Post by: Elkpiss on October 27, 2020, 08:06:42 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 27, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
Post by: Elkpiss on October 27, 2020, 08:15:48 AM
PM responses are probably a good idea for this one.
Thats what im assuming i would get back, my buddy is a good hunter just not seeing the bulls that you might usually see in the Blues.. Sounds like Wolves are getting populated, between them and the Native hunts the blues sounds like its on the Major Decline....
Post by: Turkeyman on October 27, 2020, 09:03:56 AM
Post by: dvolmer on October 27, 2020, 09:17:24 AM
PM responses are probably a good idea for this one.
Thats what im assuming i would get back, my buddy is a good hunter just not seeing the bulls that you might usually see in the Blues.. Sounds like Wolves are getting populated, between them and the Native hunts the blues sounds like its on the Major Decline....
I had the Dayton Quality tag last year and it is BAD!!! Herds have been desimated and calf survival the two previous years has been minimal to none. Good luck!
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 28, 2020, 09:32:49 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 28, 2020, 09:51:13 PM
Post by: Elkpiss on October 29, 2020, 08:02:15 AM
Guys that hunt reasonably hard in the blues get what they deserve. If you want it on a platter that was 10 years ago. Keep the faith and your nose to the grindstone and your bud will get it done!!
talk to him yesterday, sounds like all the tag holders are having a tough time. Not sure if it was Mt Cook or Beau he talked to but he said a outfitter and there are only 2 in the unit said they have seen 4 elk and 17 wolfs. that doesnt sound good... :yike:
Post by: Elkpiss on October 29, 2020, 08:04:34 AM
You need a 700-1000 yd rifle to have a chance at the few left. They hang 3/4 down the canyon and no way to see them when you get down there. If you can shoot that far you have a chance....
thats what he said he saw a decent bull the only bull he has saw and thought he might shoot it but couldnt get close enough.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 29, 2020, 08:41:55 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 29, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
You need a 700-1000 yd rifle to have a chance at the few left. They hang 3/4 down the canyon and no way to see them when you get down there. If you can shoot that far you have a chance....Funny...that’s what a camp told me last year before they went home for opening weekend because it had snowed. Also about 24 hours before I had 5 bulls at under 100yds**
** I didn’t range em so maybe what I thought was like 65 yards was really 950... :dunno::dunno:
Post by: 3dvapor on October 29, 2020, 09:28:40 AM
Post by: Netminder01 on October 29, 2020, 03:02:38 PM
Through scrubbing HuntWA posts, it seems like you know the area. Any 411 would be greatly appreciated.
I'm jumping in somewhat cold to 346 for spike elk next week with a buddy, his kid & father. My buddy has hunted but not harvested an elk before and his father won't venture out much past the lower meadows. He's camped in the area for years so knows it and has seen plenty of cow, but few spikes. We're staying at Union Creek campground.
I have a few places to look into but everything has been found via forums, onX, Google Earth & GoHunt... The weather wouldn't appear to have pushed the elk to lower elevations yet so assume they're still up high, yeah? What about high camps - I've read a few outfitters sometimes run drop camps moving the elk around a bit/
Thanks in advance,
Chuck
Post by: 3dvapor on October 29, 2020, 03:26:13 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on October 29, 2020, 03:32:06 PM
I wouldnt waste my time for spikes in there. That would be like killing a unicorn.Lol. I spent a bunch of time and miles in there i would focus on spikes in the Dayton if possible. Although i did see one my partner and i laughed and thought we won the lottery.Pardon me sir, but the proper term is "double unicorn" :tup:
Post by: Elkpiss on October 29, 2020, 04:53:50 PM
Theyre there Sawtooth, buck ridge, squaw peak, dexter ridge. Dive off the ridges to the bottom and stay in there and you will find a good one. Those elk are living in the bottom 1/4. I would spike in and stay spend your energy down low glassing the ridges. pm me for questions. :twocents:
I know the unit and the popular spots to hunt, its for my buddy who is there currently hunting the rifle tag and isnt turning any bulls up, he has only seen 2-3 bulls in the last week and half and they have been dinks.. he is grinding, he was down in happy valley today and nothing but wolfes.. if you have hot tip i am sure he would be all ears and check it out..
