying for it pretty good now, but glad I caught the issue now this early in the stage compared to 7 years ago.
Care to expound on that? Pretty vague?

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Intestinal Health problem. They immediately pointed towards my last months diet and said that's one of the issues.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on February 14, 2019, 06:05:20 PM
Exactly 1 month in and I'm down 20 pounds! I only occasionally have severe regrets about giving up delicious carbs :chuckle:

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on February 14, 2019, 06:37:09 PM
Exactly 1 month in and I'm down 20 pounds! I only occasionally have severe regrets about giving up delicious carbs :chuckle:

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Awesome!  Iím a year into Keto. I donít call it a diet anymore. Once you transition to Fat as an energy source itís easy.

I donít keto while hunting for obvious reasons, but it has worked well for me.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Mudman on March 01, 2019, 06:35:34 PM
Well the wife and I started the food change!  Day 18 and I have lost 11 lbs.  She hasn't weighed yet but has lost as well.  I dont eat much vegis so its tricky for me.  The meat n eggs and such is cool.  Fat bombs peanut butter butter cocnut oil are great.  Watch out erythitol sweetners.  Gave me exlax symptoms after 4 sweetened cups coffee!  I am fixing to stop soon as I don't need to lose anymore weight but the education and forced food/diet changes will continue to be included.  Just not as drastic of course.  A beer sounds good as well!!  Of note I do feel good and healthier as well.  Energy levels are more balanced most times except when I would fast dinner to dinner on occasion.  I can tell there is health benefits to this for some at least.  Helped me.  Thanks for inspiration and ideas from all in this thread.  :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on March 01, 2019, 07:31:52 PM
Awesome!  Great update.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: outdooraddict on March 13, 2019, 09:13:12 AM
i started keto about the begining of feb, down 21lbs this morning, i feel great and am wearing shirts in public that I wouldnt wear before due to feeling a little to tight in them.  If anyone is into the keto thing or especially if you are on the fence, I would highly reccomend the netflix show "the magic pill"  huge eye opener
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on March 13, 2019, 08:09:36 PM
I dropped 20+ and been off Keto really since Christmas pretty much.  Holidays ruined it  :chuckle:

I never did feel energized on Keto, if you were out of shape before Keto, then Keto will not get you in shape. 

 


So I need a gym more than a diet.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: runamuk on March 13, 2019, 08:33:36 PM
Removing most carbs has solved my stomach issues. Haven't lost any weight but fewer headaches and not having daily gut pain is worth the massive restrictions. After almost 2 months its pretty easy to follow. Meat, green stuff, some berries nuts and seeds not much else. I dont eat eggs. I can tolerate limited cheese and yogurt which made me sick as hell before. So some sort of bad food interaction has been removed.


Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Mudman on March 13, 2019, 10:50:20 PM
I hit my goal weight and a few extra.  Stopped Keto and gained 4 lbs in 2 days.  It wasn't from too much food.  The sugar/carb/glucose depletion is the reason.  Body needs to store water to bind with glucose to metabolize, I think I understand that lol, so as soon as you start carbs again the body ramps up storing energy and a small weight gain is to be expected from my experience.  Im at 190lb and plan to eat healthier with less carbs and more greens to maintain 190 or less.  Summer will help.  I will say the keto fat bomb wife and I make is delicious.  2tsp cocoa, half cup PB, 1/4 cup cocnut oil, half stick butter, tsp vanilla, sprinkle cinnamon.  No sweeteners.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 14, 2019, 05:05:59 AM
That much Coconut oil boy that not a good thing
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Mudman on March 14, 2019, 08:01:56 AM
Estimate on measurements as I don't actually measure!  I not fan of coc oil so its rather weak.  Quite good.  Lot of fat in coc oil. 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on March 21, 2019, 08:18:04 PM
Keto brick. Ordered a week pack of the cookies and cream. Tastes really good. They are shelf stable so Iím going to run them for spring bear and turkey season. I would like to try some other flavors but it is small batch stuff.

https://www.ketobrick.com/
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: kellama2001 on March 22, 2019, 10:16:39 AM
Keto brick. Ordered a week pack of the cookies and cream. Tastes really good. They are shelf stable so Iím going to run them for spring bear and turkey season. I would like to try some other flavors but it is small batch stuff.

https://www.ketobrick.com/

Those must be good, they all say sold out on the website!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on March 22, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
You can make similar stuff at home, check out the label on your favorite thing and start experimenting.  Cacao butter stays solid to a fairly high temp, so it makes a good base.  Melt it, add protein powder if you want, any sweeteners you want, cocoa powder, coffee, whatever floats your boat.  There are a bunch of YouTubes on it.

