Contract killing problem

[bobcat]

not rocket science, 2 bears is 2 bears no matter how you slice it. i don't see how spring verses fall bear hunting affects them negatively. 

I think I read somewhere that the lack of a spring hunting season on bears has to do with them not wanting sows with cubs killed.

[h20hunter]

Could be....again....baiting would go a long way in preventing that. Preaching to the choir....I know.

[snowpack]

Hounds too.  Other than a tranquilizer is there a better tool than hounds for being extremely selective when harvesting bear or cougar?

[Rufous]

I view the timber companies as a special interest. They have enough clout to get their way. I think that is unfair. If they could not get special priviledges then maybe they would get involved and lobby for us hunters to have more rights, then us hunters could help them out. Win Win as I see it. Thoughts?

[Boss .300 winmag]

They are to busy collecting $100 access fees from spring bear permit holders while behind the scenes they are paying for contract hunters to dessimate the bears. Guess who is paying for this! 

Yep the permit holders pay a large portion of it! 

And yes it's the SW WA permit lands doing this.

If you can prove me wrong. 

Laughing about it I'm sure, dumb hunters think its a special permit.

You would be money ahead to go to EA WA permits for spring bears and pay for a guide like Bearpaw.

[huntnphool]

thats the problem uneducated seattle people voting on something they know nothing about.

Same thing will happen if those left wing nuts get to vote on mandatory background checks for firearm sales.

[CementFinisher]

Look you will never be allowed to bait or run hounds, so you will never kill enough bears to make a difference. Quite trying to take the only way hound guys can hunt em away. Your trying to hurt other hunters to benefit yourself. STOP! we all better start getting on the same page or there will be nothing to squabble about

[duckmen1]

You post is confusing to me cement finisher. Are you saying you think contract killers should get most the bears. That's the way it sounds

[CementFinisher]

im not saying that i think they should. What im saying is that without hounds or baiting spring bear hunters will never kill enough bears to lower the population enough to decrese timber damage or selectively control population. There for i think that its neccesary to have the contract hunters as they are being called. They evffectivly manage the populations.

[duckmen1]

I think if the bear populations are that much of a problem and they need to contract them maybe they could come up with ways to allow hunters more access in the spring.

[Blacktail Sniper]

Sorry, but I would not consider them hunters.  They are merely exterminators, removing what amounts to a pest.  They don't care if the bear treed is a boar or a sow that may have 1 or 2 cubs somewhere, they are there to kill bears for the timber companies and if they don't, the timber company replaces them with someone that will.

When the campaining was started and the initiative written up, the big, special interest groups (timber companies), were protected so that they would not put their resources (money) and influence (political clout) into fighting it.  The ads that were ran, showed only the sportsman hunters, in the worst, YouTube ways possible, tom play on the public's emotions.  Try and take hounding away from the timber companies now and you will see what I mean about them jumping into action to fight it I bet!

Most people I would bet did not bother to read the entire initiative, they just went by what they saw or heard.  Recent example was on another thread about gun legislation where a Legislator admitted to not having completely read the bill before signing on to support it...if they don't bother to do their homework before jumping on board, I guantee you the tree loving, bunny hugging, racoon licking, Starbuck drinking voters didn't either.

I used to work with a gal that was strong into the PETA movement.  Meetings, contributions, etc.  We were talking one night about hunting, because she knew I hunted.  And got on the subject of the new bait and hound restrictions. 

When I told her that the only thing that was accomplished was to take the average guy out of the loop, keep it inside a smaller select group that continued to hunt for timber companies and kill several more than the one per year that we had previously been allowed to as private sportsmen. 

And she was absolutely shocked that this included spring hunts and killing sows that orphaned cubs.  As wrapped-up in PETA that she was, she had no clue that was all that changed and that bears were still being killed by the methods that were supposed to be outlawed.

People on here say, one state, one law for every group reguarding other hot-botton topics, some of which will NEVER change, no matter how much complaining is done.

This however, could be changed, but would take effort, time, money, but with all the current legislative assaults on guns, gun ownership, assault weapons, etc, something like this will not even make the radar.  Where is all the effort going right now?  Letters, emails, calls to Olympia about the gun bills, which is understandably the more important issue. 

It is what it is because they anti's had nothing to lose and everything to gain, they made sure to look out for the special interest groups that were the big threat (timber companies for example), protected the public at large by saadding the public health or safety clause, they didn't lie, they just didn't tell the whole story, and the story they did tell was the worst possible examples they could find and the public reacted on emotion and bought into it.

But please, don't label an exterminator as a hunter.  Two entirely different catagories.

[CementFinisher]

Again without baiting or hounds you will not make a difference! Timber companies for many reasons don't want thousands of people on their land, and that what it would take on each property to kill half the bears that are killed on depredation hunts. Its just not feasible! I however do not support the USDA snaring bears

[CementFinisher]

black tail, they have to kill every bear treed, its required by the state and timber companies, no choice there. I agree that its been removed from the general public where it should be. But with the current laws in place these HUNTERS are required.  Duckman is there not an oppertunity for you to spring bear hunt?

[Blacktail Sniper]

Again, I have to disagree.  They do have a choice, they could simply not participate.  Then maybe there would be an opportunity to institue some changes. 

I stand by that they are not hunters because they are not out pursuing and harvesting game for the same reasons as say you or I would or do, they are exterminating a pest...plain and simple.

Enjoy your evening CementFinisher, I have enjoyed sharing thoughts, perspectives and opinions with you in a cordial and adult way. 

Time for the computer to be shut off and head for bed...I have a smoker to start building tomorrow 

[Humptulips]

WDFW is really in the drivers seat on this. They write the permits. Timber companies don't tow the line they would get no permits. Simple as that WDFW could tell them open your lands to bear hunters or you get no permits.

You think they don't want to deal with opening their land to spring bear hunters. They'd like it even less to see all their fir trees peeled.

I do disagree about the hound men not being hunters. They enjoy a good chase as much as they did before 1996. They are just making the best of a bad situation.

Oh, and anybody can get a permit. You just have to document bear damage on your land.