Post by: Scruffy on December 14, 2021, 09:03:07 PM
At tonight's WDFW public meeting the WDFW Director stated that there is a petition to establish a spring 2022 bear season to be voted on during the Jan 21 2022 commission meeting and that it is imperative to let the commissioners know your position or they may not take up the petition.
Here is a link to contact the commission: https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact Hope this helps.
i
Washington Department of FISH and WILDLIFE
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Post by: elkrack on December 14, 2021, 10:13:59 PM
Mods can you guys send out pms site wide cause not everyone reads the bear thread?
Post by: DryFlyGuy on December 14, 2021, 10:20:17 PM
Post by: bullfever on December 14, 2021, 10:34:27 PM
Post by: huntnnw on December 14, 2021, 10:35:01 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 14, 2021, 10:36:42 PM
Message sent!
Mods can you guys send out pms site wide cause not everyone reads the bear thread?
I do not have that ability :sry:
Post by: elkrack on December 14, 2021, 10:38:40 PM
Message sent!
Mods can you guys send out pms site wide cause not everyone reads the bear thread?
I do not have that ability :sry:
Better start sending individuals :chuckle:
Post by: Mulie87 on December 14, 2021, 10:41:06 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 15, 2021, 01:16:27 AM
Message sent. I saw in today's Spokesman review that one of the anti hunting commissioners has stepped down. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/dec/13/washington-wildlife-commissioner-resigns-citing-po/Good good.
Taken out the 🗑
That kettle range conservation
"He was a champion"
He was a joke ,a laughing stock,resigns because of political reasons,well don't let your political emotion get in the way of science.
Can't take the heat ,get out the kitchen ,is all this is.
YOU ARE THR WEAKEST LINK,BYE BYE NOW.
You'll be missed by no one .
Post by: 92xj on December 15, 2021, 05:11:02 AM
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 15, 2021, 06:13:18 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 15, 2021, 06:32:38 AM
Post by: Rob on December 15, 2021, 06:35:58 AM
I understand there is a petition to establish a spring 2022 bear season to be voted on during the Jan 21 2022 commission meeting. I strongly request that this is taken up and re-assessed. It appears that the cancelation of this season was made in haste, and based on feelings rather than data.
As an active Hunters Education Instructor and Master Hunter I have been giving back to the WDFW and hunting community for many years and this is the first time I have taken the time to reach out in this manner. I am hopeful that this wrong can be righted and with that decision a some restoration of faith in Fish and Wildlife leadership by the hunting community.
Post by: RugerRay on December 15, 2021, 06:40:38 AM
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Post by: ShedHead20 on December 15, 2021, 07:43:15 AM
"I understand there is a petition to establish a 2022 Spring Bear Special Permit Season and to be voted on during the Jan 21, 2022, commission meeting. I strongly request that this is re-assessed and voted in favor of a 2022 Special Permit Spring Bear Season. I have been a licensed hunter for 20 years in Washington and given many dollars in the form of tags, licenses, special permits, raffles, and discover passes. It would be a disservice to ALL of our state’s great sportsmen and sportswomen to take away yet another hunting and fishing opportunity. Your own commission even states that this decision was not made of science or by biologist recommendations. WDFW is agreeing and siding with people who are NOT sportsmen and sportswomen and who, for the majority, have NOT contributed to WDFW funds in anyway. Some of which are not even from the State of Washington.
Please unsuspend and vote in favor of the 2022 Spring Bear Special Permit."
Everyone should take 5 mins to do this. You can even copy and paste mine.
Post by: lewy on December 15, 2021, 07:44:19 AM
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Post by: Weatherby92 on December 15, 2021, 08:07:16 AM
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2021, 08:24:31 AM
I seen this on FB tonight and didn't see anyone talking about it here so wanted to share.
At tonight's WDFW public meeting the WDFW Director stated that there is a petition to establish a spring 2022 bear season to be voted on during the Jan 21 2022 commission meeting and that it is imperative to let the commissioners know your position or they may not take up the petition.
Here is a link to contact the commission: https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact Hope this helps.
i
Washington Department of FISH and WILDLIFE
Anyone know what day this was stated or which topic they were speaking about?
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021
The last commission meeting was the Dec 2-4 so it would have to be a different one.
