even though we found that hillside has elk sign galore I think the timber is too thin for them to use it during the day during the season. however, it doesn't take long to loose sight of the FS road once you're in a couple hundred yards especially since there's a few benches on the hillside. once you get to the top though there's a large isolated clearcut with thick reprod off to one side and moderately thick timber off to the other side. maybe I need to go deeper up there. I just had this feeling that I was close when I got to the top.