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Title: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: MerriamMagician on August 08, 2019, 08:54:30 AM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/commission/agenda_item_3_gold_sheet._nonresident_fee_schedule.pdf

Seen this thread over on Monster Muleys forum. Looks like Idaho is once again considering a draw system for tags. But the biggest takeaway I see from this is some steep non-resident license and tag fee increases. I've hunted Idaho for 4 consecutive years and am going again this year, but if these increases get pushed through it is going to really make hunting there a lot more expensive.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 08, 2019, 09:16:09 AM
Lots of crazy increases in that proposal along with a couple reasonable increases. I also notice the preference/bonus point fee.   :bash:

Is there a place we can comment? Or is it all up to their legislature?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: TriggerMike on August 08, 2019, 09:29:07 AM
Wow, that's a huge increase for elk tags. Even the required archery permit would go from $18.25 to $80.00.  :yike:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 08, 2019, 09:37:24 AM
I think there was a bill passed years ago that gave the Commission authority to implement a bonus point system - but because of public outrage and many of IDFG's senior officials unequivocally denouncing point systems as Ponzi schemes it was never implemented.  I think this is much ado about nothing on points...just an artifact of old legislation...not a hint at something to come. 

As for the fee increases...I believe those are intended to offset proposed new caps on NR tags.  Since many fewer elk tags will be available - need to up the price.  Of course, nothing is more popular in any state than raising NR prices...so you can probably take those proposed fee increases as a done deal. 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: mburrows on August 08, 2019, 09:40:35 AM
The price increases were inevitable. They will still sell all their available tags at those prices.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: huntnnw on August 08, 2019, 09:45:22 AM
$900 to hunt elk in the panhandle. No thanks . Be our last year as we are headed into lolo. I will not pay $900 to hunt mediocre to bad elk areas. Me and others wonít pay that type of money . Iíll gladly pay that in NM, AZ,NV and UT
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 08, 2019, 09:50:17 AM
Reasonable price increases are pretty standard but some of these are complete BS! $80 extra dollars to archery or muzzleloade hunt!?!?! The worst I see is the youth and disabled veterans. Pricing out youth only eliminates future customers. My kids won't be hunting Idaho after this year. We supply 90%ish of IDFG money so slapping down NR with unreasonable increases isn't the smartest idea. Economy is booming and tags are easy to sell.....for now. But that wont always be the case :twocents:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: go4steelhd on August 08, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
I expected these increases to come soon. Especially since they have sold out the last few years. I thought that the increase would be a lot more. Maybe they learned that a large increase will stop people. Like it did 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: huntnnw on August 08, 2019, 10:27:40 AM
It was just 4 years ago IDFG was sending out letters to buy tags , reducing 2nd tags , advertisements in WA on radio to sell tags they couldnít sell. That will happen again in ID.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: go4steelhd on August 08, 2019, 10:38:58 AM
I agree that less elk tags will sell. This will be a 56.6% increase on them. But the deer tags, I don't see to many people not going over for $50 on the tag and $30 on the license.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: coop2424 on August 08, 2019, 10:58:11 AM
Most of this is just stupid and I am a resident.  Especially the youth and veterans increase.  I donít understand why it says $180 something for wolf and increasing it to $200.  They are $31 now not $180. We should give those tags away for free and reimburse license fee if you shoot one. 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: MerriamMagician on August 08, 2019, 11:18:36 AM
Most of this is just stupid and I am a resident.  Especially the youth and veterans increase.  I donít understand why it says $180 something for wolf and increasing it to $200.  They are $31 now not $180. We should give those tags away for free and reimburse license fee if you shoot one.

Agree, that must have been a error. But if it is increased to $200 thats a bit ridiculous. Lots of non-resident hunters will pick up a wolf tag every year just in case for only $31 and help contribute to the wolf problem, myself included. Doubt that will happen if wolf tags skyrocket to 200 bucks.  :bdid:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: MerriamMagician on August 08, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
I agree that less elk tags will sell. This will be a 56.6% increase on them. But the deer tags, I don't see to many people not going over for $50 on the tag and $30 on the license.

Yeah the deer tags are not quite a big as a hit, but the elk tag increases definitely price me out of hunting elk in Idaho.  :bash:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 08, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
The prices are still pretty comparable to most western states and cheaper than some. Theyíll still sell out at these prices until the economy crashes again.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 08, 2019, 11:58:49 AM
The prices are still pretty comparable to most western states and cheaper than some. Theyíll still sell out at these prices until the economy crashes again.

Or will they? A lot of non res deer tags get sold as second deer tags to residents who have filled their first tag. (right now there are still about 6,000 non res deer tags available and they are being made available as second tags)  Make the prices too high and you not only price out the non res hunters, but the resident hunters too, who help sell out the non res tags.  Elk sell out sooner because of their more limited availability but if people feel they are being taken advantage of, sales will drop. And if that happens the difference will be made up by raises in the price of resident tags.

Also, high priced tags discourage youngsters from getting into hunting.  The overall high price of hunting has already started us down that road. One day it will lead to hunting being an activity for only the wealthy.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 08, 2019, 12:13:55 PM
The prices are still pretty comparable to most western states and cheaper than some. Theyíll still sell out at these prices until the economy crashes again.

Or will they? A lot of non res deer tags get sold as second deer tags to residents who have filled their first tag. (right now there are still about 6,000 non res deer tags available and they are being made available as second tags)  Make the prices too high and you not only price out the non res hunters, but the resident hunters too, who help sell out the non res tags.  Elk sell out sooner because of their more limited availability but if people feel they are being taken advantage of, sales will drop. And if that happens the difference will be made up by raises in the price of resident tags.

Also, high priced tags discourage youngsters from getting into hunting.  The overall high price of hunting has already started us down that road. One day it will lead to hunting being an activity for only the wealthy.

Most youngsters arenít hunting out of state, I understand that itís a big jump but if you want to take your kids on a cheap out of state deer hunt Nebraska still has $8 youth tags


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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Threethirtyeight on August 08, 2019, 12:24:40 PM
The prices are still pretty comparable to most western states and cheaper than some. Theyíll still sell out at these prices until the economy crashes again.

Or will they? A lot of non res deer tags get sold as second deer tags to residents who have filled their first tag. (right now there are still about 6,000 non res deer tags available and they are being made available as second tags)  Make the prices too high and you not only price out the non res hunters, but the resident hunters too, who help sell out the non res tags.  Elk sell out sooner because of their more limited availability but if people feel they are being taken advantage of, sales will drop. And if that happens the difference will be made up by raises in the price of resident tags.

Also, high priced tags discourage youngsters from getting into hunting.  The overall high price of hunting has already started us down that road. One day it will lead to hunting being an activity for only the wealthy.

Most youngsters arenít hunting out of state, I understand that itís a big jump but if you want to take your kids on a cheap out of state deer hunt Nebraska still has $8 youth tags


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Alot of youngsters hunt kid friendly states My kids hunt idaho every year we have been done with Washington for years.

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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 08, 2019, 01:36:34 PM
The prices are still pretty comparable to most western states and cheaper than some. Theyíll still sell out at these prices until the economy crashes again.

Or will they? A lot of non res deer tags get sold as second deer tags to residents who have filled their first tag. (right now there are still about 6,000 non res deer tags available and they are being made available as second tags)  Make the prices too high and you not only price out the non res hunters, but the resident hunters too, who help sell out the non res tags.  Elk sell out sooner because of their more limited availability but if people feel they are being taken advantage of, sales will drop. And if that happens the difference will be made up by raises in the price of resident tags.

