Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021

[fishngamereaper]

As far as deer goes I think the system locked all tags once general tags sold out..once they figured out what was left they re opened the whitetail only category.  My buddy caught them mid stride.

They did update the system today to reflect general deer as sold out...

[idaho guy]

I just wrote a letter to IDFG, just cause this makes no sense.

Unit by Unit quotas add up to 11,724, which if we look at their website, all but 80 are claimed.  Meaning that 11,644 have already been allocated.  Their top line figure says they have 2,901 tags available out of 12,815 possible tags, indicating that only 9,914 tags have actually been claimed, a discrepancy of 1,730 tags. 

Not only is it unclear how the extra tags will be made available, but is also unclear how they have 2,901 remaining if 11,644/12,815 are already claimed.

Oof, someone needs an accountant.

   

Great another out of stater just changed his address and will show Idaho a thing or two about how to run things in this state!!  Just kidding I'm about 99.9% sure it all adds up but I didn't even look at it. Probably missing something in the total like outfitter allocation, or other tags not listed.  if not I agree its a major screw up   

I'm ALL about government accountability.  Heck, this doesn't even apply to me anymore!

Still this whole 10-5+2 =11 thing just doesn't quite work in my small brain.

My personal opinion is they've been intentionally vague about it and intend to sell remaining out of state permits as second tags to residents.  We'll see.

👍 no problem I realize your are now an Idaho resident. I was making a joke because everyone wants to move here because of how things are here then they immediately want to change things and hold people “accountable”. I believe you are missing something and I am 99.9 percent positive they aren’t holding tags back for second tags for residents and they have the math correct for the exact numbers of tags and units. Maybe the websites got something screwed up temporarily but I’m pretty sure they understand the tag totals and how that’s distributed among units. If I am wrong then you are correct that’s a major screw up and you should hold them accountable. Everyone should. Post up there response when you get it

[Jimmy33]

I just wrote a letter to IDFG, just cause this makes no sense.

Unit by Unit quotas add up to 11,724, which if we look at their website, all but 80 are claimed.  Meaning that 11,644 have already been allocated.  Their top line figure says they have 2,901 tags available out of 12,815 possible tags, indicating that only 9,914 tags have actually been claimed, a discrepancy of 1,730 tags. 

Not only is it unclear how the extra tags will be made available, but is also unclear how they have 2,901 remaining if 11,644/12,815 are already claimed.

Oof, someone needs an accountant.

   

Great another out of stater just changed his address and will show Idaho a thing or two about how to run things in this state!!  Just kidding I'm about 99.9% sure it all adds up but I didn't even look at it. Probably missing something in the total like outfitter allocation, or other tags not listed.  if not I agree its a major screw up   

I'm ALL about government accountability.  Heck, this doesn't even apply to me anymore!

Still this whole 10-5+2 =11 thing just doesn't quite work in my small brain.

My personal opinion is they've been intentionally vague about it and intend to sell remaining out of state permits as second tags to residents.  We'll see.

👍 no problem I realize your are now an Idaho resident. I was making a joke because everyone wants to move here because of how things are here then they immediately want to change things and hold people “accountable”. I believe you are missing something and I am 99.9 percent positive they aren’t holding tags back for second tags for residents and they have the math correct for the exact numbers of tags and units. Maybe the websites got something screwed up temporarily but I’m pretty sure they understand the tag totals and how that’s distributed among units. If I am wrong then you are correct that’s a major screw up and you should hold them accountable. Everyone should. Post up there response when you get it

I agree...i dont think there is anything fishy going on...the tags just went fast. Idaho does a good job of listening to hunter ideas, even non-residents, and incorporating them. I think they are pretty transparent for a government agency.


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[idaho guy]

I just wrote a letter to IDFG, just cause this makes no sense.

Unit by Unit quotas add up to 11,724, which if we look at their website, all but 80 are claimed.  Meaning that 11,644 have already been allocated.  Their top line figure says they have 2,901 tags available out of 12,815 possible tags, indicating that only 9,914 tags have actually been claimed, a discrepancy of 1,730 tags. 

Not only is it unclear how the extra tags will be made available, but is also unclear how they have 2,901 remaining if 11,644/12,815 are already claimed.

Oof, someone needs an accountant.

   

Great another out of stater just changed his address and will show Idaho a thing or two about how to run things in this state!!  Just kidding I'm about 99.9% sure it all adds up but I didn't even look at it. Probably missing something in the total like outfitter allocation, or other tags not listed.  if not I agree its a major screw up   

I'm ALL about government accountability.  Heck, this doesn't even apply to me anymore!

Still this whole 10-5+2 =11 thing just doesn't quite work in my small brain.

My personal opinion is they've been intentionally vague about it and intend to sell remaining out of state permits as second tags to residents.  We'll see.

 

One more thing. You have been an Idaho resident for months it’s about time you started showing Idaho how to run things. Tell them how you always did things in Washington they love that kind of direction  or you could just enjoy your new freedoms that your new address provided

[Jonathan_S]

I just wrote a letter to IDFG, just cause this makes no sense.

Unit by Unit quotas add up to 11,724, which if we look at their website, all but 80 are claimed.  Meaning that 11,644 have already been allocated.  Their top line figure says they have 2,901 tags available out of 12,815 possible tags, indicating that only 9,914 tags have actually been claimed, a discrepancy of 1,730 tags. 

