Your welcome Nez Pierce.

[Green broke]

All you Pro-Native hunting rights guys keep saying that they were within their legal right.  THAT IS THE PROBLEM.  YOU GUYS GET THE LEGAL RIGHT TO SHOOT ELK WITH A RIFLE FROM A ROAD WHILE WE ARE DOWN IN THE CANYON WITH A BOW.  THEN YOU SAY THAT HE SHOULD OF GONE FARTHER OUT OF HIS WAY TO GET AWAY FROM THE TRUCKLOAD OF RIFLE WHEELING NATIVES JUST SO THEY DONT SHOOT IT OUT FROM UNDER HIM.  YOU HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY KIDDING ME, HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?  THE TREATY AND YOUR "HUNTING RIGHTS" WILL ALWAYS BE GARBAGE TO ME.  GOOD HUNTING TO YOU ALL

Caps on. ... I hear you loud and clear.  You sound a lot like the antis when it comes to gun rights. ..
Another thing I notice is your ability to sensationalize things, where did the op say a "truckload". Just saying.

[Green broke]

Ribka and green, I know where you're both coming from in regards to the funeral issue and there are timea where its abused and that does need to stop but not always.  I've provided for families in that situation and its a difficult times.  Again this isn't downplaying or saying the other side isn't any less emotional or insignificant.

Really plateau? You aren't offended by the post?

[turkeyfeather]

Ribka and green, I know where you're both coming from in regards to the funeral issue and there are timea where its abused and that does need to stop but not always.  I've provided for families in that situation and its a difficult times.  Again this isn't downplaying or saying the other side isn't any less emotional or insignificant.

Really plateau? You aren't offended by the post?

It can only be offensive if there is no truth to it. 

[PlateauNDN]

It wouldve been better for either side had things been different back then but they're not.  The Govt. Shouldve had better negotiators or shouldve continued with their war.  We couldve been like Tibet and China or all those countries that broke free of Russian rule.   we'll never know. 

All you Pro-Native hunting rights guys keep saying that they were within their legal right.  THAT IS THE PROBLEM.  YOU GUYS GET THE LEGAL RIGHT TO SHOOT ELK WITH A RIFLE FROM A ROAD WHILE WE ARE DOWN IN THE CANYON WITH A BOW.  THEN YOU SAY THAT HE SHOULD OF GONE FARTHER OUT OF HIS WAY TO GET AWAY FROM THE TRUCKLOAD OF RIFLE WHEELING NATIVES JUST SO THEY DONT SHOOT IT OUT FROM UNDER HIM.  YOU HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY KIDDING ME, HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?  THE TREATY AND YOUR "HUNTING RIGHTS" WILL ALWAYS BE GARBAGE TO ME.  GOOD HUNTING TO YOU ALL

Caps on. ... I hear you loud and clear.  You sound a lot like the antis when it comes to gun rights. ..
Another thing I notice is your ability to sensationalize things, where did the op say a "truckload". Just saying.

Good point.

[PlateauNDN]

Ribka and green, I know where you're both coming from in regards to the funeral issue and there are timea where its abused and that does need to stop but not always.  I've provided for families in that situation and its a difficult times.  Again this isn't downplaying or saying the other side isn't any less emotional or insignificant.

Really plateau? You aren't offended by the post?

It can only be offensive if there is no truth to it. 

I never said I wasn't offended or anything said wasn't true.  I choose because I have very thick skin to put up with a lot unlike some on here that find almost anything offensive.

[Special T]

When you put in work to get a good hunt in its ALWAYS frustrating when you get corked. I've been out duck hunting done my scouting been there since 4 am and had some jack wagon set up 60 yards away from me.  Pisses me off to no end... BUT that is hunting on public land... If you want NO competition you either have to work harder physically than others, OR fork out for land or private access. I don't like it, but the facts are just that. 

[PlateauNDN]

Ribka and green, I know where you're both coming from in regards to the funeral issue and there are timea where its abused and that does need to stop but not always.  I've provided for families in that situation and its a difficult times.  Again this isn't downplaying or saying the other side isn't any less emotional or insignificant.