Also, high priced tags discourage youngsters from getting into hunting.  The overall high price of hunting has already started us down that road. One day it will lead to hunting being an activity for only the wealthy.

Most youngsters arenít hunting out of state, I understand that itís a big jump but if you want to take your kids on a cheap out of state deer hunt Nebraska still has $8 youth tags


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Alot of youngsters hunt kid friendly states My kids hunt idaho every year we have been done with Washington for years.

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  :yeah: almost the same amount of money for a kid to shoot a deer in Idaho as WA. Those youngsters they are pricing out are future full price customers. I dont even necessarily disagree with an increase but to go from $52 to $265 for a license and a deer tag is a bit ridiculous.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2019, 01:48:55 PM
The prices are still pretty comparable to most western states and cheaper than some. Theyíll still sell out at these prices until the economy crashes again.
Elk sell out sooner because of their more limited availability but if people feel they are being taken advantage of, sales will drop. And if that happens the difference will be made up by raises in the price of resident tags.

I'm not so sure that is correct.  When they jacked them up to a ridiculous amount several years ago, they did take a hit for a few years, but that was also tied into the wolf numbers hammering the herds at the same time.  But eventually they began to sell out again.  I suspect the same thing will happen again.  NR numbers will drop for a bit, but will rebound down the road.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: KFhunter on August 08, 2019, 01:57:22 PM
$900 to hunt elk in the panhandle. No thanks . Be our last year as we are headed into lolo. I will not pay $900 to hunt mediocre to bad elk areas. Me and others wonít pay that type of money . Iíll gladly pay that in NM, AZ,NV and UT

exact conclusion I came too
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 08, 2019, 02:02:02 PM
The prices are still pretty comparable to most western states and cheaper than some. Theyíll still sell out at these prices until the economy crashes again.
Elk sell out sooner because of their more limited availability but if people feel they are being taken advantage of, sales will drop. And if that happens the difference will be made up by raises in the price of resident tags.

I'm not so sure that is correct.  When they jacked them up to a ridiculous amount several years ago, they did take a hit for a few years, but that was also tied into the wolf numbers hammering the herds at the same time.  But eventually they began to sell out again.  I suspect the same thing will happen again.  NR numbers will drop for a bit, but will rebound down the road.
A massive recession at the time of the last NR price increases played a major role in reduced tag sales.  I agree though...tag sales will drop a bit...then pick right back up.  I'm not aware of a single sustained drop in demand as a result of NR tag price increases in any western state. 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: ballpark on August 08, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
Well, if this gets approved it's our last year.  No advantage for Non-resident Disabled Vet and all the price increases for deer and elk will have the affect they want - less out of state hunters. :bdid:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: bearpaw on August 08, 2019, 02:27:59 PM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 08, 2019, 03:43:32 PM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 08, 2019, 04:43:03 PM
I think this will help those of you who normally hunt general elk tags every year and apply for controlled hunts, I think NR draw odds are going to improve due to that license increase. Not many are gonna wanna pay out nearly $200 non refundable to apply unless they are good with hunting OTC units as backup


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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 08, 2019, 06:00:18 PM
Most of this is just stupid and I am a resident.  Especially the youth and veterans increase.  I donít understand why it says $180 something for wolf and increasing it to $200.  They are $31 now not $180. We should give those tags away for free and reimburse license fee if you shoot one.

 :yeah: agreed on the wolf tags 100% other increases I am good with
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: BUTTER on August 08, 2019, 06:55:51 PM
Im sorry but anyone that thinks its okay for them to jack the prices up to 1k dollars to elk hunt you are the problem. All tbis does is take opportunity away which is already currently happening in our own state this is sad. They are taking advantage of out doorsmen
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: KFhunter on August 08, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
And gonna put a big pinch here as WA hunters come back home to hunt, as crappy as its getting worse.

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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 08, 2019, 07:40:29 PM

Most youngsters arenít hunting out of state, I understand that itís a big jump but if you want to take your kids on a cheap out of state deer hunt Nebraska still has $8 youth tags

I'm not necessarily talking youth tags. I'm talking about young adults who maybe didn't grow up in hunting families.  and maybe they are interested hunting, but just can't afford big bucks.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Stein on August 08, 2019, 07:48:44 PM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:

 :yeah:

Looking forward, we need to have kids out there doing quality hunts or we will look back from our wheelchairs and wonder why hunting is a thing of the past.  I know we all walked 20 miles through thigh deep snow uphill both ways to hunt when we were kids, but there is serious competition today from all different things.  I took a kid fishing today with a free license and he hooked 8-10 fish and had a blast.  That experience benefits all of us more than whatever the state could have charged him.  If the fee is high and the regulations are complex, bye bye, we are the last generation of sportsmen.

As far as vets, shoot, that's the least we can do - if I was king anyone who served in a war would have lifetime hunting and fishing for free at a minimum.

If they really need money, hit up the general fund or bill me, but don't turn the kids away.  There are enough barriers in place already.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 08, 2019, 08:53:21 PM
When I was a WA Resident and before they changed it and allowed Disabled Vets to hunt at resident prices I spent $1100 a year to hunt Idaho.  I'm not a rich man, but in the grand scheme of things its really a small part of the overall Hunting budget..not saying I enjoyed paying it, but it was still worth and this was several years ago.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on August 08, 2019, 09:46:21 PM
This will be our 13th year I believe hunting Idaho back country  DIy with our kids since birth. Luckily for me I'm a highly experienced and needed trades person anywhere in the world.  So I guess if prices are so high to hunt there as a NR then we will move there and take advantage of the lifetime license as a resident. Due to the pure fact of demographics Idaho is a great place to be for along time.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Mr Mykiss on August 08, 2019, 09:46:51 PM
Yeah Fred if youíre pot committed to da ho then itís not a big deal...or at least not the end of the world. But ifín youíre KB and itís just another pile of money going to Idaho and you still have 68 other states to apply in then it becomes a major pain!!
As mentioned Iím not sure why the numbers are wrong...a wolf tag is now $31, not $184.25, and elk is $416.75 not $415. I donít get it.
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Lord Grizzly, thoughts on all this?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Hot Lunch on August 09, 2019, 10:00:56 AM
Hunters are a wealthy bunch. $60,000 trucks, expensive quads, toy haulers, sitka. The tag increase isnt slowing anyone down from playing.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 09, 2019, 10:18:21 AM
Hunters are a wealthy bunch. $60,000 trucks, expensive quads, toy haulers, sitka. The tag increase isnt slowing anyone down from playing.
I have none of the above :tup:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 09, 2019, 11:21:41 AM
I kind of wish theyíd have increased deer tags higher than that proposal. I liked the days when they never sold out so you could hunt and if you filled a tag and had enough time left to hunt you had the option of going to the store and picking up another tag.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 09, 2019, 11:31:56 AM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:


In Montana a Youth combo is $533. IF they are hunting with a non resident relative who bought a deer/elk combo for 1065 can purchase for 533. How is Idaho out of line compared to that?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 09, 2019, 11:35:50 AM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:


