Wolves do affect business

[JLS]

You're idea of helping everyone is to tell them "it'll be alright people, I'm still hunting Elk in Montana"

Pretty well sum it up?

Not hardly.

[KFhunter]

I've asked you repeatedly to give us all examples of how we could manage wolves in WA and you dodge it each time.
You've got my attention now (for a little longer anyways).
It would be a good time to let us all know JLS's idea of wolf management for WA.

Otherwise I'm just going to write it off and continue to do my thing on HW as I see fit. 

I'll officially label you as a wolf lover and be done with it, others already have but I haven't (yet)

[Jonathan_S]

If wolves really break out in this state, you wait, coyote hunting won't be 365/24/7 for long, at least in some

I think they are planning for that now. I heard a rumor that coyote hunting will be by permit only. There will be five coyote permit categories: Quality Coyote, Antlerless Coyote, Disabled Coyote, Youth Coyote, and Master Hunter Coyote.

Who would want to shoot a disabled coyote?

Sorry, I digress

I've asked you repeatedly to give us all examples of how we could manage wolves in WA and you dodge it each time.
You've got my attention now (for a little longer anyways).
It would be a good time to let us all know JLS's idea of wolf management for WA.

Otherwise I'm just going to write it off and continue to do my thing on HW as I see fit. 

I'll officially label you as a wolf lover and be done with it, others already have but I haven't (yet)

 

[Jonathan_S]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

I think it's inevitable that will happen. Coyotes will disappear and wolves will replace them, at least in the woods.

Who say's coyote will disappear?  That's a misnomer coyote will still be here. 
Even in heavily infested wolf areas of ID there's still plenty of coyote.

Even in YNP the Coyote population went down ya, 30-50% as of 2009 study but now they're saying the Coyote population is mostly recovered.  They had a hard learning curve, but the coyote is exceptionally adaptable and learned to live with wolves.

Interesting that they have recovered while the Yellowstone wolf population has gone down.

If wolves really break out in this state, you wait, coyote hunting won't be 365/24/7 for long, at least in some zones.

Fundamentally I agree with you though, coyotes will always be here.

They have

[JLS]

I've asked you repeatedly to give us all examples of how we could manage wolves in WA and you dodge it each time.
You've got my attention now (for a little longer anyways).
It would be a good time to let us all know JLS's idea of wolf management for WA.

Otherwise I'm just going to write it off and continue to do my thing on HW as I see fit. 

I'll officially label you as a wolf lover and be done with it, others already have but I haven't (yet)

There is a search function that most people know how to use. 

In my perfect world, we would be hunting them right now.  Beyond that, the options are limited.  You've already stated that hunting will fail, so I see no need to go into any further detail.

I could care less what you label me.  If it makes you feel better then go for it.

[bearpaw]

You're idea of helping everyone is to tell them "it'll be alright people, I'm still hunting Elk in Montana"

Pretty well sum it up?

That's pretty much what I've read.   

[AspenBud]

There is no management options available in WA for wolves.

WDFW will never gun them down via helicopter
WDFW will never have a bounty
Trappers cannot use body gripping traps
Poison is illegal everywhere
recreational hunting is ineffective

Practically speaking, how is that going to work? This is not Michigan or Alaska where people are swimming in state run lands. You have huge tracts of privately owned land. Even if WDFW was going to go for helicopter hunting they have to get past the land owners to be effective.

I can see it now,

"Dear Timber Company,

We would like you to suspend logging operations while we fly over and shoot the wolves eating the deer and elk that normally eat your saplings.

Signed,
WDFW"

Right.

You have a much bigger problem on your hands in this state than WDFW policy. You have a crap loads of private land where owners would most likely not allow such operations to be conducted and thus creating a safe haven for wolves.

[KFhunter]

and with that dodge I guess we're done

[KFhunter]

There is no management options available in WA for wolves.

WDFW will never gun them down via helicopter
WDFW will never have a bounty
Trappers cannot use body gripping traps
Poison is illegal everywhere
recreational hunting is ineffective

Practically speaking, how is that going to work? This is not Michigan or Alaska where people are swimming in state run lands. You have huge tracts of privately owned land. Even if WDFW was going to go for helicopter hunting they have to get past the land owners to be effective.

I can see it now,

"Dear Timber Company,

We would like you to suspend logging operations while we fly over and shoot the wolves eating the deer and elk that normally eat your saplings.

Signed,
WDFW"

Right.

You have a much bigger problem on your hands in this state than WDFW policy. You have a crap loads of private land where owners would most likely not allow such operations to be conducted and thus creating a safe haven for wolves.

huh?  Private land holders have no say in WDFW operations,  what are you babbling on about?

[AspenBud]

and with that dodge I guess we're done

Can you dispute it?

[bearpaw]

Actually where the wolves are located it's mostly public land and the land owners mostly support wolf control. 

[bearpaw]

This topic details the huge impact on Idaho's economy from wolves: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147923.0.html

[KFhunter]

and with that dodge I guess we're done

Can you dispute it?

dispute what?  There's nothing to dispute,  he's a wolf lover and nothing I say or do is going to help him understand.

I might as well be arguing with Maggy over minimum wage increases.

[JLS]

and with that dodge I guess we're done

What need is there to go any further?  You don't see hunting as a viable option. 

I'm not dodging anything.  Yes, Washington has very limited options.  I dont see them as being completely ineffective because I don't believe wolves will completely annihilate all of the prey around them.  They certainly won't improve hunting, but neither do I think they will end it.

We have different philosphies here.  I can accept that.

Yours and Dale's "omniscience" as to what you think I do and and think about wolves is not near as accurate as you may lead yourselves to believe.  However, I have no need to proclaim to the world what I have and will continue doing in regards to wolves.  If that's dodging, so be it.  If I wanted to share my personal life with you I would have a long time ago.  Given your behavior here, I see no reason why I would ever want to.

I really don't get why you have to be so confrontational about this issue with people who dont' march in lock step with your opinions.

Signed,

A wolf lover

[AspenBud]

Actually where the wolves are located it's mostly public land and the land owners mostly support wolf control. 

You're talking about right now. When they come west it's another ball game.