Really plateau? You aren't offended by the post?

It can only be offensive if there is no truth to it. 

I never said I wasn't offended or anything said wasn't true.  I choose because I have very thick skin to put up with a lot unlike some on here that find almost anything offensive.

I wasn't referring to you green I was referring to peoole in general on this website.  I have stated time and time again that there are things on here that do upset and offend me but I chalk it up to freedoms and RIGHTS GUARANTEED BY A PAPER OLDER THAN THE TREATIES that I and countleaa others defended and paid the ultimate price for.

[Special T]

I complement you Plat for having a thick skin. Some of the hunting issues bother me but i don't get upset. How tribes in general are treated as some kind of hybrid state, yet to influence this state bothers me more... That falls more into the general political discussion.  I don't like how Tribes in general have been able to influence WA state laws yet are not subject to them. A couple of examples are the no smoking law in private establishments that the tribes donated heavenly to and the the piss poor negotiations WA state had with tribes over state gas tax rev at tribal gas stations.  Unlike some i realize it takes 2 to tango so i'm mostly pissed that WE allow ourselves to represented by morons who are influenced by tribal money who slit our own throat.  I don't like tribes sticking thier nose in MY business BUT i understand they are trying to look out for their best interest...

[trophyhunt]

Ribka and green, I know where you're both coming from in regards to the funeral issue and there are timea where its abused and that does need to stop but not always.  I've provided for families in that situation and its a difficult times.  Again this isn't downplaying or saying the other side isn't any less emotional or insignificant.

Really plateau? You aren't offended by the post?

It can only be offensive if there is no truth to it. 

I never said I wasn't offended or anything said wasn't true.  I choose because I have very thick skin to put up with a lot unlike some on here that find almost anything offensive.

I wasn't referring to you green I was referring to peoole in general on this website.  I have stated time and time again that there are things on here that do upset and offend me but I chalk it up to freedoms and RIGHTS GUARANTEED BY A PAPER OLDER THAN THE TREATIES that I and countleaa others defended and paid the ultimate price for.

the constitution says that all men are created equal, that is NOT the case when it comes to Indian hunting (wrongs) rights. And thanks for yours and all who put there lives on the line.

[Special T]

And many of us white folks gave up rights we shouldn't have, the Indians didn't give it away so quickly. 

[turkeyfeather]

  I have stated time and time again that there are things on here that do upset and offend me but I chalk it up to freedoms and RIGHTS GUARANTEED BY A PAPER OLDER THAN THE TREATIES that I and countleaa others defended and paid the ultimate price for.

I also volunteered my life to protect freedoms in that piece of paper (which most who did would be offended by you referring to it that way). However it is absurd IMO to compare our constitution to a treaty. They are not even remotely close  to similar documents (again IMO).

[Special T]

Arguments are always directed by how they are stated/framed... What many of us SHOULD be upset about is how OUR government got out of control and how we are going to reign it in. Instead we fight amongst ourselves and only invite GOV to interfere MORE with our lives... Unfortunately that has worked for keeping hunters divided on MANY issues for a long time... Our infighting makes it easier for GOV to direct our frustration AWAY from the real cause.

[PlateauNDN]

Arguments are always directed by how they are stated/framed... What many of us SHOULD be upset about is how OUR government got out of control and how we are going to reign it in. Instead we fight amongst ourselves and only invite GOV to interfere MORE with our lives... Unfortunately that has worked for keeping hunters divided on MANY issues for a long time... Our infighting makes it easier for GOV to direct our frustration AWAY from the real cause.

   ill thank you turkey as I do all veterans because that's what I was taught.  There us no question to my loyalties as a citizen of this Country because idefended it and continue to defend and standup for this Country.  It just so happens I also am a member of a Tribe.  My family has served this Country in every branch of the armed services going back to WWI so to say I insult or degrade anything is absurd.

I've gone above and beyond on my own to deal with the abuses and violations and will continue on my own regardless of what anybody he thinks and believes so good day and enjoy the rest of this debate.

[trophyhunt]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

[Green broke]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.