Post by: RB on December 15, 2021, 08:27:02 AM
Post by: Stein on December 15, 2021, 08:29:51 AM
Should we also be contacting our friend Larry to suggest he reconsider his vote?
Post by: saylean on December 15, 2021, 08:33:22 AM
This is the only petition I know of currently. Like special t said, I’d like to see the meeting where this was stated. Regardless we should all be contacting the commission about this showing our disgust with the vote and desire for a spring bear season.
Post by: RB on December 15, 2021, 08:37:37 AM
I'm slow, is there an actual petition to sign or just comment through the link in the 1st post?
Should we also be contacting our friend Larry to suggest he reconsider his vote?
I followed the link in the first post that takes you to the comment page for the commissioners, then pasted the comment from word that I had typed up. It has you fill in name, address, ETC. then a place for comment, and to add a file if need be. In a nut shell asked them to add spring bear to the agenda in January and vote with the science not the emotion. :twocents:
Post by: harveymarv on December 15, 2021, 08:49:53 AM
Post by: Scruffy on December 15, 2021, 08:50:44 AM
I seen this on FB tonight and didn't see anyone talking about it here so wanted to share.
At tonight's WDFW public meeting the WDFW Director stated that there is a petition to establish a spring 2022 bear season to be voted on during the Jan 21 2022 commission meeting and that it is imperative to let the commissioners know your position or they may not take up the petition.
Here is a link to contact the commission: https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact Hope this helps.
i
Washington Department of FISH and WILDLIFE
Anyone know what day this was stated or which topic they were speaking about?
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021
The last commission meeting was the Dec 2-4 so it would have to be a different one.
I seen it posted yesterday 12/14 and the post was an hour old. I agree we don't know what meeting the OP was referring to. Maybe I was being too hopeful but it does talk about a vote on Jan 21, 22. Can someone find out to verify there is a vote on Jan 21st? Either way we are making some noise to the commission.
Post by: The Fin on December 15, 2021, 08:52:11 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 15, 2021, 08:56:38 AM
I'm slow, is there an actual petition to sign or just comment through the link in the 1st post?
Should we also be contacting our friend Larry to suggest he reconsider his vote?
I believe it is a formal petition, not the change.org petition. I am not sure who, or how many have been submitted, but this is the form and the RCW
https://ofm.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/legacy/reports/petition.pdf (https://ofm.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/legacy/reports/petition.pdf)
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=34.05.330 (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=34.05.330)
Post by: X-Force on December 15, 2021, 09:08:12 AM
Took 10 min.
Post by: Bullkllr on December 15, 2021, 09:38:25 AM
We need to keep this going.
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
Post by: saylean on December 15, 2021, 09:49:16 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 15, 2021, 09:58:53 AM
I hate to be a Buzz kill but the directors statement seems to refute this. go to the 14 min 30 second mark
This video was from the 12/7 South Central open house. The more recent open house on 12/14 provided more information.
Here is a link to a clip I pulled from the most recent open house meeting. Sounds like the petition information may be more recent than the 12/7 meeting.
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2021, 10:10:16 AM
I hate to be a Buzz kill but the directors statement seems to refute this. go to the 14 min 30 second mark
This video was from the 12/7 South Central open house. The more recent open house on 12/14 provided more information.
Here is a link to a clip I pulled from the most recent open house meeting. Sounds like the petition information may be more recent than the 12/7 meeting.
Great find, its not yet posted on the WDFW youtube page
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 15, 2021, 10:21:45 AM
Post by: LongBomb on December 15, 2021, 10:29:45 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 15, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
I am writing to let you know I am strongly in favor of a spring bear season as vital management tool for our state wildlife. I would suggest that you look at expanding the spring bear season to other units. Since the ban on baiting bears went into effect it has become increasingly difficult to field judge bears and make sure you are taking out mature males. You need to have time to do that and what is happening now is bears are being taken by opportunity only, not by targeting mature males or females without cubs. A broader spring bear season would give hunters more time to view more bears and make sound decisions on whether to take a bear or not. The bear population must be kept in check to allow our ungulate population to be at its target levels as well.
I hope that you will look at reinstating the spring bear season and will also look to expand the GMU's that are open for spring bear hunting in the name of sound wildlife management.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 15, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
Post by: buckfvr on December 15, 2021, 11:28:58 AM
That should not have been allowed.