I tend to use them for meal replacements, add a bag of jerky or a can of fish to one of those along with a handful of nuts and you have a fairly decent meal on the road or trail.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on March 22, 2019, 03:02:56 PM
Yeah they went fast. I got a week supply of cookies and cream a couple weeks ago and I was able to get an order in for a weeks worth of the mocha.  So dense I can only really do 1/2 a bar and I get super full.  I am going to try some of the make at home versions but I like having something to base it off of prior to burning through supplies.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on March 22, 2019, 03:05:36 PM
I make two sizes:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K03FH54/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That one is about half of the Keto Brick, or about 500 calories if you fill it up.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073WTLQWW/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

These make snack sized ones, I use the smaller or middle size.

You can make small batches and perfect your recipe, it's basically just melting the cocoa butter, adding your dry ingredients, stirring and then putting it into the mold and let it harden either at room temp or in the refrigerator.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: KFhunter on March 22, 2019, 03:58:06 PM
I'm back  :hello:

gained a few lbs back, ended up naturally staying half keto anyways.  Even with a month + off I still didn't gravitate to carbs although I did like sugar stuff.


back on KETO as of today, hopefully 20 more lbs to drop I'll be doing good.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: CLARKTAR on March 22, 2019, 05:31:46 PM
I make two sizes:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K03FH54/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That one is about half of the Keto Brick, or about 500 calories if you fill it up.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073WTLQWW/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

These make snack sized ones, I use the smaller or middle size.

You can make small batches and perfect your recipe, it's basically just melting the cocoa butter, adding your dry ingredients, stirring and then putting it into the mold and let it harden either at room temp or in the refrigerator.
Can you post up a few of the recipes you like or have tried? If you know the macros for the. I would be interested in that also!

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 23, 2019, 08:02:22 AM
Just started keto last Sunday, so far super easy.  Never really had a sweet tooth.  Quit chewing a little over a year ago and put on 15-20 lbs.  Looking to go from 205 down to 185. 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on March 23, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
The brick thing is pretty personal, my favorites are inedible by my wife.  You can make them salty, pretty plain, super sweet, flavored or whatever.  In general, they take a bunch of flavor from the protein powder and other things you add.  The cacao butter is very plain by itself.  I tend to make them salty and very little sweetness so I am not tempted to crush 10,000 calories while watching tv.

To start, try a roughly 5:1 cacao to protein powder ratio (in servings).  This would be 1 scoop of protein powder to 2.5 oz of cacao butter.

To that, you can add any or all of the following:

Flax seed (grind super fine in a coffee grinder) - 2 tbsp
Cocoa nibs (ground super fine) - 1 tbsp
Salt to taste
Coffee to taste, start with 1.5 tsp and go up from there, ground super fine
Favorite sweetener (erythritol, stevia, monk fruit, etc) to taste - I don't like sweet so I can't offer much guidance here
Other flavorings, supplements, whatever you want to throw in there.  My next batch might have chopped nuts, low carb choc. chips or something like that.

A couple things I learned:

