May 1 st announcement for wolf relocation program in Washington

[KB88]

Well maybe Seattle wolves will attack kale.
I dunno...

Or the heroine addicts that plague the town

[NOCK NOCK]

What's your solution

  I am surprised no one has captured a Wolf and dropped it off in Seattle or Olympia already.  As difficult and illegal as it would be to do, it’s the only way for non hunters to get the message.

Give me a tranq gun and a covered trailer

That sounds like fun, I’m in.........I’ve got a covered trailer.....but, you’ll have to hold my beer when I open it to do the release.   

[Tbar]

I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

It actually can make a difference to the NE if moving them closer to our state's densest population hastens delisting. That's the point of Kretz's bill.

Where do you think they're going to move them to when you say "closer to our state's densest population?" The wolves in the Teanaway are 3 hours closer to me than if they put some into the Olympics. Probably 2-ish hours closer to me than the Mt St Helens area. I live in King County(barely). There are wolves around Mt. Baker...probably 1.5-2 hours from Seattle.
Speaking realistically, you don't really think they'll put them anywhere close to Seattle, do you?

Speaking realistically, I think they'll go where the food is once they come over here. But the main point is filling the requirements for delisting ASAP and then we can start fighting with the eco-freakos about killing them.

Man pianoman I'm glad we have a resident wolf expert like you here. Also your insight into political intent is second to none.  You really have the inside track on this.  Thanks for being such a resource.

On the flip side I've seen a lot of celebration on this idea moving forward from the west side of the state.  I think you'll see welcoming parties before protests.  Just my  though.

[pianoman9701]

Tbar, quit being a troll. Voice an opinion on it or don't. But going after others for no reason is childish. Grow up.

[Jake Dogfish]

I think Pianoman is right on this one.  I do think the commission plans on managing the Wolves once they meet the criteria for delisting.  Wether we will get to that point, and what will change by then?    I don’t see any other options.

[KFhunter]

get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago 

They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA. 

[wolfbait]

I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..

[jackelope]

I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..

There is already a newly confirmed pack on the west side.

[Boss .300 winmag]

I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..

 

[Humptulips]

get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago 

They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA.

Sorry, I don't see wolves making an impact on the vast majority of voters. Sure it will affect wildlife but who cares except a few hunters. That is a pretty small minority anymore.
I don't really see that much economic impact to W WA. Not a lot of ranchers here.  Even when the wolves pick off a few hobby farm animals State officials will throw up their hands and say "Well, they are Federally listed so out of our hands, Too bad, so sorry, tough luck!
And to be honest I don't see wolves expanding very fast here on the Peninsula at least. We're already in a predator pit.

[pianoman9701]

I'm not sure how people can think this is going to make a difference to NE WA. You should know the first place they will look at moving them is the Olympic Peninsula or possibly Mt St Helens. I get you want Seattle to feel your pain but they will never see any wolves. This is exactly what the predator loving groups have been clamoring for. I'm not seeing any positives to this.

Wolves "migrated" to the wet side many years ago, and yes the wet side will eventually see wolves as the prey base is diminished, happens every where that wolves get dumped.

Just because WDF$Frauds haven't confirmed wolf pack/BPs on the wet side doesn't mean they are not there, the moving wolves plan was just a way to make the Dems feel the heat, get a little truth out of them. Kind of like Trump threatening to put illegals in sanctuary cities, they like wolves/illegals, just not in their neck of the woods.

I highly doubt WDFW will follow through unless given the thumbs up from the inslee..

 

I believe it's a legislative mandate. The bill passed which lays out this plan. I doubt Kretz ever thought it would pass and I also doubt the Ds who voted for it understood exactly what it meant.

[jackelope]

get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago 

They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA. 

I believe you...I'm not sure they'll survive over here close to the more populated areas though. Even as close to Seattle as me(30-ish miles I think) where there is larger tracts of woods they might survive, but I don't see them living in Redmond or the like. Cascade foothills, sure. Olympics, yep. SW WA around Mt St Helens or the Goat Rocks or something like that for sure, but that's all big woods, timber, national forest, wilderness, etc. Don't forget with all this generalized west side talk, there is crap tons of wooded and wild land over here too.

 

[pianoman9701]

get in line, I offered up a stock trailer a long time ago 

They'd cure the hoof rot problem, why aren't you in favor of that?


They prey on the weak and sick remember?  Seems like a no brainer to get some of these wolves on the wetside to me.


My offer stands, I'll haul them on my dime with my stock trailer.

Nothing I've read here changes my mind.  There needs to be pain, and it needs to be felt on the west side before this issue will get the traction it needs to be dealt with how it needs to be dealt with.  Having wolves on this side of the state doesn't cause pain on the west side of the state.   

Jackalope I realize the dairies are gone, I do get to your side of the state from time to time and admittedly I'm overly broad about what constitutes "Seattle".   
I do see a lot of potential impact though on your side of the state. 

I can see a boom/bust cycle of wolves in W/WA and it'll be worse than we experienced here in E/WA. 

I believe you...I'm not sure they'll survive over here close to the more populated areas though. Even as close to Seattle as me(30-ish miles I think) where there is larger tracts of woods they might survive, but I don't see them living in Redmond or the like. Cascade foothills, sure. Olympics, yep. SW WA around Mt St Helens or the Goat Rocks or something like that for sure, but that's all big woods, timber, national forest, wilderness, etc. Don't forget with all this generalized west side talk, there is crap tons of wooded and wild land over here too.

They'll survive just about anywhere if no one's killing them. If there's no wildlife, they kill stock. If there's no stock, they'll kill domestic pets, eat garbage, or eventually attack people if they have no reason to fear them. Grey wolves are one of the most adaptive predators on the planet.

[KFhunter]

The Coyote is the bench mark gold standard for adaptability, the gray wolf isn't far behind.  Think on that.

[rainshadow1]

The Earth Muffins hate it, but there's a reason all the literature of old, the Bible, etc, ALWAYS depicted the Wolf as a pestilence. An evil. Destruction. They just are. Earth Muffins want a wilderness environmental image without Man in it, but the fact is, we live here, and very little Man is involved in is simpatico with a thriving Wolf population!

They were eliminated - on purpose - by the old timers.

I don't agree with eradication. I'd like to see or hear one on rare occasions. But severely limited population and an extreme fear of man are definitely an essential part of rural life with Wolves.

When it comes right down to it, the city dwellers aren't relevant.