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Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: Karl Blanchard on November 20, 2020, 11:16:26 AM
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Here they are folks
https://idfg.idaho.gov/tag/quotas/nonresident/deer
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Way I read it is this eliminates a person's ability to even hunt late whitetail if they purchase the general deer tag? This is a way to strictly limit a non-resident hunter to a specific GMU and they can't bounce around to others, correct?
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Way I read it is this eliminates a person's ability to even hunt late whitetail if they purchase the general deer tag? This is a way to strictly limit a non-resident hunter to a specific GMU and they can't bounce around to others, correct?
Why would it prevent you from hunting whitetail?
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Bummer.
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At least elk tag #'s in my area was unchanged. Deer means shoot one side of the road only and get tag early !
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Here they are folks
https://idfg.idaho.gov/tag/quotas/nonresident/deer
Elk tag (you know, for those of us who like hunting those dirty, stinky animals😂😜) info can be linked to from the same page.
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Way I read it is this eliminates a person's ability to even hunt late whitetail if they purchase the general deer tag? This is a way to strictly limit a non-resident hunter to a specific GMU and they can't bounce around to others, correct?
yup, tho maybe still buy second tag ????
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Way I read it is this eliminates a person's ability to even hunt late whitetail if they purchase the general deer tag? This is a way to strictly limit a non-resident hunter to a specific GMU and they can't bounce around to others, correct?
That’s correct, unless you picked a unit like 1 for example... with a general tag you could hunt mules or whities. This is a big loss for Nonres between having to pick one unit and the new quota system
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Way I read it is this eliminates a person's ability to even hunt late whitetail if they purchase the general deer tag? This is a way to strictly limit a non-resident hunter to a specific GMU and they can't bounce around to others, correct?
Why would it prevent you from hunting whitetail?
It no longer lets a guy head south and hunt mule deer and then if unsuccessful jump to the panhandle for the whitetail rut.
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I wish they would have went with deer "Zones" instead of individual units.
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So now you pick one unit for your general deer tag? That sucks... maybe it’s time for me to look into new states.
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So much for my scouting plans - gotta pick a unit now and be stuck with it! :bash:
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Writing.........
Meet wall.
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Just curious, the units with low tag numbers is that because there are low Elk numbers, or more residents that want to hunt it?
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I wish they would have went with deer "Zones" instead of individual units.
Me too. Interesting they went this route
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I am told it was done this way to spread non-resident pressure evenly across the state. Some units were over run with non-resident hunters while some units had as little as 3% non-resident hunters. The allocations are meant to put 10% to 15% nonresidents in each deer unit or elk zone. Overall there was no change in the statewide quotas for non-residents.
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I am told it was done this way to spread non-resident pressure evenly across the state. Some units were over run with non-resident hunters while some units had as little as 3% non-resident hunters. The allocations are meant to put 10% to 15% nonresidents in each deer unit or elk zone. Overall there was no change in the statewide quotas for non-residents.
Thanks. That's an awfully nice way of telling non-residents that where they will be hunting has fewer animals or the terrain is difficult to access. Hunters normally pick units where the game resides and don't pick areas where there is little or no game to be had.
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I am told it was done this way to spread non-resident pressure evenly across the state. Some units were over run with non-resident hunters while some units had as little as 3% non-resident hunters. The allocations are meant to put 10% to 15% nonresidents in each deer unit or elk zone. Overall there was no change in the statewide quotas for non-residents.
This might be fine for people who have an area that they know and like but I see people who are trying to learn Idaho being at a disadvantage. Oh well, those are the rules and we have to play by them
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Non residents may be bitter about it right now, but this is a good thing going forward. Hopefully it will put less pressure on the deer in some units and will lower hunter density. I haven't dealt with other hunters since moving to a remote area for deer with less hunters overall and have had a way better experience.
That being said, I'm glad I bought the lifetime resident license before my job moved me to another state. I'd have a difficult time picking between the 4 units I have in mind for mule deer if I was a non resident trying to get my tag locked in for December 1.
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Well maybe if they do this for a year they'll finally realize the overcrowding is more new idaho residents than it is non residents.
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Well maybe if they do this for a year they'll finally realize the overcrowding is more new idaho residents than it is non residents.
I thought the same thing but the license sales aren't really up the last couple years like you'd think. Maybe the residents are spending more days hunting.
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Just curious, the units with low tag numbers is that because there are low Elk numbers, or more residents that want to hunt it?
From what I saw, they didn't adjust any elk quotas. The new unit restriction is only applicable to deer tags.
The established tag numbers per unit by looking at a 5 year average of how many hunters reported hunting that unit and then applied a quota that was 10%-15% of that number for non resident tags. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with game population.
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They put a cap on every elk zone. Previously there wasn't a cap on some zones.
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Non residents may be bitter about it right now, but this is a good thing going forward. Hopefully it will put less pressure on the deer in some units and will lower hunter density. I haven't dealt with other hunters since moving to a remote area for deer with less hunters overall and have had a way better experience.
That being said, I'm glad I bought the lifetime resident license before my job moved me to another state. I'd have a difficult time picking between the 4 units I have in mind for mule deer if I was a non resident trying to get my tag locked in for December 1.
My understanding is that you still have to buy a non resident tag, so you would still be screwed. I could be wrong tho, I'll look that up.
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Well maybe if they do this for a year they'll finally realize the overcrowding is more new idaho residents than it is non residents.
:yeah:
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Well bummer.. :(
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Limits to nonresident participation in general season hunts go into effect for 2021 season
LEWISTON — The Idaho Fish and Game Commission on Nov. 20 approved changes to nonresident participation in general season deer and elk hunts to address concerns from residents about hunter congestion in some areas. Starting 2021, nonresident hunters in most general season elk and deer hunts will be limited to 10 or 15 percent of the total hunters in each elk zone or deer unit based on hunter participation estimates averaged over the last five years. The new limits do not apply to capped elk zones.
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/fg-commission-approves-changes-nonresident-participation-general-season-deer-and-elk-hunts
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Just curious, the units with low tag numbers is that because there are low Elk numbers, or more residents that want to hunt it?
From what I saw, they didn't adjust any elk quotas. The new unit restriction is only applicable to deer tags.
The established tag numbers per unit by looking at a 5 year average of how many hunters reported hunting that unit and then applied a quota that was 10%-15% of that number for non resident tags. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with game population.
“Nonresident A tags in some elk zones will be reduced by more than 50 percent.” Animal populations control where hunters go. More deer and elk equals more hunters.
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Non residents may be bitter about it right now, but this is a good thing going forward. Hopefully it will put less pressure on the deer in some units and will lower hunter density. I haven't dealt with other hunters since moving to a remote area for deer with less hunters overall and have had a way better experience.
That being said, I'm glad I bought the lifetime resident license before my job moved me to another state. I'd have a difficult time picking between the 4 units I have in mind for mule deer if I was a non resident trying to get my tag locked in for December 1.
My understanding is that you still have to buy a non resident tag, so you would still be screwed. I could be wrong tho, I'll look that up.
Purchasing a lifetime license guarantees you resident draw odds and also tags come out of the resident quota. With that though, if you move out of Idaho, you have to pay non resident tag and fee prices. I'm only deer hunting in Idaho in 2021 unless I move back or draw an antelope tag so it won't hurt the bank account too bad.
Hoping I'll be able to get back to Idaho or even move to Montana this spring.
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That’ll be interesting to see how that works with the lifetime license because it is still a nonresident tag even though you’re guaranteed one. I’d bet you have to choose a unit.
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Anyone know how this works with applying for limited hunts? Do you buy your tag and pick your unit then apply? Or?
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Anyone know how this works with applying for limited hunts? Do you buy your tag and pick your unit then apply? Or?
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If you want to be guaranteed a tag if you dont draw controlled you need to buy first. If you draw a controlled hunt they will let you exchange your tag for the controlled tag.
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Anyone know how this works with applying for limited hunts? Do you buy your tag and pick your unit then apply? Or?
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If you want to be guaranteed a tag if you dont draw controlled you need to buy first. If you draw a controlled hunt they will let you exchange your tag for the controlled tag.
I was wondering the same...was that info on the website? I couldn't find it.
This is going to turn a bunch of peoples seasons upside down, by Dec 1st I won't have any idea what is going on for next year..... Idaho used to be the back up if the other draws didn't pan out.
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Well maybe if they do this for a year they'll finally realize the overcrowding is more new idaho residents than it is non residents.
No worries there most the folks moving to Idaho don't hunt, are anti hunt or just hate to hunt................ :bash: Idaho is in for big changes down the road.
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Anyone know how this works with applying for limited hunts? Do you buy your tag and pick your unit then apply? Or?
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If you want to be guaranteed a tag if you dont draw controlled you need to buy first. If you draw a controlled hunt they will let you exchange your tag for the controlled tag.
I was wondering the same...was that info on the website? I couldn't find it.
This is going to turn a bunch of peoples seasons upside down, by Dec 1st I won't have any idea what is going on for next year..... Idaho used to be the back up if the other draws didn't pan out.
Thats how idaho has always been. You can trade your general tag for a controlled hunt if you draw. You dont need to have a general tag to apply tho.
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Can you not hunt general season in Idaho and a controlled hunt like you can in WA?
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No in Idaho you draw a tag not a permit like Washington.
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
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So do you guys think everything will sell out dec 1 anyways? Or will these changes give you time to think about it? I liked it much better when Idaho was a great back up, miss those days.
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So do you guys think everything will sell out dec 1 anyways? Or will these changes give you time to think about it? I liked it much better when Idaho was a great back up, miss those days.
I don't think it will all sell out immediately, but some f the areas will go fast, Idaho was always a back up but we always ended up there.
This is going to suck, but I can't disagree something had to be done with the crowding...
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The problem with crowding is the resident population explosion!
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The problem with crowding is the resident population explosion!
so since the quotas are the same for non Rez, will there be any difference in the amount of pressure since residence don’t have quotas ?
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They took the average number of res hunter per unit and limited the non res tags to 15% of that number if it was 15% or more on average for non res. If the non res participants were 10 percent or less they made those units have 10% limit. Some units had way more non res than other by a lot so this will not be the case going forward. Some place it says non res will be cut by more than 50% when it goes to 15% allotment.
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Did anyone notice that there is only 9806 tags available for elk if you add them up? Therefore the quota of 12,800 is actually a joke because there isn’t enough tags available to reach that number.
But don’t worry if your an Idaho resident because at the new price of $651/elk tag they only need to sell 8,190 tags to make as much money as they made off of non resident elk as they did last year.
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Wonder how the outfitter allocation comes into play?
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Wonder how the outfitter allocation comes into play?
I was thinking the same thing. They haven’t released any of those numbers so are they on top of the current quotas?
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Did anyone notice that there is only 9806 tags available for elk if you add them up? Therefore the quota of 12,800 is actually a joke because there isn’t enough tags available to reach that number.
But don’t worry if your an Idaho resident because at the new price of $651/elk tag they only need to sell 8,190 tags to make as much money as they made off of non resident elk as they did last year.
Where did you find the price? Was looking but can’t find it
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Did anyone notice that there is only 9806 tags available for elk if you add them up? Therefore the quota of 12,800 is actually a joke because there isn’t enough tags available to reach that number.
But don’t worry if your an Idaho resident because at the new price of $651/elk tag they only need to sell 8,190 tags to make as much money as they made off of non resident elk as they did last year.
Where did you find the price? Was looking but can’t find it
They came out in an earlier email in October. They did about a 20% across the board increase when you average the cost increase
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Outfitter non res are included in that 15%
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.
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Non residents may be bitter about it right now, but this is a good thing going forward. Hopefully it will put less pressure on the deer in some units and will lower hunter density. I haven't dealt with other hunters since moving to a remote area for deer with less hunters overall and have had a way better experience.
That being said, I'm glad I bought the lifetime resident license before my job moved me to another state. I'd have a difficult time picking between the 4 units I have in mind for mule deer if I was a non resident trying to get my tag locked in for December 1.
My understanding is that you still have to buy a non resident tag, so you would still be screwed. I could be wrong tho, I'll look that up.
Purchasing a lifetime license guarantees you resident draw odds and also tags come out of the resident quota. With that though, if you move out of Idaho, you have to pay non resident tag and fee prices. I'm only deer hunting in Idaho in 2021 unless I move back or draw an antelope tag so it won't hurt the bank account too bad.
Hoping I'll be able to get back to Idaho or even move to Montana this spring.
OK, That's what I thought. But I didn't know that even if you pay non res prices that the tag came out of resident pool.
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If you add up the deer tags there is just enough available tags in the unit to add up to the 14k. The worse part is that the units with the most tags have the lowest success rates...
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If you add up the deer tags there is just enough available tags in the unit to add up to the 14k. The worse part is that the units with the most tags have the lowest success rates...
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That is what I was wondering with my previous question, a unit with only 30-40 out of state tags is better than one with 200 plus? Sorry if this is too public, just trying to understand how it is going to work.
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Just curious, the units with low tag numbers is that because there are low Elk numbers, or more residents that want to hunt it?
From what I saw, they didn't adjust any elk quotas. The new unit restriction is only applicable to deer tags.
The established tag numbers per unit by looking at a 5 year average of how many hunters reported hunting that unit and then applied a quota that was 10%-15% of that number for non resident tags. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with game population.
:yeah: That’s how I understood it also it is a percentage of the 5 year average. 39 has 1156 tags tells you a lot about that unit that most people already knew.
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I think nearly half the license plates were from WA where I was at, and the Idaho plates wouldn't wave back 🤔
Think I need a new area 😅
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Anyone know where to find the previous years hunter numbers per gmu where it actually shows the number of resident vs non resident hunters? I’ve found the total hunter numbers but it doesn’t break it down by non resident and resident.
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.
It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.
It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?
That's the way it's been. But it could be interesting if more non res hunters buy whitetail tags with the original 14,000 tags. All the capped units might be maxed out before they get to the 1500 extra whitetail tags.
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.
It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?
No i think you right. I didnt read far enough into it before. I was thinking the regular deer was 12500 and whitetail 1500. To make 1400 but i was wrong. Doesnt happen often. :chuckle:
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.
It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?
That's the way it's been. But it could be interesting if more non res hunters buy whitetail tags with the original 14,000 tags. All the capped units might be maxed out before they get to the 1500 extra whitetail tags.
Is says reserved 1500 whitetail tags. Seperate of the 14000
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.
It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?
That's the way it's been. But it could be interesting if more non res hunters buy whitetail tags with the original 14,000 tags. All the capped units might be maxed out before they get to the 1500 extra whitetail tags.
Is says reserved 1500 whitetail tags. Seperate of the 14000
Yes but now with each unit capped, the caps could be filled before they get to that 1500 tags, if enough people bought a whitetail tag instead of mule deer tags.
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https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/styles/threshold-1200/public/nonresident-quota-limit-matrix_0.jpg?itok=2Jxo5c-8
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Well kids not counting towards the 15500 total is a good thing. If I read that link correct anyway.
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Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.
It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?
That's the way it's been. But it could be interesting if more non res hunters buy whitetail tags with the original 14,000 tags. All the capped units might be maxed out before they get to the 1500 extra whitetail tags.
Is says reserved 1500 whitetail tags. Seperate of the 14000
Yes but now with each unit capped, the caps could be filled before they get to that 1500 tags, if enough people bought a whitetail tag instead of mule deer tags.
Nope, set aside for after the 14000. It says to be sold after the 14000 if they hit 14000
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Nope, set aside for after the 14000. It says to be sold after the 14000 if they hit 14000
That 14,000 can either be any deer or just whitetail, your choice. The 1500 is for additional whitetail tags. Different seasons for each and different quotas as far the unit quotas go. If by chance more people purchased whitetail tags than normal, instead of "any deer" tags for the first 14,000 there may not be enough quota spots left for the "extra" 1500 whitetail tags.
For example..... I just totaled up the quota for non res whitetail tags. And if I didn't screw up, next year the total non res whitetail quota if you add up all the units is 3,836. there are 14,000 possible tags that can either be the reg tags or whitetail tags depending on your choice. If 3,836 of those tags were whitetail tags, there would be no quota left for the "extra" 1,500 whitetail tags. They can sell those 1,500 "extra" tags, but where are you going to hunt with them if the quota is already filled for each unit? The only way I can see them being used is if they are sold to resident hunters as second tags.
The other problem I see with this plan is...... The real overcrowding issue is the number of new resident hunters over the years, as the non res numbers have been capped for a very long time. It doesn't really matter if 10%-15% of the hunters (the non res hunters) can only hunt one unit if all those resident hunters are still free to move around to any unit they want. Especially if the resident hunters end up purchasing second tags because non res hunters can't use them. So I don't see any real reduction in crowding except for a few localized areas.
One other issue is, they probably won't sell as many muzzleloader licenses, because there are only a few units with muzzleloader seasons for deer. Say I got a whitetail tag for unit 14. If I don't fill my tag by Nov. 20, the end of the season, I can't change to say unit 16 for muzzleloader season, so I won't be buying the muzzleloader endorsement.
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This is copied directly from their webpage
*Reserved White-tailed Deer tags become available after the main quota of 14,000 has sold out.
I maybe misunderstanding something :dunno:
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This is copied directly from their webpage
*Reserved White-tailed Deer tags become available after the main quota of 14,000 has sold out.
