Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!

[WaSouthpaw]

Hey guys, I once got a fortune cookie that said, "a closed mouth does not collect flies."

Publically stating you're going to be packing heat and will mow 'em down if confronted can be argued as showing pre-meditation in court.

I am not a LEO, a GW, or an Atty, just an average Joe who has never been arrested and intend to keep it that way.

Just my , Don

[buckfvr]

Biggest problem I have with letting any ill tempered animal walk is, so you may successfully avoid a serious confrontation because you face it down knowing you are armed and probably weapon drawn, but what about the next hiker, mushroom picker, or shed hunter, even berry picker who isnt armed ?

We shouldnt have to accomodate ill tempered critters.........if they confront you rather than run from you, the confrontation should be the green light in the name of public safety. 

Think about the next person or kid................

[KFhunter]

 

gotta train them 

[ICEMAN]

Biggest problem I have with letting any ill tempered animal walk is, so you may successfully avoid a serious confrontation because you face it down knowing you are armed and probably weapon drawn, but what about the next hiker, mushroom picker, or shed hunter, even berry picker who isnt armed ?

We shouldnt have to accomodate ill tempered critters.........if they confront you rather than run from you, the confrontation should be the green light in the name of public safety. 

Think about the next person or kid................

Totally agree.

[bearpaw]

Biggest problem I have with letting any ill tempered animal walk is, so you may successfully avoid a serious confrontation because you face it down knowing you are armed and probably weapon drawn, but what about the next hiker, mushroom picker, or shed hunter, even berry picker who isnt armed ?

We shouldnt have to accomodate ill tempered critters.........if they confront you rather than run from you, the confrontation should be the green light in the name of public safety. 

Think about the next person or kid................

Totally agree.

  x3

[Stalker]

Biggest problem I have with letting any ill tempered animal walk is, so you may successfully avoid a serious confrontation because you face it down knowing you are armed and probably weapon drawn, but what about the next hiker, mushroom picker, or shed hunter, even berry picker who isnt armed ?

We shouldn't have to accommodate ill tempered critters.........if they confront you rather than run from you, the confrontation should be the green light in the name of public safety. 

Think about the next person or kid................

Your post is spot on and the basic line that hunters throughout the west have been saying for years "these animals need to be managed and taught a respectful fear of humans". But that message is continually twisted by the pro groups to mean that hunters want wolves eradicated to protect our hunting opportunities. I believe that even if a child or adult is killed by these animals it will have very little play in the media or matter how these animals are protected. It took over 5 years for the story of the biologist kid that was killed by wolves in Canada to get any public attention and even then it was short lived and the experts continued their standard line that there was not enough evidence to support the "wolf kill" theory. The only way to prove it is a wolf kill to them would be to have pictures of wolves with body parts hanging out of their mouths, and even then I believe the pro groups would claim they were photo shopped or some other BS...      

[wolfbait]

DNA and Investigation Confirm Candice Bernier Killed by Wolves
   


The death of Candice Berner sent shock waves through Alaska and down into the Lower 48. People were stunned, appalled to think that wild wolves would aggressively attack and kill a small and innocent woman who was out for a run in a remote section of the Alaska Peninsula. And still, animal lovers and wolf defenders blamed the young school teacher for her ignorance, claiming, as perverted as it may sound, that she asked to be attacked. They found every excuse they could to defend the animals and demonize the woman, even claiming her death was the result of something else and that wolves were just scavenging – doing what wolves do.

Needless to say, reports were numerous and emotions high as you can read about here, here, here, here,here, here, here, and here. The emotions behind this story ran so high that these articles listed prompted nearly 900 comments from readers.

Today, according to the News Tribune out of Alaska, DNA sampling and results of an investigation have shown beyond any doubt that aggressive behavior by wolves, perhaps as many as 9, attributed to the attack that killed Candice Berner.

Biologists ruled out reasons for the attack other than aggression. Investigators found no evidence that the wolves had acted defensively or that Berner was carrying food. They found no kill site that wolves may have been defending, no indication that the wolves had become habituated to people and no evidence of rabies.

“This appears to have been an aggressive, predatory attack that was relatively short in duration,” the report concluded.

My heart still breaks when I think about what Candice Berner’s family and friends have been through in all this. To live with the knowledge that wild animals attacked and killed a woman, a daughter, a teacher and a friend.

It’s important to note that while testing confirms that wolves’ DNA was found on Berner and that some of those wolves were subsequently killed after the mauling death, the investigation by law officials appears to point very clearly that the only thing that Candice Berner was guilty of was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Charges against Berner at the time of the slaughter by defenders of wolves was that she was probably carrying food and that she couldn’t hear wolves because she had earplugs in to listen to music, or that she just shouldn’t have been outside jogging. The investigation concludes that none of these things were a factor. As a matter of fact, indications suggested that Berner, while running the road, may have spotted a wolf or wolves in front of her. The report claims she stop suddenly and began running the other way near where the attack occurred. This may or may not have contributed to the attack but all other evidence in the investigation shows the only reason the wolves attacked and killed Candice Berner was pure aggression. What brought on that aggression we can only speculate. Wolves are by nature an aggressive animal. Again, wolf advocates will refute that claim but officials ruled out all the “normal” things wolves become aggressive over.