Post by: Elkpiss on October 29, 2020, 04:56:50 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 29, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
Post by: Snakeriver on November 08, 2020, 09:11:32 PM
Post by: Elkpiss on November 10, 2020, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: Snakeriver on November 12, 2020, 04:14:31 PM
Post by: Elkpiss on December 01, 2020, 08:16:09 AM
I spent a little time in there this season also. We saw a pack of 17 wolves.
you may have talked to him, he said something about 17 wolfs?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 01, 2020, 09:02:17 AM
I spent a little time in there this season also. We saw a pack of 17 wolves.
A pack of 17 wolves will clear that entire unit this year of what little is left ! If true the wdfw should be in there with helicopters and AR 's..........
Post by: westside Elkhunter on December 02, 2020, 07:00:52 AM
I spent a little time in there this season also. We saw a pack of 17 wolves.Holy smokes. Pack of 17 wolves. Bet that was a sight to see.
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 03, 2020, 11:00:12 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 03, 2020, 11:33:13 AM
Post by: emac on December 06, 2020, 08:01:49 PM
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Post by: High Climber on December 06, 2020, 08:08:36 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 06, 2020, 09:10:40 PM
Well one user group didn't have a problem finding them in the west wenha (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201207/a7aeeafd871baa0869975814f154d8a1.jpg)
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Wtheck? Thats more than there were tags ?
Post by: Limhangerslayer on December 06, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
user group, I’m guessing native. Especially with the snow. I lot of money for them with jerky and pepperoni sales!!Well one user group didn't have a problem finding them in the west wenha (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201207/a7aeeafd871baa0869975814f154d8a1.jpg)
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Wtheck? Thats more than there were tags ?
Post by: huntnnw on December 06, 2020, 09:19:39 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 07, 2020, 06:21:38 AM
“User group”...that phrase just rubs me the wrong way. See...”that’s more than there were tags”
Whatever, you got yer treaty. Burn it down.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 07, 2020, 07:04:43 AM
Post by: emac on December 07, 2020, 07:44:47 AM
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Post by: Rainier10 on December 07, 2020, 07:50:22 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 07, 2020, 08:31:49 AM
We will be lucky to be hunting elk there in 10 years.
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Between the "user group" and the wolves make it 3 years ! In Utah limited trophy area same thing was happening and Game Dept kept reducing tags until down to 4 and finally gave up - why let one user group get 90% of the harvest - they just turned it into a general tag. Happened in Margaret unit just a matter of time for the Blues too.
Post by: SkookumHntr on December 07, 2020, 09:09:35 AM
Post by: HillHound on December 07, 2020, 11:09:10 AM
Waiting for the ''nothing illegal here, move on''. This kind of bs will never friggin end, growing numb to it, just like this crooked election. Talked to a warden a couple weeks ago about the yakama herd numbers, they are well aware of the ''Jerky" guy but say the elders won't do anything about it. If it's illegal to sell game meat, I'm not sure how anyone could get away with doing it on line? Just spent a half week in the bald hills area in the little naches/umptanum area, didn't see one elk myself, the group was able to get one cow. Lots of rifle shots on sat, few on fri. I say it again, wdfw should open up hunting in certain areas sept-dec any elk and any deer, any weapon. Can't beat them, join them.I agree 100%. I have said it before if you can’t beat them might as well join them and once all herds are decimated it will be the natives beating down WDFW’s door wanting to try to work with them on the management. I hate to see it happen but really either way it’s going to and we might as well put some meat in our freezers as well as all those guys that are selling jerky
Post by: emac on December 07, 2020, 08:47:22 PM
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Post by: High Climber on December 07, 2020, 09:15:24 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 07, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
It’s obvious to me , re-negotiate the treaties to take away off Rez hunting rights :dunno:So what are you offering em to give those up? $100,000 each ? $200,000 each?
Post by: idahohuntr on December 07, 2020, 10:53:45 PM
There is no requirement to offer anything or 're-negotiate'. Congress can modify treaties anytime they would like for any reason (or none at all).It’s obvious to me , re-negotiate the treaties to take away off Rez hunting rights :dunno:So what are you offering em to give those up? $100,000 each ? $200,000 each?
Post by: High Climber on December 08, 2020, 06:19:22 AM
This. Just take it away due to rampant abuse.There is no requirement to offer anything or 're-negotiate'. Congress can modify treaties anytime they would like for any reason (or none at all).It’s obvious to me , re-negotiate the treaties to take away off Rez hunting rights :dunno:So what are you offering em to give those up? $100,000 each ? $200,000 each?