I maybe misunderstanding something :dunno:
That's only because they didn't think this through. In fact I just saw something funny here...... I added up all the regular deer tag quotas per unit and all the whitetail units per quota and I come up with this....... Regular deer tag quota is 13,431, and whitetail deer tag quota adds up to 3,836. See the problem? 13,431 plus 3,836 equals 17,267. That is higher than the number of tags available, (14,000 plus 1500 reserved whitetail tags = 15,500) So if they filled all the quota, that would actually increase the number of non res deer hunters. I'm guessing they won't. and some of the unit quotas for non res won't be filled. But it would be funny of the result of this new plan was it increased non res participation.
Maybe I added the quotas up wrong, but I don't think I did.
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They will still only sell the 14k regular tags. Some units won't sell out of the allotted tags. I think they added extra knowing units won't sell out but it gives people plan b,c, and d options.
I hope they have a better system in place for updating available tag numbers though.
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And I don't think whitetail only tags become available til general sells out. That's why there is two different quota's. Some units have way more whitetail only tags then general tags and vis versa.
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The overall quota will be hit before all the individual quotas are filled. Otherwise it would be an overall reduction in tags and they didnt want that. Some areas will see a lot more non res hunters than before. Get ready locals!
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The overall quota will be hit before all the individual quotas are filled. Otherwise it would be an overall reduction in tags and they didnt want that. Some areas will see a lot more non res hunters than before. Get ready locals!
I wonder what a 50 percent reduction in non res pass through traffic will do to small outskirt towns like Pierce. Im sure they will be fine but its going to have some financial impact. :dunno:
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Do you guys think tags will sell out right away? I guess I’ll base my Idaho hunt or non hunt on when they do.. I’m not planning on buying tags December 1 and if they’re gone i miss out.
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Deer will sell out in some areas and people may get elk same time so expect quota filled by June 1 this year
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I wouldn’t be surprised if some sell out in December.
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I'll be getting mine, until I can convince the guys I hunt with to try other western states lol
This $ increase is gonna help me do that
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I'll be getting mine, until I can convince the guys I hunt with to try other western states lol
This $ increase is gonna help me do that
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As much as i love it I’m going to look elsewhere too. Makes the steaks a little higher to be a resident
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And I don't think whitetail only tags become available til general sells out.
That is not true. I buy my whitetail tag every year, well before the 14,000 tags are sold out.
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I’m gonna email em and suggest they have a draw for like 1,000 tags where NRs can hunt all the units, all the seasons as in the past.
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I’m gonna email em and suggest they have a draw for like 1,000 tags where NRs can hunt all the units, all the seasons as in the past.
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The elk tags still come up over 2k short. The huntin fool podcast mentioned they heard it was the outfitter pool of elk tags causing the gap. Supposedly extras of those will be released Aug 1.
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Time to buy your tags before they sell out
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Well, I’m number 1876. This is wild
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I can't even sign in to get a number in line and the phone number beeps 3 times and disconnects hahaha what a CF!
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Oh man yeah! I figured it would be a mess. Signed on early. Said anyone after 8:45 would be out at back of the list and have to wait
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I'm reading already 6000 in line :chuckle:
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I’m #10,555 in line :bash:
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Got a lucky random number 797 & was able to buy the elk & deer tags I wanted. :tup: Don't really like this new system though. :bash:
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I was 9000+ in line with over an hour wait. Said screw em and backed out.
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Am number 10996 with 7500 other people in front of me.
Anybody able to get any tags yet?
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Idaho definitely made it interesting for nonres this year didn't they?
Am curious how many guys get turned off by having to wait in line with a random number on December 1st morning to hope to get the tag in the available quota for the unit they want....vs. skip Idaho and go to another state instead in 2022.
Will be interesting to watch....
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Idaho definitely made it interesting for nonres this year didn't they?
Am curious how many guys get turned off by having to wait in line with a random number on December 1st morning to hope to get the tag in the available quota for the unit they want....vs. skip Idaho and go to another state instead in 2022.
Will be interesting to watch....
You can put me down on the list that is skipping Idaho.
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I got a sawtooth elk tag and regular deer. I didn’t see where you pick what specific unit you wanted for deer though, I thought Idaho was making you pick this year?
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Be nice to see how many tags are left. With a over 6000 people in front of me.
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I was number 2650. Pioneer B was sold out. Diamond creek A had 10 tags left.
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Number 8551. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Good thing I had the day off. At his rate other states might be a better option for 2022 since I don't see myself requesting a day off just to wait in line next year.
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I got a sawtooth elk tag and regular deer. I didn’t see where you pick what specific unit you wanted for deer though, I thought Idaho was making you pick this year?
its a software glitch. You better call. Its happening to quite a few folks
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Anyone else lag out before purchasing their tag? It took me 5 minutes to get to the checkout screen then I lost my tag :/
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get ready for idaho to be draw only next year
this was most likely the last straw
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I got a sawtooth elk tag and regular deer. I didn’t see where you pick what specific unit you wanted for deer though, I thought Idaho was making you pick this year?
its a software glitch. You better call. Its happening to quite a few folks
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The line game is what is killing me more than anything. Could be my bad, but I assumed it would be a shotgun start at 10:00. Surprise! Just kidding back of the line..... :bash: :bash:
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I believe all the elk tags are sold out, statewide.
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Has anyone else noticed that the line isn’t moving anymore? Site crash?
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I went from 8 minutes out to more than an hour out in just the last couple minutes...
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Idaho definitely made it interesting for nonres this year didn't they?
Am curious how many guys get turned off by having to wait in line with a random number on December 1st morning to hope to get the tag in the available quota for the unit they want....vs. skip Idaho and go to another state instead in 2022.
Will be interesting to watch....
Thats me! :yeah:
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The line game is what is killing me more than anything. Could be my bad, but I assumed it would be a shotgun start at 10:00. Surprise! Just kidding back of the line..... :bash: :bash:
they told us to be early in several emails.
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Anyone else lag out before purchasing their tag? It took me 5 minutes to get to the checkout screen then I lost my tag :/
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Sam thing is happening to my hunting partners!!! What a screwed system!!! :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Mine is just spinning after I clicked add to cart, but it also didn’t say anything about which unit
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Anyone else lag out before purchasing their tag? It took me 5 minutes to get to the checkout screen then I lost my tag :/
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Sam thing is happening to my hunting partners!!! What a screwed system!!! :bash: :bash: :bash:
Glad its not just me!
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What a SHI* SHOW! New online sales site does not work. After it timed out, I got kicked out. Shopping cart dumped. :bash:
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Anyone else lag out before purchasing their tag? It took me 5 minutes to get to the checkout screen then I lost my tag :/
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Sam thing is happening to my hunting partners!!! What a screwed system!!! :bash: :bash: :bash:
Glad its not just me!
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This must be why we now have a message saying not to refresh your browser...
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I had one friend get his Idaho Panhandle B tag. Another friend who was just behind him in line had two Panhandle B tags left, added it to his cart and it just spun and then he lost the tag. He said it now shows all elk tags sold out statewide. Both of these were Non-resident DAVs.
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I had one friend get his Idaho Panhandle B tag. Another friend who was just behind him in line had two Panhandle B tags left, added it to his cart and it just spun and then he lost the tag. He said it now shows all elk tags sold out statewide. Both of these were Non-resident DAVs.
I kept getting stuck on the extra pop ups with stuff they wanted you to buy and verifying my address which I did three times today and once yesterday.
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The system is overloaded and glitching like crazy! like Blanchard posted you needed to log in early 15mins prior to be in a virtual waiting room. There was a 15min timer then it randomly selected what number you were in line. I got lucky and everything worked out for both the tags I was wanting... My best friend and hunting partner has had nothing but trouble and know he may not get a tag at all!
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Yeah being early didn’t help anything. Also not every firewall played nice with the google analytics they are using. Still waiting... hopeful but not as much as yesterday!
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Got my deer tag!!! Not sure why but it finally left me checkout
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Yeah being early didn’t help anything. Also not every firewall played nice with the google analytics they are using. Still waiting... hopeful but not as much as yesterday!
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I was early. Did me no good either.
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Decided to skip that sh show - little chance buddies would all get tags if they sold out early so let dust settle and see what happens. If my unit sells out I don’t want to go fight that crowd anyway!
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Same issue here, I had everything in cart, went to purchase, and it froze.
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worked smoothly for our group. we all got deer tags for the desired unit and two of the group snagged elk tags. figured the first go would be a mess so we all logged on early and made sure everything was set. sorry to see some of you having such bad issues
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Did you guys who didn't get your tags have to purchase your license first or was it letting you buy it all at the same time?
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:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Finally got thru and got a deer tag. Had to go with my second choice unit though.
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Did you guys who didn't get your tags have to purchase your license first or was it letting you buy it all at the same time?
Bought all at the same time
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#15120, with 8675 people ahead of me.
I doubt I will get to hunt Idaho this year...
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Just back back last night from deer hunting Idaho. Heck the season is still open there. Why do they have to do it so early??
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This is crazy.
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So glad I'm going to be a resident next year!
This is seriously a bummer...
We talked about quotas in business school. The queues caused by limited quotas are just another way that supply and demand meet. You are not paying with your pocket book, but you pay with your time. The actual cost of the tag is the dollar amount + the time you spend trying to get in before quotas run out. Yet another reason that prices would be the best way to regulate total sales. Supply and demand cannot be beat!
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Logged in 15 minutes early on the dot and still 6,351 in line. Lucked out and got my deer tag in my desired unit but not so lucky with the elk side of things. Deer only for me in Idaho next year unless controlled hunts treat me good. Good Luck Everyone!
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I'm number 15,768, not getting my hopes up for Idaho this year.
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I logged on at 9:50 and I was 1742 in line. Got my elk tag but it’s looking like the system screwed up my deer tag (didn’t give me the option to pick a unit).
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I got my deer tag I was number 7400 and some change and it took me two hours to get let in the website
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I'm surprised nobody has came up with a service where they do the application for you, logging in early and waiting for a fee. I know there are some services in cities, especially overseas where you can hire people to wait for you.
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I was 7341 and just got in a few minutes ago. Its slow but there's still like 95% of units still available. Thousands of tags left.
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Logged in at 9:45. Waited patiently for an hour. No indication of anything happening.
Decided to prod things and touch the “Make a Purchase “ button, only to find out I’d been logged off. Beyond pissed off. Logged back in at number 7,000 in line. Hours more to go.
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Just got my tags in my zone and unit. :IBCOOL:
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I was 2416 and completed with 12 seconds left! Website kept freezing and having to start over a couple times, boy was that stressful! Was able to get my elk and deer tag :tup: Good luck to those still in line!
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System worked for me and I was able to purchase my preferred unit. Sounds like there were some nightmares before me.
I was number 6967 in line.
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I was 7341 and just got in a few minutes ago. Its slow but there's still like 95% of units still available. Thousands of tags left.
Screwed up for what I can tell. NonResi disabled elk says add to cart but all units are grayed out/sold out..Not sure why it’s an option to add to cart?
Deer says sold out so no option. What am I missing?
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So will NR be able to apply for controlled deer and elk?
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What a chit show! You have to count on your buddy getting a tag as well, with this mess too bad you can’t add a buddy on your purchase. Man hunting is getting frustrating
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I logged on at 9:02 PST and just got my deer tag. Was number 9649 and waited in the virtual "line" for 2 hours and 45 minutes. Crazy.
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So will NR be able to apply for controlled deer and elk?
yes. You'll just have to return your general tag for your CH tag if you draw.
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So will NR be able to apply for controlled deer and elk?
yes. You'll just have to return your general tag for your CH tag if you draw.
But if you didn’t get a tag today then you’re SOL right?
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So will NR be able to apply for controlled deer and elk?
yes. You'll just have to return your general tag for your CH tag if you draw.
But if you didn’t get a tag today then you’re SOL right?
no you can definitely still apply for controlled hunts. You'd still need to purchase your license to apply though
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The line is speeding up. Unfortunately, I think that may mean that people are just logging off due to all the tags being sold out.
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I was 7595 and it took me 2 hours but I got a deer tag.
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I take it whitetail only tags are gone? Not an option under tags?
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I take it whitetail only tags are gone? Not an option under tags?
Lots left for regular non resident
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I was 7341 and just got in a few minutes ago. Its slow but there's still like 95% of units still available. Thousands of tags left.
Screwed up for what I can tell. NonResi disabled elk says add to cart but all units are grayed out/sold out..Not sure why it’s an option to add to cart?
Deer says sold out so no option. What am I missing?
I called the fish and game department for my buddy while he was online trying to purchase his tags. It wasn't giving him access to any non-resident disabled veteran. She said that there was only so many of those tags available and he would have to purchase a standard non-resident tag but because he did Auto renewal for his deer lic it wouldn't even give him the option of purchasing a NR lic. She also said the tag he wanted was already sold period so he would have to pic a different tag. Other friends had already got their tag so he bagged it. Very frustrating.
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wondering if there will be a lot of returns this year due to only part of a group getting their tags. my guess is idaho goes to a general draw soon, this doesn't seem sustainable
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General tag dates suck for whitetails in our unit, not to mention conflict with other states. Oh well, hopefully they go to a drawing next year. Old man was behind me in line too, would suck to have only a portion of the group get tags.
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They are going thru 300/minute now so must be
Mostly sold out?
Very impressed they have a line and status vs just dead space for hours.
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I was 7341 and just got in a few minutes ago. Its slow but there's still like 95% of units still available. Thousands of tags left.
Screwed up for what I can tell. NonResi disabled elk says add to cart but all units are grayed out/sold out..Not sure why it’s an option to add to cart?
Deer says sold out so no option. What am I missing?
I called the fish and game department for my buddy while he was online trying to purchase his tags. It wasn't giving him access to any non-resident disabled veteran. She said that there was only so many of those tags available and he would have to purchase a standard non-resident tag but because he did Auto renewal for his deer lic it wouldn't even give him the option of purchasing a NR lic. She also said the tag he wanted was already sold period so he would have to pic a different tag. Other friends had already got their tag so he bagged it. Very frustrating.
I had no problem purchasing my DAV license, archery and muzzleloader permit. DAV deer tags were marked red/sold out so you couldn’t click on them. But then and now the DAV elk tags give the option to add to cart but once you do, all zones are grayed out/sold out. Curious why the add to cart in that category is even an option if all sold out.
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DAV Elk tags
same here. :bash:
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DAV Elk tags
same here. :bash:
I feel ya and thanks for your service
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I got a DAV deer and DAV elk tag. I didn’t get the option to pick my deer unit. Just waited and got back in and no option to fix it. Does anybody know if the DAV tags ads still the same like last year? Just a general deer tag where you don’t pick a unit?
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Whitetail tags were still available, didn't show on phone for some reason... Went back through on desktop and fortunately a couple were left!
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Just Got thru, lots of tags left deer and elk in area I usually go, but $1350 cost decided to maybe skip Idaho for Utah and Montana this year........
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I waited, primarily as I was curious to see what the tag situation looked like after the big rush to buy (not planning to hunt ID deer/elk this year).
At 12:49pm, I got into the system less than one minute wait. There are non-resident elk tags available to add to my cart. But zero deer tags of any kind showing up on the screen.
Just FYI for others for future years.....nonresident deer tags sold out before 1pm on December 1st.
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I waited, primarily as I was curious to see what the tag situation looked like after the big rush to buy (not planning to hunt ID deer/elk this year).
At 12:49pm, I got into the system less than one minute wait. There are non-resident elk tags available to add to my cart. But zero deer tags of any kind showing up on the screen.
Just FYI for others for future years.....nonresident deer tags sold out before 1pm on December 1st.
I went back in 15 minutes ago to check for another member and got in under 30 seconds.
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The wait is now over. Its super quick.
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I finally got in at 12:37 PM Pacific time. Against all odds, got a nonresident whitetail tag for my preferred unit and an A tag for elk, also in my local unit. I was biting my nails and pulling my hair, for sure, though!
(The lady glanced over my shoulder just as I was checking out... she had some non-negotiable demands when she saw the final price... :chuckle:)
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Looks like lots of deer tags left unless they haven't updated yet.
https://idfg.idaho.gov/tag/quotas/nonresident/deer
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Can't go by that link Sitka, gotta be in the licensing site and actually click on the tag itself to see what's left available brother.
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The wait is now over. Its super quick.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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The wait is now over. Its super quick.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Yaaaaaaa, quick like molasses poured through a long cold funnel...…….
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Waited all morning to get put into the line. Got number 5900 and smoothing. Waited for over an hour to be next in line. Site crashed and had to go back in. DAV tags still showed available, once the site got done loading it showed them as sold out. I put the other stuff in my cart and the site would not allow my card to process and it kicked the tags back out. So, lost out on my DAV ELK tag and had to pay normal non-res price for a tag. Pretty :bash: :bash: :bash:
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What is "DAV"?
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No line now, can get right on.....
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What is "DAV"?
Disabled American Veteran
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Waited all morning to get put into the line. Got number 5900 and smoothing. Waited for over an hour to be next in line. Site crashed and had to go back in. DAV tags still showed available, once the site got done loading it showed them as sold out. I put the other stuff in my cart and the site would not allow my card to process and it kicked the tags back out. So, lost out on my DAV ELK tag and had to pay normal non-res price for a tag. Pretty :bash: :bash: :bash:
Ya, me too. I logged in on one of my screens around 0830, thought I was the cat's arse getting in/logging on so early. Kicked off the site right before 0900. Logged back in a bit after 0900 and received the prize of the low number of 10,366..... didn't get the "you're up" till around 1130ish. Deer tags, sold out, elk tags, sold out. Went ahead and paid regular price for an elk tag. Heck, I don't mind all that much. Onward to the spud state for yet another elk hunt! Me thinks (God willing and the creeks don't rise), I'll forgo the Idaho license drama next year and use my pref points in the cowboy state.
