Yellowstone is Dead

[jon.brown509]

 Rule number one we don't know anything about eco systems they are too complex to understand main reason we try to handle populations.Now don't get wrong what lil we do know about food source and best breeding areas we can try to replicate but at the same time you never know if it should work.Elk can survive no matter what look at how diverse they can be,Now with the vegetation loss and winter grounds being destroyed than throw a apex predator in the mix Elk are in a hard place right mainly in Idaho,There is a food loss compared to five or ten years ago.But with new technologies were aiming to get things better.I went to a study area where they are testing Elk on different plants they eat"These pet ones seem more like lamas to me"We took them up in a horse trailer, out to the woods and let them eat whatever they wanted.Guess who had to follow what they ate and record it for hours? lol
Any how by the end we went over our data to find out that they liked a couple of plants that we are seeing a lot less of around Gardiner Mt, So they started planting a couple of plots and let me tell you this winter they had the most elk around there than there has been for a couple years now.

[KFhunter]

any food plot hunter or farmer could tell you what elk like 


So if you did this study,  why didn't you collect Elk scat from all over the country and see what was in it?

This would have to be done seasonally too BTW

[jon.brown509]

It is it's been going on for almost three years crazy lil things we find out that bird brain elk have figured out lol

[wolfbait]

Rule number one we don't know anything about eco systems they are too complex to understand main reason we try to handle populations.Now don't get wrong what lil we do know about food source and best breeding areas we can try to replicate but at the same time you never know if it should work.Elk can survive no matter what look at how diverse they can be,Now with the vegetation loss and winter grounds being destroyed than throw a apex predator in the mix Elk are in a hard place right mainly in Idaho,There is a food loss compared to five or ten years ago.But with new technologies were aiming to get things better.I went to a study area where they are testing Elk on different plants they eat"These pet ones seem more like lamas to me"We took them up in a horse trailer, out to the woods and let them eat whatever they wanted.Guess who had to follow what they ate and record it for hours? lol
Any how by the end we went over our data to find out that they liked a couple of plants that we are seeing a lot less of around Gardiner Mt, So they started planting a couple of plots and let me tell you this winter they had the most elk around there than there has been for a couple years now.

"Rule number one we don't know anything about eco systems they are too complex to understand main reason we try to handle populations"

I think your teacher needs to be taught by wildlife managers of the past instead of the new progressive ideology.

First off the ecosystem, was controlled by hunting up until the wolf introduction, and as you see it was doing very well, otherwise the wolf introduction would never have been possible.  With out prey the wolves would never have survived and with wolves the man controlled ecosystem will die, in other wards it will revert back to the days when there was very little game.

There will be lots of habitat with nothing on it and the feds will own all of it.

[The scout]

seems to be ton's of vegetation where my family has hunted for generations and in the last ten years went from us tagging out every year to zero elk sign but tons of wolf crap everywhere.sorry but your getting brainwashed by your professors jon brown.the hunter's are out in reality.i get so frustrated listening to this crap sorry.

[jon.brown509]

first  hunting only controls population not eco systems bud

second tell me what is habitat?
third one apex predator doesn't change eco system
fourth my teachers have more respect from hunters ,fisherman and outdoorsman
in the northwest,and all over the U.S.
fifth i'm sure one "extremest"opinion won't cause them to change the way they have been doing things which has them as the number one wildlife biology program in the U.S.
sixth I'm pretty sure you and me are going to disagree with your doomsday theory   
and i'm going to leave it at that because by the look of your user name you well never have a open mind about wildlife.You well only care about YOUR hunting and just forget about the rest of the wildlife

[jon.brown509]

seems to be ton's of vegetation where my family has hunted for generations and in the last ten years went from us tagging out every year to zero elk sign but tons of wolf crap everywhere.sorry but your getting brainwashed by your professors jon brown.the hunter's are out in reality.i get so frustrated listening to this crap sorry.

Who is getting brainwashed ? I just said the same thing about my grandparents place up in Montana I hate it ,Why i'm trying to fix it.

[The scout]

BRAINWASHED!!!!!!!

[jon.brown509]

You should see how it sounds on my end reading responses to crap that I know is happening and I don't like it at least i'm doing something about it and not just writing on a forum
 "scout"

[KFhunter]

This jon.brown509 character is hard to figure, he flip flops all over the place like a trout on a hot sandy bank.

[trophyhunt]

SSS, a few guys on here are against this filosiphy but what will it take to change their minds? Is see a poll question!

[The scout]

in the same breath you say they can't change an eco system,not 100% sure who's side your on

[KFhunter]

SSS, a few guys on here are against this filosiphy but what will it take to change their minds? Is see a poll question!

Already been done


http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,105968.msg1381854.html#msg1381854

[wolfbait]

This jon.brown509 character is hard to figure, he flip flops all over the place like a trout on a hot sandy bank.

Thats because his buddies ran off and left him, now he's a fish out of water, gasping on air. Not a pretty sight for his class mates.

[jon.brown509]

  Alight let me help you out. I do not like wolves ,coyotes,cougars,bobcats or anything in that predator area I have made a killing off of my skill's as a predator hunter.Now i'm trying to make it a career as a wildlife biologist.My family on both sides are all ranchers and farmers,I grew up dealing with things that happen in that line of work and some you shouldn't have to face Like grizzly bears.As I start learning more about wildlife a couple of views have changed but not that much i just now have a understanding as too what leads predators to do the things they do when I try to explain that all i get is kill them all responses.
 I have friends everywhere wolfbait only thung thats not going to pretty is the look on your face when I have a pack of wolves no longer stealing my air for a trophy pic