1.  Grind stuff super fine or it will settle during the cooling process and leave layers.  It looks cool, but a layer of unsweetened stuff isn't very tasty.  It is also pretty gritty and hard to chew.
2.  Mix all the dry ingredients very well before adding to the liquid cocoa butter, a clump of salt in the middle sucks.  Mix between every couple pours on a big batch just to make sure.
3.  Chop the cocoa butter as fine as you can or it will take forever to melt.  Microwave in a pyrex measuring bowl with pour spout for a minute at a time and then stir about 20x longer than you think is necessary between microwave minutes.  It melts super slow and you won't need as much microwave time as you think you do.  Then, mix in dry ingredients super well and pour into mold.
4.  The ingredient ratios don't matter too much, you can have these be virtually all fat, or a bunch of protein and fat or in the middle.  The cocoa butter holds it all together very well.
5.  They hold together well and are pretty hard but do melt if left in the sun or a hot car.  I had some melt in the recent good weather during a basketball game.  You can wrap them in foil which helps.  They are hard at room temp, much harder than a regular bar and more crumbly to eat, not chewy.
6.  If you have your mold on a baking sheet before you pour you will be able to easily move it into the frige or cooling space.  If you don't life will suck if you try to move it.
7.  As I mentioned, most of the taste comes from the protein powder, you can use chocolate, cookies and cream or whatever.  You can also add extra cocoa powder or more flavoring if you like them that way.  Again, mine are more savory than desert like but you can have them super sweet and chocolaty, coconut, or whatever floats your boat.

Macros for the above ratios in the brick shaped silicone mold I posted earlier is roughly 500 calories, 8 carbs (6 fiber), 47 fat, 5 protein plus however much protein powder you add (protein and calories not included in these macros).
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: grundy53 on March 23, 2019, 11:41:52 AM
The brick thing is pretty personal, my favorites are inedible by my wife.  You can make them salty, pretty plain, super sweet, flavored or whatever.  In general, they take a bunch of flavor from the protein powder and other things you add.  The cacao butter is very plain by itself.  I tend to make them salty and very little sweetness so I am not tempted to crush 10,000 calories while watching tv.

To start, try a roughly 5:1 cacao to protein powder ratio (in servings).  This would be 1 scoop of protein powder to 2.5 oz of cacao butter.

To that, you can add any or all of the following:

Flax seed (grind super fine in a coffee grinder) - 2 tbsp
Cocoa nibs (ground super fine) - 1 tbsp
Salt to taste
Coffee to taste, start with 1.5 tsp and go up from there, ground super fine
Favorite sweetener (erythritol, stevia, monk fruit, etc) to taste - I don't like sweet so I can't offer much guidance here
Other flavorings, supplements, whatever you want to throw in there.  My next batch might have chopped nuts, low carb choc. chips or something like that.

A couple things I learned:

1.  Grind stuff super fine or it will settle during the cooling process and leave layers.  It looks cool, but a layer of unsweetened stuff isn't very tasty.  It is also pretty gritty and hard to chew.
2.  Mix all the dry ingredients very well before adding to the liquid cocoa butter, a clump of salt in the middle sucks.  Mix between every couple pours on a big batch just to make sure.
3.  Chop the cocoa butter as fine as you can or it will take forever to melt.  Microwave in a pyrex measuring bowl with pour spout for a minute at a time and then stir about 20x longer than you think is necessary between microwave minutes.  It melts super slow and you won't need as much microwave time as you think you do.  Then, mix in dry ingredients super well and pour into mold.
4.  The ingredient ratios don't matter too much, you can have these be virtually all fat, or a bunch of protein and fat or in the middle.  The cocoa butter holds it all together very well.
5.  They hold together well and are pretty hard but do melt if left in the sun or a hot car.  I had some melt in the recent good weather during a basketball game.  You can wrap them in foil which helps.  They are hard at room temp, much harder than a regular bar and more crumbly to eat, not chewy.
6.  If you have your mold on a baking sheet before you pour you will be able to easily move it into the frige or cooling space.  If you don't life will suck if you try to move it.
7.  As I mentioned, most of the taste comes from the protein powder, you can use chocolate, cookies and cream or whatever.  You can also add extra cocoa powder or more flavoring if you like them that way.  Again, mine are more savory than desert like but you can have them super sweet and chocolaty, coconut, or whatever floats your boat.

Macros for the above ratios in the brick shaped silicone mold I posted earlier is roughly 500 calories, 8 carbs (6 fiber), 47 fat, 5 protein plus however much protein powder you add (protein and calories not included in these macros).
I had my wife make these for me. I really like them.