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Are guys showing regular deer tags sold out? Just walked a friend through it and there was lots left :dunno:
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Are guys showing regular deer tags sold out? Just walked a friend through it and there was lots left :dunno:
No just all DAV tags
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Are guys showing regular deer tags sold out? Just walked a friend through it and there was lots left :dunno:
No just all DAV tags
ah gotcha. I know earlier it wasn't showing for guys but then magically popped back up as an option
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Crazy.
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Waited all morning to get put into the line. Got number 5900 and smoothing. Waited for over an hour to be next in line. Site crashed and had to go back in. DAV tags still showed available, once the site got done loading it showed them as sold out. I put the other stuff in my cart and the site would not allow my card to process and it kicked the tags back out. So, lost out on my DAV ELK tag and had to pay normal non-res price for a tag. Pretty :bash: :bash: :bash:
Same here Cory :bash:
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What I know is this:
1) This system sucks. Servers are too slow and you time out before it can catch up and you lose everything. Not to mention the multiple crashes.
2) For DAV tags there should be a completely separate process. It was such an amazing opportunity that Idaho was giving to veterans and they cut it really deep. It is a real kick in the knockers bud.
Sadly it looks like all the tags are going to sell out and the Idaho will have made good on their gamble that people would pay these super new high fees. I don't expect anything to change for the better for next year.
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I talked to a few buddies from Idaho today, they all said, "wow that was crazy!!! the site is completely different this year!" That tells me most of Idaho was trying to log in as well just to check out the "chaos" this morning which helped further crash the site!!! So aside from all of the non-residents trying to purchase tags, you had all these looky-loo residents bombarding the site just to see whats going on.
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This year all of the DAV tags are in the same pool as the Junior mentored tags which I couldn't buy either.
Had to pay full price.
I have a feeling Idaho's phones will be ringing......
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This year all of the DAV tags are in the same pool as the Junior mentored tags which I couldn't buy either.
Had to pay full price.
I have a feeling Idaho's phones will be ringing......
:chuckle:
Kind of funny....After I got in after 2.5 hours online I questioned the DAV elk tags, waited on hold for about 30 minutes and chose the option to have them call me instead of waiting on hold without losing my place in line. That was at 1121 with no call back as of yet.
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I didn't realize how many disabled vets we had on this site. Thanks to you all
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Question: Is one to assume the same regulations?
I am looking at a unit that is typically white tail but for a controlled hunt drawing, however said unit has few general deer tags. But then also has like over 200 WT tags. Would the general tag still only be good for whitetail?
Maybe its good for whitetail during any weapon and mule deer for archery?
Newer to ID hunting and regs btw.
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That all depends on the unit. Most whitetail areas in central Idaho you can only hunt whitetails until November 3rd if you have a general deer tag where you can hunt until November 20th or December 1st with a whitetail tag. This is also a season setting year so there’s potential for things to change.
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I'm still a bit surprised how fast things sold. One thing is clear, nonresidents just demonstrated the price increases had no negative effect on demand...at this pace I cant imagine elk tags less than 1k and deer tags less than 600 in the very near future for Idaho. Supply and demand.
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Did deer tags sell out too or just elk?
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Some units/zones have sold out for both, but still many tags left.
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Just got my callback from 1130. “DAV sold out quick and not sure why the website still shows available for elk” and “the process has been nothing but issues today”. Oh well, lots of you got the supply and hoping for many successful stories next year!
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Cool thanks for the info
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Question, do you have to have a hunting license before you can buy a controlled hunt app or can you apply for controlled hunts without a hunting license? I haven't tried that route without buying OTC tags in the past.
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Logged on about 10:30 this morning, had 9,000 something people in front of me, waited a couple hrs and got my deer tag.
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I also missed out on the DAV tags unfortunately but I may have found a small positive out of the situation.
"This change affects only nonresident DAV tags, so availability of resident DAV tags remains unchanged. If reduced-price nonresident DAV tags sell out, nonresident disabled American veteran hunters can still buy an adult nonresident tag at full price. They may also apply for controlled hunts, and if they draw, they can purchase the tag at the reduced price. "
If I'm reading that right, we can still apply for controlled hunts and only pay the DAV rate if we end up getting drawn. At least there is still some hope! :dunno:
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Have to buy a hunting license in order to put in for the draw. Same thing you have to do when putting in for draws in Oregon.
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I bought my license and whitetail tag but how do I get my youth a lic and tag? Can't figure it out.
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I bought my license and whitetail tag but how do I get my youth a lic and tag? Can't figure it out.
My guess is the new website/license company bases your options from your prior profile.
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I have a mentored(youth) tag for my son in my cart but it is not asking me to select a unit. Does that mean he can hunt any open unit?
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Yes. Youth tags are not unit specific is my understanding
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No only the unit you have.
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Or I should say his tag is good for the unit tag the mentor has.
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I figured out that I had to create his own account then buy his lic and tag. But since it doesn't count toward the hunt quota should I save the money and buy it next year?
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Did deer tags sell out too or just elk?
My group just bought our deer tags like 5 minutes ago and there were almost 2K elk tags left and several thousand deer tags available. The usual elk tags are sold out and so are some of the more sought after deer units, but there are still plenty of tags available for guys that are looking for a decent opportunity. :twocents:
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I could not buy my 14 year old the junior mentor tags and license like I did last year. Not sure but it wouldn't let me and due to the timer I just said screw it and paid full price. Be interested in hearing what they have to say about it tomorrow.
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I could not buy my 14 year old the junior mentor tags and license like I did last year. Not sure but it wouldn't let me and due to the timer I just said screw it and paid full price. Be interested in hearing what they have to say about it tomorrow.
I had to create him an account and it automatically recognized that he was a jr hunter and gave seperate jr options. I had to make 2 transactions 1 for me and 1 for him.
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Just got a call at 8:25 pm fr ID Licensing. I was successful in buying a DAV White-tail tag today. In fact, I was one of the first tags purchased. I explained the system didn't ask me to pick a unit. The worker told me that was how the DAV/mentor deer tags are working but suggested I double-check with the regional office that handles the unit I will be hunting.
Still sounds a little confusing but the tag is on my ID profile & charges on my CC.
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I wonder if Idaho was working the panic buying angle or if it just worked out for them...
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I’m planning to call IDF&G tomorrow but I’m curious if anybody here received an email (their regular emails every mth or so) that spoke of a mentoring program other than the jr. program?
I searched their website as well as the most recent big game regs AND the hunter safety site and found nothing outside of their jr. mentoring program.
My 25 yr old son was with me in Idaho for his first archery elk hunt as my eyes and ears ( his back helped too over our 10.5 mile packout😜) and is now solidly hooked...
I’ve told him in no uncertain terms he needs to get on the ball and get his hunters safety cert ASAP or he might be tagging along like last year...
Any of you have any knowledge you’d like to share that I couldn’t find on my own....would be much appreciated!
Good luck on getting your tags!
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I find it off that Idaho doesn't require proof of a mentor before selling the tag. I specifically asked IDFG this question a few years ago to make sure and they confirmed.
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So will NR be able to apply for controlled deer and elk?
yes. You'll just have to return your general tag for your CH tag if you draw.
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I wonder if Idaho was working the panic buying angle or if it just worked out for them...
I think Idaho knew exactly what they were doing...20,000 pissed off customers that will be demanding a fair chance at a tag....Idaho will gladly turn into a draw state and begin the downward slope of points and focusing on revenue generation instead of OTC hunting...and now they will even have nonresidential support after this... win win for Idaho...bag of turds for the average Joe
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I’m planning to call IDF&G tomorrow but I’m curious if anybody here received an email (their regular emails every mth or so) that spoke of a mentoring program other than the jr. program?
I searched their website as well as the most recent big game regs AND the hunter safety site and found nothing outside of their jr. mentoring program.
My 25 yr old son was with me in Idaho for his first archery elk hunt as my eyes and ears ( his back helped too over our 10.5 mile packout😜) and is now solidly hooked...
I’ve told him in no uncertain terms he needs to get on the ball and get his hunters safety cert ASAP or he might be tagging along like last year...
Any of you have any knowledge you’d like to share that I couldn’t find on my own....would be much appreciated!
Good luck on getting your tags!
They have the hunting passport which is good for 1 year and a once per lifetime deal but I believe it may be a resident only program as the passport is only like $2 or something like that
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I talked to a few buddies from Idaho today, they all said, "wow that was crazy!!! the site is completely different this year!" That tells me most of Idaho was trying to log in as well just to check out the "chaos" this morning which helped further crash the site!!! So aside from all of the non-residents trying to purchase tags, you had all these looky-loo residents bombarding the site just to see whats going on.
Today is also the 1st day residents are allowed to buy licenses for the 2021 seasons including waterfowl, wolf, mountain lion, or coyote hunting right away in January and fishing too. Our licenses expire December 31 so maybe your buddies were just trying to be prepared. I went on to buy my sportsman’s package and ended up in a 30 minute queue
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My buddy got his Deer and Elk for his areas and he was on at 10 AM. I couldn't get on at 10 am, work was crazy yesterday. I got on line at 7 PM and got a Deer tag ( I see they are gone as of 4:30 this morning) I knew Elk tags would be gone where I wanted to go and they were. There a few Elk tags left around the state just not sure if I am going to pull the trigger. I dont like or dont know any of the areas that are left
Good job and good luck to all who got their tags in time
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I'm curious if Idaho will sell out or not. Might be people who say if I can't get the units I want, then I won't hunt there this year. And with the higher prices are they willing to try areas they don't want? Guess we'll see.
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Some interesting points for those who haven't looked.
The line was at 22,000 people who have waited for some period of time in the middle of the day yesterday.
Today they have 6,606 tags remaining of 12,815 Quota Available for Zone Elk A & B Tag. Interestingly, when I add up the quota I get 11,724 Quota Available. I wonder if the difference is the outfitter tags? That would seem about right. This doesnt seem out of sync with previous years, but their little quota game sure scared the socks off of people.
For deer tags, they have 7,500 left this morning on the 14,000 quota. Sure some units are sold out, but there are plenty that are not.
I really think Idaho should've focused on the specific areas that had problems with quotas (like they have elsewhere) and let the rest self-regulate. Heck, even WA doesn't make you pick a specific unit for deer or elk!
I sincerely hope they do not sell out.
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I was curious how the price increases, and additional restrictions, would play out.
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I'm curious if Idaho will sell out or not. Might be people who say if I can't get the units I want, then I won't hunt there this year. And with the higher prices are they willing to try areas they don't want? Guess we'll see.
I got to the checkout and saw $1300 times 2 and decided forget it I will do something different this year !
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It kept me out of the game. That’s after buying 5 Idaho tags last year. I wanted to do something but I didn’t have a for sure plan in place yet. I almost panic-bought a couple different times but ultimately said screw it. I think at last years prices I would have pulled the trigger on a “just in case” tag
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It kept me out of the game. That’s after buying 5 Idaho tags last year. I wanted to do something but I didn’t have a for sure plan in place yet. I almost panic-bought a couple different times but ultimately said screw it. I think at last years prices I would have pulled the trigger on a “just in case” tag
Ya, I know others as well, same thoughts.
So I guess its working?
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Doesn't matter to Idaho.
Due to the price increases they have already made the same amount of money selling less tags.
The price you can get is the price someone is willing to pay.
Soon only the rich will hunt just like the other over populated country's.
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Doesn't matter to Idaho.
Due to the price increases they have already made the same amount of money selling less tags.
The price you can get is the price someone is willing to pay.
Soon only the rich will hunt just like the other over populated country's.
I ain't rich, I just sacrifice.
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I'm not hunting Idaho next year on higher non res prices and being limited to a specific unit. More room for others I guess and hopefully it improves the hunting for them.
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Doesn't matter to Idaho.
Due to the price increases they have already made the same amount of money selling less tags.
The price you can get is the price someone is willing to pay.
Soon only the rich will hunt just like the other over populated country's.
:yeah: I was lined up to buy. I was logged in and in the queue before go time. By the time it was my chance, all deer and elk tags in my area were gone. I know there are lots of tags available in other places, but I really have no interest in spending that kind of money to go explore when I know where the animals are in my area. Actually left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. The part that made the most upset is that I won't get to go elk hunting in familiar ground with my Dad. He's only got so many opening days left, and now we're left trying to figure out WTF to do, and where to go.
That's just me venting, everyone had the same opportunity, we just logged on 30 seconds to late I guess.
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Doesn't matter to Idaho.
Due to the price increases they have already made the same amount of money selling less tags.
The price you can get is the price someone is willing to pay.
Soon only the rich will hunt just like the other over populated country's.
I ain't rich, I just sacrifice.
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This was not directed at you.
Just a statement that I believe will prove to be true over the years.
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Doesn't matter to Idaho.
Due to the price increases they have already made the same amount of money selling less tags.
The price you can get is the price someone is willing to pay.
Soon only the rich will hunt just like the other over populated country's.
:yeah: I was lined up to buy. I was logged in and in the queue before go time. By the time it was my chance, all deer and elk tags in my area were gone. I know there are lots of tags available in other places, but I really have no interest in spending that kind of money to go explore when I know where the animals are in my area. Actually left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. The part that made the most upset is that I won't get to go elk hunting in familiar ground with my Dad. He's only got so many opening days left, and now we're left trying to figure out WTF to do, and where to go.
That's just me venting, everyone had the same opportunity, we just logged on 30 seconds to late I guess.
This really bums me out.
I'm sincerely sorry to those that didn't get tags.
It's BS.
I hope the state doesn't ask the feds for a single dollar to manage their animals but we know BLM and the USFS will still continue to do so.
They aren't JUST the state of Idaho's animals IMHO.
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So sincere question to those upset. Why is what idaho is doing so grossly offensive but its fine in basically every other western state for basically the exact same money? And for those put off by the price, where you gonna go hunt for less money? There are still THOUSANDS of tags available in idaho that you can just hop online and buy. Theres deer and elk in every unit available just waiting to be hunted. When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say "man I'm glad I hunted less and saved that $90 on an idaho deer tag and license". Food for thought.
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So sincere question to those upset. Why is what idaho is doing so grossly offensive but its fine in basically every other western state for basically the exact same money? And for those put off by the price, where you gonna go hunt for less money? There are still THOUSANDS of tags available in idaho that you can just hop online and buy. Theres deer and elk in every unit available just waiting to be hunted. When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say "man I'm glad I hunted less and saved that $90 on an idaho deer tag and license". Food for thought.
I have no skin in the game but for me, the biggest downside was having to pick a single unit. I have hunted a few areas in Idaho over the years but not sure which one I would go back to if I was to hunt. I feel for the guys that have a unit they have hunted for years that got sold out before they could buy or also for the guy that has never hunted Idaho and just needs to choose a random unit. The price, for me at least, doesn't really matter since I pay a stupid amount on tags in other states anyway. :twocents:
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So sincere question to those upset. Why is what idaho is doing so grossly offensive but its fine in basically every other western state for basically the exact same money? And for those put off by the price, where you gonna go hunt for less money? There are still THOUSANDS of tags available in idaho that you can just hop online and buy. Theres deer and elk in every unit available just waiting to be hunted. When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say "man I'm glad I hunted less and saved that $90 on an idaho deer tag and license". Food for thought.
It's not saving $90, it's spending nearly $1200 for a license, deer and elk tag, per person. And it's all the other related expenses for many people to travel out to Idaho as well. There's other units available, but that's a big investment without knowing the area if they haven't been to those units, if they even want to hunt those units. Maybe people will pay the extra money and/or hunt units they don't want. Or maybe it'll become a trip every other year, or just not at all anymore. This year especially with millions still out of work.
"When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say 'man I'm glad I hunted'" more and spent that $1200 on an idaho license, deer and elk tag for a unit I didn't even know and jeopardized my families finances since I wasn't even working at the time. Food for thought.
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So sincere question to those upset. Why is what idaho is doing so grossly offensive but its fine in basically every other western state for basically the exact same money? And for those put off by the price, where you gonna go hunt for less money? There are still THOUSANDS of tags available in idaho that you can just hop online and buy. Theres deer and elk in every unit available just waiting to be hunted. When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say "man I'm glad I hunted less and saved that $90 on an idaho deer tag and license". Food for thought.
I'm past the upset part :chuckle: A fifth of pendleton and 4 am frozen run to clear the the hangover off before work got it out of my sytem :chuckle:
I am not upset at the increase in price. I get it, its business and raising the price to market is smart business. They should have gone up more IMO. Two things upset me, they created urgency for no other reason than to ensure there risk of raising cost was not a bust. Capping all the zones and units created a sense of urgency causing a flood of buyers that IMO would have been prevented had they rolled out a simple cost increase. Or they could have rolled out a draw for very popular units, or rolled out in stages, to limit impacts for folks. Lots of options.
The bigger issue is I see it as a first step. I have always held IDFG as an "ideal" standard for game departments. Given their funding mechanisms they will never be able to go to a simple draw like many western states IMO. Very few will enter a draw for deer and elk at 1300 dollar price tag. This move of capping zones in this way without a draw essentially removed their reason to manage game, and began managing hunters. Welcome the new WDFW.