In Montana a Youth combo is $533. IF they are hunting with a non resident relative who bought a deer/elk combo for 1065 can purchase for 533. How is Idaho out of line compared to that?
I didnt say it was. I just pointed out that MT did in fact offer a discounted youth option.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 09, 2019, 11:37:10 AM
I get a kick out of all the Idaho residents who only show up to talk down WA and WA residents ON A WASHINGTON HUNTING FORUM  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 09, 2019, 11:50:09 AM
I don't know if that's directed at me but I wasn't trying to talk down WA hunters. I just don't see how Idaho is out of line with their price increase when compared to any other state. This is the only hunting forum I have been on and I have never big game hunted Washington personally.I checked it out when my kid was hunting there as a non-res youth and got hooked :chuckle: Most of the good topics are all about hunting Idaho or Montan anyways!  I have read more about hunting Idaho and Montana than any thing else and that's the 2 state I hunt every year. I do get sucked into the occasional wolf thread though  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bigshooter on August 09, 2019, 12:22:29 PM
I remember when out of state tag price increases use to get me worked up.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bob33 on August 09, 2019, 12:26:14 PM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:
Washington treats all youth hunters (resident and non-resident) the same.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bigshooter on August 09, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
 Nursing Home Fishing Permit 33.00 N/A ???????????????????  :chuckle: :dunno:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: buglebrush on August 09, 2019, 03:34:05 PM
Hunters are a wealthy bunch. $60,000 trucks, expensive quads, toy haulers, sitka. The tag increase isnt slowing anyone down from playing.

This one isn't, and doesn't own any of that stuff.  It's becoming a game for only the wealthy, and that truly is sad.  I've been taking all my kids hunting in Idaho, because the seasons are so incredibly short in WA it's hard to put any amount of time in.  The youth tag increase is really really disappointing!
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 09, 2019, 04:08:07 PM
Hunters are a wealthy bunch. $60,000 trucks, expensive quads, toy haulers, sitka. The tag increase isnt slowing anyone down from playing.

Until it does.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 09, 2019, 04:24:59 PM
At those prices elk tags will probably slow down a bit but it looks like theyíre trying to reduce nonresident tag numbers to 5 year historical averages of resident numbers so they may still sell out. Deer tags I guarantee will still sell out at those prices.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: bearpaw on August 09, 2019, 11:16:59 PM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:

Yeah agreed, there are some states with discounts, Idaho would still have a discount for non-res youth but pricing will be closer to Montana. I'm sorry if it actually prevents anyone from hunting.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 10, 2019, 07:54:03 AM
It still isnít really that much for youth. If you canít afford the extra couple hundred bucks make the kid have some skin in the game and go out and earn some of it on their own. Any kid thatís old enough to carry a gun out hunting is old enough to mow some neighbors lawns or rake some leafs for some extra money.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 10, 2019, 08:39:37 AM
I generally dislike anything that escalates hunting further towards a rich mans sport...but its a tough case to make when we are talking NR price increases.  I sure don't like the big price jump for elk tags, but it won't have any influence on my hunting.  My philosophy aligns with the quote that is something like "Hunt while you can, you'll run outta health before you run out of money". 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bigshooter on August 10, 2019, 08:44:25 AM
I generally dislike anything that escalates hunting further towards a rich mans sport...but its a tough case to make when we are talking NR price increases.  I sure don't like the big price jump for elk tags, but it won't have any influence on my hunting.  My philosophy aligns with the quote that is something like "Hunt while you can, you'll run outta health before you run out of money".

That's what I use to tell a buddy that never had any money.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: MerriamMagician on August 12, 2019, 08:17:52 AM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:


In Montana a Youth combo is $533. IF they are hunting with a non resident relative who bought a deer/elk combo for 1065 can purchase for 533. How is Idaho out of line compared to that?

I've never been a fan of how high Montanas non-resident prices have been. Its the only reason I have not yet hunted big game there and chose other states instead. If Idaho goes through with these price changes, it puts them in a similar range to Montana. I'd probably still pony up the little extra money to hunt deer, but not elk.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2019, 12:17:53 PM
The last time Idaho increased fees they only increased resident fees, non-residents did not get an increase. Most states do not have any discount for non-resident youth, even if Idaho raises the nonresident youth fees that is still a deal as compared to most western states where all nonresidents pay full NR fees. OIL species will get the biggest increase, but there are so many non-residents applying that the 10% quota for non-residents will likely be easily met. The only two unreasonable increases in my opinion are the bow/muzzy permits, and the elk tags. I would think doubling the permits is plenty and increasing elk by $100 should be adequate. Even still they are not really out of line on that pricing.
not entirely true dale. CO, MT, Kansas, and WY just to name a few all offer youth discounts to NR. Many more have steeply discounted license fees but full price tag fees but that can still add up to a good bit of coin.

Like I said before, as a guy who applies for EVERY western state these price increases get frustrating as I'm doing it all on an extremely limited budget but I get that Bill's need to be paid. Leave the kids and vets alone though. That's just pure greed plain and simple :twocents:


In Montana a Youth combo is $533. IF they are hunting with a non resident relative who bought a deer/elk combo for 1065 can purchase for 533. How is Idaho out of line compared to that?

I've never been a fan of how high Montanas non-resident prices have been. Its the only reason I have not yet hunted big game there and chose other states instead. If Idaho goes through with these price changes, it puts them in a similar range to Montana. I'd probably still pony up the little extra money to hunt deer, but not elk.

In Montana there is a legislative mandate that non-resident pricing shall go up or down based on how the licenses sell. This year demand has been higher for non-res licenses than in a long time, I expect another price increase in Montana in the next year or two, you might want to hunt MT before the price increases again.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 13, 2019, 12:57:08 PM
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this. 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: ballpark on August 14, 2019, 08:40:05 AM
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this.
Who thinks an increase from $93 to $553 for Non-resident Junior/DAV deer and elk tag/license is a good idea :bash:  Yes it was a great deal while it lasted.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 14, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this.
Who thinks an increase from $93 to $553 for Non-resident Junior/DAV deer and elk tag/license is a good idea :bash:  Yes it was a great deal while it lasted.
I think you answered your own question...it was so far below market price that it would be almost negligent for them not to raise prices. 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 14, 2019, 09:09:02 AM
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this.
Who thinks an increase from $93 to $553 for Non-resident Junior/DAV deer and elk tag/license is a good idea :bash:  Yes it was a great deal while it lasted.
I think you answered your own question...it was so far below market price that it would be almost negligent for them not to raise prices.
if profiting off of children is the goal then yes you are correct. But once again I'll argue that in the long run you alienate future customers and further hurt the heritage of hunting. Our numbers are dwindling at an alarming rate but our fish and game agencies just keep doubling down. But hey screw those NR hunters who fund 90% of our game agencies that allow us residents low tag costs, and those NR that dump MILLIONS into our local economies  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: MerriamMagician on August 14, 2019, 10:28:17 AM
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this.
Who thinks an increase from $93 to $553 for Non-resident Junior/DAV deer and elk tag/license is a good idea :bash:  Yes it was a great deal while it lasted.
I think you answered your own question...it was so far below market price that it would be almost negligent for them not to raise prices.
if profiting off of children is the goal then yes you are correct. But once again I'll argue that in the long run you alienate future customers and further hurt the heritage of hunting. Our numbers are dwindling at an alarming rate but our fish and game agencies just keep doubling down. But hey screw those NR hunters who fund 90% of our game agencies that allow us residents low tag costs, and those NR that dump MILLIONS into our local economies  :rolleyes:

Well said. Tons on resident hunters over there and most other states complain prolifically about non-resident hunters, while not realizing those same non-rez keep resident tag and license fees lower while providing huge economic boosts to the state. If you live in another state and complain about non-residents, you need to look at the broader picture and understand that non-residents should be one of your biggest allies. Our traditions and way of living are being jeopardized in so many ways as of late.  Also, many game departments have acknowledged the decreasing hunter numbers in recent years, but fail to create good solutions and simply worsen the problem with the ever increasing fees. Keep at it long enough and hunting will fail to exist.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Stein on August 14, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
Idaho isn't any different than the other western states that offer good non-resident hunting that is in high demand.  The main problem they are facing is the respective state legislatures are cutting funding and the only real option they have is to get more from the users (hunters & fishermen).  If they slam the residents with an increase, pitchforks come out, so they hit the non-residents who don't vote or call their representatives.