Post by: trophyhunt on December 08, 2020, 06:32:40 AM
Post by: Caseyd on December 08, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
Post by: ridgefire on December 08, 2020, 10:22:31 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 08, 2020, 10:24:20 AM
Post by: slim9300 on December 10, 2020, 03:28:57 PM
Well one user group didn't have a problem finding them in the west wenha (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201207/a7aeeafd871baa0869975814f154d8a1.jpg)Zero shooter bulls for a 20+ point unit. Good for the hunters if they are happy, but let’s not tout this picture as supporting the quality of the Blues. In a few more years the Blues will have so few elk it’s embarrassing. There are OTC hunts all across the West that make the Blues look like a joke from the perspective of opportunity. I feel bad for hunters that are stuck to only hunting WA and have 20+ points.
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on December 10, 2020, 03:40:47 PM
Margaret is a soft spot... that hurts my heart..We will be lucky to be hunting elk there in 10 years.
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Between the "user group" and the wolves make it 3 years ! In Utah limited trophy area same thing was happening and Game Dept kept reducing tags until down to 4 and finally gave up - why let one user group get 90% of the harvest - they just turned it into a general tag. Happened in Margaret unit just a matter of time for the Blues too.
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 10, 2020, 04:18:55 PM
A lot of tag owners didn't find these bulls ?????
Post by: Caseyd on December 21, 2020, 11:15:58 AM
Kudos to those hunters that found some mashers - assuming it was fair chase and they are proud of and harvested for their own consumption.
A lot of tag owners didn't find these bulls ?????
You are correct, any animal harvested by someone else is an animal a tag holder didn’t find :chuckle:
It’s winter time, not even similar to a tag holder experience
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 21, 2020, 11:44:29 AM
It’s winter time, not even similar to a tag holder experience
You think they were not in the unit during the season?
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2020, 12:08:58 PM
Post by: Caseyd on December 21, 2020, 12:25:00 PM
It’s winter time, not even similar to a tag holder experience
You think they were not in the unit during the season?
They were.....just not in an area you can get into in December.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 22, 2020, 11:50:14 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 22, 2020, 11:55:47 AM
How do you shoot a bull like that and then just hack the head off?they don’t have to wait 15-20 years to draw.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 22, 2020, 12:08:05 PM
I get that but that is still a pretty epic bull. I am not sure I could shoot one of that caliber every five years even if I could hunt bulls all year long every year with a rifle.How do you shoot a bull like that and then just hack the head off?they don’t have to wait 15-20 years to draw.
I know it happens, guys shoot an animal, hack the head off and then realize after the shock wears off what a great animal they harvested and then the search for a cape begins. Shoot that cape was worth a ton to a guy that ruined one on the shot, on the pack out or that spoiled in the heat and they needed to replace it.
Great bull and I am happy for them as long as it was all done legally. Either way it is too bad they just hacked the head off.
Post by: Stein on December 22, 2020, 12:14:52 PM
Either way, what an incredible bull.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 22, 2020, 05:18:13 PM
-We could go round and round but Wik told me no less than 4 times when I last spoke to him "they don't report, we can't do anything about their harvest".
-Hating on the natives? Facts are facts jack...this is what's happening.
-Also a fact, you and I (probably) could not begin to imagine what it would be like to be born into the native culture/life/lifestyle today...Google some statistics, it'll blow your mind.
**I no longer apply for elk tags in WA and when I draw a deer tag with my kids when their old enough to hunt I will exit the license pool completely.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 22, 2020, 05:50:35 PM
If you guys haven't figured out yet that OUR license dollars are paying WDFW to reduce OUR tag numbers so there's more elk/bulls for Umatilla/Nez Perce to shoot in late-September/early-October and December/January then I don't know what to tell you.speaking the truth!!
-We could go round and round but Wik told me no less than 4 times when I last spoke to him "they don't report, we can't do anything about their harvest".
-Hating on the natives? Facts are facts jack...this is what's happening.
-Also a fact, you and I (probably) could not begin to imagine what it would be like to be born into the native culture/life/lifestyle today...Google some statistics, it'll blow your mind.
**I no longer apply for elk tags in WA and when I draw a deer tag with my kids when their old enough to hunt I will exit the license pool completely.
Post by: sagerat on December 22, 2020, 06:58:39 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 22, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
Play by the same rules. Same hunting seasons, open the gates they are given keys to, same fishing seasons, allow any American to open a casino. No more special treatment.you are such a racist!!!
:tup: :tup: Wouldn’t that be a change for the best!