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So sincere question to those upset. Why is what idaho is doing so grossly offensive but its fine in basically every other western state for basically the exact same money? And for those put off by the price, where you gonna go hunt for less money? There are still THOUSANDS of tags available in idaho that you can just hop online and buy. Theres deer and elk in every unit available just waiting to be hunted. When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say "man I'm glad I hunted less and saved that $90 on an idaho deer tag and license". Food for thought.
I'm past the upset part :chuckle: A fifth of pendleton and 4 am frozen run to clear the the hangover off before work got it out of my sytem :chuckle:
I am not upset at the increase in price. I get it, its business and raising the price to market is smart business. They should have gone up more IMO. Two things upset me, they created urgency for no other reason than to ensure there risk of raising cost was not a bust. Capping all the zones and units created a sense of urgency causing a flood of buyers that IMO would have been prevented had they rolled out a simple cost increase. Or they could have rolled out a draw for very popular units, or rolled out in stages, to limit impacts for folks. Lots of options.
The bigger issue is I see it as a first step. I have always held IDFG as an "ideal" standard for game departments. Given their funding mechanisms they will never be able to go to a simple draw like many western states IMO. Very few will enter a draw for deer and elk at 1300 dollar price tag. This move of capping zones in this way without a draw essentially removed their reason to manage game, and began managing hunters. Welcome the new WDFW.
Equating WDFW and IDFG is ridiculous. Let's face the fact that Idaho is primarily concerned with its own resident hunters, as it should be. Yet, it's still offering more opportunity than almost any other western state for non-residents. The rage is created by losing the unparalleled opportunity Idaho has been giving non-residents.
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Price increases are expected and don't bother me.
Unit choice sux
I've been hunting Idaho since 98 and the ability to go over at different times of the year and explore different area's was a huge bonus. I spend several weekends a year in idaho during hunting seasons which equates to spending money throughout the year. We didn't rush to buy kinda waiting to see how things shake out. Still have some options in area's we are familiar with so will see.
One aspect is I talked to a small store owner over there recently. I asked about the prospect of loosing business during hunting season. They estimated they might loose well over 1000 customers during Oct/ Nov because of reduced tag numbers. Guess time will tell.
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I just hope Karl isn't laying on his bed next year and can actually hunt like he likes.
Been a rough couple years on 2 wheels for that bugger. LOL
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"I'm past the upset part :chuckle: A fifth of pendleton and 4 am frozen run to clear the the hangover off before work got it out of my sytem :chuckle:"
Now it all makes sense. LOL
Just grab the rifle my friend.
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So sincere question to those upset. Why is what idaho is doing so grossly offensive but its fine in basically every other western state for basically the exact same money? And for those put off by the price, where you gonna go hunt for less money? There are still THOUSANDS of tags available in idaho that you can just hop online and buy. Theres deer and elk in every unit available just waiting to be hunted. When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say "man I'm glad I hunted less and saved that $90 on an idaho deer tag and license". Food for thought.
It's not saving $90, it's spending nearly $1200 for a license, deer and elk tag, per person. And it's all the other related expenses for many people to travel out to Idaho as well. There's other units available, but that's a big investment without knowing the area if they haven't been to those units, if they even want to hunt those units. Maybe people will pay the extra money and/or hunt units they don't want. Or maybe it'll become a trip every other year, or just not at all anymore. This year especially with millions still out of work.
"When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say 'man I'm glad I hunted'" more and spent that $1200 on an idaho license, deer and elk tag for a unit I didn't even know and jeopardized my families finances since I wasn't even working at the time. Food for thought.
thats a bit of a stretch don't you think? If an out of state tag is gonna bankrupt the family then you're probably not planning that trip to begin with. And like I asked, name a state that isn't $1100+ for a deer and elk tag.
A new unit is a new unit. Nobody thinks twice about it when heading to (insert any western state with quotas) but all of a sudden its the end of the world in Idaho? A person's favorite unit in idaho was once a new unit to them as well and somehow they figured it out.
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So are you implying that when the buffalo reach the cliff they don't need to jump off?
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I just hope Karl isn't laying on his bed next year and can actually hunt like he likes.
Been a rough couple years on 2 wheels for that bugger. LOL
haha! I'm surviving. 5 deer in the last two weeks has left me with a pretty sore hand 8)
So are you implying that when the buffalo reach the cliff they don't need to jump off?
what I'm trying to convey is that there's still no better value in the west than idaho. Most states are as expensive or more expensive, are on draw systems, and have quotas. All this "im going somewhere else" talk doesn't add up when you compare apples to apples. When presented with an obstacle you have a few choices. First is sit back and complain and remain stagnant. Second is find a new path and keep moving forward.....
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I got a tag, hunting a brand new unit i've never been to and look forward to learning a new area. Totally worth the money to get a chance at hunting mulies in Nov. Over the counter tags are going away in my opinion, got to make the most out of what we got while the opportunity is still here.
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I don't think they really knew what they were doing. How do they know the exact quantity of "resident participation" in each deer unit? They have some idea due to self reporting, but they have no idea in reality. They're about to find out which deer units are worth the extra $50 and which were never worth the original.
I sincerely hope that they do not sell out of either deer or elk tags and that residents get the chance they've been waiting for to buy a second. So many of the message boards indicate that those folks want to, but lets see what happens when the rubber meets the road.
It was not many years ago when they couldn't sell their elk tags for $299 each, to anyone. I bought a second one in 2015 in November.
Regardless, this is a lesson for everyone, Idaho included. This will not be the final version, this is a learning experience.
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For the millions out of work, not being able to afford it isn't a stretch at all, it's a fact for many.
Not everyone can hunt out of state to begin with, so who cares who isn't $1100. Many can't afford it, so they don't. For those who can it might be time to go to a different state since they all cost about the same anyway.
A new unit can simply be a new unit, but not for those who have hunted one area for years on end. For those who once upon a time hunted a new unit, they didn't have to with prices this high. And for those that can't simply get there in less than a days drive scouting prior to the season may not be an option. Big gamble. And again, new unit with the same money, why choose Idaho instead of any of the other states?
For one person it's a $315 increase. For a family of three, almost $1000 difference. Then add in the one unit restriction. And Covid related loss of wages. And having to pay right now or you won't get a unit you want, if you were able to get it at all. Will they even be able to get that time off, guaranteed, from work if they are working? It all makes a difference.
If you want to great. I'm just saying I think it will result in many people saying no thanks, or not this year.
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Imagine the upcoming stress this will put across the boarder on Montana.
Reminds me of when they quit planting fish on the Cowlitz.
Every river went down with a sea of aluminum.
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So sincere question to those upset. Why is what idaho is doing so grossly offensive but its fine in basically every other western state for basically the exact same money? And for those put off by the price, where you gonna go hunt for less money? There are still THOUSANDS of tags available in idaho that you can just hop online and buy. Theres deer and elk in every unit available just waiting to be hunted. When laying on your death bed will you look back on your life and say "man I'm glad I hunted less and saved that $90 on an idaho deer tag and license". Food for thought.
:yeah: hey! Quit inserting common sense into this conversation :chuckle:thats how I see it Idaho’s just now moving to prices similar to other western states and even with the unit choice still only good state you can hunt otc every year! Is a great draw tag in Arizona, Utah, etc. better? Yes but enjoy paying for that tag every year in the draw for 5-29 years until you finally get the privilege to buy a tag at 1200 bucks. I have no problem with out of state hunters because when I go to Montana I are one every year. :chuckle:This whining is bullsh#t Idaho is fairly priced and provides way more opportunities than other western states. Does anyone get to hunt the same draw unit in other western states every year ? No. I have a feeling they will change the unit choice thing and make it more user friendly. Idaho’s problem is NEW resident hunters and we will eventually have to go draw for everyone in more units then eventually for everything. Enjoy it while you can Idaho will become a draw state where you get a tag every 2-5 years with everyone moving here.
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For the millions out of work, not being able to afford it isn't a stretch at all, it's a fact for many.
Not everyone can hunt out of state to begin with, so who cares who isn't $1100. Many can't afford it, so they don't. For those who can it might be time to go to a different state since they all cost about the same anyway.
A new unit can simply be a new unit, but not for those who have hunted one area for years on end. For those who once upon a time hunted a new unit, they didn't have to with prices this high. And for those that can't simply get there in less than a days drive scouting prior to the season may not be an option. Big gamble. And again, new unit with the same money, why choose Idaho instead of any of the other states?
For one person it's a $315 increase. For a family of three, almost $1000 difference. Then add in the one unit restriction. And Covid related loss of wages. And having to pay right now or you won't get a unit you want, if you were able to get it at all. Will they even be able to get that time off, guaranteed, from work if they are working? It all makes a difference.
If you want to great. I'm just saying I think it will result in many people saying no thanks, or not this year.
I get that but thats not idaho's fault. Those problems will exist regardless of which state someone chooses. Upset with idaho so gonna go somewhere else. Where? WY? CO? MT? NM? AZ? OR? NV? UT? All will be new units. Most will take preference points. Most you won't be able to get deer and elk in the same unit and all except oregon archery will be a draw a draw system for single units.
I hate change as much or more as the next guy but my point will be and will always be.....find a new way. I hunt lots because I hustle hard to stay out ahead of this stuff and always have a plan. Thats gets you hunts. Throwing your hands up and shouting poor me will find a guy on the couch looking at everyone else's success on huntwa.
Thats a metaphorical "you", not a you specifically taco. I just want everyone to change the way they look at obstacles. Its always easier to go negative but its seldom the right approach :twocents:
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If a couple hundred bucks stretches someone too far financially.....maybe theyre living beyond their means? An out of state hunt is something to do if you have extra money you can put towards it. If youve been laid off all year and stretched thin on $, don't spend 2-3k on an out of state hunting trip. Use some common sense.
I can maybe see some of the other point of views for grumbling but not the $ side. Similar to what Karl said, Idaho is still a better value than other states.
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I really think Idaho should've focused on the specific areas that had problems with quotas (like they have elsewhere) and let the rest self-regulate. Heck, even WA doesn't make you pick a specific unit for deer or elk!
I sincerely hope they do not sell out.
Maybe they are trying to avoid turning into what Washington already is?
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For the millions out of work, not being able to afford it isn't a stretch at all, it's a fact for many.
Not everyone can hunt out of state to begin with, so who cares who isn't $1100. Many can't afford it, so they don't. For those who can it might be time to go to a different state since they all cost about the same anyway.
A new unit can simply be a new unit, but not for those who have hunted one area for years on end. For those who once upon a time hunted a new unit, they didn't have to with prices this high. And for those that can't simply get there in less than a days drive scouting prior to the season may not be an option. Big gamble. And again, new unit with the same money, why choose Idaho instead of any of the other states?
For one person it's a $315 increase. For a family of three, almost $1000 difference. Then add in the one unit restriction. And Covid related loss of wages. And having to pay right now or you won't get a unit you want, if you were able to get it at all. Will they even be able to get that time off, guaranteed, from work if they are working? It all makes a difference.
If you want to great. I'm just saying I think it will result in many people saying no thanks, or not this year.
I get that but thats not idaho's fault. Those problems will exist regardless of which state someone chooses. Upset with idaho so gonna go somewhere else. Where? WY? CO? MT? NM? AZ? OR? NV? UT? All will be new units. Most will take preference points. Most you won't be able to get deer and elk in the same unit and all except oregon archery will be a draw a draw system for single units.
I hate change as much or more as the next guy but my point will be and will always be.....find a new way. I hunt lots because I hustle hard to stay out ahead of this stuff and always have a plan. Thats gets you hunts. Throwing your hands up and shouting poor me will find a guy on the couch looking at everyone else's success on huntwa.
Thats a metaphorical "you", not a you specifically taco. I just want everyone to change the way they look at obstacles. Its always easier to go negative but its seldom the right approach :twocents:
Agree with Karl here.
I'm planning on hunting multiple states this year and have priorities set in my life and have hustled to provide funds for my hunting budget. I could have been laid off in October if I chose to but I'm still working because extra money will give me the funds to be able to hunt multiple states! I'm not rich, but if it means prioritizing my budget so be it!
Extra money can always be made in a months work of side work. How bad do you want it?
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I don't think the issue is the extra money as much as the fact that you have to buy your tag on December 1st for the following year. No other state makes you plan that far ahead. I apply in Wyoming every year for deer and antelope and I have until the end of May to make my plans and send in my money.
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I really think Idaho should've focused on the specific areas that had problems with quotas (like they have elsewhere) and let the rest self-regulate. Heck, even WA doesn't make you pick a specific unit for deer or elk!
I sincerely hope they do not sell out.
Maybe they are trying to avoid turning into what Washington already is?
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Hopefully next step for Idaho is banning harvest of antlerless deer on general and white tail tags except for youth, disabled, and elderly!
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I don't think the issue is the extra money as much as the fact that you have to buy your tag on December 1st for the following year. No other state makes you plan that far ahead. I apply in Wyoming every year for deer and antelope and I have until the end of May to make my plans and send in my money.
money has been brought up multiple times which is why it was argued..
Idaho tags always go on sale in Dec. Thats not new. Whats new is people now having to prioritize idaho instead of treating her like a side piece.
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I don't think they really knew what they were doing. How do they know the exact quantity of "resident participation" in each deer unit? They have some idea due to self reporting, but they have no idea in reality. They're about to find out which deer units are worth the extra $50 and which were never worth the original.
I sincerely hope that they do not sell out of either deer or elk tags and that residents get the chance they've been waiting for to buy a second. So many of the message boards indicate that those folks want to, but lets see what happens when the rubber meets the road.
It was not many years ago when they couldn't sell their elk tags for $299 each, to anyone. I bought a second one in 2015 in November.
Regardless, this is a lesson for everyone, Idaho included. This will not be the final version, this is a learning experience.
Any leftover tags will be 100 percent bought out by resident hunters. My opinion but will see. there were lots of local people bummed this year with no second tags. Discounted tags were kind of peak of wolves low of elk years. Now that wolves getting managed aggressively I don’t see that happening again. Plus we’re getting better at trapping wolves (most trappers besides me :chuckle:) but I got a plan this year so we’ll see on wolves ha ha. I think Idaho will have to go to a lot more draw units just too many new residents every year. This is just a step in that direction trying to manage non resident numbers first. I would rather have them do whatever they can to avoid going draw only even if the first year is a bit of a cluster. The right thing to do is try and manage and spread out non residents first. But the real problem is new resident hunters moving here by the thousands monthly. There is no system to cap those tags or spread them out. Only solution will be more and more draw areas and finally the whole state goes draw for everything and everyone. That will be a bummer but I don’t see any way around it too many new people.
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I dont mind the change with one exception...im an avid deer hunter and have been steadily NOT elk hunting these days. I would like to see the elk tags and deer tags go on sale on different days. I did end up getting the tag I wanted but it was the very last one. I logged in early and just couldn’t get on until I had an 8000 plus number assigned. I believe, although I could be wrong, that this would help with the hustle of the December 1 craziness and help with the people who buy deer tags to go along with their elk tags for OTC units and vice versa. I know its selfish but I think it would help the people who focus more on one or the other get their tags instead of the people at the beginning getting the pick of the litter for both species.
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I dont mind the change with one exception...im an avid deer hunter and have been steadily NOT elk hunting these days. I would like to see the elk tags and deer tags go on sale on different days. I did end up getting the tag I wanted but it was the very last one. I logged in early and just couldn’t get on until I had an 8000 plus number assigned. I believe, although I could be wrong, that this would help with the hustle of the December 1 craziness and help with the people who buy deer tags to go along with their elk tags for OTC units and vice versa. I know its selfish but I think it would help the people who focus more on one or the other get their tags instead of the people at the beginning getting the pick of the litter for both species.
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it would definitely help to alleviate some server traffic at least. Maybe make it different days as the first day of resident sales as well to further eliminate some traffic.
Idaho guy, do you know if the leftover NR tags will be unit specific as second tags for residents or will they be just standard statewide tags like previous
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I don't think the issue is the extra money as much as the fact that you have to buy your tag on December 1st for the following year. No other state makes you plan that far ahead. I apply in Wyoming every year for deer and antelope and I have until the end of May to make my plans and send in my money.
money has been brought up multiple times which is why it was argued..
Idaho tags always go on sale in Dec. Thats not new. Whats new is people now having to prioritize idaho instead of treating her like a side piece.
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It'll be interesting to see how this will effect Non-Res tags in other states, now that ID isn't the fall back for OTC.
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I'm not saying it's anyone's fault. But the solution to this obstacle is simply to throw more money at it, and that will continue as we've seen. At some point people will say not this year, or instead of hunting four states I can only hunt three. Or I didn't get any of the units I wanted, being somewhat flexible, so I'll wait till next year.
If the goal is to make memories with friends or family then take that $1200, buy a side of beef, and have some great BBQs/camping trips. There's always options.
Your argument gives the impression that people either have to hunt out of state, or they're just upset, negative, poor me people who can't overcome obstacles.
I don't see anyone shouting poor me, but even last year I met guys in Idaho who weren't sure if they were coming back. Everyone has their reasons, don't look down on them for their choices.
