WDFW where are you?

[addicted2hunting]

I'm not talking about barrels in the backyard or launchers... but that stuff is where it starts... The rest is applying it on wild birds which is where hunting comes in... But yes I do see the point of the time commitment it takes to jump through all the trial hoops. Which by no means field trial dogs are the better hunters it's just a different dog game people like to play... At the end of the day we have these dogs for one reason and that's to hunt and have a best friend around the house... Which sounds to me like you don't get to spend much time with your best friend?

[constructeur]

You don't get responses to your posts because you present yourself as a butt hole. Nearly all of your posts are either you gloating of what your pro trainer has done with your dog, or you finding some nit to pick or hair to split, with someone and you end with calling them names.

boot hunter= regular joe with a self trained dog

Reply if you want, but I've said my piece and I'm done. After reading your mental masturbation for a long time I just wanted to point out to you that it's you that looks 'stupid' as you like to say, and that you're irrelevant on this forum.

[jetjockey]

I'm not talking about barrels in the backyard or launchers... but that stuff is where it starts... The rest is applying it on wild birds which is where hunting comes in... But yes I do see the point of the time commitment it takes to jump through all the trial hoops. Which by no means field trial dogs are the better hunters it's just a different dog game people like to play... At the end of the day we have these dogs for one reason and that's to hunt and have a best friend around the house... Which sounds to me like you don't get to spend much time with your best friend?

That's the great thing about trials, hunting, and sending a dog to camp.  You get to spend 8 months of the year playing dog games.  You don't get to do that if you just hunt them. 

[jetjockey]

You don't get responses to your posts because you present yourself as a butt hole. Nearly all of your posts are either you gloating of what your pro trainer has done with your dog, or you finding some nit to pick or hair to split, with someone and you end with calling them names.

boot hunter= regular joe with a self trained dog

Reply if you want, but I've said my piece and I'm done. After reading your mental masturbation for a long time I just wanted to point out to you that it's you that looks 'stupid' as you like to say, and that you're irrelevant on this forum.

Can a trial dog that hunts a ton not be a "boot hunter"?   What about a dog that is used for trialing half the hunting season, and is guide dog the other half.  Is that not a "boot hunter"?  What about a dog that hunts during hunting season, and trials when it's not hunted?  See how rediculous the "boot hunter" label is.

Btw.  Your opinion means squat to me!

[addicted2hunting]

I'm not talking about barrels in the backyard or launchers... but that stuff is where it starts... The rest is applying it on wild birds which is where hunting comes in... But yes I do see the point of the time commitment it takes to jump through all the trial hoops. Which by no means field trial dogs are the better hunters it's just a different dog game people like to play... At the end of the day we have these dogs for one reason and that's to hunt and have a best friend around the house... Which sounds to me like you don't get to spend much time with your best friend?

That's the great thing about trials, hunting, and sending a dog to camp.  You get to spend 8 months of the year playing dog games.  You don't get to do that if you just hunt them.

Oh and that's what the dog games are for is to extend the fun you have with your buddy. But you miss a a huge portion of the fun and fulfillment if you have a trainer do the training. I'd rather score lower with my self trained dog than get a high score with my dog that was pro trained.

[addicted2hunting]

But I only do hunt tests not trials and I train dogs that are jack of all trades not a specialist. I can hunt my dog for waterfowl over frozen marsh then go hunt chukar with the same dog...

[jetjockey]

That's the difference between trials and tests.  In trials, you don't get points, you either beat the best dogs or you don't.  AKC places 4 dogs, AF places a Champion and RU champion, and at the AF Nationals, you win or go home, there is no second place.  If a Pro shows up with his string, your going to waste an entry fee because unless your a really, really good amateur, your not going to be able to compete.  That's one reason they have amateur stakes.  Pros go through tons of dogs finding that needle in the haystack dog capable of competing at the highest level.  Most Amateurs don't have that ability.  Even  if you beat the Pro in your brace, he's just going to go back in the trailer and get another dog just as good if not better than the one you beat.   In Hunt tests, you compete against a standard.  You can finish a dog even if it's the worst dog at the Hunt tests, provided it meets the standard.  It doesn't work that way in trials.

[addicted2hunting]

That's the difference between trials and tests.  In trials, you don't get points, you either beat the best dogs or you don't.  AKC places 4 dogs, AF places a Champion and RU champion, and at the AF Nationals, you win or go home, there is no second place.  If a Pro shows up with his string, your going to waste an entry fee because unless your a really, really good amateur, your not going to be able to compete.  That's one reason they have amateur stakes.  Pros go through tons of dogs finding that needle in the haystack dog capable of competing at the highest level.  Most Amateurs don't have that ability.  Even  if you beat the Pro in your brace, he's just going to go back in the trailer and get another dog just as good if not better than the one you beat.   In Hunt tests, you compete against a standard.  You can finish a dog even if it's the worst dog at the Hunt tests, provided it meets the standard.  It doesn't work that way in trials.

