Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[trophyhunt]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

I was hunting with a buddy a few years back.  We rattled in a nice 3pt mule deer.  It was nasty weather and he had a hang fire, because it's a primitive weapon and that can happen.  The hit was poor and the deer had a busted leg.  By the time we got up and over the ridge he was already across the next canyon.  With a hit animal, the goal is to put them down.  Cody got prone on his pack, gave the buck a good lead and touched one off.  Hit that buck between the shoulder blades, through the spine, vitals, out the bottom of the brisket, and lodged in the hide at the front of the chest.  That shot was 380 yards.  300 grain slug and 100gr of fff.  They will absolutely kill at farther ranges.

That far and on the run, with a 300 grain muzzy bullet??  That is probably the best shot I've ever heard of, amazing!  I'm not being a wise ass Karl, seriously, that's an incredible feat.

Not on the run jerry.  I gave him a coyote howl as he was climbing the wall on the other side of the canyon.  Buck stopped and Cody was able to get the shot off.

oh, ok.  Still a hell of a shot, I bet that was fun to see!

[Oh Mah]

bull.this fight was over inlines only a couple years ago.inline were fought by people that did not think they were primitive enough all goes together in this thread,i will keep arguing for hunters that want to change the sport for the better.i dont want the fight i want all hunters to work together.the hunters that want their way and only their way for no good reason is a problem

Seems to me this thread is about nonmagnified scopes and has nothing to do with inlines... maybe you should re read the title

this thread and all other threads that discuss the regs is about hunters working these things out together and then pushing them together.i am still waiting for a good reason for NON MAGNIFIED SCOPES ON MUZZY. let alone anything else i've argued

[BULLBLASTER]

bull.this fight was over inlines only a couple years ago.inline were fought by people that did not think they were primitive enough all goes together in this thread,i will keep arguing for hunters that want to change the sport for the better.i dont want the fight i want all hunters to work together.the hunters that want their way and only their way for no good reason is a problem

Seems to me this thread is about nonmagnified scopes and has nothing to do with inlines... maybe you should re read the title

this thread and all other threads that discuss the regs is about hunters working these things out together and then pushing them together.i am still waiting for a good reason for NON MAGNIFIED SCOPES ON MUZZY. let alone anything else i've argued

That's funny. The thread title still says nonmagnified scopes... not whatever you are trying to make it say.

In my opinion a scope on a muzzy would make it more aligned with modern firearm and it should be used in that season.

[Karl Blanchard]

To answer your previous question, an eotech or similar optic is a much more accurate aiming system than anything you can currently put on a muzzy.  It would greatly extend the range of a muzzy.  If I had a way to mount mine on my muzzy I'd go shoot some steel at long range to prove my point

[Oh Mah]

bull.this fight was over inlines only a couple years ago.inline were fought by people that did not think they were primitive enough all goes together in this thread,i will keep arguing for hunters that want to change the sport for the better.i dont want the fight i want all hunters to work together.the hunters that want their way and only their way for no good reason is a problem

Seems to me this thread is about nonmagnified scopes and has nothing to do with inlines... maybe you should re read the title

this thread and all other threads that discuss the regs is about hunters working these things out together and then pushing them together.i am still waiting for a good reason for NON MAGNIFIED SCOPES ON MUZZY. let alone anything else i've argued

That's funny. The thread title still says nonmagnified scopes... not whatever you are trying to make it say.

In my opinion a scope on a muzzy would make it more aligned with modern firearm and it should be used in that season.

I THINK YOU SHOULD READ THE OP OPENING STATEMENT,Then pull your foot out of your mouth for making this statement on what this thread is about

[hunter399]

Everbody wants something different ,that's the biggest problem with changing anything hunting reg .It is what is it.

