Governors outdoor recreation group

[Southpole]

Andy will make you carry your poop out in a plastic bag.

Andy Z.    5 hours ago



ORVs cause to much damage to be allowed anywhere. All other users can learn to coexist, only ORVs are completely incompatible with public land. 


 I think he probably smears his all over himself  :yike:for the trip out or had a rider do it to him. Such hate

Oh Andy...

[buckfvr]

You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....

[snowpack]

LOGGERS........your next 




Andy Z.    2 hours ago



Funding the state with revenue from logging isn't a good idea; it is far more important to utilize public land for recreation and conservation purposes.


Andy Z.  20 minutes ago 


Schools should not be shackled to timber revenues.

He wants it to be covered with increased property tax.   

[t6]

Pretty sure we'd have to hid bacon in his pockets.  I don't think he'd touch any meat on purpose.  Probably a TOFU muncher. 

[bearpaw]

Thanks everyone for your comments on the website.

http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ 

I cannot stress how important it is that everyone continues to comment and post ratings on other comments.

I read every comment before going to the last meeting and stated that at the meeting. I was able to bring up several of the comments in the meeting including: recreational access to public lands, concerns about fees on timber lands, hunters and fishers paying taxes to support our sports, and concerns about hoof rot as some of the major issues impacting hunters.

Assistant Director Joe Stohr said he will bring a list of top 10 concerns the WDFW has heard. Everyone needs to continue commenting so that I can verify the WDFW perceived list of concerns is accurate with the comments being made by hunters and fishers.

I hear the concerns regarding the validity of the process, the website design, some user groups are not well represented or not represented at all, and I have mentioned the skepticism. The group suggested making adjustments to the website so that it's more user friendly.

One problem is that there is only a very small budget for us to work with and it's mostly allocated, but they said we should be able to get some minor adjustments to the website.

Please continue to participate often, do it every day for a few minutes, post your own ideas, comment on other posts, and please use the star rating system.
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/

[Special T]

After looking at the site a little more I think a couple of things are in order.

1 DONT FEED THE TROLLS! Don't engage numb whits like Andy. All it does is take away from the process and if you bounced an of your data is likely to get excluded
2 Rate peoples comments and ideas that support hunting, fishing and all other renewable activities regardless or how you may split the hairs. Its time to stick together. I'll use Me for example. I have some concern over ATV use in areas and the fact that some cant follow the rule. HOWEVER i support comments about ATV's because the states ONLY solution is to exclude them  from land.
3 If you need to VENT, call a friend, have a drink, or cigar, or yell at the TV... The more we reinforce some peoples misconception that we are a bunch of ignorant hicks the harder it is to get taken seriously.

[mfswallace]

You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....

"They" probably didn't flag you because anyone can flag anyone. Just click flag under the users comment and it will be pulled from the site and sent to administrators to look at....

[buckfvr]

LOGGERS........your next 




Andy Z.    2 hours ago



Funding the state with revenue from logging isn't a good idea; it is far more important to utilize public land for recreation and conservation purposes.


Andy Z.  20 minutes ago 


Schools should not be shackled to timber revenues.

He wants it to be covered with increased property tax.   

In the end, they will show you how all these wonderful improvements can be covered by a percentage of a new state income tax.......wait and see......then all the urbanites will vote us all a new 6% tax that comes straight off the top of your income......

Then we'll all be paying for art in parks and mountain bike trails in Volunteer Park.....plus modern amenity updates for all the State Parks in western Wa. that most of us will never use. 

[buckfvr]

Andy will make you carry your poop out in a plastic bag.

I would bet it all that he practices this religiously.....

[Special T]

You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....

"They" probably didn't flag you because anyone can flag anyone. Just click flag under the users comment and it will be pulled from the site and sent to administrators to look at....

Which is why its so important not to feed the trolls...

[buckfvr]

Maybe every time he flames a user group, he needs to be flagged.....so far he gets away with pure BS, and now you cant call him on the carpet ?  Thats also pure BS.   

[Special T]

 
Yes if they get personal by all means flag them!

[bearpaw]

I would like to offer these points to be the most effective:

1) Participate often, post topics, post comments, rate other comments

2) Be courteous, respectful, professional

3) Know your facts and cite your sources

4) Disagree in an informative friendly manner or use the rating system

5) Offer solutions

[baldopepper]

I've posted a couple of minor hunting issues on there and it took about 10 minutes of my time.  Bearpaw is obviously devoting a lot more of his valuable time to this effort on behalf of the Washington hunting/fishing community, the least we can do is give him a little ammo to work with.  Everyday I see complaints about how things need to change in the state on this site, just take a few minutes to clearly articulate them  and post them on the site.  It might seem like a small thing now, but a lack of participation by our hunting/fishing community on sites like that is likely to come back and bite us later.  If the bike riders and "art in the park" people have 10 posts for our every one, guess who's going to use that as an example of where scarce monies are going to be allocated.  Don't just use it as a place to vent, throw a couple of suggestions on there. I was always told that if you don't have a better idea, keep your mouth shut on the one that's in place. That site might have it's problems, but it's still a place to post your better idea.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Yes if they get personal by all means flag them!

I had 3 comments removed, one questioning of ORV, Hunter, Mining, Logger hater Andy to see if he even knew what the 12 heartbeat rule of wilderness was (didn't mention wilderness tho). Got no answer since he doesn't seem to know. So I returned the favor on a couple obnoxious posts of his