Each state typically reviews the fees of other states when deciding on what to charge and justify that.  Thus, Idaho would say "hey, we are the lowest, look what other states are charging" and raise theirs.  This ends up being an upward ratchet effect as increases in one state are used to justify increases in another state.

Every time there is a big jump, people think it will result in fewer licenses sold and less money overall, but that hasn't been the case.  MT and WY have put forth big jumps in the last several years and they still sell the same number of licenses.  MT saw a very temporary drop, but they are back to being overbought and having to ration deer and elk.

So, morale of the story is that prices will continue to go up and we will continue to pay them for the most part.  I personally don't think that is the right solution, but my opinion doesn't matter.

Given the situation and solution, they could choose to take it easy on the kids as was mentioned and hopefully they consider the future when looking at prices.  Personally, I would rather pay a bit more to have more kids out there with tags.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 14, 2019, 12:01:52 PM
I've said it like 2 or 3 times in this thread, I understand and accept NR tag increases. I understand more than most the ins and outs of these states systems. It's part of the game. We get to pick and choose where our money goes. Hitting the kid tags is just bad practice in any state. We need to be fueling their fire to hunt not dumping water on it. My kids are still gonna go out of state with me for a hunt a year, it just won't be in Idaho. I can buy a deer and an elk tag in CO for them for less money than a deer tag and license will cost in Idaho starting next year.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 14, 2019, 12:04:18 PM
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this.
Who thinks an increase from $93 to $553 for Non-resident Junior/DAV deer and elk tag/license is a good idea :bash:  Yes it was a great deal while it lasted.
I think you answered your own question...it was so far below market price that it would be almost negligent for them not to raise prices.
if profiting off of children is the goal then yes you are correct. But once again I'll argue that in the long run you alienate future customers and further hurt the heritage of hunting. Our numbers are dwindling at an alarming rate but our fish and game agencies just keep doubling down. But hey screw those NR hunters who fund 90% of our game agencies that allow us residents low tag costs, and those NR that dump MILLIONS into our local economies  :rolleyes:
I appreciate the emotional argument of "lets protect the kids" - but the reality is if a kid hunting out of state is that important then mom or dad can still make it happen as even with these price increases this is still a better deal than nearly every similar state.  If its a family priority - it will still happen.  I don't think its fair to put this under the "screw those NR hunters" category.       

Its a real privilege for a youth to be able to hunt out of state.  To cry foul because the NR youth now will have to pay more (but still about 1/2 of full price) just isn't going to resonate and is not at the top of any concerns when it comes to hunter recruitment and retention. If this legislation was focused on raising youth resident tags (in any state) - then I think your points would be fair regarding pricing kids out of hunting.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Stein on August 14, 2019, 12:20:46 PM
Every state sticks it to the NR hunters and fishermen, it's hard to argue against that.  They pay a big multiple of residents across the board for virtually everything.

If we are only talking about youth hunter recruitment, then doubling the prices will hurt that.  It certainly isn't going to draw more people.  Some will still go and some won't, nobody knows until it's in the rearview mirror.  I think the point is that hunter recruitment doesn't seem to come up much when prices are set and the trend lately seems to be in closing the gap between youth and adult prices and reducing youth draw hunts.

Some people will absolutely be priced out with every increase, that is something I don't think we can deny.  With all of the other things kids can do with their time, I just wonder how many more hurdles we can give them before we see an even bigger problem.  There are very good reasons why fishing licenses are free for kids and the same argument holds true for hunting.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: ballpark on August 14, 2019, 12:34:36 PM
Every state sticks it to the NR hunters and fishermen, it's hard to argue against that.  They pay a big multiple of residents across the board for virtually everything.

If we are only talking about youth hunter recruitment, then doubling the prices will hurt that.  It certainly isn't going to draw more people.  Some will still go and some won't, nobody knows until it's in the rearview mirror.  I think the point is that hunter recruitment doesn't seem to come up much when prices are set and the trend lately seems to be in closing the gap between youth and adult prices and reducing youth draw hunts.

Some people will absolutely be priced out with every increase, that is something I don't think we can deny.  With all of the other things kids can do with their time, I just wonder how many more hurdles we can give them before we see an even bigger problem.  There are very good reasons why fishing licenses are free for kids and the same argument holds true for hunting.
$93 to $563 is quite a bit more than doubling it. :yike:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bob33 on August 14, 2019, 12:42:03 PM
I would think most new youth hunters will be hunting in their own state so I'm not following how this has a significant impact on hunter recruitment.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: dvolmer on August 14, 2019, 12:46:52 PM
I would think most new youth hunters will be hunting in their own state so I'm not following how this has a significant impact on hunter recruitment.

Agreed
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: JBar on August 14, 2019, 12:58:19 PM
I took my son 4 nephews and one niece over to Idaho to deer hunt. I dangled a carrot of Idaho as reward for a 3.5 GPA in school. Cost me about $600 to dangle that carrot, however that would not have been an option at $550 each and I'm not sure they'd still be hunting today by trying to hunt the Washington sh*t show. 3 of them harvested their first deer over there, all but one still hunt!!
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Stein on August 14, 2019, 01:07:29 PM
Kids hunt where their parent or mentor hunt.  If their parent or mentor is priced out, the kid is priced out.  If you don't hunt when you are growing up, the chance of you picking it up when you are an adult is extremely slim.

Additionally, not every state has reasonable big game opportunities so they head to a state like ID to hunt.  If NR fees are too high, they don't hunt anywhere.

Finally, we keep chipping away at the edges between short seasons, complicated regulations, reduced access to public opportunities, expensive licenses, fewer draw tags, firearm restrictions and the list goes on.  Any of them by themselves may not be a big deal, but added together they are a huge hurdle to new hunters.

From my perspective, more decisions need to be looked at through the lens of maintaining and building the hunting base.  We are already seeing what happens in a state like WA when sportsmen become a small minority.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: 2MANY on August 14, 2019, 01:10:14 PM
You need not worry.
The money grab will happen.....just a matter of when.

I hope they spend the extra money on enforcement because they will need twice as much.