As for me, I'm still furloughed, have applied to hundreds of pilot positions, but with somewhere between 5,000-10,000 pilots (hard to get a real number with furloughs plus many taking a LOA, early retirements while still looking to work, zero time lines, etc) competing for those jobs, still no luck. Maybe I finally start at the major I have a job offer with next year and am in training or can't get the time off to hunt, just money wasted. Or find a new job and can't hunt for the same reasons. Or if I don't at all, I'll just save that money in case I really need it down the road. And even if I said I'll shell out for it, I still don't like the unit restriction. Not mad at Idaho, no poor me attitude, it's just not worth it to me under the circumstances, so I'll pass.
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Yes I agree it's making so people who really want to hunt Idaho have to make it a priority over other states. Idaho has always been in my mind an option that I might hunt some day if other options didn't pan out. Buy a tag last minute and go hunt. But it sounds like that may no longer be an option. So I'll have to be sure I have a second choice plan in mind for another state if I end up not drawing the tags I want in Wyoming. My second choice might just have to be Washington. I'm afraid the change in Idaho is going to put more pressure on other states, and possibly make draw odds even worse in those states.
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I dont mind the change with one exception...im an avid deer hunter and have been steadily NOT elk hunting these days. I would like to see the elk tags and deer tags go on sale on different days. I did end up getting the tag I wanted but it was the very last one. I logged in early and just couldn’t get on until I had an 8000 plus number assigned. I believe, although I could be wrong, that this would help with the hustle of the December 1 craziness and help with the people who buy deer tags to go along with their elk tags for OTC units and vice versa. I know its selfish but I think it would help the people who focus more on one or the other get their tags instead of the people at the beginning getting the pick of the litter for both species.
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it would definitely help to alleviate some server traffic at least. Maybe make it different days as the first day of resident sales as well to further eliminate some traffic.
Idaho guy, do you know if the leftover NR tags will be unit specific as second tags for residents or will they be just standard statewide tags like previous
Wow that’s a good point I hadn’t considered so I have no idea. I don’t think all the leftovers would be bought as second tags if residents had to pick a unit. If there statewide I feel 100 percent of leftover will be bought as second tag quick. If there unit specific might only be some really marginal units left to choose from
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Would residents have to choose a unit as a second tag? I bought an extra deer tag in '18 and '19 as a non res, wasn't able to get one this year.
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I dont mind the change with one exception...im an avid deer hunter and have been steadily NOT elk hunting these days. I would like to see the elk tags and deer tags go on sale on different days. I did end up getting the tag I wanted but it was the very last one. I logged in early and just couldn’t get on until I had an 8000 plus number assigned. I believe, although I could be wrong, that this would help with the hustle of the December 1 craziness and help with the people who buy deer tags to go along with their elk tags for OTC units and vice versa. I know its selfish but I think it would help the people who focus more on one or the other get their tags instead of the people at the beginning getting the pick of the litter for both species.
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They need to do this :tup: If nothing else it reduces the major cluster of everyone jumping on at once
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Taco, again I think you're getting out in the weeds a bit. The 2 major complains in THIS THREAD and SPECIFIC to idaho being a non resident hunter is price increase and choosing of a specific unit that may not be ones first choice. The solution that has been thrown out is just jump states or sit er out. I was merely trying to convey that ones alternatives are identical to what you would get from idaho minus the convenience of still being able to buy otc tags.
Pretty obvious that everyone has different financial positions in life and that effects what they would do but this conversation is about idaho so im assuming that anyone upset about this was planning a week vacation and planning to spend the money to hunt out if state. So based on those two things, is it not fair to assume ones options are to stay home or go to another state and pay the same amount of money to hunt a single unit? I feel thats a pretty safe assumption
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Also the price increase was approved a long time ago and is no surprise, so a guy either budgeted for it or he didn't. If he didn't he wasn't buy tags to begin with so its just folks complaining on the internet at this point.
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I know a guy in Idaho, he is very smart and holds a position in the state. I met him while hunting and we have become friends. He is a very unique Idahoan in that he actually likes the non res hunters. He thinks they are typically more skilled and more respectful than many of the residents because, if you are spending that kind of money you have to be more serious. He is a really great guy and I respect his opinion. I talked with him yesterday and he brought these few points to light.
1) This was a way for Idaho to get more money into IDFG without raising rates for resident hunters.
2) The woods are super overcrowded. There has been a massive influx of people moving to Idaho, add that to the massive amount of non-res hunters and the woods are a mad house. The resident hunters are very vocal about this and they helped to create the new changes.
3) You want to play, you have to pay. Could be a lot worse.
I talked to him about the DAV tags. He is a Vet himself so he can see the frustrations. I see it like this: Idaho was doing something that none of the other western states were doing. It was an amazing opportunity that many of us took advantage of. To be honest, the first year I bought a DAV tag I told my wife that this would not last. People would figure it out and they would have to cut the tags. So, it was not a surprise that it happened. What was a surprise was the BS way the lottery worked out to draw them. By cutting them as much as they did it was impossible to think they would not have sold out. They should have let the qualified DAV enter a draw the day before. For those that only planned to hunt if they got that tag this would have been the best way to allow that and it would have cleared many of them out of the pool the following day, which in-turn, would have made things faster. That is my idea anyway.
It's hard because if you complain and make a stink IDFG might just say "Hey, you want to complain and be ungrateful that's fine. We will just terminate the program all together." So it feels like they have the DAV folks balls in a vice. Like, they gave this great opportunity and got a ton of folks to participate. Then they cut it massively, like so incredibly massive, and did so knowing that nobody could argue it in good faith without sounding like an ungrateful a-hole. Rock and a hard place for all the DAV qualified non-res hunters. I am pissed beyond belief I did not get my DAV elk tag this year. Trust me that I am. I just don't know how to complain without sounding like a POS. So I bought a normal non-res tag so I can still hunt with my buddies. I am mad, I don't have a solution which makes me more mad. However, I want to hunt Idaho and so I gave them my money and I hold hope that they come up with a better system next year.
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Fair post corey. Like you said though, the DAV program was discovered and got to an over use point. At the end of the day IDFG is charged with managing that states wildlife and sometimes that has to come at a cost if there is over use. Ive never come away from an interaction with anyone at IDFG that wasn't positive. Id encourage you to write them and offer constructive solutions to some of the issues (like doing the DAV sales on a different day). At the end of the day its easy to sit back and judge other humans for being human. The DAV thing was for sure just an oversight. Im betting there aren't too many folks in IDFG that didn't want to see veterans get tags :twocents:
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Also the price increase was approved a long time ago and is no surprise, so a guy either budgeted for it or he didn't. If he didn't he wasn't buy tags to begin with so its just folks complaining on the internet at this point.
Okay, price and unit:
It may not be that they didn't budget for it if they simply say it isn't worth it to them anymore. There's many things in life I can afford to buy, but don't value the product enough to spend the money they want. Even with my employment situation I could easily buy an elk tag, but at $837 it just isn't worth it, to me. That isn't complaining, just a choice. But realistically that price with my situation, it's an easy no.
And if someone has to wait in order to determine when they can get vacation for, their first, second, third, fourth, or even fifth+ choice may be gone. At that point it may not be worth it so they sit it out. There is a choice of not going, without being butthurt.
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All valid points but then if said individual comes on huntwa and complains about those two exact points is that not kind of the definition of butthurt :chuckle:
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I know a guy in Idaho, he is very smart and holds a position in the state. I met him while hunting and we have become friends. He is a very unique Idahoan in that he actually likes the non res hunters. He thinks they are typically more skilled and more respectful than many of the residents because, if you are spending that kind of money you have to be more serious. He is a really great guy and I respect his opinion. I talked with him yesterday and he brought these few points to light.
1) This was a way for Idaho to get more money into IDFG without raising rates for resident hunters.
2) The woods are super overcrowded. There has been a massive influx of people moving to Idaho, add that to the massive amount of non-res hunters and the woods are a mad house. The resident hunters are very vocal about this and they helped to create the new changes.
3) You want to play, you have to pay. Could be a lot worse.
I talked to him about the DAV tags. He is a Vet himself so he can see the frustrations. I see it like this: Idaho was doing something that none of the other western states were doing. It was an amazing opportunity that many of us took advantage of. To be honest, the first year I bought a DAV tag I told my wife that this would not last. People would figure it out and they would have to cut the tags. So, it was not a surprise that it happened. What was a surprise was the BS way the lottery worked out to draw them. By cutting them as much as they did it was impossible to think they would not have sold out. They should have let the qualified DAV enter a draw the day before. For those that only planned to hunt if they got that tag this would have been the best way to allow that and it would have cleared many of them out of the pool the following day, which in-turn, would have made things faster. That is my idea anyway.
It's hard because if you complain and make a stink IDFG might just say "Hey, you want to complain and be ungrateful that's fine. We will just terminate the program all together." So it feels like they have the DAV folks balls in a vice. Like, they gave this great opportunity and got a ton of folks to participate. Then they cut it massively, like so incredibly massive, and did so knowing that nobody could argue it in good faith without sounding like an ungrateful a-hole. Rock and a hard place for all the DAV qualified non-res hunters. I am pissed beyond belief I did not get my DAV elk tag this year. Trust me that I am. I just don't know how to complain without sounding like a POS. So I bought a normal non-res tag so I can still hunt with my buddies. I am mad, I don't have a solution which makes me more mad. However, I want to hunt Idaho and so I gave them my money and I hold hope that they come up with a better system next year.
Instead of cutting back the DAV deer tags to 500 (1500 were sold last year) I think they should have just made the DAV tags unlimited again and sold them at the new non resident youth price. I know it would have been an increase over the previous DAV price, but better than a free for all at 1000 mountain time and it would ensure all DAVs got a discount at least. Im a DAV and I would be ok with the increase.
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I feel like I've beaten this dead horse too much so my closing argument is mow some lawns for some side cash, pick a unit, and go have an adventure! The animals are there for the taking and the mountains are always the great equalizer. Choose to hunt always for every hunt you don't go on is an adventure you cannot and will not get back. One hard lesson i learned from my brothers death years ago was that tomorrow IS NOT a guarantee so you better get your asses going on making every day and every moment count :twocents:
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Do you still have to print your license and then they mail you the tag or they mail everything to you now?
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All valid points but then if said individual comes on huntwa and complains about those two exact points is that not kind of the definition of butthurt :chuckle:
Not if it's an explanation of why they're not hunting ;)
Reminds me of primary training at Rucker with the TH67. Helicopters aren't the easiest to learn to fly, as your brother knew, and I wasn't doing something quite right so my instructor was calling me on it. Unless you were already a helicopter pilot upon showing up, NOBODY could hover day one (or even two or three solidly) with them on all the controls. I was telling them what was going on and they said all they're hearing are excuses. No, I'm giving you an explanation from my point of view so maybe you'll understand my thought process and what I'm doing so we can fix it. All about perspective.
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Like I said, im speaking in general terms to the arguments made NOT at you specifically. You keep coming back to you. OTHERS on this thread, not you taco, have stated the price is bs and and single units are bs and they are going elsewhere. Where? Where is a guy (not taco) gonna go where he is sub 1200 that he can hunt deer and elk without points with a gun? Again NOT you taco.
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The price is BS. The single unit is BS :chuckle:
So maybe they just won't hunt out of state? Or complain about it and do it anyway :chuckle:
As for a complaint, why is my Crispi delivery taking so long? Ordered the 27th with a delivery date of the 1st (they determined that, not me). They were in Springfield the 28th, in the possession of USPS and at the post office. It took till the 1st to get to the distribution center in Springfield. Now on the 2nd they've only made it to KC. From the 27th till the 2nd and still haven't left the state. USPS sucks
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The price is BS. The single unit is BS :chuckle:
So maybe they just won't hunt out of state? Or complain about it and do it anyway :chuckle:
As for a complaint, why is my Crispi delivery taking so long? Ordered the 27th with a delivery date of the 1st (they determined that, not me). They were in Springfield the 28th, in the possession of USPS and at the post office. It took till the 1st to get to the distribution center in Springfield. Now on the 2nd they've only made it to KC. From the 27th till the 2nd and still haven't left the state. USPS sucks
I got some new Crispi boots in the mail yesterday. Santa must be looking out for me, didn't even ask for them :chuckle:
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The price is BS. The single unit is BS :chuckle:
So maybe they just won't hunt out of state? Or complain about it and do it anyway :chuckle:
As for a complaint, why is my Crispi delivery taking so long? Ordered the 27th with a delivery date of the 1st (they determined that, not me). They were in Springfield the 28th, in the possession of USPS and at the post office. It took till the 1st to get to the distribution center in Springfield. Now on the 2nd they've only made it to KC. From the 27th till the 2nd and still haven't left the state. USPS sucks
They are on the same truck as some of the Georgia ballots
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Id blame fedex :o
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It's easy to see the problem.
Everyone that's bitching about the wait time and related slowness on the game and fish site has posted a screen shot of some white dude slowly walking across a green bar.
Let's just say my guy was far more athletic.
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Regarding the DAV Tags,Idaho may be looking to correct some of the madhouse that happened yesterday. Perhaps a letter including some of the better suggestions would be well-received? Some good ideas have been floated on here, just on this page...
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I feel like I've beaten this dead horse too much so my closing argument is mow some lawns for some side cash, pick a unit, and go have an adventure! The animals are there for the taking and the mountains are always the great equalizer. Choose to hunt always for every hunt you don't go on is an adventure you cannot and will not get back. One hard lesson i learned from my brothers death years ago was that tomorrow IS NOT a guarantee so you better get your asses going on making every day and every moment count :twocents:
Totally agree with the above! Especially now that I am 55 years old! Randy Newberg said it best, "Hunt whenever you can!!! Your going to run out of health way before you run out of money!!!" I learned the same way as I watched my hunting partner fight colon cancer for 7 years and then pass away from it. I don't have skin in the game you might say because I don't currently hunt Idaho. Washington, Montana, and Wyoming are as much as an old man like me can handle (or maybe this old mans wife can handle). Every year you put it off is one year you wont get back and your health is going to do nothing but go one direction over time. If you want to make it happen you can! And Karl, along with working out at the Hanford Site for 32 years and owning and running an older RV/MH park, I do mow 25 lawns a week!!! Not sure why, but it keeps me young and helps pay for my tags!!! ;)
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I wish they would have made the deer units the same as the elk units. If individual units require different management for deer, then break them off, but to do single units for deer is overkill IMO. I would have liked to seen Panhandle deer instead of unit 1,2,3, etc.
Price, well, that is what is it. Pay or don't, I won't argue what they charge.
I like the timing. Gives me time to plan vacation and other hunts. If States did their draws and sales all at the same time it would be a jumbled mess for many.
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I've been apply in most western states for over 20 years and there are 2 thing that you can count on price increases and tag cuts. Factor them in now or stop applying. If you don't do one of these 2 things it's your fault for getting mad.
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Things I've learned here:
1) I need to mow lawns.
2) I need to find someone else to mow my lawn so I can hunt today.
3) My health is getting worse.
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I've been apply in most western states for over 20 years and there are 2 thing that you can count on price increases and tag cuts. Factor them in now or stop applying. If you don't do one of these 2 things it's your fault for getting mad.
You forgot point creep!
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Things I've learned here:
1) I need to mow lawns.
2) I need to find someone else to mow my lawn so I can hunt today.
3) My health is getting worse.
Love It!!!!!!
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There's been a lot ground covered since Karl posted the question about what we were really mad about, but here's my position.
I'm not mad about the money. It sucks spending more money, but as it's been stated many times over, Idaho is now closer to in line with other western states. They are closer to me than other western states, so I'll save money on fuel, and time on the road.
I'm not even mad about the quotas. I see more non resident plates where we hunt than resident plates. I'm confident it will help distribute the pressure and the hunting quality over time should reflect that.
What pisses me off is that it was a mad dash, into a new system that everyone supposedly had equal ability to get tags, but it didn't work that way. Guys that logged on literally seconds before me were thousands of places up the line and got tags. It was just a literal crap shoot.
Also, we have a group of guys that hunt together. We WANT to hunt TOGETHER. Well, one of those guys got his elk tag, but not a deer tag. One guy got his elk tag, but got a deer tag in a different unit. Two of us didn't get any tags. Another friend in a group of 3 got his deer tag but his partners did not. So suddenly our group of 4 is split in half with guys being forced to go different directions, or not at all and another group is no longer a group and one guy is having to plan this trip solo now. There is also no guarantee that it won't be that way next year, so how are we supposed to continue planning trips to this state as a group, when we can't guarantee that we can get tags as a group? At least in other western states, you apply to the draw as a group and you either get the tags or you don't and you move on.
That is the part that infuriates me the more I think about it.
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7mm Fan,
Very well said. Although I wasn't one of the people trying to buy tags yesterday, that's the biggest problem I see with their new system. Now you can't plan as a group and count on getting the same tags and hunting together. It reminds of the exact same problem we now have here in southwest Washington, where a majority of the best big game hunting is on Weyerhaeuser land, where an access permit is required. The permits are first come first serve, sold only online, and if you're not really quick and really lucky, you won't get one. So families and groups of hunters that used to hunt together can no longer plan on doing that. It's a really bad thing when it comes to keeping the hunting tradition alive. Hopefully Idaho will fix the issues by next year. Seems to me that they're going to have to go to some sort of a draw type of system.
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My concern for our group. Our first choice had a lower quota and tried to be early. One guy had #900 something... one guy get a tag and a couple others get different tags ... our group is suddenly split in a different state. Luckily we all got a elk tag in our plan “B” area. I was online early and kept refreshing in order for it to not time out. I had been on for 45 mins and was #6900+ Last of our group of guys. Once it all crashed we nearly all got our tags paid for and confirmed near the same time.