Post by: sagerat on December 22, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
Post by: dvolmer on December 22, 2020, 08:00:11 PM
Like I have said before, The American Western Hunter will soon be a thing of the past unless you are very wealthy. It wont happen overnight but I sure would hate to see things in 20 to 30 years from now the way it is currently going. 40 years ago I was hunting and we have been moving this way ever since. For instance, all of the old time ranch owners that felt like they were stewards of the land have passed away and all of their ranches have been taken over by their kids or sold to corporate ranches and all of my 10 separate land owners that I used to hunt on have turned into hunting clubs or leased hunting. If you wanted to hunt these properties now you have to pay a bunch and the cost is going up and up yearly. In some ways technology has improved hunting but in the long haul it will be its demise. 40 years ago natives were hunting but all they wanted was a fat cow a year to feed their families. Now with the demand for big bulls and trophy hunting that has been pushed ever harder with all of your favorite outdoor channel shows, pod casts, and so forth it has increased the desire for the native to hunt big bulls. Those antlers are worth a ton :twocents:
Post by: sagerat on December 22, 2020, 08:06:46 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 22, 2020, 08:12:45 PM
I hate to bring this up, but we pay for all of this! Every Penny!! How much are you paying each year for your Washington license and all your special permit applications and so on as you watch your quota numbers tank into the toilet. Ask the natives how much their licenses cost. Zero! All the biologists and all the enforcement you are paying for and getting close to nothing in return. Yes the natives have their own biologists, enforcement, and so on but your tax dollars are paying for all of that too. It is going to get way worse before it ever gets better. Your quality and bull quotas are going to get lower and lower until it hits close to zero (actually that has already happened). I would say that eventually it will all have to give, but not in this liberal state. Look at the elk section in the forum this year. Usually in late October/early November the section was full of quality tag holders and Bull tag holders success pictures. This year it had a couple only. Most of the quality units and bull units slashed their tag numbers in the last 5 years and most of the super so-called lucky guys that drew a tag ate them. But we as a group of hunters have given into the bonus point nightmare that makes you think you just cant get out because you have so many points when actually as your points increase, your draw odds are going down but you are hooked mentally thinking you cant walk away. So you all will still put your money up and fund this craziness and complain along the way until everything goes belly up!! Just my two cents :twocents:wow, you nailed it! I’m one of those high point holders that can’t disconnect myself from that point system. Brutal honesty!! And especially agree with the cost, even taxidermy work is getting STUPID! They can charge what they want, turn customers away, and charge 1,200 to 1,300 for a damn hair on tan for a bear!! That used to be 300-400 dollars! The taxi’s have waaaaay too many customers now, it’s a shame. I’ve been saying it for the past 13 years, once I zero out, I’m done. I now sit at 26 points, it’s like a heroin addiction.
Like I have said before, The American Western Hunter will soon be a thing of the past unless you are very wealthy. It wont happen overnight but I sure would hate to see things in 20 to 30 years from now the way it is currently going.
Post by: dvolmer on December 22, 2020, 08:23:46 PM
I'm right there with ya! Its like being in an abusive marriage. Cant leave because your in love with it all, while its kicking ya in the #$@#'s over and over again. Last year I was lucky enough to draw my quality tag with 13 points. This year I drew my bull tag with 14 points and my cow tag with 7 points. So I am done with it all!!! But the guy with a ton of points is like the guy trying to get off of Meth! Easy to say but hard to do that is for sure and I wouldn't begrudge a guy for putting in for ever! But man are we screwed!!!!I hate to bring this up, but we pay for all of this! Every Penny!! How much are you paying each year for your Washington license and all your special permit applications and so on as you watch your quota numbers tank into the toilet. Ask the natives how much their licenses cost. Zero! All the biologists and all the enforcement you are paying for and getting close to nothing in return. Yes the natives have their own biologists, enforcement, and so on but your tax dollars are paying for all of that too. It is going to get way worse before it ever gets better. Your quality and bull quotas are going to get lower and lower until it hits close to zero (actually that has already happened). I would say that eventually it will all have to give, but not in this liberal state. Look at the elk section in the forum this year. Usually in late October/early November the section was full of quality tag holders and Bull tag holders success pictures. This year it had a couple only. Most of the quality units and bull units slashed their tag numbers in the last 5 years and most of the super so-called lucky guys that drew a tag ate them. But we as a group of hunters have given into the bonus point nightmare that makes you think you just cant get out because you have so many points when actually as your points increase, your draw odds are going down but you are hooked mentally thinking you cant walk away. So you all will still put your money up and fund this craziness and complain along the way until everything goes belly up!! Just my two cents :twocents:wow, you nailed it! I’m one of those high point holders that can’t disconnect myself from that point system. Brutal honesty!! And especially agree with the cost, even taxidermy work is getting STUPID! They can charge what they want, turn customers away, and charge 1,200 to 1,300 for a damn hair on tan for a bear!! That used to be 300-400 dollars! The taxi’s have waaaaay too many customers now, it’s a shame. I’ve been saying it for the past 13 years, once I zero out, I’m done. I now sit at 26 points, it’s like a heroin addiction.