Less opportunity and less wildlife at a premium.
Neat.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bob33 on August 14, 2019, 01:28:19 PM
If the future of hunting depends on parents taking their youth hunters out of state to hunt big game, then it's most likely not going to end well.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 14, 2019, 01:41:24 PM
If the future of hunting depends on parents taking their youth hunters out of state to hunt big game, then it's most likely not going to end well.
so we just throw our hands up :dunno: if you live in any of the many western states besides WA I dont see a reason to migrate your kids across state lines. I've yet to hunt anywhere besides wilderness in WA during a modern season were I would consider it even remotely close to a quality experience.  Like I've said now for the millionth time, there is paying the bills and then there is greed. This is greed.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 14, 2019, 01:49:17 PM
Where are you guys coming up with $500 or $550 to take youth hunting in the new proposal?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Stein on August 14, 2019, 01:54:54 PM
The future of hunting relies on recruiting new hunters.  None of these changes should be considered in a vacuum.  It's all part of the equation that ends up with either more hunting or less hunting.

It's like saying that banning hound hunting is an ok idea because if you want to hunt bears you will find a way to make it happen and most people that hunt bears don't use hounds anyway.  Banning hound hunting resulted in fewer bear hunters.  Maybe a few less, maybe a lot less, but less for sure.

I look at all of this stuff big picture.

Anyway, that's my view.  Good luck in ID or wherever you roam this fall.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 14, 2019, 02:27:32 PM
The future of hunting relies on recruiting new hunters.  None of these changes should be considered in a vacuum.  It's all part of the equation that ends up with either more hunting or less hunting.

It's like saying that banning hound hunting is an ok idea because if you want to hunt bears you will find a way to make it happen and most people that hunt bears don't use hounds anyway.  Banning hound hunting resulted in fewer bear hunters.  Maybe a few less, maybe a lot less, but less for sure.

I look at all of this stuff big picture.

Anyway, that's my view.  Good luck in ID or wherever you roam this fall.
spot on
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: ballpark on August 14, 2019, 02:48:28 PM
Where are you guys coming up with $500 or $550 to take youth hunting in the new proposal?
Deer + Elk Jr. Mentored/DAV License and tag.
Tag - Deer $22 (new $175) Elk $38 (new $298)
License - $30 (new $90)

Got to read the whole thing - man :tup:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 14, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Where are you guys coming up with $500 or $550 to take youth hunting in the new proposal?

For a youth to hunt Idaho next year for deer and elk it will be $563...if my math is right.  This year I believe it cost them $93 for the same three items, hunting lic, deer tag and elk tag.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 14, 2019, 02:52:04 PM
Roger it just seemed like most of the guys were just talking about taking a kid deer hunting. Personally I have sympathy for the kids that are actually working and paying for this stuff on their own but Iíd say thatís extremely rare.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bob33 on August 14, 2019, 02:52:06 PM
If the future of hunting depends on parents taking their youth hunters out of state to hunt big game, then it's most likely not going to end well.
so we just throw our hands up :dunno: if you live in any of the many western states besides WA I dont see a reason to migrate your kids across state lines. I've yet to hunt anywhere besides wilderness in WA during a modern season were I would consider it even remotely close to a quality experience.  Like I've said now for the millionth time, there is paying the bills and then there is greed. This is greed.
I'm not throwing my hands up and certainly not advocating that. There is still quality hunting in Washington for youths. There are youth deer and elk permits with good draw odds. WDFW puts on some mentored hunts for youth for species like turkey and often don't have enough youth turn out to take advantage of them.

It is unfortunate that hunting is becoming more expensive; that hurts all hunters.

Whether or not states which are raising their prices simply out of greed is debatable. I suspect that with the large influx of non-resident hunters that states like Idaho have got recently some of the pressure to raise prices came from resident hunters.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 14, 2019, 02:53:44 PM
Compare the cost to Washington nonresident prices and quality of hunting and Iíd say Idaho could double the price and itíd still be a better value.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 14, 2019, 02:55:21 PM
Where are you guys coming up with $500 or $550 to take youth hunting in the new proposal?
Deer + Elk Jr. Mentored/DAV License and tag.
Tag - Deer $22 (new $175) Elk $38 (new $298)
License - $30 (new $90)

Got to read the whole thing - man :tup:

If they archery hunt or muzzy hunt add another $80.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bango skank on August 14, 2019, 02:58:45 PM
Where are you guys coming up with $500 or $550 to take youth hunting in the new proposal?
Deer + Elk Jr. Mentored/DAV License and tag.
Tag - Deer $22 (new $175) Elk $38 (new $298)
License - $30 (new $90)

Got to read the whole thing - man :tup:

If they archery hunt or muzzy hunt add another $80.

So maybe pass on the elk until the kids old enough to make his own money? You can still take your kid deer hunting in idaho for $265, thats really not bad for non resident.  I bet a lot of people complaining about it spend more than a hundred bucks a month on cable tv.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: ballpark on August 14, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
Where are you guys coming up with $500 or $550 to take youth hunting in the new proposal?
Deer + Elk Jr. Mentored/DAV License and tag.
Tag - Deer $22 (new $175) Elk $38 (new $298)
License - $30 (new $90)

Got to read the whole thing - man :tup:
If they archery hunt or muzzy hunt add another $80.

So maybe pass on the elk until the kids old enough to make his own money? You can still take your kid deer hunting in idaho for $265, thats really not bad for non resident.  I bet a lot of people complaining about it spend more than a hundred bucks a month on cable tv.
It started by me whining about Non-Resident and Non-Resident Jr. Mentored/DAV going up, and has morphed into taking your kids hunting. :tup:

Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 14, 2019, 05:58:20 PM
I would think most new youth hunters will be hunting in their own state so I'm not following how this has a significant impact on hunter recruitment.


 :yeah: I never hunted out of state till I was in my late 30s or early 40s and It was just to go back and hunt in Montana where I grew up hunting. Most youth I don't think hunt out of state.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 14, 2019, 06:20:31 PM
I took my son 4 nephews and one niece over to Idaho to deer hunt. I dangled a carrot of Idaho as reward for a 3.5 GPA in school. Cost me about $600 to dangle that carrot, however that would not have been an option at $550 each and I'm not sure they'd still be hunting today by trying to hunt the Washington sh*t show. 3 of them harvested their first deer over there, all but one still hunt!!

I took my son as an Idaho resident to harvest his first few deer in Washington as a non-resident. We started when he was 8 to take advantage of they ability to hunt under 12 over there. He is still an avid hunter today at 16. His first deer was a doe and it was one of the most fun and memorable hunts of my life and I have hunted lots of places and about any critter you can legally hunt. I would think you could take kids hunting over there and have a good if not great experience as long as your expectations are not shooting 180 inch deer or like in our case even a buck. My first deer was a doe also and I have not slowed down hunting for 40 years, in fact I think the addiction has gotten worse!   
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 14, 2019, 06:35:53 PM
If the future of hunting depends on parents taking their youth hunters out of state to hunt big game, then it's most likely not going to end well.

Agreed -my dad never ever mentioned hunting out of state when I was a kid. I had a hard time convincing him to drive east of the mountains in Montana  :chuckle: I don't remember any discount on my resident license and there definitely was NO special youth hunts or draws. States already do more for youth hunters than they did when I was a kid. I agree with special opportunities for kids 100% but acting like states are not doing more trying to recruit youth hunters is not true. Out of state hunting for youth is a luxury some kids get if they are lucky to be born to avid hunting parents that can afford it or prioritize their spending so they can afford it 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bango skank on August 14, 2019, 06:58:45 PM
If the future of hunting depends on parents taking their youth hunters out of state to hunt big game, then it's most likely not going to end well.