Overall happy we got tags in an area we know. This just proved to me that next year is gonna be worse since it is gonna be a mad rush. might have to take the day off from work to get tags...
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Do you still have to print your license and then they mail you the tag or they mail everything to you now?
Ya that! :yeah: Need to know ASAP for stocking stuffers!!!!!! :IBCOOL:
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Do you still have to print your license and then they mail you the tag or they mail everything to you now?
Ya that! :yeah: Need to know ASAP for stocking stuffers!!!!!! :IBCOOL:
I did buy the new "hard card" for $5. This will have your license plus some other non-notchable permits listed on it.
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There's been a lot ground covered since Karl posted the question about what we were really mad about, but here's my position.
I'm not mad about the money. It sucks spending more money, but as it's been stated many times over, Idaho is now closer to in line with other western states. They are closer to me than other western states, so I'll save money on fuel, and time on the road.
I'm not even mad about the quotas. I see more non resident plates where we hunt than resident plates. I'm confident it will help distribute the pressure and the hunting quality over time should reflect that.
What pisses me off is that it was a mad dash, into a new system that everyone supposedly had equal ability to get tags, but it didn't work that way. Guys that logged on literally seconds before me were thousands of places up the line and got tags. It was just a literal crap shoot.
Also, we have a group of guys that hunt together. We WANT to hunt TOGETHER. Well, one of those guys got his elk tag, but not a deer tag. One guy got his elk tag, but got a deer tag in a different unit. Two of us didn't get any tags. Another friend in a group of 3 got his deer tag but his partners did not. So suddenly our group of 4 is split in half with guys being forced to go different directions, or not at all and another group is no longer a group and one guy is having to plan this trip solo now. There is also no guarantee that it won't be that way next year, so how are we supposed to continue planning trips to this state as a group, when we can't guarantee that we can get tags as a group? At least in other western states, you apply to the draw as a group and you either get the tags or you don't and you move on.
That is the part that infuriates me the more I think about it.
Only answer is draw system. I know Idaho’s been resisting that since all the surveys of hunters come back as wanting to hunt otc every year over a draw system. Draw system is coming anyways might be better if started with non resident draws. I see your point about getting split up it makes sense
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Great post 7mm and I agree about splitting camps. Hunting heritage should always be a consideration
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Well, they could still have first come first serve tags but allow a person to purchase multiple tags at the same time for a group of people. So just like with a draw system, either everyone in the group gets a tag, or nobody in the group gets a tag.
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There's been a lot ground covered since Karl posted the question about what we were really mad about, but here's my position.
I'm not mad about the money. It sucks spending more money, but as it's been stated many times over, Idaho is now closer to in line with other western states. They are closer to me than other western states, so I'll save money on fuel, and time on the road.
I'm not even mad about the quotas. I see more non resident plates where we hunt than resident plates. I'm confident it will help distribute the pressure and the hunting quality over time should reflect that.
What pisses me off is that it was a mad dash, into a new system that everyone supposedly had equal ability to get tags, but it didn't work that way. Guys that logged on literally seconds before me were thousands of places up the line and got tags. It was just a literal crap shoot.
Also, we have a group of guys that hunt together. We WANT to hunt TOGETHER. Well, one of those guys got his elk tag, but not a deer tag. One guy got his elk tag, but got a deer tag in a different unit. Two of us didn't get any tags. Another friend in a group of 3 got his deer tag but his partners did not. So suddenly our group of 4 is split in half with guys being forced to go different directions, or not at all and another group is no longer a group and one guy is having to plan this trip solo now. There is also no guarantee that it won't be that way next year, so how are we supposed to continue planning trips to this state as a group, when we can't guarantee that we can get tags as a group? At least in other western states, you apply to the draw as a group and you either get the tags or you don't and you move on.
That is the part that infuriates me the more I think about it.
Very well said.... The whole thing is what it is.... until it breaks up camps and families. As Bobcat posted, this is one of the huge problems with the timber land passes.
I hate to say it, but I would rather see draws than what we just saw happen.
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Fair post corey. Like you said though, the DAV program was discovered and got to an over use point. At the end of the day IDFG is charged with managing that states wildlife and sometimes that has to come at a cost if there is over use. Ive never come away from an interaction with anyone at IDFG that wasn't positive. Id encourage you to write them and offer constructive solutions to some of the issues (like doing the DAV sales on a different day). At the end of the day its easy to sit back and judge other humans for being human. The DAV thing was for sure just an oversight. Im betting there aren't too many folks in IDFG that didn't want to see veterans get tags :twocents:
I get it and I don't think any of if was malicious. I just don't think it was very well planned out. The tags are selling in record time so I don't see any changes coming for next year. This is of course in regards to the cost and amount of tags. I do hope that there are enough complaints about the process though and that a positive change is made to that.
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Very strange. I posted on December 1st that I had logged in at 12:49pm just as a check for future reference for myself how many tags would be left after the initial mad dash, and on my screen none of the deer options were available for me to purchase but there were non-res elk tags available and I posted that it appeared that deer tags had sold out. After seeing following posts from guys stating there were lots of tags leftover I logged back in today to see.....sure enough Idaho is now showing both "deer regular" and "adult white tailed deer" tags available.
Clearly Idaho F&G website was experiencing some glitches on December 1st. I wonder what the extend of the glitches was.
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Very strange. I posted on December 1st that I had logged in at 12:49pm just as a check for future reference for myself how many tags would be left after the initial mad dash, and on my screen none of the deer options were available for me to purchase but there were non-res elk tags available and I posted that it appeared that deer tags had sold out. After seeing following posts from guys stating there were lots of tags leftover I logged back in today to see.....sure enough Idaho is now showing both "deer regular" and "adult white tailed deer" tags available.
Clearly Idaho F&G website was experiencing some glitches on December 1st. I wonder what the extend of the glitches was.
Yeah I was sitting there looking at the deer tags trying to make a decision when you posted that. Bummer that so many people had technical problems while there were still likely tags available for the hunts they wanted
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Something I eventually noticed after being on the sight numerous times was that the number of available tags IS NOT updated in real time...something to keep in mind.
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More than anything this has caused, I believe poaching will go sky high in Idaho! Idaho is already a poacher friendly state, now by limiting tags, it will cause even more to become trigger happy without a tag. Just because you limit the amount of tags doesn’t mean you won’t limit the amount of animals killed.
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Well, they could still have first come first serve tags but allow a person to purchase multiple tags at the same time for a group of people. So just like with a draw system, either everyone in the group gets a tag, or nobody in the group gets a tag.
I feel like this is very doable.... you can always put a time limit on the additional tags like when you apply as a group.... where the group leader reserves so many tags for the group and then the individuals can buy said reserved tags within 24hrs by entering in the group leaders hunter ID else they go back to the pool.
It's the first year ,there are going to be kinks, and when it comes to hunting and tags there is no real good beta process like when you develop software and games. Though I guess they could have done a beta to an extent by inviting people (previous non-resident) to do a fake purchase in the system weeks before the release.... though is that the best use of money and resources? Would it have flushed out all the problems? From a wildlife management stand point which is the ultimate goal of IDFG, missing the group function wont hurt deer and elk populations. So this could have very well been the beta and next year they will have the bugs worked out.
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More than anything this has caused, I believe poaching will go sky high in Idaho! Idaho is already a poacher friendly state, now by limiting tags, it will cause even more to become trigger happy without a tag. Just because you limit the amount of tags doesn’t mean you won’t limit the amount of animals killed.
I have a hard time believing a non-resident is going to drive all the way to Idaho to poach an animal.....I'd say out of state poaching is much more rare than in-state.
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What about the non resident that was only Able you purchase a deer tag and comes across a bull? All different scenarios!
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Idaho is already a poacher friendly state
Huh? How is it poacher friendly?
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Idaho is already a poacher friendly state
Huh? How is it poacher friendly?
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
I can see no logical response to this???????????
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What about the non resident that was only Able you purchase a deer tag and comes across a bull? All different scenarios!
9.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 times out of 10 that guy just looks at the bull and keeps on hunting for deer.
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Well, they could still have first come first serve tags but allow a person to purchase multiple tags at the same time for a group of people. So just like with a draw system, either everyone in the group gets a tag, or nobody in the group gets a tag.
I feel like this is very doable.... you can always put a time limit on the additional tags like when you apply as a group.... where the group leader reserves so many tags for the group and then the individuals can buy said reserved tags within 24hrs by entering in the group leaders hunter ID else they go back to the pool.
It's the first year ,there are going to be kinks, and when it comes to hunting and tags there is no real good beta process like when you develop software and games. Though I guess they could have done a beta to an extent by inviting people (previous non-resident) to do a fake purchase in the system weeks before the release.... though is that the best use of money and resources? Would it have flushed out all the problems? From a wildlife management stand point which is the ultimate goal of IDFG, missing the group function wont hurt deer and elk populations. So this could have very well been the beta and next year they will have the bugs worked out.
True. Idaho Fish & Game has been rather reasonable over the years. My expectation is they'll hear the feedback and realize they had a few glitches, and will implement some minor changes to further streamline it for next year. My guess is ID did indeed do internal beta testing, but perhaps their back end server/software setup wasn't truly ready for the amount of demand in the short time window and thus the glitches that happened. I've never have had reason to have any issues with Idaho F&G (I've lived there in ID, as well as in WA and OR over the years) and they'll probably get it more streamlined for next year. I don't see Idaho F&G trying to intentionally alienate non-residents.
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Got my message back from IDFG reference DAV tags and not being able to pick a deer unit. The DAV tags aren’t restricted to one unit and still done the old way. Man, I love Idaho!! :IBCOOL:
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I do know one thing about this new system. The state generated a ton of monies quickly which I know will be used to properly manage the resources we all here enjoy to pursue. The managers for all these funds seem to be doing a great good allocating the funds where needed! :tup:
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I do know one thing about this new system. The state generated a ton of monies quickly which I know will be used to properly manage the resources we all here enjoy to pursue. The managers for all these funds seem to be doing a great good allocating the funds where needed! :tup:
From a budgeting perspective, this was a smart move by IDFG. The tags sell out anyway so it's really a matter of timing on when the funds come in. Changing the situation to drive tag purchases in December by the quota method allows most of the money to arrive at once every December so they can use it in larger chunks for big projects throughout the year instead of it trickling in over time.
Unlimited non-resident tags was not going to be sustainable for the herds with Idaho's growing resident population....this change was coming some day no matter what so it's smart for IDFG to get ahead of the curve on this. And by setting the quota the way they did, it makes for a more predictive budgeting cycle for their projects. In financial parlance, non-residents are a recurring annuity for Idaho F&G budgeting cycles. Idaho isn't going to risk the size of that annuity by alienating non-residents, and this change makes that annuity more predictive on when the bulk of the funds arrive.
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After this log jam I can see the state moving to a 100% draw system for NR. Hopefully if they do it stays point free.
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They also get your money before you can spend it buying tags for another state.
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I do know one thing about this new system. The state generated a ton of monies quickly which I know will be used to properly manage the resources we all here enjoy to pursue. The managers for all these funds seem to be doing a great good allocating the funds where needed! :tup:
From a budgeting perspective, this was a smart move by IDFG. The tags sell out anyway so it's really a matter of timing on when the funds come in. Changing the situation to drive tag purchases in December by the quota method allows most of the money to arrive at once every December so they can use it in larger chunks for big projects throughout the year instead of it trickling in over time.
Unlimited non-resident tags was not going to be sustainable for the herds with Idaho's growing resident population....this change was coming some day no matter what so it's smart for IDFG to get ahead of the curve on this. And by setting the quota the way they did, it makes for a more predictive budgeting cycle for their projects. In financial parlance, non-residents are a recurring annuity for Idaho F&G budgeting cycles. Idaho isn't going to risk the size of that annuity by alienating non-residents, and this change makes that annuity more predictive on when the bulk of the funds arrive.
:yeah: IMO IDFG is one of the best, if not the best state agencies in the west. They do a good job of managing for the resource (fish and game) and not for the revenue!
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They also get your money before you can spend it buying tags for another state.
Thats a moot point though as the NR tag quota sells out regardless. They know they are getting their cash and losing nothing to other states.
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Just another of many symptoms of living in a world of 7.8 billion people, with another 5-6 billion on the way by the end of the century. There will come a day when hunting will be a thing of the past for all but a vanishingly small minority of either the very rich or the few remaining people in remote settings, I fear. Sorry to digress in such a cynical manner.
To the topic, I think IDFG is caught amidst some strong pressures, as noted by a lot on here. There are bound to be problems as they try to adjust. I do hear the frustrations as expressed by people on here, though, such as the disabled veterans and those who really value the family/group hunting experience. Maybe IDFG's leadership can take all this into account in future years.
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Just another of many symptoms of living in a world of 7.8 billion people, with another 5-6 billion on the way by the end of the century. There will come a day when hunting will be a thing of the past for all but a vanishingly small minority of either the very rich or the few remaining people in remote settings, I fear. Sorry to digress in such a cynical manner.
you're not wrong but your post reminded me of this :chuckle:
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Karl, I guess if my future involves an amped up motorcycle and a spike-studded helmet, then I'll consider it a very strong silver lining! :chuckle:
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Idaho is already a poacher friendly state
Huh? How is it poacher friendly?
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I can see no logical response to this???????????
x3 that makes no sense :dunno:
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Just another of many symptoms of living in a world of 7.8 billion people, with another 5-6 billion on the way by the end of the century. There will come a day when hunting will be a thing of the past for all but a vanishingly small minority of either the very rich or the few remaining people in remote settings, I fear. Sorry to digress in such a cynical manner.
you're not wrong but your post reminded me of this :chuckle:
You guys don´t dress like that...? (am I in the wrong forum again...?)
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Isn't that a picture from when Mossback met Meat Eater.
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Just another of many symptoms of living in a world of 7.8 billion people, with another 5-6 billion on the way by the end of the century. There will come a day when hunting will be a thing of the past for all but a vanishingly small minority of either the very rich or the few remaining people in remote settings, I fear. Sorry to digress in such a cynical manner.
you're not wrong but your post reminded me of this :chuckle:
You guys don´t dress like that...? (am I in the wrong forum again...?)
Kuiu's new urban take over camo. I heard they had some local guys testing it out.
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Just another of many symptoms of living in a world of 7.8 billion people, with another 5-6 billion on the way by the end of the century. There will come a day when hunting will be a thing of the past for all but a vanishingly small minority of either the very rich or the few remaining people in remote settings, I fear. Sorry to digress in such a cynical manner.
you're not wrong but your post reminded me of this :chuckle:
You guys don´t dress like that...? (am I in the wrong forum again...?)
Kuiu's new urban take over camo. I heard they had some local guys testing it out.
He's right ...there will be no need to hunt when everyone is eating Soylent Green.
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I'm sure braising recipes will be in great demand... :sry:
This is getting a little dark...
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Have not read everyone's response so sorry if its already been brought up but the only drawbacks I see are 1) people that hunt in groups not all being able to get same tags and 2) its hard for the people that are unable sit and wait for for their opportunity to get a highly sought after tag while at work. Unfortunately OTC limited tags are first come first served and not sure how it can be fixed without going to a draw that no one wants to see happen.
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Have not read everyone's response so sorry if its already been brought up but the only drawbacks I see are 1) people that hunt in groups not all being able to get same tags and 2) its hard for the people that are unable sit and wait for for their opportunity to get a highly sought after tag while at work. Unfortunately OTC limited tags are first come first served and not sure how it can be fixed without going to a draw that no one wants to see happen.
A draw would be better than those first come first served *censored* shows. With demand that high it’s essentially a draw anyways because you get your place in line (number) and then wait to see if your tag or any tag is available when your number is up. IMO first come first served works well when the quota lasts at least a few days, but not stuff that sells basically right away I.E. DAV elk /deer, diamond creek elk, pioneer elk etc.
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They definitely need to go to a drawing, think this would have worked had the system not booted a bunch of people and all the other problems, and this has been said a bunch but you need to be able to apply as parters, even if it’s only in pairs of 2. I only hunt there with one other guy and I got it and he didn’t. It’s all good to check out new country and what not but doing it together is what makes it awesome.
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I agree with both statements above, for selfish reasons I would hate to see Idaho go to draw system only due to my hunting partner (my son) moved there last year. If Idaho does go to draw system I hope it better then what we have here in Washington (again biased opinion coming for a guy sitting with max points for quality deer) :bash: It will be interesting to see what happens.
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If they go draw, I hope they keep the way it is now and keep points out of it.
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I really liked Idaho's 1st come 1st serve when it didn't sell out in one day... :chuckle:
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If they go draw, I hope they keep the way it is now and keep points out of it.
Absolutely
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As much as I didnt like some aspects of the way they did their tags this year...i do not, under any circumstance, want them to go to a draw system.