Post by: Viking360 on December 15, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
Post by: Cougeyes on December 15, 2021, 11:52:57 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 15, 2021, 11:59:03 AM
We need to send a loud clear message that will let the entire commission know this is a hot topic and they should all vote in favor of it. I assure you the opposite side is going to be expressing there desire to keep the season cancelled and will be in full force knowing they are down a vote. They are going to try very hard to swing more votes in their favor.
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 15, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
I didn't see anyone mention this. My understanding is on 21 January, the commission has to either accept the formal petition that is challenging the rule making decision on spring bear (likely reinstating the season for 2022), or deny the petition (not having a 2022 season). With Koontz gone there are 7 commissioners, 3 of which voted against spring bear and 4 that voted to have the hunt. If this petition is voted on, then I would surely hope that the original 4 that voted in favor of having the spring bear hunt would all vote in favor again.
From what I gathered from what Director Susewind said in the video clip above is that the original proposal for the 2022 season is done and over with. The petition is to propose a new rule for a 2022 season.
I am guessing now, but I think that if the commission accepts the petition that the WDFW would then come back with a proposal for a 2022 season (likely the same proposal they originally presented). But not knowing what the petition says this is pure speculation.
Post by: Tbar on December 15, 2021, 12:02:54 PM
I didn't see anyone mention this. My understanding is on 21 January, the commission has to either accept the formal petition that is challenging the rule making decision on spring bear (likely reinstating the season for 2022), or deny the petition (not having a 2022 season). With Koontz gone there are 7 commissioners, 3 of which voted against spring bear and 4 that voted to have the hunt. If this petition is voted on, then I would surely hope that the original 4 that voted in favor of having the spring bear hunt would all vote in favor again.What are the rules when a topic is brought back? Does it need a new cr101? Cr102? Also what are the timelines for a response vs an action?
Post by: trophyhunt on December 15, 2021, 12:06:29 PM
My mom is so cool! She just submitted her comments, emailed our legislators as well as the governors office to urge all parties to manage based on science and follow the wdfw bio's recommendation to have a 2022 spring season. AS A NON HUNTER!God bless her!!! That's very cool.
Post by: Russ McDonald on December 15, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 15, 2021, 12:59:07 PM
Imagine that a turkey organization is going to get involved with bear hunting. I contacted the NWTF and we are sending a letter to the commission. I am also asking that it also gets sent to the governor. Even if people don't hunt bear we should all be involved. This is just a prelude to what could be coming.good to hear! Their attacks are incremental and what's starts with bears will end with small game and birds. All these organizations should be speaking up.
Post by: Goose74 on December 15, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
Post by: mcrawfordaf on December 15, 2021, 01:10:07 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 15, 2021, 01:13:47 PM
Imagine that a turkey organization is going to get involved with bear hunting. I contacted the NWTF and we are sending a letter to the commission. I am also asking that it also gets sent to the governor. Even if people don't hunt bear we should all be involved. This is just a prelude to what could be coming.Thanks Russ. I think it's worth noting that the deviation started with forest grouse. Blatant disregard and arbitrary decision. There was some great conversation on here about that decision but little to no action at the commission. The GMAC provided input to the commission but it seemed to fall on deaf ears.
Post by: lewy on December 15, 2021, 01:18:55 PM
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Post by: Rbob on December 15, 2021, 06:47:01 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
Post by: harveymarv on December 15, 2021, 07:16:07 PM
"Good afternoon Mr. Cannon,
On December 10, 2021, the Department of Fish and Wildlife received a petition from you requesting repeal of the “Commission vote on WAC 220-415-080 resulting in removal of 2022 Spring Bear Hunting Season.
The Commission will formally consider your petition as one of our agenda items during a web conference scheduled Friday, January 21, 2021, at 1:00 p.m. You can find the link, when available, to listen to the meeting on the Commission’s website here.
No public input will be accepted during the meeting. It will be recorded, and the audio/video will be available on the Commission website the following week. You will be sent a letter with information about the outcome immediately following the Commission’s decision.
Attached is your petition and initial letter for consideration. If you have additional questions please let me know.
Thank you for bringing your concerns forward and proposing solutions through the rule making process.
Happy Holidays!
Nikki Kloepfer
Fish and Wildlife Commission"
Post by: jackelope on December 15, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 15, 2021, 08:41:35 PM
Like midday today ,I'll go check and make sure I got confirmation in a min.