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Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: northwesthunter84 on March 23, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
Awesome thank you for the info.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: cem3434 on March 23, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
That recipe looks good
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Brad Harshman on March 27, 2019, 05:51:56 PM
Alright - been strictly keto for a month now.  I love it.  Went shed hunting Sunday, hiked ten miles, never have I had such steady/even energy. But I'm reading this thread and some of you state you'll stop keto once hunting season starts.  Why?  What am I missing?
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on March 27, 2019, 06:17:56 PM
Keto is great for us growing older lower testosterone guys lol. I do it 5 out of 7 days per week. Then it's game on Friday thru sunday :chuckle:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on March 27, 2019, 06:54:40 PM
Alright - been strictly keto for a month now.  I love it.  Went shed hunting Sunday, hiked ten miles, never have I had such steady/even energy. But I'm reading this thread and some of you state you'll stop keto once hunting season starts.  Why?  What am I missing?

Pretty hard to follow Keto while backcountry and no refigeration. At least in my experience.

Iím sure there are options I havenít thought of.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on March 27, 2019, 07:45:13 PM
You can do keto in the backcountry, but you have to think out of the box as there are not many, if any, commercial solutions.  Fat and protein are dense and compact which is awesome as far as bulk and weight.

I can eat just about anything and don't need variety, so it's fairly easy.  When I'm hunting I naturally drift to way under eating and have to force myself to eat.  Other guys have no problems pounding a bunch of food and are always hungry.

The one thing about keto or even lower carb is that you don't get the blood sugar swings which is awesome.  I couldn't believe how much I could do on such little food once I got fat adapted.  A couple years ago I was doing a ton of training and events and did several Gorucks on little to no food.  Guys around me were crashing but I was nice and level with energy.  I didn't have the sugar highs, but I would gladly trade those for never ending energy with no walls.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: runamuk on March 27, 2019, 08:14:39 PM
Here is the thing I removed sugar. So none of the in store jerky, sausages, hot dogs etc can be eaten all that stuff and many bacons have sugar or corn syrup. So pretty much its really high end stuff or make my own. Heck I struggled to find smoked salmon that didnt contain sugar.

Its a lifestyle for me, it is all about not feeling sick. Still havent lost weight according to the scales but my pants will not stay up. Guess I gotta buy new pants.

Its easy to follow when the alternative is horrific stomach pains.

No beer but wine and some whiskey and gin is totally acceptable.
I am so happy to finally not feel like garbage every time I eat.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Timberstalker on March 27, 2019, 08:59:55 PM
Pretty awesome, Run!
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on March 28, 2019, 08:08:25 AM
Keto is great for us growing older lower testosterone guys lol. I do it 5 out of 7 days per week. Then it's game on Friday thru sunday :chuckle:

Interesting. So you never are in ketosis since you come off it two days. Basically you are just eating less calories overall...  :tup:
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: outdooraddict on March 28, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
i finally hit the 26 lb mark, got stuck at 22-24 lbs for a little over a week.  the difficulty in hunting season, is the campfire, tent, buddies, and beer lol
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: noffles on March 28, 2019, 10:58:15 AM
Keto is great for us growing older lower testosterone guys lol. I do it 5 out of 7 days per week. Then it's game on Friday thru sunday :chuckle:

Interesting. So you never are in ketosis since you come off it two days. Basically you are just eating less calories overall...  :tup:

What do you mean? I didn't make that post but I can get back into ketosis no problem in under 24 hours as long as I don't go crazy on off days.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on March 28, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
Keto is great for us growing older lower testosterone guys lol. I do it 5 out of 7 days per week. Then it's game on Friday thru sunday :chuckle:

Interesting. So you never are in ketosis since you come off it two days. Basically you are just eating less calories overall...  :tup:

What do you mean? I didn't make that post but I can get back into ketosis no problem in under 24 hours as long as I don't go crazy on off days.

This is key. If you are barely over on carbs or something but the post I was replying to said game on Friday through Sunday which doesn't sound like just having a few extra carbs.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Stein on March 28, 2019, 12:15:22 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on March 28, 2019, 01:01:50 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit. 
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: bowhunterforever on November 04, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Bump! im about to start this
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Bigshooter on January 20, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: mcrawfordaf on January 20, 2020, 02:15:32 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

I've done keto on and off for about 3 years now and I can assure you it's not just something that makes you eat less to lose weight. When I'm doing strict high fat no/low carb - I typically go well over 2000 calories a day and lose weight consistently and quickly. Where as if I'm OMADing or intermittent fasting I usually hardly break 1200-1500, but still lose weight - definitely not as fast or as easy though. I'm 6', 175-185 lbs.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2020, 01:43:18 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: 2MANY on January 21, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
I did Keto for 1 day.