 Out of state hunting for youth is a luxury some kids get if they are lucky to be born to avid hunting parents that can afford it or prioritize their spending so they can afford it

Oh come on, its 2019.  Where is your sense of entitlement?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Pegasus on August 14, 2019, 07:04:39 PM
Looks like the liberals in Idaho have taken over. Most are anti-veteran. No matter how many times they thank you for your service, they still despise you. The new prices are obviously being targeted against veterans. This is not an accident Also kill the youth hunting and kill future hunting which is their ultimate goal. They are purposely ignoring the financial contributions that non-resident hunters already provide to the IDFG budget and the huge boon non-resident hunters have on the small town local economies. Meals, lodging, equipment, fuel and guide services are some of the sales from out-of-staters that will be destroyed.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 14, 2019, 08:04:14 PM
As a Vet and former WA resident I don't take it that way at all.  Before they changed it so that Non-Resident Disabled Vets paid resident prices, I still hunted Idaho, at full Non-Resident prices.  It was VERY nice when they changed it.  But if I was still a Non-Resident Disabled Vet, I would still be coming here to hunt.  And I would imagine 85%+ youth mainly hunt their own state.  I never brought my kids over here to Idaho, but hunted plenty with all three boys in WA while they were still living at home.  These are still great prices for Non-Resident Disabled Vets, granted not nearly as good as they were, but still great prices...ones that I would absolutely still pay.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 14, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
Looks like the liberals in Idaho have taken over. Most are anti-veteran. No matter how many times they thank you for your service, they still despise you. The new prices are obviously being targeted against veterans. This is not an accident Also kill the youth hunting and kill future hunting which is their ultimate goal. They are purposely ignoring the financial contributions that non-resident hunters already provide to the IDFG budget and the huge boon non-resident hunters have on the small town local economies. Meals, lodging, equipment, fuel and guide services are some of the sales from out-of-staters that will be destroyed.
None of your rhetoric is supported by any facts and is frankly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 14, 2019, 08:18:17 PM
Looks like the liberals in Idaho have taken over. Most are anti-veteran. No matter how many times they thank you for your service, they still despise you. The new prices are obviously being targeted against veterans. This is not an accident Also kill the youth hunting and kill future hunting which is their ultimate goal. They are purposely ignoring the financial contributions that non-resident hunters already provide to the IDFG budget and the huge boon non-resident hunters have on the small town local economies. Meals, lodging, equipment, fuel and guide services are some of the sales from out-of-staters that will be destroyed.
   

Liberals have taken over Idaho says the guy from king county  :chuckle: the vet license increase is the only increase I disagree with. Disabled veterans deserve a lot more than discounted hunting license. If not being able to hunt out of state kills hunting our youth and their parents have bigger problems than tag prices. Idaho has more than enough hunters and our outdoor related economy wonít be destroyed with a few less non resident hunters if in fact tag sales decrease
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 14, 2019, 08:19:25 PM
If the future of hunting depends on parents taking their youth hunters out of state to hunt big game, then it's most likely not going to end well.

 Out of state hunting for youth is a luxury some kids get if they are lucky to be born to avid hunting parents that can afford it or prioritize their spending so they can afford it

Oh come on, its 2019.  Where is your sense of entitlement?  :chuckle:
   

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 14, 2019, 11:45:19 PM
Where this raise in price may backfire is in the sale of leftover tags.  And with the raise in price, there may be more of them to start with.  A lot of Idaho resident hunters buy leftover non resident tags for a second tag, after they tag out, at non resident prices, especially deer tags. A large raise in price could make many reconsider.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 15, 2019, 05:46:36 AM
I think it is the sudden leap in pricing for youth tags specifically that is making folks bitter. Gradual increases are expected and make sense to keep up with inflation and/or fund programs related to the cost.

This feels more money-grabbing to me and that doesn't come from a sense of entitlement, just my perspective.

I do agree that non-resident tags are probably going to be easier to pick up later in the year and I'm not mad about that aspect of it. I wonder if that is the goal here? Same amount of cash coming in but having tags available unlike the last few years?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: huntnnw on August 15, 2019, 06:01:53 AM
but deer didnt really jump that much. The $80 archery fee is ridiculous
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 15, 2019, 07:32:19 AM
The $80 archery fee is ridiculous

Agreed, my understanding is, it is a self inflicted pain requested by the archery folks many moons ago.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 15, 2019, 08:23:04 AM
I think it is the sudden leap in pricing for youth tags specifically that is making folks bitter. Gradual increases are expected and make sense to keep up with inflation and/or fund programs related to the cost.

This feels more money-grabbing to me and that doesn't come from a sense of entitlement, just my perspective.

I do agree that non-resident tags are probably going to be easier to pick up later in the year and I'm not mad about that aspect of it. I wonder if that is the goal here? Same amount of cash coming in but having tags available unlike the last few years?
IDFG is going to start restricting NR elk tags in general units to 10% of the 5 year average...there are some popular units where NR's were getting 25-30% of the tags.  In order to make that revenue neutral, they are raising the prices.  So - the goal is not about having tags available for more of the year...its about reducing overall tags and NR hunters in the state and doing it in a revenue neutral way.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: grade-creek-rd on August 15, 2019, 09:49:37 AM
As a hunter who has lived in both states, and still hunts both regularly, I hate to defend any kind of price hike, but Idaho has been a "bargain" as far as western states go, especially with general seasons...it is now more in-line with other western states, but still offers an over the counter, general season tag unlike some neighboring (MT) states that you must get drawn for just to get a general season tag.

I don't agree with raising the youth or vet tags as that simply doesn't make any sense...those programs are not like general season purchasers...they are to get youth afield and to help get disabled vets afield, period. Why raise their prices? If anything give the disabled NR vet the opportunity to buy a lifetime resident license and offer resident tag prices...they became disabled defending our ENTIRE country, including Idaho. The kid from the Bronx, NY was injured defending the USA, not just the Bronx.

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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: bracer40 on August 15, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
As a hunter who has lived in both states, and still hunts both regularly, I hate to defend any kind of price hike, but Idaho has been a "bargain" as far as western states go, especially with general seasons...it is now more in-line with other western states, but still offers an over the counter, general season tag unlike some neighboring (MT) states that you must get drawn for just to get a general season tag.

I don't agree with raising the youth or vet tags as that simply doesn't make any sense...those programs are not like general season purchasers...they are to get youth afield and to help get disabled vets afield, period. Why raise their prices? If anything give the disabled NR vet the opportunity to buy a lifetime resident license and offer resident tag prices...they became disabled defending our ENTIRE country, including Idaho. The kid from the Bronx, NY was injured defending the USA, not just the Bronx.

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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on August 15, 2019, 11:03:45 AM
Why not extend  the benefit to any veteran?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: buglebrush on August 15, 2019, 01:15:30 PM
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this.
Who thinks an increase from $93 to $553 for Non-resident Junior/DAV deer and elk tag/license is a good idea :bash:  Yes it was a great deal while it lasted.
I think you answered your own question...it was so far below market price that it would be almost negligent for them not to raise prices.
if profiting off of children is the goal then yes you are correct. But once again I'll argue that in the long run you alienate future customers and further hurt the heritage of hunting. Our numbers are dwindling at an alarming rate but our fish and game agencies just keep doubling down. But hey screw those NR hunters who fund 90% of our game agencies that allow us residents low tag costs, and those NR that dump MILLIONS into our local economies  :rolleyes:

Completely agree on the junior tags.  I've taken some of my cousin's out over the years, because their dad doesn't hunt.  There's no way it's happening at those prices.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: sagerat on August 15, 2019, 01:55:08 PM
 :yeah:  I agree, Idaho is making a poor decision here. Anyone notice how almost all kids are addicted to tablets these days? If anything they should make it easier for the kids to get afield, resident or nonresident.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bob33 on August 15, 2019, 04:00:20 PM
Under exceptional conditions a big game hunter is fortunate to pull the trigger once every two years.

