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Re: New Elk Starving Videos Mt Saint Helens.
« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2009, 09:55:31 PM »
Yes you can Email mark at ecoparkman@mac.com or me at barnes.b@comcast.net or mount saint helens rescue.com.

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Re: New Elk Starving Videos Mt Saint Helens.
« Reply #106 on: March 25, 2009, 10:51:36 AM »
Took my time to read all eight pages...whew. My $.02

The wdfw is totally at blame here.
By trying to create a "quality" westside hunt in order to sell permits and have an elk viewing area, the state has damaged the herd.

The herd size has exceeded its carrying capacity. Feeding the elk is not what this herd needs, it needs proper management to control the herd size.

Length of hunting season or prolonged hunting pressure may have an effect but this area has been locked up with very few permits given out for hunting.

Revenue based hunting permit management doesn't work, not on the east side or west.

Why aren't we feeding elk in the ryderwood? I wonder :bash:
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Re: New Elk Starving Videos Mt Saint Helens.
« Reply #107 on: March 25, 2009, 01:26:37 PM »
The Daily News Article...
 
If you missed it on Friday, February 6, 2009
In fact, the WDFW doesn’t recommend that anyone else feed elk. ... it's never fun for a huter and wildlife enthusiast to see elk starving...

Link:
http://www.tdn.com/articles/2009/02/06/this_day/doc498c6d3e0fc30585387160.txt

Take Two:
http://www.kvnews.com/articles/2009/02/12/news/doc4993296e1751c307073598.txt


Elk Herd Population Needs Better Management Practices.

Washington needs to take care of its natural renewable resources. The public seems to be able to band together and stop "Elmer" from hunting in the forest as a sound game management practice, but when those same animals are starving, where are they? Logging was attacked here in Washington several years ago. Proper logging techniques promote new understory growth for forage of deer, elk, and many other animals. With logging under such scrutiny less of these forage areas are created, and less food has been the result. The anti-hunting community can't stand for a hunter to go into the woods as he has done since the beginning of time and kill a deer or an elk. However, these same people seem to not care when these animals are starving to death, literally, in the winter time. The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife seem to either not have the animals best interest at heart, or have a plan that most others don't understand. It is estimated that 55 percent of the elk herd population has died off in the wintering ranges. With proper management this doesn't need to happen. Letting animals starve to death as a management practice isn't a humane or viable option in managing our natural renewable resources.


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Re: New Elk Starving Videos Mt Saint Helens.
« Reply #108 on: March 25, 2009, 01:34:24 PM »
What the  >:( :bash:   Tribe Opposes Increased Elk Hunt .....

Read it here Hot off the Press :fire.:  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 10:32 am
 
Tribe Opposes Increased Elk Hunt  Biologist: Herd Is Fragile; Commissioner: Thinning Will Reduce Property Damage...

Go to link here or read below...
http://www.outdoorslc.com/story.php?subaction=showfull&id=1234373577&archive=&start_from=&ucat=5

By Dan Schreiber
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Dan Schreiber: (360) 807-8239

A state recommendation for increased elk hunting in East Lewis County has prompted the Puyallup Tribe of Indians to put out a petition aimed at reversing the move, which was prompted in part by residents' damage complaints of trampled yards and gardens.

No solid figure exists for the number of elk that make up the so-called South Rainier herd, which migrate between the mountain and the valley where U.S. Highway 12 passes through Morton, Randle and Packwood. Residents there are accustomed to the roaming and grazing of the animals, which sometimes tromp through fences and hang around the paved areas of the towns.

The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife held meetings over the summer in East County to decide what hunting regulations to set for the 2009-2011 biennium, and concluded in a draft report that it would be appropriate to issue hunting tags for 79 female elk, an increase of about 45 over the area's 2008 threshold.

Barbara Moeller, a biologist for the tribe, says that will diminish the herd that she estimates to be about 1,000 large, especially since the taking of females will reduce its reproductive ability.

"It would be devastating," Moeller said, adding that male elk -- called bulls -- tend to roam away from grouped females, or cows, and their young. "It makes them easy targets. This idea that there are too many is not based on science."

Moeller and state biologists have said there is little interaction between the South Rainier herd and the Mount St. Helens herd, which exploded in numbers following the volcano's 1980 eruption that took down trees and provided plenty of low shrub and berry grazing land.

The Mount St. Helens numbers have increased so much that the state has sponsored programs to feed starving elk and then issue tags to thin the herd until the population becomes naturally sustainable.

Moeller describes the smaller Rainier herd as "fragile," but Lewis County Commissioner Lee Grose doesn't see it that way.

"I think that 39 elk cows will not diminish the herd significantly and it will help with the damage complaints," Grose said.

Grose says he has been characterized as an elk-hater at pubic meetings on the issue, but that he actually loves living with the elk in his East County district. They are a boon for tourism, and it is neat to be near such a majestic animal outside a zoo, Grose said.

As chronicled in this newspaper, Grose had somewhat of a late night altercation with an elk after he was awoken by his wife, who wasn't happy when one of the animals was eating flowers in her garden. After the commissioner wielded a piece of firewood to try to scare off the elk, it rose to its hind legs and one of its hoofs came down on Grose's foot.

Aside from that night, the commissioner said he has enjoyed an amicable relationship with his antlered neighbors.

"People have got me all wrong," Grose said. "They think I hate the elk and I don't hate the elk."

Grose contends that it is inappropriate for an Indian tribe to oppose the hunt, when other Native American individuals are permitted to hunt in East County without tags. Grose isn't sure what tribe they belong to, but their activities are common, he said.

"If we're going to talk about limiting the hunt, let's limit the hunt for the Indians, too," Grose said. "Let's limit the hunt for everyone."

How to Comment

The public comment period on WDFW's proposed hunting regulations ends Feb. 20.

Comments can be sent to: WDFW, Wildlife Program, 600 Capitol Way N. Olympia, WA 98501-1091.

E-mail comments can be sent to wildthing@dfw.wa.gov.

The Web site for the tribe's petition is: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/wdfw-proposing-to-kill-79-more-cow-elk-annually-in-the-packwood-area

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Re: New Elk Starving Videos Mt Saint Helens.
« Reply #109 on: March 25, 2009, 04:39:39 PM »
Now that I got my rant out I do want to add.

Even though I don't believe feeding the elk is the answer. I do believe we need to help the elk that are there. A bungling wdfw management doesn't mean the elk should starve.

I will help.
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