Round-Up in Your Sandwich? Are our hoof-diseased elk eating Wonder Bread?

[pianoman9701]

Treponema pallidum, a bacteria associated with domestic livestock hoof rot.

[kentrek]

An what's the cause of the bacteria ?? That is the only "cause" that is worth solving....they can kill off the elk but unless they solve the root of the problem things will never change...but like with so many other issues in the world the root cause will be over looked/ignored an nothing will be solved

[pianoman9701]

An what's the cause of the bacteria ?? That is the only "cause" that is worth solving....they can kill off the elk but unless they solve the root of the problem things will never change...but like with so many other issues in the world the root cause will be over looked/ignored an nothing will be solved

The bacteria is common in the ground, especially in wet environments. Why these elk have hoof disease it and others don't, they don't know. Why it's starting to show up in other areas, they don't know. I personally feel they don't know a lot of things, including what's causing the hoof disease. Their esteemed panel of scientists didn't do anything about it for almost 20 years after it started appearing. Not until 2008 did they start working on it and then, only after they'd been dogged by a specific and tenacious group of outdoorsmen. The performed necropsies each year for 5 years without testing for agricultural chemicals once, not once. The esteemed panel includes a hired gun scientist for the herbicide industry who is a professional witness in liability claims made against Syngenta and Monsanto for diseases believed to be tied to the herbicides Atrazine(TM) and Glyphosate (TM).

[magnanimous_j]

I don’t know for sure what the cause is, but wheat has been a staple of the human diet for thousands of years. Suddenly, in the last couple decades, an increasing number of people are having bad reactions to it. Something’s going on.

[Special T]

 

[pianoman9701]

I don’t know for sure what the cause is, but wheat has been a staple of the human diet for thousands of years. Suddenly, in the last couple decades, an increasing number of people are having bad reactions to it. Something’s going on.

I stopped eating anything with wheat in it a couple of months ago. I'm not interested in consuming glyphosate or designer wheat. The dwarf wheat that's produced today is almost another crop from the wheat we ate 50 years ago. It's been designed to yield many times as much per acre and in fewer weeks growing time. I think we're making a huge mistake with some of our agricultural products in this country and around the world. Even Putin won't let Russians do desiccation. What does that tell you?

[idahohuntr]

Very interesting science.  I learned something new.  I wonder if elk have been tested for mineral deficient or glyposate in urine?  Bet not.  Who knows?  Why not test, along with atrazine levels?  I do know one thing-I would never spray my garden with roundup. Would any Farmer be confident enough to do it, and if so why?  This stuff stays in the plant and in the soils a considerable time.

They haven't been testing for it and "why not?" has been asked several times. The people wondering about the possible connection can't understand why the biologists involved wouldn't want to rule out as much as possible.

Because they have already identified the cause and there was never a sign of toxicity that warranted such detailed chemical analysis.  Go read the bugle magazine story by rich landers on this subject...he lays out very accurately what wdfw has done and why toxicity was ruled out early on. 

If you have blood drawn at the doctors office does he provide you with your levels of glyphosate and atrazine?

Only when I come down with hoof disease. I know you love the WDFW very much and think they would never do us wrong, but the Bugle article reflects only the information given them by the WDFW. It's hardly an independent study.

I know you love conspiracy theories very much, and you hate state fish and wildlife management staff, but are you also now alleging that RMEF (an independet non-profit elk conservation organization)  and Rich Landers (an independent outdoors journalist) are in on this grand conspiracy with Big Timber, Chemical companies, and WDFW??  Or are you simply alleging that WDFW is on the conspiracy with Big Timber and Chemical Companies and its just that Rich Landers and the Staff at RMEF are too stupid to understand what is going on?

[idahohuntr]

I don’t know for sure what the cause is, but wheat has been a staple of the human diet for thousands of years. Suddenly, in the last couple decades, an increasing number of people are having bad reactions to it. Something’s going on.

I stopped eating anything with wheat in it a couple of months ago. I'm not interested in consuming glyphosate or designer wheat. The dwarf wheat that's produced today is almost another crop from the wheat we ate 50 years ago. It's been designed to yield many times as much per acre and in fewer weeks growing time. I think we're making a huge mistake with some of our agricultural products in this country and around the world. Even Putin won't let Russians do desiccation. What does that tell you?

Again, it appears issues are being blended and they are not the same.  The cause of hoof rot and diagnosis and management of that disease is one thing, and all evidence to date makes it clear toxicity is not the cause.   