For many beginning youth hunters in todayís world of instant gratification, thatís an eternity.

I believe that states would be more successful in attracting and retaining youth hunters if there was greater opportunity and emphasis on small game and upland bird hunting. Unfortunately, much of the upland bird hunting opportunities that Washington and other Western states had 40 years ago have disappeared or been greatly diminished.

A good middle ground might be turkey hunting. Hunters usually see game, and have shots much more frequently than they would hunting deer or elk.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: buglebrush on August 15, 2019, 04:46:18 PM
Under exceptional conditions a big game hunter is fortunate to pull the trigger once every two years.

For many beginning youth hunters in todayís world of instant gratification, thatís an eternity.

I believe that states would be more successful in attracting and retaining youth hunters if there was greater opportunity and emphasis on small game and upland bird hunting. Unfortunately, much of the upland bird hunting opportunities that Washington and other Western states had 40 years ago have disappeared or been greatly diminished.

A good middle ground might be turkey hunting. Hunters usually see game, and have shots much more frequently than they would hunting deer or elk.

Actually, what's needed it's longer seasons and Idaho provided that.  Much better experiences when you've got 7-14 weekends to deer hunt rather than 2.  Allows you to work around bad weather etc...
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Stein on August 15, 2019, 05:45:53 PM
I agree with both.  Duck hunting is great for kids as would be a 10 week youth deer season.

I would be happy to hang up my rifle if it meant more kids were drawn to hunting.

I have a 16 and 11 year old that are more grounded than most and I can tell you hunting and fishing donít have the draw they did when we were young.  There are so many more things top of mind.

From my perspective, we are one generation from the history books.


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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idahohuntr on August 15, 2019, 06:08:36 PM
A number of folks are disappointed that Idaho is not more generously subsidizing non-resident youth and disabled veterans big game tags...having them pay ~1/2 price is apparently greedy of Idahoans.  However, I'm not hearing what sacrifices these same folks would like to see Washington make in the name of youth hunter recruitment and appreciation of veterans?

A few have stated that there is really no quality hunting in WA general big game seasons...but there certainly are quality hunts available.  So, why not set aside all quality elk and deer permits and all moose, sheep, goat tags and all current raffle and auction tags for youth (including non-residents - as there are kids in Idaho that would also like Swakane sheep tags and dayton bull tags)?  This would be at least 1,000 tags...and to be eligible you have to be a kid or a disabled veteran.  Obviously there would still not be enough tags to give to every kid and disabled veteran a hunt every year - but it would be much, much higher proportion of kids and disabled veterans getting quality experiences. 
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 15, 2019, 06:21:34 PM
Non resident disabled veterans pay washington resident prices and non resident youth pay washington youth resident prices :tup:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: baker5150 on August 15, 2019, 06:30:40 PM
but deer didnt really jump that much. The $80 archery fee is ridiculous

I thought they did away with archery permits?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Stein on August 15, 2019, 06:31:41 PM
If you can get 1000 Dayton and sheep tags for kids and no adults, go for it.  I would be happy.  Reality is probably closer to 50.  Give those all to kids and I would help haul meat.

My comments were not exclusive to Idaho, you have the internet, sports and Xbox too.  They know no boundaries.

Or, we could all vote for things that benefit us and cuss the others when we all know what is going to happen happens.


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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: sagerat on August 15, 2019, 08:21:11 PM
A number of folks are disappointed that Idaho is not more generously subsidizing non-resident youth and disabled veterans big game tags...having them pay ~1/2 price is apparently greedy of Idahoans.  However, I'm not hearing what sacrifices these same folks would like to see Washington make in the name of youth hunter recruitment and appreciation of veterans?

A few have stated that there is really no quality hunting in WA general big game seasons...but there certainly are quality hunts available.  So, why not set aside all quality elk and deer permits and all moose, sheep, goat tags and all current raffle and auction tags for youth (including non-residents - as there are kids in Idaho that would also like Swakane sheep tags and dayton bull tags)?  This would be at least 1,000 tags...and to be eligible you have to be a kid or a disabled veteran.  Obviously there would still not be enough tags to give to every kid and disabled veteran a hunt every year - but it would be much, much higher proportion of kids and disabled veterans getting quality experiences.

Are you for real? Weíre talking general season opportunities here and in my opinion youth licenses should be damn near free no matter what state youíre talking about. Letís get them hunting, not playing video games. I understand fee hikes for the rest of us but completely disagree when it comes to the kids.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: idaho guy on August 15, 2019, 09:22:07 PM
As a hunter who has lived in both states, and still hunts both regularly, I hate to defend any kind of price hike, but Idaho has been a "bargain" as far as western states go, especially with general seasons...it is now more in-line with other western states, but still offers an over the counter, general season tag unlike some neighboring (MT) states that you must get drawn for just to get a general season tag.

I don't agree with raising the youth or vet tags as that simply doesn't make any sense...those programs are not like general season purchasers...they are to get youth afield and to help get disabled vets afield, period. Why raise their prices? If anything give the disabled NR vet the opportunity to buy a lifetime resident license and offer resident tag prices...they became disabled defending our ENTIRE country, including Idaho. The kid from the Bronx, NY was injured defending the USA, not just the Bronx.

Grade
   

Well said on the disabled vets couldnít agree more. Kids I think Idaho is still a good deal compared to many other western states. Kids can still hunt cheap in their resident state they are not being priced out of hunting at all. Huntin out of state is a luxury hunting in your home state is still cheap for youth. Washington in my experience has created a good youth hunting season especially with the ability to hunt at any age if you can pass hunter safety. If you donít like the price take your kid hunting at home,whatever state that happens to be.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: KFhunter on August 16, 2019, 06:27:42 PM
I disagree non-res youth should be reduced much at all, its just a way for a dad to hunt on the cheap and it takes away from folks paying full price. If they weren't ever selling out, then I'd reconsider.

Youth, elderly and vet tags should be dirt cheap for residents only.

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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: sagerat on August 16, 2019, 08:26:51 PM
I disagree non-res youth should be reduced much at all, its just a way for a dad to hunt on the cheap and it takes away from folks paying full price. If they weren't ever selling out, then I'd reconsider.

Youth, elderly and vet tags should be dirt cheap for residents only.

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How is that a way for dad to ďhunt on the cheapĒ?
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 17, 2019, 02:12:22 PM
I disagree non-res youth should be reduced much at all, its just a way for a dad to hunt on the cheap and it takes away from folks paying full price. If they weren't ever selling out, then I'd reconsider.

Youth, elderly and vet tags should be dirt cheap for residents only.

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How is that a way for dad to ďhunt on the cheapĒ?

Exactly. For the kid to hunt with the reduced price tag, dad has to buy a full price tag.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: buglebrush on August 18, 2019, 10:16:39 PM
I disagree non-res youth should be reduced much at all, its just a way for a dad to hunt on the cheap and it takes away from folks paying full price. If they weren't ever selling out, then I'd reconsider.