Not only is it unclear how the extra tags will be made available, but is also unclear how they have 2,901 remaining if 11,644/12,815 are already claimed.

Oof, someone needs an accountant.

   

Great another out of stater just changed his address and will show Idaho a thing or two about how to run things in this state!!  Just kidding I'm about 99.9% sure it all adds up but I didn't even look at it. Probably missing something in the total like outfitter allocation, or other tags not listed.  if not I agree its a major screw up   

I'm ALL about government accountability.  Heck, this doesn't even apply to me anymore!

Still this whole 10-5+2 =11 thing just doesn't quite work in my small brain.

My personal opinion is they've been intentionally vague about it and intend to sell remaining out of state permits as second tags to residents.  We'll see.

 

One more thing. You have been an Idaho resident for months it’s about time you started showing Idaho how to run things. Tell them how you always did things in Washington they love that kind of direction  or you could just enjoy your new freedoms that your new address provided

Idaho can math too.

[7mmfan]

I could be wrong (it's happened before) but I think there are at least a few areas with unlimited non-res A-tags that account for that total quota discrepancy. Salmon A-tag used to be that way, but I believe it changed last year.

[luvmystang67]

To be crystal clear....

We know the NR TOTAL cap is 12,815 as it has always been.

We know that the total sum of the available zone permits is 11,724 and we know that currently all but 80 of those are taken from the zone breakdown here: https://idfg.idaho.gov/tag/quotas/nonresident/elk

That means AT LEAST 11,644 tags have been issued to NR if those zones are sold out.  That would imply that there are 1,171 remaining, but that same website says there are over 2,900 remaining.

So, even if we ignore that there aren't enough zone spaces available to meet the 12,815 (which could be due to outfitter tags, magic unlimited zones or whatever), the current math absolutely does not stack up.

Perhaps its just an update cycle issue, but the numbers they have shared cannot possibly be correct with the definitions they have given. 

I'm not saying there's any wrongdoing here, but the math doesn't work as described and I wish they'd be about 1000x more transparent with the data they're sharing.  Perhaps they reserved space in each zone for outfitters and removed that from the total at the start, I have no idea, but they should be clear if that is what they did.

I challenge any person to explain how their current quota numbers tie... shouldn't we be able to tie them?  If I did my taxes like this the IRS would be all over me.

[Magnum_Willys]

When they did the zone limits its was based on limiting percent of non-res in per unit, they didn't take the step of allocating portions of overall nr tags so they won't use all the overall quota until second tag or second chance draw.  They will likely tweak it next year so total of all units equals overall quota.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Maybe their goal is to simply sell those to residents at non-resident prices, which becomes available after I think August 1 every year for residents if non-residents don't buy them all as second elk tags.  If so, that is just a real tease... they should just make a different category of tag.  What a pain in the butt though.

Those non res tags can only be used in one unit and each unit is capped. So if all the units' quotas have been reached, A resident shouldn't be able to hunt them with a non res tag either.  If a resident is allowed to shoot two deer in a unit with a resident and a non resident tag, tell me how this reduces pressure any more than if another non resident hunter used that tag in the same unit?  I could see a court challenge if they allowed that.

[Karl Blanchard]

If only we had the technology to call idaho fish and game and ask them instead of just guessing and speculating....oh wait 

[idaho guy]

If only we had the technology to call idaho fish and game and ask them instead of just guessing and speculating....oh wait 

 

[luvmystang67]

When they did the zone limits its was based on limiting percent of non-res in per unit, they didn't take the step of allocating portions of overall nr tags so they won't use all the overall quota until second tag or second chance draw.  They will likely tweak it next year so total of all units equals overall quota.

Sure, I buy this, but in their press release they give you a target of a reduction in "over 600 elk tags sold to nonresidents in general elk hunts based on current participation rates,".
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/fg-commission-approves-changes-nonresident-participation-general-season-deer-and-elk-hunts

12,815 previous total - 11,724 total zone caps = 1,091 tags reduced. 

So, sure, they're not technically wrong, but they probably should've said "over 1,000 elk tags" if they were trying to portray it accurately.  Or if they want to talk general elk hunts and controlled elk hunts separately, they could've said "over 1,000 elk tags total, with 600 in general units and 400 in controlled units"

Its not like they didn't know... they set the quotas and made the rules.  They knew what the specific number was in general units, but left it vague. 

Why did they choose to be unspecific?

If I could bet my elk tag, I would bet my tag on the idea that they're going to make all of the "extra" NR quota available to residents at the NR price.

Also, I fail to understand why me being bothered by this bothers people so much?  I did write them, I'm just not willing to sit in their phone tree.  There are specific numbers here and they're either dumb or being intentionally vague about it, neither is really acceptable.

[idaho guy]

Non resident dav tags don’t count against the number of tags issued in limited elk zones. I finally looked for 1 minute at the non res tags on the website. That accounts for at least  some maybe most ? of the differences

[idaho guy]

Non resident dav tags don’t count against the number of tags issued in limited elk zones. I finally looked for 1 minute at the non res tags on the website. That accounts for at least  some maybe most ? of the differences

 

I looked it’s only 300 but that’s part of your math problem

[Karl Blanchard]

I don't believe anyone is bothered by it we just find it mildly comical that  Instead of just making a simple phone call You've gone with a high volume of posts here.  Remember its innocent UNTIL proven guilty. Call your local licensing office 

 I am highly doubting that they are reserving non resident tags for residents. They make more money selling them to non residents