Mine was short and sweet.
Reinstate spring bear or revote ,harvest is minimal ,blah,ect,blah.
Post by: Lucky1 on December 15, 2021, 09:07:14 PM
I don’t hunt spring bear.
:tup:
Post by: hunter399 on December 15, 2021, 09:13:09 PM
I'll go on there later tonite or mourning ,go to WDFW website and fill out contact form ,and cut and paste my email from today.
I sent it to
Commission@dfw.gov
Email I used before ,but maybe with increased email traffic lately ,I'll have to go with contact form,so that I get that canned email confirmation.
Post by: Scruffy on December 15, 2021, 09:15:14 PM
Post by: snake on December 15, 2021, 09:16:03 PM
I contacted them to encourage them to have a spring bear season.No ones perfect! :)
I don’t hunt spring bear.
:tup:
Post by: hunter399 on December 15, 2021, 09:21:29 PM
Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea ,but I've went down that path before on agenda I was trying push at the commission.
I will say Goodluck with it ,send out more emails.
But you might be surprised how little they care about your fight. But never hurts to try .
That kettle range conservation that called the recent Commissioner that steped down a "champion" would be a perfect example of about two faced as it gets.
Post by: hunter399 on December 15, 2021, 10:21:12 PM
Short and sweet.
Please put spring bear hunt at the top of the agenda.
Please reinstate or revote for spring season.
Spring Bear harvest is very minimal.
That's it ,that's all I put. I'm not writing an essay on it.
But will throw my support in .
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2021, 11:32:48 PM
Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea ,but I've went down that path before on agenda I was trying push at the commission.
I will say Goodluck with it ,send out more emails.
But you might be surprised how little they care about your fight. But never hurts to try .
That kettle range conservation that called the recent Commissioner that steped down a "champion" would be a perfect example of about two faced as it gets.
Most Criter organizations are habitat focused. They have Zero desire to get into advocacy if the answer isnt habitat. Some may be better than others at how much $ stays in state and what they accomplish but they will avoid advocacy on predators with as much tact and Texas 2 step as possible.
IMO we need Advocates that support sportsmen rights and Predator control.
Post by: hunter399 on December 16, 2021, 06:02:06 AM
I Agree we need advocates that sportsman opportunity.Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea ,but I've went down that path before on agenda I was trying push at the commission.
I will say Goodluck with it ,send out more emails.
But you might be surprised how little they care about your fight. But never hurts to try .
That kettle range conservation that called the recent Commissioner that steped down a "champion" would be a perfect example of about two faced as it gets.
Most Criter organizations are habitat focused. They have Zero desire to get into advocacy if the answer isnt habitat. Some may be better than others at how much $ stays in state and what they accomplish but they will avoid advocacy on predators with as much tact and Texas 2 step as possible.
IMO we need Advocates that support sportsmen rights and Predator control.
Bottom line,That represents. I'm not giving money to political crap.
Post by: jackelope on December 16, 2021, 07:36:11 AM
Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I have some contacts with the local MDF. I'm assuming they're still involved, but it's been a few years. I'll report back with what they have to say.
Post by: Special T on December 16, 2021, 09:40:02 AM
I Agree we need advocates that sportsman opportunity.Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea ,but I've went down that path before on agenda I was trying push at the commission.
I will say Goodluck with it ,send out more emails.
But you might be surprised how little they care about your fight. But never hurts to try .
That kettle range conservation that called the recent Commissioner that steped down a "champion" would be a perfect example of about two faced as it gets.
Most Criter organizations are habitat focused. They have Zero desire to get into advocacy if the answer isnt habitat. Some may be better than others at how much $ stays in state and what they accomplish but they will avoid advocacy on predators with as much tact and Texas 2 step as possible.
IMO we need Advocates that support sportsmen rights and Predator control.
Bottom line,That represents. I'm not giving money to political crap.
Saying i dont like politics because of xyz reason or group is ceeding the ground to your opponet. I get it, its a messy and you can get burned. As sportsmennwe have to educate ourselves and or find groups you can trust. Groups like you stated exert political will even tho they come across as softer and more reasonable. Sportsmen has been on the defensive side for too long. It good to see people fired up.