Youth, elderly and vet tags should be dirt cheap for residents only.

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You do understand that Dad has to buy a full price tag for the kids to tag along on the discount tag, right?   :bdid:
Title: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 19, 2019, 09:56:24 AM
I disagree non-res youth should be reduced much at all, its just a way for a dad to hunt on the cheap and it takes away from folks paying full price. If they weren't ever selling out, then I'd reconsider.

Youth, elderly and vet tags should be dirt cheap for residents only.

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You do understand that Dad has to buy a full price tag for the kids to tag along on the discount tag, right?   :bdid:
Actually if there is a resident friend or family then the kid can hunt with them, but I understand your point. Also just checked they changed the law to only needing to be accompanied by a license holder, no more tag required


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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: dvolmer on August 19, 2019, 10:28:08 AM
Us non-resident hunters need to realize that to State lawmakers and wildlife officials, "out of state hunters", are nothing but a high paying money source.  They don't care all that much about your youth.  They don't want to sell a tag at a reduced price when they are turning away others that are willing to pay full price no matter what your age, gender, veteran status, and so-on.  There loyalty is to there constituents and their state public.  They can pad their pockets and still offer a quality experience to their citizens and keep their fees at a minimum.  They could care less that out of state hunters aren't happy.  All that they care about is that their quota is sold and the money is coming!  They will raise prices and continue to raise prices until the number of "out of state hunters" equals the exact amount of licenses they are willing to sell.  Its all a business model to them and nothing more.  I'm not saying that I agree with any of  this.  Its just the way it is.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 20, 2019, 02:41:04 PM

Actually if there is a resident friend or family then the kid can hunt with them, but I understand your point. Also just checked they changed the law to only needing to be accompanied by a license holder, no more tag required

Not so. This is from the online regs.

"Deer - Jr.
Mentored and Disabled American Veteran (DAV) Must have either a Junior Mentored hunting or a Nonresident DAV hunting license. Those with a Junior Mentored hunting license must be accompanied by an adult with a tag(s) for the same species. The junior mentored/DAV deer tags are not valid for bear, mountain lion or gray wolf. Price not valid for nonresident general season deer or elk tags purchased as second tags."
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 23, 2019, 03:05:16 PM
Just for giggles I figured up my hunting license and tags for Idaho since 2000, kind of eye opening!  Hopefully my wife doesnt see this thread!!  :) 2013 through 2016 I was living in Virginia.

2000--$483.50
2001--$500.00
2002--$0
2003--$288.50
2004--$288.50
2005--$320.00
2006--$0
2007--$0
2008--$31.50
2009--$764.25
2010--$451.75
2011--$594.00
2012--$791.75
2013--$0
2014--$0
2015--$107.25
2016--$0
2017--$226.25
2018--$621.00
2019--$181.50 (First year as a Idaho Resident)

Grand Total of--$5649.75 for an average of $403.55 a year.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Bob33 on August 23, 2019, 03:26:16 PM
Just for giggles I figured up my hunting license and tags for Idaho since 2000, kind of eye opening!  Hopefully my wife doesnt see this thread!!  :) 2013 through 2016 I was living in Virginia.

2000--$483.50
2001--$500.00
2002--$0
2003--$288.50
2004--$288.50
2005--$320.00
2006--$0
2007--$0
2008--$31.50
2009--$764.25
2010--$451.75
2011--$594.00
2012--$791.75
2013--$0
2014--$0
2015--$107.25
2016--$0
2017--$226.25
2018--$621.00
2019--$181.50 (First year as a Idaho Resident)

Grand Total of--$5649.75 for an average of $403.55 a year.
"Priceless". :tup:
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Torrent50 on August 25, 2019, 08:23:52 AM
This may be a dumb question, but if the legislature is going to vote on this in 2020, when will it take effect?  2020 or 2021?  I don't know how they set their seasons or when the tags officially go on sale.  If it's like WA, then most things voted into law don't go into effect until July 1.  Might be wishful thinking, but hoping for one more year at the current prices.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: follow maggie on August 25, 2019, 11:21:56 AM
This may be a dumb question, but if the legislature is going to vote on this in 2020, when will it take effect?  2020 or 2021?  I don't know how they set their seasons or when the tags officially go on sale.  If it's like WA, then most things voted into law don't go into effect until July 1.  Might be wishful thinking, but hoping for one more year at the current prices.

This would be great for me. I'm trying to move to Idaho, but I won't be there in time for resident tags next year.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: bracer40 on August 25, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
Just for giggles I figured up my hunting license and tags for Idaho since 2000, kind of eye opening!  Hopefully my wife doesnt see this thread!!  :) 2013 through 2016 I was living in Virginia.

2000--$483.50
2001--$500.00
2002--$0
2003--$288.50
2004--$288.50
2005--$320.00
2006--$0
2007--$0
2008--$31.50
2009--$764.25
2010--$451.75
2011--$594.00
2012--$791.75
2013--$0
2014--$0
2015--$107.25
2016--$0
2017--$226.25
2018--$621.00
2019--$181.50 (First year as a Idaho Resident)

Grand Total of--$5649.75 for an average of $403.55 a year.
"Priceless". :tup:

$7.19/ week. Iíll bet most can find a way to save that amount each week instead of spending it on e.g. coffees, beer, cable tv, fill-in-the-blank....
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Machias on August 27, 2019, 03:01:11 PM
This may be a dumb question, but if the legislature is going to vote on this in 2020, when will it take effect?  2020 or 2021?  I don't know how they set their seasons or when the tags officially go on sale.  If it's like WA, then most things voted into law don't go into effect until July 1.  Might be wishful thinking, but hoping for one more year at the current prices.

Next year's tags go on sale 01 Dec of this year.  Not sure when they vote on this or when it takes affect if passed.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 27, 2019, 03:23:34 PM
December 1 of 2020.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: blackpowderhunter on September 05, 2019, 09:45:54 AM
This may be a dumb question, but if the legislature is going to vote on this in 2020, when will it take effect?  2020 or 2021?  I don't know how they set their seasons or when the tags officially go on sale.  If it's like WA, then most things voted into law don't go into effect until July 1.  Might be wishful thinking, but hoping for one more year at the current prices.

Next year's tags go on sale 01 Dec of this year.  Not sure when they vote on this or when it takes affect if passed.
i read somewhere it'd go into effect 2021.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 07, 2019, 06:29:46 AM
The meeting highlights are on the idfg web site..some of the proposed numbers seem different, but still some pretty steep increases...good thing in the next 5-6 year's I should be an Idaho resident.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: meatwhack on September 07, 2019, 10:07:05 AM
I think the fees are pretty well in line with most other states prices especially being one of the only available with true OTC opportunity.
Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: Jimmy33 on September 07, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
The meeting highlights are on the idfg web site..some of the proposed numbers seem different, but still some pretty steep increases...good thing in the next 5-6 year's I should be an Idaho resident.
Where exactly did you find the tag price numbers?


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Title: Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 07, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
The meeting highlights are on the idfg web site..some of the proposed numbers seem different, but still some pretty steep increases...good thing in the next 5-6 year's I should be an Idaho resident.
Where exactly did you find the tag price numbers?


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Sorry. Just referring to the proposed 10 percent increase across the board and higher increases for big game tags.. general notes from the meeting that where posted on the 3rd.