Heroes or Zeros?

[CAMPMEAT]

These people are zeroes in every sense.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They're doing the right thing and it's a fight that's been waiting to happen for a long time.
Funny how people will say we need to fight back but when people actually do they nit pick how they do it.
This would fill the bill of what our forefathers had said in the in the second a amendment.

Again, I agree with csaaphill.........the corrupt government is too big and oversteps it's boundaries whenever it wants...

[winslow]

Interesting to see the dissenting opinions and the reasoning behind them. I was thinking that the Bundy clan was grabbing at somebody else's (unfortunate) spotlight, but I didn't have enough of the backstory.

It's a mess, for sure, and I hope it ends peacefully and something good comes out of it all. Doesn't seem like it will change much for the Hammonds, at least not for the better.

If you want to read a crazy spin on the situation, check this out:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/04/3735722/meet-the-child-abusing-arsonists-at-the-center-of-the-oregon-militia-standoff/

[Skillet]

Two things going on here.  The Hammonds, a family of ranchers who took some questionable actions to ostensibly protect their livelihood, got bi+chslapped by the feds to make a point. To avoid a ridiculously harsh sentence, they agreed to the minimum 5 year sentence, and a felony charge that labels them as terrorists. Their choice to accept that plea. The Hammonds are now being required to honor their agreement.  I think this is harsh, and represents an overreach by the Feds - but again, the Hammonds agreed to the sentence.
Enter the Bundys. These folks have no stake in this fight,  other than a chance to fulfill a self-described religious prophecy based in the LDS teachings that describe the victory of a Captain Moroni, who stood up to an oppressive king by peacefully assembling a massive resistance force. The Bundys are trying to co-opt the Hammond's plight by citing Mormon script.
Most interestingly - the Hammonds have disavowed the Bundys, as have the LDS church.  Basically, the Bundy's are "off the reservation," and will hopefully realize their mistake 9sooner than later.
My answer to the OP'S question -  Hammonds are folk hero's with a checkered past, and the Bundy's are total whack-job religious zealot zeros.
 

[JLS]

http://www.opb.org/news/article/burns-oregon-standoff-militia/

Hard to believe how arrogant Clive Bundy is.  He is beyond stupid.

[Skillet]

I can believe it.  Religious fanaticism drives people to crazy extremes.
With the way Cliven Bundy has been quoted regarding the Hammond situation, if blood is shed he will be a likely candidate for "Inciting a Riot" charges, IMHO.  I think the Feds have probably had enough of his antics, and are probably regretting standing down earlier.  He's been emboldened and is gambling others' lives in the name of The Book of Mormon as a result.

[Tom Reichner]

This really is two completely separate issues.  The Hammonds' sentencing is completely independent of the moronic Bundy clan who is choosing to use this as a stage for their antics.  I'll laugh when Ammon is a convicted felon doing time in a federal prison and can no longer carry a gun.

You are so very right.  This story is not about the Hammond's deeds, trial, and sentencing.  This story is about the militia group invading the Visitor Center on a federal wildlife refuge, which has caused the refuge to be closed to all visitors.

[emac]

I wouldn't do it, but atleast they aren't burning down buildings, and looting like the black lives matter group is.

But black lives do matter:D

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[Stein]

So, if you disagree with the result of legal proceedings, you should break into a building with guns and shut down public property?

It wasn't right when the black lives group destroyed property and it isn't right when Bundy did it.

If the ranchers have any sense, they will distance themselves from the Bundy thugs asap.

If you think the mandatory sentence is too high, call your congressman and have it changed.

Freedom and anarchy are different.

[Dan-o]

 

These guys have no excuse for taking the refuge.   NONE.....   except possibly in Csaaphil's conspiracy-theory-ridden mind.   Which, by the way, is extremely ironic given how he'd react if someone trampled his rights the way these refuge-grabbers are doing.

[JimmyHoffa]

These guys have no excuse for taking the refuge.   NONE.....   except possibly in Csaaphil's conspiracy-theory-ridden mind.   Which, by the way, is extremely ironic given how he'd react if someone trampled his rights the way these refuge-grabbers are doing.

It kind of reminds me of the 594 protest in Olympia, the bulk of the protest outside on the steps was viewed in a good light, but a few others wanted a little more exposure and went into the legislature armed with gas masks and trenchcoats.

[Curly]

It reminds me of when some Yakama members received prison sentences for fishing back in the late 70's or early 80's.  I believe they got 5 year sentences or something along those lines.  The difference is that people didn't go and take over federal buildings in protest.  They enlisted the help of a US Senator who helped get them out of prison.  That's how these clowns should have gone about it........do it the legal way.

[csaaphill]

http://landrights.org/or/Hammond/Transcript%20of%20Judges%20ruling.pdf
100% facts of what were saying.

[Tom Reichner]

A recent piece on this issue by the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/opinion/bird-watching-patriotism-and-the-oregon-standoff.html?_r=1

Let's hope that no one moves this topic to a place where it will only be seen by a few people - these types of topics are exactly the ones that need to be featured right up front on the main board of Hunting-washington, so that they can be seen and read by the greatest number of forum users.

[csaaphill]

A recent piece on this issue by the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/opinion/bird-watching-patriotism-and-the-oregon-standoff.html?_r=1

Let's hope that no one moves this topic to a place where it will only be seen by a few people - these types of topics are exactly the ones that need to be featured right up front on the main board of Hunting-washington, so that they can be seen and read by the greatest number of forum users.

UHHH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! What people are forgetting if they've read the articles posted on here is that for years it was common practice with the BLM and private ranchers to do was set these fires. 1. to either control evasive species like the Juniper tress, and such, which does in fact help enhance the land rather than hurt it.
2. Obamas Executive orders on this last year along with new Leadership which BTW was under Harry Reid (Which I highly suspect is the real reason for the BLM's stance on this.) have been strong-arming the local Ranchers down there for years to sell.
Also what people fail to see is that what was a common practice has been ended because of the people like anti hunters anti gunners, anti grazers and such. Basically the Greenies are the ones who've had their hand in getting these policy's changed. Obamas EO. agenda 21, a new BLM director who worked under Harry Reid is what's causing all this not some lawless bunch of Ranchers just doing what they want.
This is too about those of us who want individual rights and not have to be part of a collective. UN collective that is.

[Curly]

If junipers are so evasive, you'd think they would be able to avoid the fire.........