Like I have said before, The American Western Hunter will soon be a thing of the past unless you are very wealthy. It wont happen overnight but I sure would hate to see things in 20 to 30 years from now the way it is currently going.
Post by: emac on December 22, 2020, 08:27:31 PM
How do you shoot a bull like that and then just hack the head off?Because all they care about is the price of the antlers. The hide shoulder mount don't mean poop. What do you think the going rate on those antlers will be??
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Post by: meatwhack on December 23, 2020, 10:47:56 AM
Post by: idaho guy on December 23, 2020, 01:49:16 PM
I hate to bring this up, but we pay for all of this! Every Penny!! How much are you paying each year for your Washington license and all your special permit applications and so on as you watch your quota numbers tank into the toilet. Ask the natives how much their licenses cost. Zero! All the biologists and all the enforcement you are paying for and getting close to nothing in return. Yes the natives have their own biologists, enforcement, and so on but your tax dollars are paying for all of that too. It is going to get way worse before it ever gets better. Your quality and bull quotas are going to get lower and lower until it hits close to zero (actually that has already happened). I would say that eventually it will all have to give, but not in this liberal state. Look at the elk section in the forum this year. Usually in late October/early November the section was full of quality tag holders and Bull tag holders success pictures. This year it had a couple only. Most of the quality units and bull units slashed their tag numbers in the last 5 years and most of the super so-called lucky guys that drew a tag ate them. But we as a group of hunters have given into the bonus point nightmare that makes you think you just cant get out because you have so many points when actually as your points increase, your draw odds are going down but you are hooked mentally thinking you cant walk away. So you all will still put your money up and fund this craziness and complain along the way until everything goes belly up!! Just my two cents :twocents:wow, you nailed it! I’m one of those high point holders that can’t disconnect myself from that point system. Brutal honesty!! And especially agree with the cost, even taxidermy work is getting STUPID! They can charge what they want, turn customers away, and charge 1,200 to 1,300 for a damn hair on tan for a bear!! That used to be 300-400 dollars! The taxi’s have waaaaay too many customers now, it’s a shame. I’ve been saying it for the past 13 years, once I zero out, I’m done. I now sit at 26 points, it’s like a heroin addiction.
Like I have said before, The American Western Hunter will soon be a thing of the past unless you are very wealthy. It wont happen overnight but I sure would hate to see things in 20 to 30 years from now the way it is currently going.
Little off topic but many taxi are doing 300-400 max for hair on tan of bear hides. Whoever is charging 1300 is just ridiculous. Be worth it for you to send to Idaho or maybe even just eastern wa. I picked one up this year was around 300 and it’s perfect
Post by: trophyhunt on December 23, 2020, 03:54:14 PM
ill pm you, but there is a taxi on here that quoted me 750 just to deflesh and pull the fingers out.I hate to bring this up, but we pay for all of this! Every Penny!! How much are you paying each year for your Washington license and all your special permit applications and so on as you watch your quota numbers tank into the toilet. Ask the natives how much their licenses cost. Zero! All the biologists and all the enforcement you are paying for and getting close to nothing in return. Yes the natives have their own biologists, enforcement, and so on but your tax dollars are paying for all of that too. It is going to get way worse before it ever gets better. Your quality and bull quotas are going to get lower and lower until it hits close to zero (actually that has already happened). I would say that eventually it will all have to give, but not in this liberal state. Look at the elk section in the forum this year. Usually in late October/early November the section was full of quality tag holders and Bull tag holders success pictures. This year it had a couple only. Most of the quality units and bull units slashed their tag numbers in the last 5 years and most of the super so-called lucky guys that drew a tag ate them. But we as a group of hunters have given into the bonus point nightmare that makes you think you just cant get out because you have so many points when actually as your points increase, your draw odds are going down but you are hooked mentally thinking you cant walk away. So you all will still put your money up and fund this craziness and complain along the way until everything goes belly up!! Just my two cents :twocents:wow, you nailed it! I’m one of those high point holders that can’t disconnect myself from that point system. Brutal honesty!! And especially agree with the cost, even taxidermy work is getting STUPID! They can charge what they want, turn customers away, and charge 1,200 to 1,300 for a damn hair on tan for a bear!! That used to be 300-400 dollars! The taxi’s have waaaaay too many customers now, it’s a shame. I’ve been saying it for the past 13 years, once I zero out, I’m done. I now sit at 26 points, it’s like a heroin addiction.