Post by: TRD1911 on December 16, 2021, 09:54:25 AM
Post by: raydog on December 16, 2021, 10:03:55 AM
Below is the response I received today, to the petition I submitted (i'll try to attach). I believe other individuals and organizations have, or are in the process of, submitting similar petitions. Hopefully all of these drops in the bucket will flood ol Lorna out and get us our bear season back, and send a message. I realize my letter only makes a couple of the many points that can be made, and I only mention one law when many have been broken, but I wanted to keep this petition simple and to the point (and I'm no lawyer). I'll be listening to the meeting Jan 21. I am not surprised it is not open to public comment. Let's keep the pressure on!"
"Good afternoon Mr. Cannon,
On December 10, 2021, the Department of Fish and Wildlife received a petition from you requesting repeal of the “Commission vote on WAC 220-415-080 resulting in removal of 2022 Spring Bear Hunting Season.
The Commission will formally consider your petition as one of our agenda items during a web conference scheduled Friday, January 21, 2021, at 1:00 p.m. You can find the link, when available, to listen to the meeting on the Commission’s website here.
No public input will be accepted during the meeting. It will be recorded, and the audio/video will be available on the Commission website the following week. You will be sent a letter with information about the outcome immediately following the Commission’s decision.
Attached is your petition and initial letter for consideration. If you have additional questions please let me know.
Thank you for bringing your concerns forward and proposing solutions through the rule making process.
Happy Holidays!
Nikki Kloepfer
Fish and Wildlife Commission"
Did you mail in the form for the official petition? Or were you able to do it online. I’d like to figure out how to fill out this petition.
Post by: pickardjw on December 16, 2021, 10:20:41 AM
I am writing in favor of the petition to reinstate the 2022 Spring Bear season to be discussed and voted on during the January 21, 2022 meeting. Per RCW 77.04.055, "The commission shall maximize fishing, hunting, and outdoor recreational opportunities compatible with healthy and diverse fish and wildlife populations." All available data from the WDFW indicates that the Spring Bear hunt complies with the latter part of this statute and is not detrimental to overall bear populations. Furthermore, it is a limited tag, draw only hunt in specific areas where bear numbers well above objective and/or a known detriment other parts of the ecosystem. Management of predators is critical to the recovery of our ungulate species.
I would ask that Commission members abstain from letting their personal convictions about predator hunting affect their vote, and that they vote in accordance with the recommendations of the WDFW and GMAC.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 16, 2021, 10:24:02 AM
Done. My letter for anyone that needs a template:Very well written. thanks for posting.
I am writing in favor of the petition to reinstate the 2022 Spring Bear season to be discussed and voted on during the January 21, 2022 meeting. Per RCW 77.04.055, "The commission shall maximize fishing, hunting, and outdoor recreational opportunities compatible with healthy and diverse fish and wildlife populations." All available data from the WDFW indicates that the Spring Bear hunt complies with the latter part of this statute and is not detrimental to overall bear populations. Furthermore, it is a limited tag, draw only hunt in specific areas where bear numbers well above objective and/or a known detriment other parts of the ecosystem. Management of predators is critical to the recovery of our ungulate species.
I would ask that Commission members abstain from letting their personal convictions about predator hunting affect their vote, and that they vote in accordance with the recommendations of the WDFW and GMAC.
Post by: jowings22 on December 16, 2021, 10:24:08 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on December 16, 2021, 11:13:30 AM
Post by: harveymarv on December 16, 2021, 12:01:11 PM
Below is the response I received today, to the petition I submitted (i'll try to attach). I believe other individuals and organizations have, or are in the process of, submitting similar petitions. Hopefully all of these drops in the bucket will flood ol Lorna out and get us our bear season back, and send a message. I realize my letter only makes a couple of the many points that can be made, and I only mention one law when many have been broken, but I wanted to keep this petition simple and to the point (and I'm no lawyer). I'll be listening to the meeting Jan 21. I am not surprised it is not open to public comment. Let's keep the pressure on!"
"Good afternoon Mr. Cannon,
On December 10, 2021, the Department of Fish and Wildlife received a petition from you requesting repeal of the “Commission vote on WAC 220-415-080 resulting in removal of 2022 Spring Bear Hunting Season.
The Commission will formally consider your petition as one of our agenda items during a web conference scheduled Friday, January 21, 2021, at 1:00 p.m. You can find the link, when available, to listen to the meeting on the Commission’s website here.
