Open for discussion Long range (1000 yard) Nail Driver

[Pathfinder101]

"Perry to me is Presidents 100.

No short mags there...."

I am not sure what that means but those shooters and gun builders are the best there is.
Carl

It's a service rifle competition.

And yes, those guys are VERY good.

  Mostly .223s, .308, 30-06s...

[RadSav]

I prefer more horse power for hunting. Doesn't take much to punch a hole in paper or ring steel at distance.

We had a lot of impacts at that distance where the bullet was definitely tumbling when it hit paper (308 WIN).  Not sure I have ever seen that with the 300 Win, 300WBY Or 7REM.

One of the more interesting events back around '83 - My girlfriend at the time's father was a retired military sniper.  He had some ugly military looking rifle with a stock that looked more like an oil soaked 2X4 than a rifle stock. Some old beat up Lyman scope on it.  Chambered for his favorite round...30-40 Krag.  For about a half hour he consistantly rang the 1,000 steel!  I swear he could shoot and have time to watch the impact through the spotter    I felt silly for asking him just prior why he brought that big pile of junk when he could just borrow my fancy 308    I'm not sure how fast that bullet was going when it got there, but I bet I could almost ride a bicycle faster!  At 60+ he was still one heck of a shot!  Makes me wonder how good he might have been had he been willing to shoot the modern long range rifles.

[TheHunt]

I prefer more horse power for hunting. Doesn't take much to punch a hole in paper or ring steel at distance.

We had a lot of impacts at that distance where the bullet was definitely tumbling when it hit paper (308 WIN).  Not sure I have ever seen that with the 300 Win, 300WBY Or 7REM.

One of the more interesting events back around '83 - My girlfriend at the time's father was a retired military sniper.  He had some ugly military looking rifle with a stock that looked more like an oil soaked 2X4 than a rifle stock. Some old beat up Lyman scope on it.  Chambered for his favorite round...30-40 Krag.  For about a half hour he consistantly rang the 1,000 steel!  I swear he could shoot and have time to watch the impact through the spotter    I felt silly for asking him just prior why he brought that big pile of junk when he could just borrow my fancy 308    I'm not sure how fast that bullet was going when it got there, but I bet I could almost ride a bicycle faster!  At 60+ he was still one heck of a shot!  Makes me wonder how good he might have been had he been willing to shoot the modern long range rifles.

Rad,
I am not sure you were getting what he was implying to you.  So let me spell it out...

You touch my daughter... This old nasty rifle will be used to snipe you sorry butt than I will toss this thing in the ocean as I only paid 30 dollars for it.   

[RadSav]

Rad,
I am not sure you were getting what he was implying to you.  So let me spell it out...

You touch my daughter... This old nasty rifle will be used to snipe you sorry butt than I will toss this thing in the ocean as I only paid 30 dollars for it.   

If he only knew how naughty she really was we'd have probably both been on the hit list!

He was the best!  I remember getting called to the office early on a school day.  When I get there he is standing with the principal looking mighty angry.  He says, "Boy!  Did you forget you have a dentist appointment today?"  When we get in the truck me tells me he got a tip that a big bear was working an old homestead orchard up the river.  Then he laughs and says, "Did you see the look on that Dbag principals face?  I think he thought I was going to kill you for missing an appointment"

[fishngamereaper]

I prefer more horse power for hunting. Doesn't take much to punch a hole in paper or ring steel at distance.

We had a lot of impacts at that distance where the bullet was definitely tumbling when it hit paper (308 WIN).  Not sure I have ever seen that with the 300 Win, 300WBY Or 7REM.

One of the more interesting events back around '83 - My girlfriend at the time's father was a retired military sniper.  He had some ugly military looking rifle with a stock that looked more like an oil soaked 2X4 than a rifle stock. Some old beat up Lyman scope on it.  Chambered for his favorite round...30-40 Krag.  For about a half hour he consistantly rang the 1,000 steel!  I swear he could shoot and have time to watch the impact through the spotter    I felt silly for asking him just prior why he brought that big pile of junk when he could just borrow my fancy 308    I'm not sure how fast that bullet was going when it got there, but I bet I could almost ride a bicycle faster!  At 60+ he was still one heck of a shot!  Makes me wonder how good he might have been had he been willing to shoot the modern long range rifles.