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Why not do a draw system for where you are in line? Give everyone a time to “apply” then do a draw for where you get to stand in line. Only issue, in my mind, this doesn’t resolve is the group aspect but I guess if one guy in your party gets the front of the line you could still group up per party number or something
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Why not do a draw system for where you are in line? Give everyone a time to “apply” then do a draw for where you get to stand in line. Only issue, in my mind, this doesn’t resolve is the group aspect but I guess if one guy in your party gets the front of the line you could still group up per party number or something
Wouldn’t that just be a draw system? You would draw a number and that allows you to personally get in line to buy your tag which if you have the wrong number you have no chance of buying the tag you want. It would be easier just to let the computer do the math on your place in line and either give you the tag or the dreaded not selected :chuckle. The biggest problem I see for non residents is breaking up hunting groups with first come first served. It’s been mentioned let someone buy for the whole groups but this is open for abuse and would be complicated. If you think it was a crap show just imagine each person in line snapping up 4 or more high demand tags at once. Computer would not only have to keep track of influx of buyers but make sure each buyer was limited to x number of tags I guess 4 to 8 ? For group buyer. It would be a mad dash with highly coveted tags gone in seconds not minutes. Idaho can do as many backflips and other tricks to not say they have a draw but based on this year Idaho needs to do a draw for non res tags. I don’t think they will ever go to point system just straight draw. Or they can keep playing games to disguise a draw system as otc tags. Otc works when supply and demand were at least close to equal or supply exceeded demand a little. Who knows maybe after this year people decide it’s not worth it and we can have non res otc for a few more years. If demand stays the same it’s just easier to do a draw
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:yeah:
This was one of my initial thoughts as well. If anyone knows how to find the numbers logged into the "waiting room" prior to 9:00 that would give an idea. It was the rush through the door that creates the issues.
Stories of guys logged into the waiting room right at 8;45 that were kicked out and had 2.5 hour waits, others that were logged in early and got in and still had 35 to 40 minute waits, and still others who logged in after 9 and went straight to the front of the line.
I'm curious about the numbers of return tags this year. Selling out no is great on paper, how does it look in 6 months after everyone gets their results from other states etc.
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I think, with the exception of the party hunting, the process could have been made better by doing 2 things:
Holding elk and deer tags days on separate days.
Giving DAV tags out unlimited and just increasing the price to the same as the new new non resident youth prices.
Both of these would have helped, not alleviated, the mad dash at 0845. Elk tags would be the first tags that to me would make since to make a draw. However, as far as the deer tags, it seems weird to have a draw system if there are still so many tags available...
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I’d be willing to bet there’s changes next year. That’s a broken system and a way of doing it. Sadly I see 2 draws for NR for general capped and the already controlled hunts and there being lots of returned tags due to people drawing better tags or drawing a controlled hunt. Them making it this way is setup for a draw. It was just a year or 2 ago they asked about high demand capped areas making it a draw... it’s on their radar.
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There’s still 5,606 Idaho elk tags left.
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Why not do a draw system for where you are in line? Give everyone a time to “apply” then do a draw for where you get to stand in line. Only issue, in my mind, this doesn’t resolve is the group aspect but I guess if one guy in your party gets the front of the line you could still group up per party number or something
Wouldn’t that just be a draw system? You would draw a number and that allows you to personally get in line to buy your tag which if you have the wrong number you have no chance of buying the tag you want. It would be easier just to let the computer do the math on your place in line and either give you the tag or the dreaded not selected :chuckle. The biggest problem I see for non residents is breaking up hunting groups with first come first served. It’s been mentioned let someone buy for the whole groups but this is open for abuse and would be complicated. If you think it was a crap show just imagine each person in line snapping up 4 or more high demand tags at once. Computer would not only have to keep track of influx of buyers but make sure each buyer was limited to x number of tags I guess 4 to 8 ? For group buyer. It would be a mad dash with highly coveted tags gone in seconds not minutes. Idaho can do as many backflips and other tricks to not say they have a draw but based on this year Idaho needs to do a draw for non res tags. I don’t think they will ever go to point system just straight draw. Or they can keep playing games to disguise a draw system as otc tags. Otc works when supply and demand were at least close to equal or supply exceeded demand a little. Who knows maybe after this year people decide it’s not worth it and we can have non res otc for a few more years. If demand stays the same it’s just easier to do a draw
My wife had us both logged in early with our licences in our carts. I had friends from our group that were logged in an hour after us and were several thousand people ahead of us in line. They had no issues purchasing. When it was finally my wife's turn, she added her tag and attempted to check out. It continued to load for entire allotted time and ended up charging her for the license and kicked the tag out. When it was finally my turn she had no issues getting my license and tag and had time to spare. She stayed in my place in line and was able to get her tag. The system is definitely flawed. We are hunting the panhandle. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. If not, I would say one person could buy for their partners tags if they can do it in the allotted time.
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I think they should give preference to guys that have hunted the state the longest. :chuckle:
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I did not log in to the waiting room, went for the 9 am phone call. I chose to stay on the phone and wait it out. I did log in while waiting, down 12,261. At 9:34 I got the dreaded lost call message on my phone, big mistake. I should have taken the call back. Called again to get back in line. At one point the website said I was down to a 37 minute wait at somewhere around 4,000 in front of me.. Then it all the sudden said I was up, but had no access to fill anything out. I tried a couple of places in Lewiston to see if they would sell over the phone, no go. I do know some people that succeeded that way though, they had good connections. They would also not let my buddy drive across the river and buy it for me. Reality was setting in, I am not going to get a tag, at 12:30 I got up to do some chores. I walked by the laptop at 1 pm and wiggled the mouse. The screen popped up and said You are up, I did my best to whip it out and hit submit. Bingo, 85 left! If they do it the same next year I will solve that problem by being at my buddies hunting whitetails. On 12/1 I will just drive across the river at 9:30 and get in line. He had 1 person in front of him.
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Why not do a draw system for where you are in line? Give everyone a time to “apply” then do a draw for where you get to stand in line. Only issue, in my mind, this doesn’t resolve is the group aspect but I guess if one guy in your party gets the front of the line you could still group up per party number or something
Wouldn’t that just be a draw system? You would draw a number and that allows you to personally get in line to buy your tag which if you have the wrong number you have no chance of buying the tag you want. It would be easier just to let the computer do the math on your place in line and either give you the tag or the dreaded not selected :chuckle. The biggest problem I see for non residents is breaking up hunting groups with first come first served. It’s been mentioned let someone buy for the whole groups but this is open for abuse and would be complicated. If you think it was a crap show just imagine each person in line snapping up 4 or more high demand tags at once. Computer would not only have to keep track of influx of buyers but make sure each buyer was limited to x number of tags I guess 4 to 8 ? For group buyer. It would be a mad dash with highly coveted tags gone in seconds not minutes. Idaho can do as many backflips and other tricks to not say they have a draw but based on this year Idaho needs to do a draw for non res tags. I don’t think they will ever go to point system just straight draw. Or they can keep playing games to disguise a draw system as otc tags. Otc works when supply and demand were at least close to equal or supply exceeded demand a little. Who knows maybe after this year people decide it’s not worth it and we can have non res otc for a few more years. If demand stays the same it’s just easier to do a draw
A draw system implies that you are trying to draw a specific tag/unit or whatever. This "draw" would just be for your spot in line. At that point, depending on where you are in line is how many choices of units you would have. :dunno:
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They could of alleviated all this mess if they just took the 3-4 overcrowded units they are trying to fix and made them draw units for non rez much like they did with the late hunts in the Frank church.
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Why not do a draw system for where you are in line? Give everyone a time to “apply” then do a draw for where you get to stand in line. Only issue, in my mind, this doesn’t resolve is the group aspect but I guess if one guy in your party gets the front of the line you could still group up per party number or something
Wouldn’t that just be a draw system? You would draw a number and that allows you to personally get in line to buy your tag which if you have the wrong number you have no chance of buying the tag you want. It would be easier just to let the computer do the math on your place in line and either give you the tag or the dreaded not selected :chuckle. The biggest problem I see for non residents is breaking up hunting groups with first come first served. It’s been mentioned let someone buy for the whole groups but this is open for abuse and would be complicated. If you think it was a crap show just imagine each person in line snapping up 4 or more high demand tags at once. Computer would not only have to keep track of influx of buyers but make sure each buyer was limited to x number of tags I guess 4 to 8 ? For group buyer. It would be a mad dash with highly coveted tags gone in seconds not minutes. Idaho can do as many backflips and other tricks to not say they have a draw but based on this year Idaho needs to do a draw for non res tags. I don’t think they will ever go to point system just straight draw. Or they can keep playing games to disguise a draw system as otc tags. Otc works when supply and demand were at least close to equal or supply exceeded demand a little. Who knows maybe after this year people decide it’s not worth it and we can have non res otc for a few more years. If demand stays the same it’s just easier to do a draw
A draw system implies that you are trying to draw a specific tag/unit or whatever. This "draw" would just be for your spot in line. At that point, depending on where you are in line is how many choices of units you would have. :dunno:
Basically how MT does their alternates list. It wouldn’t surprise me if we see some variation of this, probably modified so a group can get under 1 number.
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Why not do a draw system for where you are in line? Give everyone a time to “apply” then do a draw for where you get to stand in line. Only issue, in my mind, this doesn’t resolve is the group aspect but I guess if one guy in your party gets the front of the line you could still group up per party number or something
Wouldn’t that just be a draw system? You would draw a number and that allows you to personally get in line to buy your tag which if you have the wrong number you have no chance of buying the tag you want. It would be easier just to let the computer do the math on your place in line and either give you the tag or the dreaded not selected :chuckle. The biggest problem I see for non residents is breaking up hunting groups with first come first served. It’s been mentioned let someone buy for the whole groups but this is open for abuse and would be complicated. If you think it was a crap show just imagine each person in line snapping up 4 or more high demand tags at once. Computer would not only have to keep track of influx of buyers but make sure each buyer was limited to x number of tags I guess 4 to 8 ? For group buyer. It would be a mad dash with highly coveted tags gone in seconds not minutes. Idaho can do as many backflips and other tricks to not say they have a draw but based on this year Idaho needs to do a draw for non res tags. I don’t think they will ever go to point system just straight draw. Or they can keep playing games to disguise a draw system as otc tags. Otc works when supply and demand were at least close to equal or supply exceeded demand a little. Who knows maybe after this year people decide it’s not worth it and we can have non res otc for a few more years. If demand stays the same it’s just easier to do a draw
A draw system implies that you are trying to draw a specific tag/unit or whatever. This "draw" would just be for your spot in line. At that point, depending on where you are in line is how many choices of units you would have. :dunno:
Basically how MT does their alternates list. It wouldn’t surprise me if we see some variation of this, probably modified so a group can get under 1 number.
Exactly.
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Would it address the issue of party hunting and buying tags together?
And how would that work? Would you be given a specific date and time to make your selection? What if that time simply doesn't work for you, if you're working, taking kids to school, sleeping, or whatever?
A draw for a spot in line just seems like more hassle and headache. Just do a draw, no points.
Maybe when you put your name in the hat for a place in line, if you want to go in as a party you do it then and you collectively get one spot in line? Thinking out loud here.
I think that since the initial date is so dang early, they could come up with some system to work the way down the line
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I think they should give preference to guys that have hunted the state the longest. :chuckle:
I think they should give preference to guys that don’t own an ATV or SXS...
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I think they should give preference to guys that have hunted the state the longest. :chuckle:
I think they should give preference to guys that don’t own an ATV or SXS...
:chuckle: I was actually pleasantly surprised during elk season this year. It was my first time hunting a non-wilderness area in Idaho and I’ve always heard horror stories about every gate, closed road and rideable ridge line having a four wheeler on it. During our week in an otc unit I only had 1 side by side ride in behind us on a closed trail. Lots of gated roads that people walked in on and never did run into another hunter on foot. Pretty much the opposite of everything I read and definitely wayyyy better than WA
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I think they should give preference to guys that have hunted the state the longest. :chuckle:
I think they should give preference to guys that don’t own an ATV or SXS...
Double points for me then :IBCOOL:
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Why not do a draw system for where you are in line? Give everyone a time to “apply” then do a draw for where you get to stand in line. Only issue, in my mind, this doesn’t resolve is the group aspect but I guess if one guy in your party gets the front of the line you could still group up per party number or something
Wouldn’t that just be a draw system? You would draw a number and that allows you to personally get in line to buy your tag which if you have the wrong number you have no chance of buying the tag you want. It would be easier just to let the computer do the math on your place in line and either give you the tag or the dreaded not selected :chuckle. The biggest problem I see for non residents is breaking up hunting groups with first come first served. It’s been mentioned let someone buy for the whole groups but this is open for abuse and would be complicated. If you think it was a crap show just imagine each person in line snapping up 4 or more high demand tags at once. Computer would not only have to keep track of influx of buyers but make sure each buyer was limited to x number of tags I guess 4 to 8 ? For group buyer. It would be a mad dash with highly coveted tags gone in seconds not minutes. Idaho can do as many backflips and other tricks to not say they have a draw but based on this year Idaho needs to do a draw for non res tags. I don’t think they will ever go to point system just straight draw. Or they can keep playing games to disguise a draw system as otc tags. Otc works when supply and demand were at least close to equal or supply exceeded demand a little. Who knows maybe after this year people decide it’s not worth it and we can have non res otc for a few more years. If demand stays the same it’s just easier to do a draw
A draw system implies that you are trying to draw a specific tag/unit or whatever. This "draw" would just be for your spot in line. At that point, depending on where you are in line is how many choices of units you would have. :dunno:
I was thinking just like Montana non resident draw for tags but with unit choices of 1 st choice 2nd 3 rd etc. I guess the real answer will be how many tags are left this year if any. I said it before but Idaho’s biggest issue is new resident hunters not non residents. Interesting the most dedicated best whitetail hunter I know in Idaho is hunting Washington as a non resident :yike:and Getting better bucks in your state than Idaho lol 😂
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They show 5600 elk tags left for residents but only about 1200 of them are to capped units where elk actually are huntable. Idaho might not sell out. The uncapped units are garbage and no one will hunt those as a non resident for the nearly $1000 license cost.
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They show 5600 elk tags left for residents but only about 1200 of them are to capped units where elk actually are huntable. Idaho might not sell out. The uncapped units are garbage and no one will hunt those as a non resident for the nearly $1000 license cost.
Boise river and weiser river zone both have tags left. Yea it’s crowded hunting but it’s also big country with a lot of elk and with a little boot leather and or ingenuity a guy can get away and have a good hunt in those 2 zones
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They show 5600 elk tags left for residents but only about 1200 of them are to capped units where elk actually are huntable. Idaho might not sell out. The uncapped units are garbage and no one will hunt those as a non resident for the nearly $1000 license cost.
Boise river and weiser river zone both have tags left. Yea it’s crowded hunting but it’s also big country with a lot of elk and with a little boot leather and or ingenuity a guy can get away and have a good hunt in those 2 zones
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This is only early December! For over a decade I know for a fact non-res tags and licenses haven't sold this fast. There may be a handful of tags left in some units by this coming summer but many non-resident hunters across the country haven't even thought about where they are hunting next fall yet because they are still hunting in their home states. Many hunters look for their hunts in Jan & Feb, that's the reason the bulk of the outdoor hunting shows occur across the country in Jan/Feb. I will be surprised if there are any non-res elk tags left by this coming summer.
IMO and trying to look at this from IDFG's perspective, this new system will prove to be a great move, the residents will be happy that non-residents are being limited from crowding certain units, the state sells their non-res licenses and tags quicker and can plan budgeting better, and the large non-res price increase was essentially overlooked by non-res customers intent on getting in before tags sold out (marketing genius). It's all a win/win for IDFG. I do see the potential that certain units may be considered for draws in the future, but on the other hand if that is done there will simply be other units that become the quick sellers, so maybe there is nothing to gain by going down that path further. In the short term I think IDFG has accomplished what they wanted to accomplish.
From my perspective, I love their new online sales page, it's extremely easy and quick to navigate, much better than their previous page, one of the best of any state. I would like to see them make a group option so you can add another hunter to your group (up to 4 or 6 hunters) before checking out, it seems they could use a pop up window to somehow do this, I would think it could be done.
Overall, it needs a tweak or two, but good job IDFG!
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I don't hunt Idaho. I only hunt Washington, Montana, and Wyoming, but two guys that work at the same plant as I do have hunted for years in Idaho. These two guys showed up in my office this afternoon wanting to pick my brain on Montana options. So all I have to say is, these non-resident changes and reductions in Idaho are going to have much more far reaching impacts then just Idaho! Other western states will be having more applicants due to all of this. Just like we have seen Washington go in the turbo-toilet these last 5-10 years and massive amount of Washington hunters are throwing in the towel and hitting the out of state road, Getting out of state tags on a regular basis will soon (already is) be a thing of the past. I have had the luxury of hunting every year in Montana and Wyoming, It will soon be a every other or even a every third year thing! Price hikes will be the next big thing we will see in all these highly sought after non-resident hunting states. Enjoy it while you can fellas!!! Your kids will never be able to do this when they are your age!
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I don't hunt Idaho. I only hunt Washington, Montana, and Wyoming, but two guys that work at the same plant as I do have hunted for years in Idaho. These two guys showed up in my office this afternoon wanting to pick my brain on Montana options. So all I have to say is, these non-resident changes and reductions in Idaho are going to have much more far reaching impacts then just Idaho! Other western states will be having more applicants due to all of this. Just like we have seen Washington go in the turbo-toilet these last 5-10 years and massive amount of Washington hunters are throwing in the towel and hitting the out of state road, Getting out of state tags on a regular basis will soon (already is) be a thing of the past. I have had the luxury of hunting every year in Montana and Wyoming, It will soon be a every other or even a every third year thing! Price hikes will be the next big thing we will see in all these highly sought after non-resident hunting states. Enjoy it while you can fellas!!! Your kids will never be able to do this when they are your age!
