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ATV owners, time to wake up!
« on: January 13, 2017, 09:55:02 AM »
Just received this in a email.  :bash:  MVCC and Conservation Northwest have some whacked out people as members BUT obviously better lawyers!


New environmental review required before roads can be approved for use

Photo by Marcy Stamper
Signs like this will need to be removed or covered on nearly 600 miles of county roads until ATV environmental impact assessments are completed.

By Marcy Stamper

Okanogan County will have to close 597 miles of roads to all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) and do a thorough review of possible environmental impacts before opening any more roads to the vehicles.

The ruling is a result of a decision by the state Supreme Court not to hear the case, which leaves in place a Court of Appeals decision from June 2016 that found the county’s environmental analysis of the impacts of allowing ATVs to use the roads was “almost devoid of specific information.”

Okanogan County had asked the high court to review the case, arguing that it had been filed in the wrong jurisdiction.

The Supreme Court decision brings ends a nearly three-year-long legal battle between the county and the Methow Valley Citizens Council (MVCC) and Conservation Northwest, who filed repeated challenges to the county’s efforts to open additional roads to ATVs.

MVCC and Conservation Northwest contended that allowing ATVs to use all county roads with speed limits of 35 miles per hour (mph) or less would have significant impacts on the environment. The county is required to take these impacts into account, they said.

In a 2-to-1 ruling in June 2016, Court of Appeals agreed that the state Environmental Policy Act (SEPA) requires the county to assess potential impacts on the environment, including on water, air quality, and wildlife habitat. The court ordered county officials to prepare an environmental checklist with a complete disclosure and review of relevant information if the county wants to adopt another ordinance allowing ATVs to travel on county roads.

The environmental review must cover increased traffic, off-road use, noise, and the impact on endangered species caused by both legal and illegal traffic, the court said.

In the 2014 environmental checklist, Okanogan County Planning Director Perry Huston concluded that because ATVs would be traveling on existing roads already used by other vehicles, there would be no new environmental impacts.

“The bottom line is that there is overwhelming evidence from land-management agencies, backcountry hunters and environmental groups of widespread off-road riding,” said Melanie Rowland, an MVCC board member and co-counsel in the lawsuit. “It’s a vexing problem for public-land agencies,” she said.

The county had argued that claims of environmental harm were merely speculative and said the plaintiffs hadn’t pointed to specific roads or areas that would be harmed.

Rowland acknowledged that is unusual to assess the environmental impacts of violations of the law, but said evidence presented to the county of illegal ATV activity, in the state and across the country, was so overwhelming that the Court of Appeals agreed it must be taken into account.

“The county received overwhelming evidence of negative impacts, including evidence of actual off-road riding that damaged specified locations. Photographs confirmed the environmental harm,” said the Court of Appeals judges in their ruling.

But the dissenting Court of Appeals judge wrote, “There will always be people who violate the laws, but we do not measure the environmental impacts of a new regulation by looking to the conduct of those who violate other laws.”
‘Letting the dust settle’

“We have to take all the signs down and basically start over from square one,” said Okanogan County Commissioner Andy Hover last week after learning about the Supreme Court’s decision.

Hover said the commissioners will have to pursue the issue with ATV user groups and environmental groups including MVCC, but said they intend to “let the dust settle a little bit.” Hover said he is confident that county staff have a good sense of what they need to do to create “a good plan that isn’t all or none.”

Now that the Supreme Court has declined to take the case, the Court of Appeals must send a letter to the county within 30 days of the Jan. 4 decision ordering the county to comply with their ruling invalidating the ordinance that opened the 597 miles of roads to ATVs. The county will also have to take down or otherwise obscure the signs stating that roads are open to ATVs, said Rowland.

After that, the county can consider opening roads to ATVs, but must first do a meaningful environmental analysis, which would include location (including whether they traverse environmentally sensitive areas like wetlands), length (some of the roads previously opened were only a fraction of a mile), and the risks of off-road travel, said Rowland. It would include public input and a public hearing.

MVCC is not opposed to allowing ATVs to use some county roads, but “we want them to be sensible,” said Rowland. “Most ATV riders are responsible — absolutely,” she said.

The dispute over where ATVs may travel in the county dates back to a 2013 state law that was intended to increase opportunities for ATV riders while decreasing unlawful and environmentally harmful motorized recreation. It created a new class of wheeled ATVs with safety features and special licenses that could ride on roads of 35 mph or less. Decisions as to which roads would be open to ATVs were left to local jurisdictions.

Immediately after the law went into effect, the Okanogan County commissioners opened all county roads with speed limits under 35 mph to ATVs. They were compelled to close the roads again after a challenge by MVCC and Conservation Northwest over the lack of an environmental review.

The ordinance at issue in this case was adopted in 2014, accompanied by the environmental checklist the Court of Appeals judges deemed inadequate. That environmental review had been upheld in Okanogan County Superior Court in 2014.

Okanogan County has 336 miles of roads that were open to ATVs before 2014. These roads are not affected by the ruling and will remain open.

