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There are very few deer on the new wolf range, some wolvse have been hitting the deer hard in Benson crick and Finally canyon lately and a fellow saw five up in bear crick last week above perigen lake. Slider, I heard through some channels that the game department wants to buy Booth and Davis canyon just the other side of the golden Doe. Rumur has it the rancher doesn't want to sell, can the feds emenatdomane it from him and pay what they wish? This rancher lost 16 head of cows last year, beleived to be from wolves, not of course beleived by wolf people,, as these new wolves mostly eat salmon.
I don't know how they will explain such a large wolf population jump from just one wolf pack. This winter will really show how many wolves we now have. When whats left of our deer herd drops into the lowlands, with the wolves on their heels and the wolves start killing everyones livestock because there are not enough deer to feed them. How do you explain that many wolves from one pack? In reality we probably have our wolf quota right now for delisting.
Once that task is accomplished we can move to delisting and management.
QuoteOnce that task is accomplished we can move to delisting and management. Then we an wade through 15 years of lawsuits and watch our wildlife disappear.
Quote from: WDFW-SUX on June 19, 2009, 08:21:46 AMQuoteOnce that task is accomplished we can move to delisting and management. Then we an wade through 15 years of lawsuits and watch our wildlife disappear.Yep, I think the only way we can have any affect on the outcome of this is to let as many people know the true situation, the more people that get involved the better the chances of change there is. Over the years people have been brainwashed where the wolves are concerned, but if people can see all the devistation that they cause with no management well? Squeeky wheel gits the grease.
Quote from: wolfbait on June 19, 2009, 08:39:28 AMQuote from: WDFW-SUX on June 19, 2009, 08:21:46 AMQuoteOnce that task is accomplished we can move to delisting and management. Then we an wade through 15 years of lawsuits and watch our wildlife disappear.Yep, I think the only way we can have any affect on the outcome of this is to let as many people know the true situation, the more people that get involved the better the chances of change there is. Over the years people have been brainwashed where the wolves are concerned, but if people can see all the devistation that they cause with no management well? Squeeky wheel gits the grease. I'm not sure that having a bunch of people riled up about wolves is going to do any good in moving towards management. The Wolf Management plan is what is going to determine population #'s and recovery goals. That draft is completed and headed towards Peer Review, It sounds like Giest will get to take a look and make whatever comments he feels necessary. What you could do to help is comment on the plan. If you actually wanted to help, gathering accurate population data is the best thing you could do. Why don't you push for some sort of study on deer mortality in the methow? Collar deer and follow to determine mortality? Then some data would back your claim that the wolves are eating all the deer.
In the end, the WDFW will be the ones making the decision.
QuoteIn the end, the WDFW will be the ones making the decision.Nope. The federal courts will be.
Quote from: WDFW-SUX on June 22, 2009, 07:43:45 AMQuoteIn the end, the WDFW will be the ones making the decision.Nope. The federal courts will be.Well, like ID and MT we should eventually be able to make the decision at a state level. We are getting a wolf management plan together and should be ready to take over responsibilty when the wolves are recovered. That's why we need to document animals and reproduction- we need to get to that stage in the process.
as these new wolves mostly eat salmon.