Rad,
I am not sure you were getting what he was implying to you.  So let me spell it out...

You touch my daughter... This old nasty rifle will be used to snipe you sorry butt than I will toss this thing in the ocean as I only paid 30 dollars for it.   

 :chuckle:So true...

Just shows its as much about the shooter as the gun for long distance nail driving. Ive seen low speed guys with high speed guns struggle to hit at 600yds.

Me, I would put a .308 against any round out there.Why? Because I can   Are there rounds that are more stable and accurate at 1000yds, yep. But the key is I know my .308. Its been my long distance round of choice for over 16 years and I know everything about it. I know what its going to do and when its going to do it. You can't go wrong with most of the rounds already mentioned, you just need to pick one, embrace it, get to know it, then love it. Become one with the round.

[b23]

Velocity is a long distance shooters best friend and wind is his enemy. 

At a given distance the drops never change BUT wind can sometimes be constantly changing.  The longer the time of flight the more affect wind has on the bullets path.

It used to be that the big .30 cals reigned supreme in 1000 yard bench rest shooting but with the newer high bc. bullets for the 6.5's and certainly far less recoil, the 6.5mm/.264 cals have taken over.

[bearpaw]

In addition to many of the other comments I would also consider the cost/availability of ammunition/components if you plan to shoot it much and the barrel life of the caliber chosen.

[WoodlandShooter]

my $.02

For going to 1k.

1. Supersonic range should be at least 1200 yards.
2. B.C. (G1) should be over 0.625
3. Muzzle Velocity should be under 2900 (better barrel life)
4. Carries 1000 foot pounds of energy to 1000 yards (or at least close to it)
5. has at least two bullets on the market that will allow the selected cartrige to achieve items 1-4
6. has an available supply of factory loads at WallyWorld (or your local hardware store) that will at least get you to 700 yards.

[coachcw]

1000 yard guns don't shoot wally world ammo ! I'd look into the 6.5x284 in a long action so that you can push the 140's near 3000fps and not have a single shot. both the 7mm and the 300 Winnie would be fine choices as well .

[Badhabit]

Holy moly

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c2_1400520617

[iusmc2002]

300 WM launching 220gr MK's or a 338 Lapua with 250gr MK's is pretty bad medicine at 1000+ yards.  Problem being, when you're firing those type of calibers from a bench for a while, the recoil is rough, so you would have to go with a heavier rifle.  The 110BA I shot the other day recoils a WHOLE lot less than my 300WM, with that factory break they come with.
When I burn out the barrel on my 300WM, I'm going to replace it with a .280 Remington and see how that does at distance.  The 6.5's are pretty hot right now, with their great BC.  They're just hard to find, seems like.  More so than 30 cal. 

[257 Wby Mag]

I'd think a fast twist 243 AI , 260,7/08, 280, either vanilla or AI would getcha there without burnin too much powder or recoil, from there the sky is the limit.....

[WoodlandShooter]

1000 yard guns don't shoot wally world ammo ! I'd look into the 6.5x284 in a long action so that you can push the 140's near 3000fps and not have a single shot. both the 7mm and the 300 Winnie would be fine choices as well .

I have had real good luck with Factory Winchester BST 130's in my 270 out to 700 yards on paper and rocks

After that I do have to step up to my 165 grain Matrix hand loads. Wont quite make 1000 foot pounds at 1K (it's actually around 900 yards) but it is supersonic past 1500 yards..it's a compromise. Just wish there was more than one bullet out there that can do this in .277.

I have been thinking about what it would take to get a significant jump in performance over my 270...and well, I would need to go  BIG...like 338Edge +P or a 375 CheyTac.

[JJB11B]

Get a 300 RUM!

[jay.sharkbait]

I prefer more horse power for hunting. Doesn't take much to punch a hole in paper or ring steel at distance.

We had a lot of impacts at that distance where the bullet was definitely tumbling when it hit paper

How big was the paper?