In an indication of the potential for broader ramifications of the local ATV case, Rowland and Sandy Mackie, the special deputy prosecuting attorney for Okanogan County who handled the ATV case, will conduct a session on the case at a law seminar about the environmental policy act later this month. Law Seminars International calls the Okanogan County lawsuit “an unusual case that raises several interesting SEPA issues.”
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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2017, 03:58:59 PM »
I don't own an ATV, but as an Okanogan County resident this really hacks me off. How can an ATV/UTV on a road cause any more damage than a car or truck? The idea that someone might go off the road and cause damage is ridiculous. If someone does that, cite them. It bothers me that an entire user group is guilty of crimes that haven't happened. I live on the poor side of the county, and see folks driving them. I don't think that will change much with the lack of LEO's in these parts. Maybe I'm wrong, and they will enforce it, but I think it would take a while to get caught.   

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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2017, 04:28:16 PM »
This being a court ruling it can be enforced though out the state.The yogurt choker's are going to be all over this. Olympia needs to visit this issue.I see a class action by the people that bought in good faith that they could ride their ATV's.The wacko's have gone to far.  :bash:

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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 05:18:02 PM »
 :yeah:
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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 06:14:50 PM »
I don't own an ATV, but as an Okanogan County resident this really hacks me off. How can an ATV/UTV on a road cause any more damage than a car or truck? The idea that someone might go off the road and cause damage is ridiculous. If someone does that, cite them. It bothers me that an entire user group is guilty of crimes that haven't happened. I live on the poor side of the county, and see folks driving them. I don't think that will change much with the lack of LEO's in these parts. Maybe I'm wrong, and they will enforce it, but I think it would take a while to get caught.

You can't think of how ATV use could damage roads?

Areas with ATV use around here are awful. They try to run up steep slopes off the shoulder and tear up the ground. They like to hit the mud pools head on for some reason and tear those up too.

I'm not sure about the environmental damage claims, but I definitely prefer to be driving where ATVs aren't allowed

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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2017, 06:47:19 PM »
The commies are in control. I really feel sorry for you ATV owners. Start going to Stevens County. All roads are open to ORVs. Except the state highway..
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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2017, 06:50:25 PM »
I don't own an ATV, but as an Okanogan County resident this really hacks me off. How can an ATV/UTV on a road cause any more damage than a car or truck? The idea that someone might go off the road and cause damage is ridiculous. If someone does that, cite them. It bothers me that an entire user group is guilty of crimes that haven't happened. I live on the poor side of the county, and see folks driving them. I don't think that will change much with the lack of LEO's in these parts. Maybe I'm wrong, and they will enforce it, but I think it would take a while to get caught.

You can't think of how ATV use could damage roads?

Areas with ATV use around here are awful. They try to run up steep slopes off the shoulder and tear up the ground. They like to hit the mud pools head on for some reason and tear those up too.

I'm not sure about the environmental damage claims, but I definitely prefer to be driving where ATVs aren't allowed

I've not seen damage to hillsides here, and am sorry to see it happening in your area. If they are driving on the hillsides or off the shoulder, that's not on the road, and is illegal as far as I know. I just don't like to see an entire user group punished by the bad actions of a few.

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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 07:33:40 PM »
99% of ALL damage to mud holes and hillsides I've seen, are from 4x4's and motorcycles. ATV's are just a scapegoat just for the treehuggers to use as another way to control OUR lands. I hate the enviro, commie, leftist treehuggers, who want everything in their control and take away our way of recreating on OUR lands.
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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2017, 07:42:59 PM »
The commies are in control. I really feel sorry for you ATV owners. Start going to Stevens County. All roads are open to ORVs. Except the state highway..

I don't like damm tree huggers too,Stevens county is the best on atv use , but also fifty new gates and closed roads every year to all motor vehicles,when I was a kid u could drive everywhere lucky to see one gate now I can't count them on all your hands and feet in one day.seems like everybody drives around gates anymore which falls under the need for more enforcement,which will happen with the trails there trying to close now .rant over.

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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2017, 08:27:21 PM »
Nothing sucks worse than hoofing it in and having a atv scream on by behind a locked gate.  :bash:

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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2017, 08:31:54 PM »
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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2017, 05:53:21 AM »
I remember in Joe Watt, they had the green dot roads and the other roads you weren't supposed to be on. Same thing there, walk in and and have a load of drunk Sheriffs drive on it anyhow. They thought they were above the law. We confronted them, but nothing you could do about it.. So, it's not only the ATVers fellas who are totally wrong. I wish you guys would realize that. You're only in your priceless hunting spot a week or two outta the year. You forget, ranchers, Border Patrol, USFS, USFWS and a bunch more are in those areas working, LEGALLY. The animals are used to the noise. The more the greenies lock any motorized group out, the worse it'll be.
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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2017, 09:43:53 AM »
"...evidence presented to the county of illegal ATV activity, in the state and across the country, was so overwhelming that the Court of Appeals agreed it must be taken into account."

So instead of depending on 'enforcement' to manage this, how about if ATV users started to follow the laws in place before demanding unlimited road access?  There isn't enough manpower in the county to enforce gates in Okanogan if that was the only thing they did. 


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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2017, 10:17:04 AM »
They didn't close the roads...they reversed a rule that didn't consider environmental impacts. Now they will, the sepa studies will be done, and the roads will re-open.I quite frankly see this as a non-issue.
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Re: ATV owners, time to wake up!
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