Yeah and that's totally fine, I'll never probably play field trials except nstra stuff. But in Washington like I stated above, it's far outweighed by the retriever world. In the Midwest it's the other way around so that's why it's such a huge deal there. But you won't find much in terms of support here talking about your britts being pro trained and ran in these big trials... Or in your big time field trial ventures... Cause us in Washington aren't interested in what goes on in Georgia ETC.... There are plenty field trials in Washington but it doesn't get the big exposure because we live in a liberal state...

[jetjockey]

I agree.  And that's a good answer to the OP's question.  But you also have the issue of exposure and support.  If more people had the opportunity to be exposed to it, more people would do it.  I got into it by accident.  One blue ribbon in a derby trial and I was hooked.  All I wanted was a dog to hunt with.  That turned into trips to summer camp, running my dog, and then breeding to try and get another trial dog.  It's addicting, and a ton of fun.  I'm to the point where I think I like trials more than hunting.  There's a huge rush in trials you just can't get while hunting.  Watching your dog go over the hill knowing you might not see it again, and knowing your on the cusp of winning, is a huge thrill.  Watching a dog hit an edge and follow it for several hundred yards only to watch it swap ends and look like a million bucks while standing is awesome, especially when you see the judges sit up and take notice.  It's too bad the state doesn't support that more. 

[AspenBud]

I'm not talking about barrels in the backyard or launchers... but that stuff is where it starts... The rest is applying it on wild birds which is where hunting comes in... But yes I do see the point of the time commitment it takes to jump through all the trial hoops. Which by no means field trial dogs are the better hunters it's just a different dog game people like to play...

Trials are used as a way to prove dogs and to select the best candidates for breeding. Much the same as hunt tests.

If a dog can handle the extremes demanded in field trialing, from training to performance, it's offspring will likely be able to handle anything a hunter throws at it.

Case in point, Mile Post 9, if generations of dogs from a line have proven themselves there and you are a regular chukar hunter, those dogs would be worth checking out.

Don't get me wrong, there is a fun component to trialing too, but there is a practical side to it from a breeding perspective and if you are looking for a pup.

[Happy Gilmore]

That's the difference between trials and tests.  In trials, you don't get points, you either beat the best dogs or you don't.  AKC places 4 dogs, AF places a Champion and RU champion, and at the AF Nationals, you win or go home, there is no second place.  If a Pro shows up with his string, your going to waste an entry fee because unless your a really, really good amateur, your not going to be able to compete.  That's one reason they have amateur stakes.  Pros go through tons of dogs finding that needle in the haystack dog capable of competing at the highest level.  Most Amateurs don't have that ability.  Even  if you beat the Pro in your brace, he's just going to go back in the trailer and get another dog just as good if not better than the one you beat.   In Hunt tests, you compete against a standard.  You can finish a dog even if it's the worst dog at the Hunt tests, provided it meets the standard.  It doesn't work that way in trials.

Yeah and that's totally fine, I'll never probably play field trials except nstra stuff. But in Washington like I stated above, it's far outweighed by the retriever world. In the Midwest it's the other way around so that's why it's such a huge deal there. But you won't find much in terms of support here talking about your britts being pro trained and ran in these big trials... Or in your big time field trial ventures... Cause us in Washington aren't interested in what goes on in Georgia ETC.... There are plenty field trials in Washington but it doesn't get the big exposure because we live in a liberal state...

The South is HUGE in retrievers...HUUUUUGGGEEEE... Same with Texas. 150 dog Open stakes in field trials weekend after weekend. The south gets a bit of that too. Usually, 2-3 100+ dog open stakes going the same weekend within 200-300 miles of one another too.

[constructeur]

Trials are used as a way to prove dogs and to select the best candidates for breeding. Much the same as hunt tests.

If a dog can handle the extremes demanded in field trialing, from training to performance, it's offspring will likely be able to handle anything a hunter throws at it.

Case in point, Mile Post 9, if generations of dogs from a line have proven themselves there and you are a regular chukar hunter, those dogs would be worth checking out.

Don't get me wrong, there is a fun component to trialing too, but there is a practical side to it from a breeding perspective and if you are looking for a pup.

I can see this perspective, but think that in reality it doesn't happen all that often, at least not in our neck of the woods. All I've seen from trial outfits are versatiles that have been bred/trained to be specialist (think shorthairs that won't swim, EP's that are afraid to jump a small creek for a bird, etc.) which really has an extremely limited use in the PNW.

Another issue at hand is the competitive vs. comparative styles of testing/training. With the AKC, NASTRA, etc. style there is too much variation, personal opinion/prejudice involved for my liking. (though we may run my shorty in some trails next year, I would nevermake a breeding decision based on trial intel/opinion.)

I guess all this boils down to a couple of us on here wanting very different things than the majority. You'll never find Addicted or I verbally jacking each other off at a test of training day, we're there to build good dogs and stone as many birds a season as possible, period.

[jetjockey]

If you say so..