Zero results.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Bigshooter on January 21, 2020, 01:49:26 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O

I don't read anything from msn.  But I never said keto was healthy.  I was just pointing out not all calories are the same.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O

I don't read anything from msn.  But I never said keto was healthy.  I was just pointing out not all calories are the same.

Its actually from USA today but I just copied some of it.

The diet has been associated with effective weight loss, but it doesn't necessarily get the approval from doctors.

"I wouldn't recommend the keto diet to anybody," Jeffrey Mechanick, medical director at Mount Sinai Heart's Marie-Josťe and Henry R. Kravis Center for Clinical Cardiovascular Health, told USA TODAY.

When it comes to dissecting popular diets such as keto, doctors stress the importance of knowing the difference between weight loss and genuine overall health.

Reducing your intake of carbs, as the keto diet does, goes hand-in-hand with reducing intake of whole grains, fruits and some vegetables, which raises red flags for health professionals.

"That's where I get a little concerned about the keto diet," Vasanti Malik, adjunct assistant professor of Nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told USA TODAY.

"You want to be mindful, because these foods Ė whole grains, fruits and vegetables Ė carry a number of beneficial nutrients Ė vitamins, polyphenols, fiber Ė that have been shown time and time again to be beneficial for cardiometabolic health."

As the keto diet essentially nixes the body's intake of carbs, the body searches for an alternative source of fuel. Before long, the body breaks down fat, muscle and tissues to sustain itself, Mechanick said.

"In theory, the keto diet basically mimics starvation," Mechanick said. "If you don't eat carbohydrates but you eat an excessive amount of fat and protein, you're still going to waste tissue. Tissue is still going to burn off."

Yes, you might experience weight loss on the keto diet, but that might not actually be good for you, considering what you give up.

"I don't feel particularly comfortable telling people to reduce intake of things that we know offer benefits for health," Malik said.
Title: Re: The KETO thread
Post by: Bigshooter on January 21, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O

I don't read anything from msn.  But I never said keto was healthy.  I was just pointing out not all calories are the same.

Its actually from USA today but I just copied some of it.

The diet has been associated with effective weight loss, but it doesn't necessarily get the approval from doctors.

"I wouldn't recommend the keto diet to anybody," Jeffrey Mechanick, medical director at Mount Sinai Heart's Marie-Josťe and Henry R. Kravis Center for Clinical Cardiovascular Health, told USA TODAY.

When it comes to dissecting popular diets such as keto, doctors stress the importance of knowing the difference between weight loss and genuine overall health.

Reducing your intake of carbs, as the keto diet does, goes hand-in-hand with reducing intake of whole grains, fruits and some vegetables, which raises red flags for health professionals.

"That's where I get a little concerned about the keto diet," Vasanti Malik, adjunct assistant professor of Nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told USA TODAY.

"You want to be mindful, because these foods – whole grains, fruits and vegetables – carry a number of beneficial nutrients – vitamins, polyphenols, fiber – that have been shown time and time again to be beneficial for cardiometabolic health."

As the keto diet essentially nixes the body's intake of carbs, the body searches for an alternative source of fuel. Before long, the body breaks down fat, muscle and tissues to sustain itself, Mechanick said.

"In theory, the keto diet basically mimics starvation," Mechanick said. "If you don't eat carbohydrates but you eat an excessive amount of fat and protein, you're still going to waste tissue. Tissue is still going to burn off."

Yes, you might experience weight loss on the keto diet, but that might not actually be good for you, considering what you give up.

"I don't feel particularly comfortable telling people to reduce intake of things that we know offer benefits for health," Malik said.

What we all seem to forget is people are not replacing a healthy diet with keto.  They are replacing an unhealthy diet for perhaps another unhealthy diet that they lose weight on instead of gain weight. 

Not all calories are the same is all I wanted to say and you dragged me into this.