As is told by Dr. Valerius Geist, there are circumstances that alter a wolf’s behavior. It is important that we all learn about what those circumstances are so that we can recognize them. We can all be a bit safer if we do.

Probably for the Berner family, they would now like to put this all to rest. Unfortunately, this debate will rage on as do many discussions that involves wolves. The minds of humans are a puzzling thing and puzzling it is why the life of an animal is placed higher than that of a human being by some.

Rest in peace Candice Berner.

*Update #1* December 7, 2011, 1:45 p.m.

http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2011/12/07/dna-and-investigation-confirm-candice-bernier-killed-by-wolves/

[stevemiller]

Biggest problem I have with letting any ill tempered animal walk is, so you may successfully avoid a serious confrontation because you face it down knowing you are armed and probably weapon drawn, but what about the next hiker, mushroom picker, or shed hunter, even berry picker who isnt armed ?

We shouldn't have to accommodate ill tempered critters.........if they confront you rather than run from you, the confrontation should be the green light in the name of public safety. 

Think about the next person or kid................

Your post is spot on and the basic line that hunters throughout the west have been saying for years "these animals need to be managed and taught a respectful fear of humans". But that message is continually twisted by the pro groups to mean that hunters want wolves eradicated to protect our hunting opportunities. I believe that even if a child or adult is killed by these animals it will have very little play in the media or matter how these animals are protected. It took over 5 years for the story of the biologist kid that was killed by wolves in Canada to get any public attention and even then it was short lived and the experts continued their standard line that there was not enough evidence to support the "wolf kill" theory. The only way to prove it is a wolf kill to them would be to have pictures of wolves with body parts hanging out of their mouths, and even then I believe the pro groups would claim they were photo shopped or some other BS...      

I agree with you on all you said here except that the media will have very little play in the matter in the masses,I believe if it were to happen to one of the wa. elite it will go all the way.

[WaSouthpaw]

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=livewith.wolves

An interesting read. They do say pack a gun.

Don

[xXLojackXx]

Glock 20 with 2 double stacked mags. Nap time for those pups 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

This really is the most pathetic thread I've seen here.  Good grief, some of you must be afraid of your own shadows.

[bearpaw]

This really is the most pathetic thread I've seen here.  Good grief, some of you must be afraid of your own shadows.

maybe for wolf lovers   

The reality is that wolves pose a significant risk to humans, pets, and livestock. This is happening more often as wolves inhabit more human populated areas. I know three people in WA who have been stalked by wolves within the last 1 1/2 years.

Here's another wolf attack in British Columbia that occured in Oct 2013 that mainstream media has conveniently ignored:
http://www.vancouversun.com/Forest+worker+encounters+aggressive+wolf+pack+near+Merritt/9093625/story.html

Forest worker encounters aggressive wolf pack near Merritt

The bulletin states a woman working for a forest management firm was approached by at least five aggressive wolves while she was working near Merritt two weeks ago.

The warning said the wolves came within three metres of her, and as she reached for a can of bear spray, one of her two dogs tried to take on the pack.

Tanya Lawes, of Lawes Forest Management said their employee managed to make it back to her truck uninjured and called for help. However, the dog that tried to protect her against the wolves was severely wounded.

"Once (she) got to the truck and got the other dog in there, she called to heel her (other) dog and it came, but it was pretty injured and once she got to Merritt, they had to put it down," said Lawes.

[idahohuntr]

Wolves are capable of killing people.  No doubt about it.  My encounters with wolves at close range (under 100 yards) while bowhunting, had me wishing I was carrying a handgun.  However, if I were going to put together a list of things were likely to cause injury/death to me as an outdoorsman, I don't think wolves (whether in Idaho, Washington, Alaska, Montana etc.) would make the top 50...or maybe even the top 100. 

[bearpaw]

Wolves are capable of killing people.  No doubt about it.  My encounters with wolves at close range (under 100 yards) while bowhunting, had me wishing I was carrying a handgun.  However, if I were going to put together a list of things were likely to cause injury/death to me as an outdoorsman, I don't think wolves (whether in Idaho, Washington, Alaska, Montana etc.) would make the top 50...or maybe even the top 100. 

 

The green river serial killer was a rarity, but it was still necessary to take him off the streets.

[KFhunter]

Wolves are capable of killing people.  No doubt about it.  My encounters with wolves at close range (under 100 yards) while bowhunting, had me wishing I was carrying a handgun.  However, if I were going to put together a list of things were likely to cause injury/death to me as an outdoorsman, I don't think wolves (whether in Idaho, Washington, Alaska, Montana etc.) would make the top 50...or maybe even the top 100. 

The odds of a wolf attack on a human climbs just a little bit each time a wolf/s encounters a hunter such as yourself. 


In each case of previous wolf attacks on humans the wolves were habituated to people, we must not let this happen. 
We need to be shooting them on sight with extreme hostility.