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Canada Lynx delisting
« on: January 11, 2018, 07:44:15 PM »
https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/pressrel/2018/01112018_Status_Review_Indicates_Canada_lynx_Recovery_inLower48.php

DENVER -The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is announcing the completion of a scientific review of the Canada lynx in the contiguous United States. The review concludes that the Canada lynx may no longer warrant protection under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) and should be considered for delisting due to recovery. This recommendation is the result of an extensive review of the best available scientific information and almost 20 years of working in partnership with state, federal, tribal, industry and other land managers on the conservation of this species.  As a result of this status review, the Service will begin development of a proposed rule to delist the species.

When they listed Lynx it spawned a bunch of lawsuits to stop trapping in several States especially Maine and MT. I'm not seeing where much has changed so I would say it was unwarranted from the get go. It truly has been a pain in the rear for Maine trappers with all the restrictions.
I imagine there will be more lawsuits over this as the ARs won't want to give up one of there best tools to restrict trapping.
Kind of makes you wonder if the current Administration gave it a green light and if another party would have.
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 07:46:41 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 07:52:40 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?
Still State listed. :bash:
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 08:07:59 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 08:13:50 PM »
Why would your comment get removed?  You've given some good insight, from your link on CNW:

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“Lynx populations in Washington have declined since they were identified as a threatened species in 2000,” said Dave Werntz, Science and Conservation Director at Conservation Northwest.

“A significant amount of the habitat where they remain has been lost to recent large fires. The Trump Administration’s decision that lynx no longer deserve federal protection is shameful, cavalier, and contrary to best available information. It’s clear that lynx are facing extinction threats and warrant federal wildlife protections.”

More information regarding our decades of work protecting lynx habitat, advocating for state and federal protections, and documenting their presence in Washington and southern British Columbia is available at: www.conservationnw.org/our-work/wildlife/canada-lynx/

Thanks for that link btw

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 08:39:34 PM »
KF don't get your hopes up they will more than likely hire another 400k consultant.

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 08:45:11 PM »
one of my posts earlier was nuked for criticizing conservation NW and its representative who comes on hunt WA and posts false propaganda.

hey its not my website and I dont make the rules

Why would your comment get removed?  You've given some good insight, from your link on CNW:

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“Lynx populations in Washington have declined since they were identified as a threatened species in 2000,” said Dave Werntz, Science and Conservation Director at Conservation Northwest.

“A significant amount of the habitat where they remain has been lost to recent large fires. The Trump Administration’s decision that lynx no longer deserve federal protection is shameful, cavalier, and contrary to best available information. It’s clear that lynx are facing extinction threats and warrant federal wildlife protections.”

More information regarding our decades of work protecting lynx habitat, advocating for state and federal protections, and documenting their presence in Washington and southern British Columbia is available at: www.conservationnw.org/our-work/wildlife/canada-lynx/

Thanks for that link btw

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 09:00:40 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted? 

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 09:01:33 PM »
Even if they are federally delisted, there's no way they should be delisted in our state, or Idaho.

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 09:15:31 PM »
canada and eventually here in Washington and Idaho

but conservation nw is opposed to all legal forms of sport hunting  of all animals

funny that once logging was ended by the eco terrorist mitch friedman and earth first the fuel load became so great in our forests that once a fire started it was so strong that t destroyed vital  wildlife habitat including habitat for the endangered lynx.

so much for uneducated eco terrorists, with zero background in forestry management, are now involved in our wildlife management.

sounds like a recipe, once again, for disaster for our wildlife.

Maybe try and spin this in favor of anti hunting groups again.

So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted?

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 09:25:20 PM »
canada and eventually here in Washington and Idaho

but conservation nw is opposed to all legal forms of sport hunting  of all animals

funny that once logging was ended by the eco terrorist mitch friedman and earth first the fuel load became so great in our forests that once a fire started it was so strong that t destroyed vital  wildlife habitat including habitat for the endangered lynx.

so much for uneducated eco terrorists, with zero background in forestry management, are now involved in our wildlife management.

sounds like a recipe, once again, for disaster for our wildlife.

Maybe try and spin this in favor of anti hunting groups again.

So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted?
They still hunt and trap lynx in Canada and an ESA listing does nothing to change that.  If you want to 'eventually' hunt lynx in WA and ID, the federal listing will help the population get there.  The state doesn't have much for resources to recover species and counts on Fed money for that....but I'm sure you know that.

CNW and all conservation minded hunters should be wary about a delisting in this DPS.  The population is not recovered.  Are you arguing that it is?  What the hell are you arguing, aside from.taking the time to bash CNW?

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 09:28:58 PM »
I see signs of them pretty frequently snowmobiling sub alpine and higher elevations 5-7000' but I don't know if there's enough to de list or not. 

Does anyone have any estimate on numbers?  We mostly get spill down from Canada here.

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 10:00:30 PM »
There's a handful in the Loomis, but very few anywhere else in the state.  We hear about them infrequently in NE Washington and I have seen tracks 2x and one actual sighting near Priest Lake Idaho. 

They are rare, not even close to being a species hunters should think about targeting.  We should be supportive of any recovery actions that can help lynx recover.

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 10:02:19 PM »
canada and eventually here in Washington and Idaho

but conservation nw is opposed to all legal forms of sport hunting  of all animals

funny that once logging was ended by the eco terrorist mitch friedman and earth first the fuel load became so great in our forests that once a fire started it was so strong that t destroyed vital  wildlife habitat including habitat for the endangered lynx.

so much for uneducated eco terrorists, with zero background in forestry management, are now involved in our wildlife management.

sounds like a recipe, once again, for disaster for our wildlife.

Maybe try and spin this in favor of anti hunting groups again.

So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted?
They still hunt and trap lynx in Canada and an ESA listing does nothing to change that.  If you want to 'eventually' hunt lynx in WA and ID, the federal listing will help the population get there.  The state doesn't have much for resources to recover species and counts on Fed money for that....but I'm sure you know that.

CNW and all conservation minded hunters should be wary about a delisting in this DPS.  The population is not recovered.  Are you arguing that it is?  What the hell are you arguing, aside from.taking the time to bash CNW?

Are you kidding? Lynx were never and will never be of significant numbers in WA. To say they are not recovered ignores the fact that we are on the fringe of their range. There will never be more lynx in WA. It is that way in all lower 48 States that have lynx.
The good thing about the talk of delisting is not a chance to hunt or trap them. It is that it stymies efforts of AR groups to litigate against trapping via the ESA.
Maine has the highest lynx population in the lower 48 and it has caused huge problems because of lawsuits filed by AR groups to halt trapping because of supposed danger to lynx. There are more lynx killed in Maine each year by cars then by anything else but trappers are the ones taking the heat because fewer then a handful of lynx have been killed over the last 10 years.
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 10:11:46 PM »
There's a handful in the Loomis, but very few anywhere else in the state.  We hear about them infrequently in NE Washington and I have seen tracks 2x and one actual sighting near Priest Lake Idaho. 

They are rare, not even close to being a species hunters should think about targeting.  We should be supportive of any recovery actions that can help lynx recover.

Okanogan County has the highest population of lynx in WA. If you get away from there you will likely never see one. A very few all along the Canadian border but they dip farther south in Okanogan county then elsewhere.
As memory serves there were about a dozen confirmed DNA samples out of Okanogan county and one farther east, I think in Ferry. That in more recent hair traps WDFW did looking where lynx might be.
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