Yep I’m seriously looking at Montana this year for the first time because Idaho. The deer hunting isn’t good enough for the price at least where I’ve been the last few years... WA with just a few less people and a few more SxS
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I don't hunt Idaho. I only hunt Washington, Montana, and Wyoming, but two guys that work at the same plant as I do have hunted for years in Idaho. These two guys showed up in my office this afternoon wanting to pick my brain on Montana options. So all I have to say is, these non-resident changes and reductions in Idaho are going to have much more far reaching impacts then just Idaho! Other western states will be having more applicants due to all of this. Just like we have seen Washington go in the turbo-toilet these last 5-10 years and massive amount of Washington hunters are throwing in the towel and hitting the out of state road, Getting out of state tags on a regular basis will soon (already is) be a thing of the past. I have had the luxury of hunting every year in Montana and Wyoming, It will soon be a every other or even a every third year thing! Price hikes will be the next big thing we will see in all these highly sought after non-resident hunting states. Enjoy it while you can fellas!!! Your kids will never be able to do this when they are your age!
The best and most dedicated whitetail hunter that I personally know is archery hunting Washington as a non resident and killing better bucks in Washington than Idaho :yike: :panhandle whitetail hunting probably isn’t worth the price or hassle. I don’t know but it’s pretty interesting. We hunted all of our old “good” spots and found 3-4 mature bucks over a week of hard hunting. That’s not at all like it used to be and wouldn’t be worth the non resident price and hassle to me. I think some Mule deer areas definitely would still be worth it.
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I don't hunt Idaho. I only hunt Washington, Montana, and Wyoming, but two guys that work at the same plant as I do have hunted for years in Idaho. These two guys showed up in my office this afternoon wanting to pick my brain on Montana options. So all I have to say is, these non-resident changes and reductions in Idaho are going to have much more far reaching impacts then just Idaho! Other western states will be having more applicants due to all of this. Just like we have seen Washington go in the turbo-toilet these last 5-10 years and massive amount of Washington hunters are throwing in the towel and hitting the out of state road, Getting out of state tags on a regular basis will soon (already is) be a thing of the past. I have had the luxury of hunting every year in Montana and Wyoming, It will soon be a every other or even a every third year thing! Price hikes will be the next big thing we will see in all these highly sought after non-resident hunting states. Enjoy it while you can fellas!!! Your kids will never be able to do this when they are your age!
Yep I’m seriously looking at Montana this year for the first time because Idaho. The deer hunting isn’t good enough for the price at least where I’ve been the last few years... WA with just a few less people and a few more SxS
Deer population in Montana compared to Idaho is night and day. I don’t know the actual numbers but feels like 10-20 deer in Montana for every 1 deer in Idaho. I think when you do find that big mule deer it’s better trophy quality though. Whitetail Montana is way better in populations and size
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For sure, Montana deer (and elk for that matter) are managed for opportunity. Basically, how can they give the most people the opportunity to hunt them?
My crystal ball says that it always stings when a state makes it harder and more expensive for less opportunity, but that sting doesn't last as long as the memories of past hunts and the dreams of what the future holds. At the end of the day, there are limited opportunities and we will stand in line however long is necessary and pay whatever they are asking for the chance to hunt. Sadly, some will be priced out, but they will be replaced at least 1:1 if not more by people that found or have a way to afford it.
A few years ago, MT did a huge price increase and people thought and talked about ID and now the pendulum is going the other direction to some degree, but ID is still a closer drive and lower cost so I wouldn't bet on a mass exodus.
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I don't hunt Idaho. I only hunt Washington, Montana, and Wyoming, but two guys that work at the same plant as I do have hunted for years in Idaho. These two guys showed up in my office this afternoon wanting to pick my brain on Montana options. So all I have to say is, these non-resident changes and reductions in Idaho are going to have much more far reaching impacts then just Idaho! Other western states will be having more applicants due to all of this. Just like we have seen Washington go in the turbo-toilet these last 5-10 years and massive amount of Washington hunters are throwing in the towel and hitting the out of state road, Getting out of state tags on a regular basis will soon (already is) be a thing of the past. I have had the luxury of hunting every year in Montana and Wyoming, It will soon be a every other or even a every third year thing! Price hikes will be the next big thing we will see in all these highly sought after non-resident hunting states. Enjoy it while you can fellas!!! Your kids will never be able to do this when they are your age!
The best and most dedicated whitetail hunter that I personally know is archery hunting Washington as a non resident and killing better bucks in Washington than Idaho :yike: :panhandle whitetail hunting probably isn’t worth the price or hassle. I don’t know but it’s pretty interesting. We hunted all of our old “good” spots and found 3-4 mature bucks over a week of hard hunting. That’s not at all like it used to be and wouldn’t be worth the non resident price and hassle to me. I think some Mule deer areas definitely would still be worth it.
Had the same experience this year, very little daytime rut activity and only a couple of decent bucks on my trail cameras all fall.
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I don't hunt Idaho. I only hunt Washington, Montana, and Wyoming, but two guys that work at the same plant as I do have hunted for years in Idaho. These two guys showed up in my office this afternoon wanting to pick my brain on Montana options. So all I have to say is, these non-resident changes and reductions in Idaho are going to have much more far reaching impacts then just Idaho! Other western states will be having more applicants due to all of this. Just like we have seen Washington go in the turbo-toilet these last 5-10 years and massive amount of Washington hunters are throwing in the towel and hitting the out of state road, Getting out of state tags on a regular basis will soon (already is) be a thing of the past. I have had the luxury of hunting every year in Montana and Wyoming, It will soon be a every other or even a every third year thing! Price hikes will be the next big thing we will see in all these highly sought after non-resident hunting states. Enjoy it while you can fellas!!! Your kids will never be able to do this when they are your age!
The best and most dedicated whitetail hunter that I personally know is archery hunting Washington as a non resident and killing better bucks in Washington than Idaho :yike: :panhandle whitetail hunting probably isn’t worth the price or hassle. I don’t know but it’s pretty interesting. We hunted all of our old “good” spots and found 3-4 mature bucks over a week of hard hunting. That’s not at all like it used to be and wouldn’t be worth the non resident price and hassle to me. I think some Mule deer areas definitely would still be worth it.
Had the same experience this year, very little daytime rut activity and only a couple of decent bucks on my trail cameras all fall.
dang! that blows my 2021 plan b out of the water. I was thinking of heading your way next year :chuckle: It was a strange year for sure i have hunted unit 2 and 3 almost 30 years and I dont know that i will ever hunt 2 for deer again.3 is pretty big but is marginal on how much time I will spend there. Its like it fell off a cliff but we did get locked out of some juicy timber propertys this year due to new land purchases so that was a factor too.
On a bright note it has led to me doing a lot more trapping this fall! :tup:
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Looks like almost everything sold out for NR elk - only 643 tags left in zones. But the overall NR quota still has 5019 tags so looks like IDAHO is going to sell 4,376 FEWER NR Elk tags under this new system the way I see it ?
1/3 less NR so will be less crowded which was their goal but less $ means ???
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Looks like almost everything sold out for NR elk - only 643 tags left in zones. But the overall NR quota still has 5019 tags so looks like IDAHO is going to sell 4,376 FEWER NR Elk tags under this new system the way I see it ?
1/3 less NR so will be less crowded which was their goal but less $ means ???
Can they still be bought as second tags by residents?
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Looks like almost everything sold out for NR elk - only 643 tags left in zones. But the overall NR quota still has 5019 tags so looks like IDAHO is going to sell 4,376 FEWER NR Elk tags under this new system the way I see it ?
1/3 less NR so will be less crowded which was their goal but less $ means ???
I doubt Idaho will see less $...they raised prices substantially to offset fewer tags. Between second tag options for residents, higher NR fees on tags and stamps, higher controlled app fees...I don't see them having less money than previous years...probably more.
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Looks like almost everything sold out for NR elk - only 643 tags left in zones. But the overall NR quota still has 5019 tags so looks like IDAHO is going to sell 4,376 FEWER NR Elk tags under this new system the way I see it ?
1/3 less NR so will be less crowded which was their goal but less $ means ???
I doubt Idaho will see less $...they raised prices substantially to offset fewer tags. Between second tag options for residents, higher NR fees on tags and stamps, higher controlled app fees...I don't see them having less money than previous years...probably more.
If those non res tags get sold to residents as second tags, this whole charade won't have done anything to ease crowding. It will just make it more of a resident problem, (crowding). And will probably make things worse. Residents will have local knowledge and more time to scout ahead of season and be more likely to be on the elk right off the get go.
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I do have a question on deer tags. Take the panhandle area.
Who would voluntarily buy a whitetail tag for the panhandle, when they can shoot either a mule deer or a whitetail with the regular tag, assuming there is quota available for both? Seems a little odd to me.
There are even tags in the mountains where both species more readily coexist, where there are still any deer tags available, but still some people have selected the whitetail tags.
Am I missing something or are people just dumb?
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Don't the whitetail tags have a later season, in November?
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I do have a question on deer tags. Take the panhandle area.
Who would voluntarily buy a whitetail tag for the panhandle, when they can shoot either a mule deer or a whitetail with the regular tag, assuming there is quota available for both? Seems a little odd to me.
There are even tags in the mountains where both species more readily coexist, where there are still any deer tags available, but still some people have selected the whitetail tags.
Am I missing something or are people just dumb?
The rut.
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I do have a question on deer tags. Take the panhandle area.
Who would voluntarily buy a whitetail tag for the panhandle, when they can shoot either a mule deer or a whitetail with the regular tag, assuming there is quota available for both? Seems a little odd to me.
There are even tags in the mountains where both species more readily coexist, where there are still any deer tags available, but still some people have selected the whitetail tags.
Am I missing something or are people just dumb?
On the general tag in most areas, you have to hunt the general season and do not get to hunt the white tail rut.
White tail only tag allows you to hunt oct 10th-Nov 20th or Dec 1 with a rifle.
I imagine a pretty big citation if caught hunting with a general tag in November during a white tail only season.... also, non resident general tags only good for particular units now.
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Don't the whitetail tags have a later season, in November?
Yes. In most units
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Don't the whitetail tags have a later season, in November?
Yes. In most units
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Ah, I'm the dumb one.
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Don't the whitetail tags have a later season, in November?
Yes. In most units
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Ah, I'm the dumb one.
Dumb is a little harsh... just say your not thinking clearly because your overwhelmed with the joy of moving to Idaho and blinded by the freedom's that you experience on a day to day basis.
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I do have a question on deer tags. Take the panhandle area.
Who would voluntarily buy a whitetail tag for the panhandle, when they can shoot either a mule deer or a whitetail with the regular tag, assuming there is quota available for both? Seems a little odd to me.
There are even tags in the mountains where both species more readily coexist, where there are still any deer tags available, but still some people have selected the whitetail tags.
Am I missing something or are people just dumb?
you’re not missing anything, people that buy a whitetail tag first in the panhandle are making a dumb move. But not as dumb as the people that bought regular deer tags in units like 14 and 18. They handicapped themselves to only hunting till the 3rd of November. My guess is that they are new to the Idaho game and didn’t know any better.
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Everyone who hunts has different expectations, desires, amount time to hunt, knowledge about where they want to hunt, etc, etc. That's why every tag will likely sell out before season ever gets here!
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I do have a question on deer tags. Take the panhandle area.
Who would voluntarily buy a whitetail tag for the panhandle, when they can shoot either a mule deer or a whitetail with the regular tag, assuming there is quota available for both? Seems a little odd to me.
There are even tags in the mountains where both species more readily coexist, where there are still any deer tags available, but still some people have selected the whitetail tags.
Am I missing something or are people just dumb?
you’re not missing anything, people that buy a whitetail tag first in the panhandle are making a dumb move. But not as dumb as the people that bought regular deer tags in units like 14 and 18. They handicapped themselves to only hunting till the 3rd of November. My guess is that they are new to the Idaho game and didn’t know any better.
Sometimes you wonder how many people who bought those 14 and 18 tags realize they cannot hunt mule deer with that tag? Or maybe it's the people who hunt the private property buying those tags.
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Don't the whitetail tags have a later season, in November?
Yes. In most units
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Ah, I'm the dumb one.
Dumb is a little harsh... just say your not thinking clearly because your overwhelmed with the joy of moving to Idaho and blinded by the freedom's that you experience on a day to day basis.
I think that must be it.
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"looks like IDAHO is going to sell 4,376 FEWER NR Elk tags under this new system the way I see it ?
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My guess is a lot of these tags will sell in the draws for special hunts for non residents.
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They didn't change the total number of tags to non-residents, the new system just put non-resident limits on units to prevent non-resident crowding.
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They didn't change the total number of tags to non-residents, the new system just put non-resident limits on units to prevent non-resident crowding.
But the total of the unit limits is 4490 less than the overal limit which is now meaningless except for surplus tag sales to residents . ????
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Did you add the outfitters set aside?
How about the DAV quota?
How about controlled hunt tags?
Seems like there is another quota I'm missing, but can't remember.
(When you draw a CH tag and turn in a tag you already have it gets added back to the available tags. If you book with an outfitter he will likely ask you to swap tags so he gets credit for using his allocation, then your tag gets swapped for an outfitter tag and the old tag gets added to the available tags to the public.)
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I forget exactly how many outfitters get, but if they are not used by the end of July the public gets the rest of them.
Another thing I forgot to mention, nonresident youth tags are unlimited and not even a part of the non-resident quota, most people do not know that. Additionally, Youth deer tags are also still valid for any general deer unit. If an elk zone or deer unit is sold out you can still buy youth tags for that zone or unit.
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Idaho Non Resident Tag Quota page is saying its sold out totals include Guide tags.
With 4000 + tags available as leftover maybe you coukd get a second tag in a different area but they probably won’t knowingly allow that
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I forget exactly how many outfitters get, but if they are not used by the end of July the public gets the rest of them.
Another thing I forgot to mention, nonresident youth tags are unlimited and not even a part of the non-resident quota, most people do not know that. Additionally, Youth deer tags are also still valid for any general deer unit. If an elk zone or deer unit is sold out you can still buy youth tags for that zone or unit.
Thanks for the youth info. Did not know that. :tup:
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More than anything this has caused, I believe poaching will go sky high in Idaho! Idaho is already a poacher friendly state, now by limiting tags, it will cause even more to become trigger happy without a tag. Just because you limit the amount of tags doesn’t mean you won’t limit the amount of animals killed.
I find it hard to believe this. It implies that a high percentage of hunters would poach given the opportunity. Having grown up in a large hunting community, there's just a tiny amount of people who will poach and they will poach regardless of what the game department is doing.
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I do have a question on deer tags. Take the panhandle area.
Who would voluntarily buy a whitetail tag for the panhandle, when they can shoot either a mule deer or a whitetail with the regular tag, assuming there is quota available for both? Seems a little odd to me.
There are even tags in the mountains where both species more readily coexist, where there are still any deer tags available, but still some people have selected the whitetail tags.
Am I missing something or are people just dumb?
you’re not missing anything, people that buy a whitetail tag first in the panhandle are making a dumb move. But not as dumb as the people that bought regular deer tags in units like 14 and 18. They handicapped themselves to only hunting till the 3rd of November. My guess is that they are new to the Idaho game and didn’t know any better.
Sometimes you wonder how many people who bought those 14 and 18 tags realize they cannot hunt mule deer with that tag? Or maybe it's the people who hunt the private property buying those tags.
It's possible that guys wanted a deer tag to go along with an elk tag so if they saw a whitetail while elk hunting they could shoot it. In 14 at least, whitetail tags are sold out so a regular tag might have been their only choice. If your hunting trip is planned for Oct 10 - Oct 24 around the modern rifle season for elk, and your deer tag is just for the chance of taking a deer on the same hunt, a regular tag is as good as a whitetail tag, especially now that your deer tag is only good for one unit. Either tag will cover you during modern elk season, if you are hunting elk in 14.
Before this year, you might have gotten a reg tag with the idea you'd take a whitetail if you got the chance during elk season in 14, then if you didn't you could switch units and hunt mulies someplace where it was legal. For example, when I elk hunted in 14, I had a whitetail tag, but a couple buddies had regular tags. Once elk season ended, we spent a few days deer hunting in 19A so they could look for mulies. Its right next door and we stayed in the same camp while we did that. Now that you are confined to one unit for deer, that option isn't available.
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I forget exactly how many outfitters get, but if they are not used by the end of July the public gets the rest of them.
Another thing I forgot to mention, nonresident youth tags are unlimited and not even a part of the non-resident quota, most people do not know that. Additionally, Youth deer tags are also still valid for any general deer unit. If an elk zone or deer unit is sold out you can still buy youth tags for that zone or unit.
Thanks for the youth info. Did not know that. :tup:
I didn't either. Might be the year to get Little Pathfinder out of school for a couple of days... He has way better luck than me... :chuckle:
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Idaho Non Resident Tag Quota page is saying its sold out totals include Guide tags.
With 4000 + tags available as leftover maybe you coukd get a second tag in a different area but they probably won’t knowingly allow that
I can tell you for certain that this year the individual quotas for each outfitter have not even been figured out yet, they are not even available to sell yet. You can't buy second deer or elk tags until Aug 1, even though I doubt any tags will remain at that time, any returned tags after Aug 1 could be purchased as a second tag the way I understand it.