No public input will be accepted during the meeting. It will be recorded, and the audio/video will be available on the Commission website the following week. You will be sent a letter with information about the outcome immediately following the Commission’s decision.
Attached is your petition and initial letter for consideration. If you have additional questions please let me know.
Thank you for bringing your concerns forward and proposing solutions through the rule making process.
Happy Holidays!
Nikki Kloepfer
Fish and Wildlife Commission"
Did you mail in the form for the official petition? Or were you able to do it online. I’d like to figure out how to fill out this petition.
i mailed it in. my completed petition is attached to my other post.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 16, 2021, 12:01:39 PM
Got a reply from Nikki saying comments had been forwarded.
Keep the emails going in and make sure our voice is heard.
Post by: Stein on December 16, 2021, 12:12:13 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 16, 2021, 12:14:15 PM
Bumping this one to keep it on the recent topics banner.:yeah:
Got a reply from Nikki saying comments had been forwarded.
Keep the emails going in and make sure our voice is heard.
Not to cast doubt but there is a high likelihood that the petition does not create an action. Even if this is the case it's imperative to maintain the momentum created so on future issues there is an opportunity to be proactive vs reactive.
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2021, 09:17:39 PM
Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I have some contacts with the local MDF. I'm assuming they're still involved, but it's been a few years. I'll report back with what they have to say.
We need to light a fire under their asses, remind them the online petition got over 5000 votes
Post by: dwils233 on December 16, 2021, 11:32:30 PM
The other one was drafted by Inland Northwest Wildlife Council and co-signed by BHA, Wenatchee Sportsmen's Association, Inland Empire SCI, Hunters Heritage Council, WWC, Meateater and Blood Origins.
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 17, 2021, 07:25:14 AM
Quick question:
In your post you mentioned one of the co-signers as 'WCW'
Who is that?...
My only knowledge of a 'WCW' is Wildlife Committee of Washington in Bothell. (aka Kenmore Gun Range aka wcwshootingsports)
Thank-you
Post by: dwils233 on December 17, 2021, 07:48:10 AM
Hi dwils233,
Quick question:
In your post you mentioned one of the co-signers as 'WCW'
Who is that?...
My only knowledge of a 'WCW' is Wildlife Committee of Washington in Bothell. (aka Kenmore Gun Range aka wcwshootingsports)
Thank-you
I got my acronym mixed up. Should be WWC- washingtonian's for Wildlife conservation
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 17, 2021, 07:49:00 AM
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 17, 2021, 10:38:06 AM
Thank you for your response.
WWC (W4WC) is a great organization.
They have done terrific work for hunters over many years.
To my knowledge, WCW, aka Wildlife Committee of Washington, aka Kenmore Range, aka wcwshootingsports, has not had an active Hunting or Conservation Committee for years.
Thank you for all you are doing to help on this issue.
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2021, 12:01:52 PM
Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I have some contacts with the local MDF. I'm assuming they're still involved, but it's been a few years. I'll report back with what they have to say.
We need to light a fire under their asses, remind them the online petition got over 5000 votes
Uhh. It’s about to break 20k signatures.
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Post by: bobbydean on December 17, 2021, 12:18:47 PM
Just throwing this out there. Is anyone involved with the Mule Deer Foundation or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation enough to get these groups to support us? There may be other conservation groups that I am not aware of. But if they will support us by writing the WDFW it may help. We doing it as individual is good but if we had organizations backing us it would be even better. I belong to the RMEF but wouldn't know who to contact or probably could explain it well enough to get them to get involved. The more voice the better.
I have some contacts with the local MDF. I'm assuming they're still involved, but it's been a few years. I'll report back with what they have to say.
We need to light a fire under their asses, remind them the online petition got over 5000 votes
Uhh. It’s about to break 20k signatures.
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I started that petition. Glad to see it is doing well.
Post by: KFhunter on December 17, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 17, 2021, 01:29:13 PM
I said over 5000 :chuckle:"About 20,000" is way more impressive than "over 5,000". :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 17, 2021, 01:58:23 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 17, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
I hope people don't get confident in the appearance of momentum.
Keep the emails going to the commission.
Post by: pickardjw on December 17, 2021, 02:13:34 PM
No doubt, its gained a lot of signatures since I signed it.
That was the tipping point that got me to sign it :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on December 17, 2021, 03:51:43 PM
I am still concerned that the anti's will know they are down a vote and will rally harder than sportsman.Ya that :yeah:
I hope people don't get confident in the appearance of momentum.