Like I have said before, The American Western Hunter will soon be a thing of the past unless you are very wealthy. It wont happen overnight but I sure would hate to see things in 20 to 30 years from now the way it is currently going.
Little off topic but many taxi are doing 300-400 max for hair on tan of bear hides. Whoever is charging 1300 is just ridiculous. Be worth it for you to send to Idaho or maybe even just eastern wa. I picked one up this year was around 300 and it’s perfect
Post by: dvolmer on December 23, 2020, 10:52:12 PM
Depends if it’s the beginning of the month or end of the month.Love it!!!! Even though it is sad! But oh so true!!!
Post by: dilleytech on December 26, 2020, 08:11:07 AM
ill pm you, but there is a taxi on here that quoted me 750 just to deflesh and pull the fingers out.I hate to bring this up, but we pay for all of this! Every Penny!! How much are you paying each year for your Washington license and all your special permit applications and so on as you watch your quota numbers tank into the toilet. Ask the natives how much their licenses cost. Zero! All the biologists and all the enforcement you are paying for and getting close to nothing in return. Yes the natives have their own biologists, enforcement, and so on but your tax dollars are paying for all of that too. It is going to get way worse before it ever gets better. Your quality and bull quotas are going to get lower and lower until it hits close to zero (actually that has already happened). I would say that eventually it will all have to give, but not in this liberal state. Look at the elk section in the forum this year. Usually in late October/early November the section was full of quality tag holders and Bull tag holders success pictures. This year it had a couple only. Most of the quality units and bull units slashed their tag numbers in the last 5 years and most of the super so-called lucky guys that drew a tag ate them. But we as a group of hunters have given into the bonus point nightmare that makes you think you just cant get out because you have so many points when actually as your points increase, your draw odds are going down but you are hooked mentally thinking you cant walk away. So you all will still put your money up and fund this craziness and complain along the way until everything goes belly up!! Just my two cents :twocents:wow, you nailed it! I’m one of those high point holders that can’t disconnect myself from that point system. Brutal honesty!! And especially agree with the cost, even taxidermy work is getting STUPID! They can charge what they want, turn customers away, and charge 1,200 to 1,300 for a damn hair on tan for a bear!! That used to be 300-400 dollars! The taxi’s have waaaaay too many customers now, it’s a shame. I’ve been saying it for the past 13 years, once I zero out, I’m done. I now sit at 26 points, it’s like a heroin addiction.
Like I have said before, The American Western Hunter will soon be a thing of the past unless you are very wealthy. It wont happen overnight but I sure would hate to see things in 20 to 30 years from now the way it is currently going.
Little off topic but many taxi are doing 300-400 max for hair on tan of bear hides. Whoever is charging 1300 is just ridiculous. Be worth it for you to send to Idaho or maybe even just eastern wa. I picked one up this year was around 300 and it’s perfect
My last bear hide was 450$ including skinning feet and everything. That quote is ridiculous.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 26, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 26, 2020, 02:27:27 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 26, 2020, 08:19:16 PM
Look at the elk section in the forum this year. Usually in late October/early November the section was full of quality tag holders and Bull tag holders success pictures. This year it had a couple only. Most of the quality units and bull units slashed their tag numbers in the last 5 years and most of the super so-called lucky guys that drew a tag ate them.Tags have been cut and numbers are down in many areas, but I would not use what gets posted to this forum as a good surrogate for what was or was not harvested. :twocents:
Post by: Caseyd on December 26, 2020, 09:33:53 PM
Look at the elk section in the forum this year. Usually in late October/early November the section was full of quality tag holders and Bull tag holders success pictures. This year it had a couple only. Most of the quality units and bull units slashed their tag numbers in the last 5 years and most of the super so-called lucky guys that drew a tag ate them.Tags have been cut and numbers are down in many areas, but I would not use what gets posted to this forum as a good surrogate for what was or was not harvested. :twocents:
Correct
But with tag numbers reduced it makes it easier to follow. I believe both modern tags went unfilled, auction and raffle tags moved out of the area and harvested elsewhere, and I know personally that two watershed tags went unfilled also.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 28, 2020, 09:19:00 AM