[BULLBLASTER]

A representative is asking on Facebook what people think about this, this is my opinion.               Non magnifying scope isn't going to guarantee a kill guys, it may help with reduced poor shots and finding game.  We still have an open breech, exposed to weather, we still have a single shot short range weapon. Hunters need to stick together, I really don't see how this changes a whole lot.  Fiber optic sights are pretty good and peep sights as well, those guys who shoot often and well probably won't be running to the store to put a non mag scope on.  Archery got expandable broadheads, and more let off, I've seen guys shoot over 100 yards accurately.  I was ok with expandable broad heads because I thought it would help a bit w accuracy and the recovery of wounded animals.  Rifle guys now have scopes that give them a 1,000 + yard shooting range!  I hunt with all 3 weapons, I also support all 3.  This isn't a green light that gives muzzy guys normal power scopes, when that option does come up, then I'd say no.  But non optics, not that big of a deal guys.  I fully support this!

i quoted it for you oh mah. It talks about nonmagnified scopes. Just like the title. You know larger font and all caps may get your points across better. 

[Jonathan_S]

Horses can be lead to water but they certainly cannot be made to drink. Wealth of knowledge on this thread for those who can read. Glad that despite the bum fight in this thread, there has been good discussion and experience shared.

[hunter399]

The words bum fights ,makes me wanna go YouTube right now.

[Karl Blanchard]

Simple fact is, if we continue to modernize our weapons, both archery AND muzzleloader, harvest rates go up, and seasons go away or disappear.  This is an un-disputable fact. It's already happening.  Is a loss of days in the field worth being able to shoot another 100 yards......

[Oh Mah]

A representative is asking on Facebook what people think about this, this is my opinion.               Non magnifying scope isn't going to guarantee a kill guys, it may help with reduced poor shots and finding game.  We still have an open breech, exposed to weather, we still have a single shot short range weapon. Hunters need to stick together, I really don't see how this changes a whole lot.  Fiber optic sights are pretty good and peep sights as well, those guys who shoot often and well probably won't be running to the store to put a non mag scope on.  Archery got expandable broadheads, and more let off, I've seen guys shoot over 100 yards accurately.  I was ok with expandable broad heads because I thought it would help a bit w accuracy and the recovery of wounded animals.  Rifle guys now have scopes that give them a 1,000 + yard shooting range!  I hunt with all 3 weapons, I also support all 3.  This isn't a green light that gives muzzy guys normal power scopes, when that option does come up, then I'd say no.  But non optics, not that big of a deal guys.  I fully support this!

i quoted it for you oh mah. It talks about nonmagnified scopes. Just like the title. You know larger font and all caps may get your points across better. 

his opening statements say it all,you dont want it you dont want it

[BULLBLASTER]

The words bum fights ,makes me wanna go YouTube right now.

oh no!!!!

[Oh Mah]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

50's are usually a 28 twist.

only if its an inline but we already went over this

[Oh Mah]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

I was hunting with a buddy a few years back.  We rattled in a nice 3pt mule deer.  It was nasty weather and he had a hang fire, because it's a primitive weapon and that can happen.  The hit was poor and the deer had a busted leg.  By the time we got up and over the ridge he was already across the next canyon.  With a hit animal, the goal is to put them down.  Cody got prone on his pack, gave the buck a good lead and touched one off.  Hit that buck between the shoulder blades, through the spine, vitals, out the bottom of the brisket, and lodged in the hide at the front of the chest.  That shot was 380 yards.  300 grain slug and 100gr of fff.  They will absolutely kill at farther ranges.

Around 700 fps,about 350 fp energy, around 200 in (actually more like 110) bullet drop with a 100 yard zero.....?

[Karl Blanchard]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

I was hunting with a buddy a few years back.  We rattled in a nice 3pt mule deer.  It was nasty weather and he had a hang fire, because it's a primitive weapon and that can happen.  The hit was poor and the deer had a busted leg.  By the time we got up and over the ridge he was already across the next canyon.  With a hit animal, the goal is to put them down.  Cody got prone on his pack, gave the buck a good lead and touched one off.  Hit that buck between the shoulder blades, through the spine, vitals, out the bottom of the brisket, and lodged in the hide at the front of the chest.  That shot was 380 yards.  300 grain slug and 100gr of fff.  They will absolutely kill at farther ranges.

Around 700 fps,about 350 fp energy, around 200 in bullet drop with a 100 yard zero.....?

No clue what he zeroes at, not my rifle.  I haven't chronographed his muzzy at 380 yards so I have no idea what his fps are at that range and neither can you.  Ballistic calculators have to be trued to be accurate and you are obviously trying to use a calculator to prove some unknown point.  You don't know his muzzle velocity or b.c. of his bullet either so you are basically just making up numbers.