Keep the emails going to the commission.
I think we are at a tipping point and we need to slam dunk this.
Keeping the emails going strong 💪 is the way.
Even if you have emailed and asked for a revote ,do it again,do it daily.
I know it sounds crazy,but the squeaky wheel will get the grease.
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2021, 12:03:31 AM
I said over 5000 :chuckle:You frikkin nailed it, bud.
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 18, 2021, 04:57:35 AM
I found the SCI letter / link to send the Commission with the SCI view of the issue.
Also saw the letter posted by W4WC that explained how to send a letter to the Commission in support of the Inland Northwest Council's petition.
It's been good to see the multiple petitions sent in to the Commission and to be able to find how to support those petitions.
Thank-you to everyone.
Post by: nwhunter on December 18, 2021, 08:10:52 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 20, 2021, 04:24:35 AM
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All:
This is a screen shot, so the web site is not a direct link. I think it was two days ago that one of the anti spring bear hunt voters on the game commission resigned. That suddenly leaves the four commissioners that voted for the bear season with a 4 to 3 majority. If there is enough push for the season from hunters the game commissioners that wanted the season may reinstate it!
Get the word out to all your friends to contact the game commissioner and ask to have the season reinstated!!!
I am super busy today, but I can send a newsletter this week to all members of this forum asking them to send a message to the commission. I imagine there are a percentage of members who do not know all the details of what has happened and have not taken action, hopefully it will result in more messages of support for spring bear season being sent to the commissioners.
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 20, 2021, 04:58:22 AM
Hope lion hunting has been good
Post by: trophyhunt on December 20, 2021, 06:29:42 AM
Post by: hunter399 on December 20, 2021, 08:33:43 AM
I'm a bit confused here, are they going to have another vote on spring bear in January or just talk about it????I don't know if it's on the "agenda" .
But you know the saying.
Ask and you shall receive.
Then this one.
Closed mouths don't get fed.
I don't know about you guys,but when I emailed ,I asked for reinstate the season or revote.
No compromise,go big or go home.
If they don't do it then ohh well at least I tried.
Post by: dwils233 on December 20, 2021, 09:09:12 AM
Also my understanding is that anyone who voted against it can call for a revote, almost at anytime during during meeting but there's nothing scheduled at this time
Post by: eskimo on December 24, 2021, 01:14:25 PM
Post by: tyfghter on January 02, 2022, 08:26:21 PM
I just started hunting, hoping to make bear a big staple of my family's diet and I fear this is just the begin of anti's attack on bear hunting. Sadly, from my ow experiences, it seems like bear hunting in particular is targeted as only trophy hunting. It gives me some sort of pleasure seeing people's faces when I tell them I actually would rather just have the meat.
Also, a big huge THANK YOU to everyone sharing all the info on who to contact and how to support. If it weren't for y'all I wouldnt know how to fight back.
Post by: actionshooter on January 02, 2022, 09:05:38 PM
I dont think Ive ever sent more messages and signed more petitions in my life, combined!
I just started hunting, hoping to make bear a big staple of my family's diet and I fear this is just the begin of anti's attack on bear hunting. Sadly, from my ow experiences, it seems like bear hunting in particular is targeted as only trophy hunting. It gives me some sort of pleasure seeing people's faces when I tell them I actually would rather just have the meat.
Also, a big huge THANK YOU to everyone sharing all the info on who to contact and how to support. If it weren't for y'all I wouldnt know how to fight back.
Thank you for stepping up.... hunters aren't the best at fighting for our rights... probably because we shouldn't have to, but that is a whole other discussion.
Post by: JeepWrangler on January 03, 2022, 04:59:43 AM
Thank-you for getting in the fight to protect Bear Hunting in Washington State.
Washington State is sort of where it all begin, the early successes of the anti hunting movement against bear hunting, where the anti hunting groups had their first real big win back in 1996. (See Washington State Initiative 655 for more information)
The arguments the anti's are using today are the same arguments they found worked in influencing the 90% of the population that neither is for or against hunting.
The 'we hunt bears for trophy' and 'we do not eat bears' are tried and true. They win with those arguments.
