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No wolves in the central cascades....... how long have you worked for the wdfw oh Mah?
Quote from: trophyhunt on May 04, 2018, 06:17:24 AMNo wolves in the central cascades....... how long have you worked for the wdfw oh Mah?Even WDFW doesn't deny their presence in the central cascades. There are confirmed packs!!There are videos on the forum a member posted a month or 2 ago of a wolf in central WA. What the heck?
No packs south of Chinook Pass. Hunting still sucks as all other predators are doing well.Funny though, We were up howling on White Pass last fall and a hunter from another camp asked us if we heard the wolves? lol
I think the matter of fact is that this state is extremely predator friendly! Period. Whether we are talking about wolves bears cats or people.
It's the constant harassing and chasing that's so different with wolves, the herds consume a lot more calories and stress a lot more with wolves than other predators. A bear doesn't cause much stir with elk until they nab a fawn but even then they aren't running around all over the country, deer run off a ways blow and snort but it's not a big deal with a bear, they waddle around grazing them BAM! take a deer or fawn, crate a bit of havoc for a few minutes but it's over and done and very localized. Cougars are like a lightning strike, BAM! and done, very little herd panic. Nearby deer all run down the mountain for a mile or three then calm down as no one is chasing them. wolves, very different. They aren't stalk and pounce predators and could care less if the deer/elk/moose see them coming. They simply chase them relentlessly until one of the pack has locked on an animal, several of the pack can all lock onto animals as the whole herd gets chased for miles and miles then finally some will peel off and help bring down a big animal like elk, or several of the pack might all bring down multiple deer and spread out for miles chasing deer, they might be in pairs or "lone" in deer country but they aren't really all alone. With wolves the whole herd spends gobs of calories in extended chases that last for hours/days, if the cows have calves those calves go hungry and start calling, in come the bears, cougar and coyotes cashing in on undefended fawns making racket for their mamma's who are running for their lives. Direct kills by wolves aren't what the biggest problem is, it's the indirect kills. In winter a non stressed herd can conserve calories and make it through the tough Feb/Mar and even April months, but a herd that's being chased non-stop all winter might not conserve enough calories and become a buzz word "winter kill", yes winter kill can happen without wolves or other stresses, but wolves exacerbate it big time. If a big animal is running through snow that's a bunch of calories being burnt, ever see a moose or elk quivering and shaking in the cold after a long run? That's a lot of stress and can kill them even though no wolves are around it now (it got away, made it humans, wolves peeled off for a different animal that didn't make it) they did harasses it to that point.
Quote from: Cougartail on May 04, 2018, 09:43:09 AMNo packs south of Chinook Pass. Hunting still sucks as all other predators are doing well.Funny though, We were up howling on White Pass last fall and a hunter from another camp asked us if we heard the wolves? lolThere’s wolves in rimrock
You can find plenty of articles saying wolves aren't bad, that they only take the sick and wounded and make the herds stronger and make you a better hunter. I don't get my information from a magazine or some college professor in charge of large carnivore studies sitting in a classroom at WSU. edit:Actually now I've read the article it doesn't contradict me at all if you take out the obvious bias and just stick to the facts presented, funny thing is the facts in the article directly contradict the researchers own narrative. Read it again with a unbiased eye and filter out the facts, then re-read what I wrote. It's in there, if you can see it.