Harmful chemicals in the environment is a broader issue, and just because one might argue that roundup is not the cause of hoof rot does not mean one favors unlimited chemicals in the environment.  As I mentioned earlier, I really think the folks with all of these chemical/toxicity concerns should not really focus on WDFW, but rather they need to advocate for stricter Environmental Regulations and much more enforcement of existing environmental regulations.  Piano, you and Mag should be writing your congressmen demanding increased funding to EPA (which has been cut substantially) and you should vote for representatives that will advocate your desire to substantially increase state and federal environmental regulations.  Are you guys members of Cascadia Wildlands, Earthjustice and Conservation Northwest?  They are advocates of similar policies and share your concerns.   

[magnanimous_j]

I don’t know for sure what the cause is, but wheat has been a staple of the human diet for thousands of years. Suddenly, in the last couple decades, an increasing number of people are having bad reactions to it. Something’s going on.

I stopped eating anything with wheat in it a couple of months ago. I'm not interested in consuming glyphosate or designer wheat. The dwarf wheat that's produced today is almost another crop from the wheat we ate 50 years ago. It's been designed to yield many times as much per acre and in fewer weeks growing time. I think we're making a huge mistake with some of our agricultural products in this country and around the world. Even Putin won't let Russians do desiccation. What does that tell you?

I’ve read that. There is a lot of money to be made on heirloom wheat strains.

It’s funny you mention the Russians. They are really skittish when it comes to their food. I think microwaves were illegal until the 70’s there.

[JimmyHoffa]

I don’t know for sure what the cause is, but wheat has been a staple of the human diet for thousands of years. Suddenly, in the last couple decades, an increasing number of people are having bad reactions to it. Something’s going on.

I stopped eating anything with wheat in it a couple of months ago. I'm not interested in consuming glyphosate or designer wheat. The dwarf wheat that's produced today is almost another crop from the wheat we ate 50 years ago. It's been designed to yield many times as much per acre and in fewer weeks growing time. I think we're making a huge mistake with some of our agricultural products in this country and around the world. Even Putin won't let Russians do desiccation. What does that tell you?

I’ve read that. There is a lot of money to be made on heirloom wheat strains.

It’s funny you mention the Russians. They are really skittish when it comes to their food. I think microwaves were illegal until the 70’s there.

Not to detract too much, but there is a Vice segment about hunting radioactive wolves in Chernobyl.  When the guys get closer and closer to areas of increasingly higher radiation, they just drink more vodka.  Said that they believe alcohol has a shielding effect toward ionizing radiation.

[Special T]

Strange that they think its vodka when actually things like Kelp, cattails, and clay pickup heavy metals and radio active isotopes passing throught thje body...

Perhaps it helpsthem deal with radiation better.

[kentrek]

"Why these elk have hoof disease it and others don't, they don't know. Why it's starting to show up in other areas, they don't know. "

So they really don't know the cause....

[pianoman9701]

"Why these elk have hoof disease it and others don't, they don't know. Why it's starting to show up in other areas, they don't know. "

So they really don't know the cause....

That's how it appears to me. They'll (and another poster in this thread) will tell you they know - treponemes. That's it, end of story. Let's just kill a bunch of limping elk now. 

[kentrek]

"Why these elk have hoof disease it and others don't, they don't know. Why it's starting to show up in other areas, they don't know. "

So they really don't know the cause....

That's how it appears to me. They'll (and another poster in this thread) will tell you they know - treponemes. That's it, end of story. Let's just kill a bunch of limping elk now. 

Well it is the end of story if you don't live in the middle of a bunch of rotted elk....this whole story stinks...from beginning to what I guess is the "end"....out of site out of mind tho for all the ones that "solved" nothing...

Not sure how idaho hunter can pat wa on the back for doing nothing

[T Pearce]

Not a "Feel Good" kinda thought.
Wolf intro will eliminate the infected animals in a hurry I suspect.
In doing so they will take testing opportunities as well.

Note: I pre treat our garden prior to tilling with roundup.
Prepping for BioFumigation this season too, (plant, mow and rototill the Mustard this year for next year)

I'd like to hear from wheat growers that apply roundup prior to harvest as a "Standard"

Our Potatos are sprayed prior to harvest.
Just sayin

Heirloom seeds are a good thing..... I keep a bunch on hand for the end of the world as we know it.