They have been having success with the 'we shoot mothers with cubs' and the latest, 'its unethical to hunt bears in the spring because they are lethargic'
You are right, how is it the approximate 15Million people who purchased hunting licenses last year cannot gather even 20 thousand signatures on a petition to save a spring bear hunting season?
Thank- you for all you are doing for hunting, wildlife conservation and habitat conservation.
Post by: Wunderlich33 on January 04, 2022, 11:29:16 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 04, 2022, 12:17:47 PM
Well in 2020 only about 21,000 people that bought a bear tag.
So I would say the petition is not doing that bad.
Post by: DeerThug on January 04, 2022, 12:28:06 PM
A site / group called Not My WDFW whos aim appears to end hunting. The site is factually untrue, but in today's world probably somewhat effective. Their goal is opposite of ours in the Commission appointments as well as the Director
https://www.notmywdfw.org
Not sure what to do or can be done but thought I would share. Would seem that an opposite well-crafted and balanced social media campaign would be something to consider.
Post by: hunter399 on January 04, 2022, 12:38:44 PM
I dont know if this belongs here or a thread of its own or if posted elsewhere already. But here is an example of what we are up against. Just had this pop up on facebook.Oh NO!!!!!!!!!
A site / group called Not My WDFW whos aim appears to end hunting. The site is factually untrue, but in today's world probably somewhat effective. Their goal is opposite of ours in the Commission appointments as well as the Director
https://www.notmywdfw.org
Not sure what to do or can be done but thought I would share. Would seem that an opposite well-crafted and balanced social media campaign would be something to consider.
The anti-hunters started there own petition.
We are all screwed.
It also says protests coming soon .
Man this is going down hill with no brakes and one flat tire.
Post by: mcrawfordaf on January 04, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
I hunt meat...
Post by: Stein on January 04, 2022, 01:16:37 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 04, 2022, 03:29:54 PM
I continue to believe that the longer Jay takes to fill the committee the better off we are. I'm not sure why hunters are encouraging him to act fast.We are better off ,right now.
That's why the anti people are pushing Jay to fill the seats,pack the Commission .
Post by: Stein on January 04, 2022, 03:31:34 PM
Post by: salish on January 10, 2022, 10:45:20 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 10, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
I've been through the last couple of pages of this thread. Without having to go through the entire thread, where do we stand on this issue? Is there in fact a closure, still, of the spring bear season? And we have sent petitions in to WDFW to open a season, and we're still waiting for the commission to change it back to open?For the most part ,yes,yes,and yes. :chuckle:
Post by: dwils233 on January 10, 2022, 01:25:35 PM
I've been through the last couple of pages of this thread. Without having to go through the entire thread, where do we stand on this issue? Is there in fact a closure, still, of the spring bear season? And we have sent petitions in to WDFW to open a season, and we're still waiting for the commission to change it back to open?
Spring bear is still closed
4 formal petitions have been sent to the commission and are slated to be heard on Jan 21 at which time the commission will have to formally respond.
There is a slim chance that procedural rules may allow a "no" voter to call for a revote, external to the petitions
Contact the commission before the 21st and try to schedule public comment for the meeting this Friday since there is no comment allowed on the 21st
Post by: Wunderlich33 on January 10, 2022, 01:30:54 PM
I've been through the last couple of pages of this thread. Without having to go through the entire thread, where do we stand on this issue? Is there in fact a closure, still, of the spring bear season? And we have sent petitions in to WDFW to open a season, and we're still waiting for the commission to change it back to open?
If you haven't submitted and signed any of the petitions you can find the links within this thread. Please take the time to do so.
Post by: JeepWrangler on January 10, 2022, 02:43:26 PM
"Bring back spring bear hunting for Washington State 2022 season" petition.
If you have not signed the petition, please do so.
If you know anyone who would be willing to sign the petition please ask them to do so.
Would like to see the petition reach 20,000 signatures before the Open Public Comment period of the Jan 14th Commission Meeting.
You can see the petition at:
https://www.change.org/p/jay-inslee-bring-back-spring-bear-hunting-for-washington-state-2022-season (https://www.change.org/p/jay-inslee-bring-back-spring-bear-hunting-for-washington-state-2022-season)
Thank-you
Post by: couesbitten on January 10, 2022, 03:39:17 PM
https://www.rmef.org/take-action/#/
Post by: salish on January 11, 2022, 12:11:46 AM
Post by: JeepWrangler on January 11, 2022, 04:52:21 AM