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[B4noon]

I wouldn’t get hung up on points and calculating odds based upon squaring points by potential applicants obviously the more points you have the slight edge you have but just break it down by total applicants if 500 applicants apply for a hunt with 10 tags you have a 1 in 50 chance of drawing regardless off how many 100 thousands names that are in by multiplier factor regardless the applicant pool is what you should base odds on not points some people get lucky some play harder draws it’s not perfect but it works and we don’t have enough quality tags to justify preference to top point holders nor do we have the level or quality to justify OIL

[Stein]

Would giving a percentage of tags out in preference drawing help at all?  Lets just say 25% of tags go in a preference draw for any hunt that has more than 4 tags?  The remaining 75% would stay in current system.  I don't know enough about preference vs bonus points to know if this,would help at all.

There are only two variables that matter, tags and hunters.  Changing anything else is just tilting the table in this guy’s direction or that guy.


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[blackveltbowhunter]

 

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

[slim9300]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

This is dead on.


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[Oh Mah]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

[huntnphool]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

[GameHunter1959]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

Welcome to the Internet!

[Threewolves]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.
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5 years seems like not that big of deal in your 20s and 30s but in your 60s and 70s it is a big deal.

Also, did you put in for MT Antelope?

[Oh Mah]

If you are asking me yes,If people are talking about me as the one complaining,I am not complaining.I think the system is fine as is just could be better if tweeked a little here and there.I don't have points more than 8 in any category.I simply (as others have)put forward a few ideas that would work it's just the same same every year.People complain about waiting they have max points blah blah blah me me me come up with ideas then they complain more how it wouldn't quite be perfect for them.

5 years is the same for a 20 year old as it is for an 80 year old,If you got your tag booh hooo on you if you have to be done or wait five years for the other guy that is complaining to get his.

[slim9300]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).


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[blackveltbowhunter]

I have read your ideas in the past phool and don't disagree. I like several of them.  I am not complaining. Its fact. More tags or less applicants increases everyones odds period.

While it's my opinion on the WHY, and I could be way off base. Evidence points me to this conclusion so I'm not just spitballing here.

It's my belief that many departments across the West have effectively given themselves an "out" with point systems across the board. Rather than focusing on improving game numbers or quality and reaping the rewards in increased revenue through improved participation in the draw systems, they " give" you a point. An illusion that your odds are increasing. When in reality all incentive to improve the system is gone. In addition to cash revenue, no one can bow out because they have invested their most precious commodity, time.

 

[Oh Mah]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).


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Could you please explain how fish and game would lose a great deal of money with this idea?

1)The successful applicants can still purchase the app. but for points only for 5 years unless the other way where they are done done.

2)What difference would it make?I mean so many on here say they will be out of the point system all together if they ever get drawn anyway.So just arguing to argue.

3)New hunters join in every year adding to the draw system why not just be happy you were able to draw a quality or a any bull tag and let the rest have a chance.

[Stein]

If everyone can buy points, it won't change any draw odds.  Actually, it will make them SLIGHTLY better for 5 years and then every year after that, there will be new entrants jumping back in with 5-6 points every year dragging the odds right back down.  If you compare the number of quality tags issued to the number of applicants, you will see that it's an insignificant percentage, so any waiting periods won't really move the needle.  It's not the few guys that drew that are the issue, it's the horde that didn't draw that is the problem.

Anytime there are more max point holders than tags, there is going to be a problem.  Make more tags or force less applicants or leave it alone.

[slim9300]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).


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Could you please explain how fish and game would lose a great deal of money with this idea?

1)The successful applicants can still purchase the app. but for points only for 5 years unless the other way where they are done done.

2)What difference would it make?I mean so many on here say they will be out of the point system all together if they ever get drawn anyway.So just arguing to argue.

3)New hunters join in every year adding to the draw system why not just be happy you were able to draw a quality or a any bull tag and let the rest have a chance.

Your idea would have a tiny impact on draw odds overall, and would only really increase the odds on low quality hunts like cow/doe tags. The mid-level and premium hunts would be basically unaffected.

Just look at the total applicant pool versus available tags. 5 years worth of successful applicants isn’t a significant number to sway the total pool.

At the same time I think it’s a fair idea.


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[slim9300]

If everyone can buy points, it won't change any draw odds.  Actually, it will make them SLIGHTLY better for 5 years and then every year after that, there will be new entrants jumping back in with 5-6 points every year dragging the odds right back down.  If you compare the number of quality tags issued to the number of applicants, you will see that it's an insignificant percentage, so any waiting periods won't really move the needle.  It's not the few guys that drew that are the issue, it's the horde that didn't draw that is the problem.

Anytime there are more max point holders than tags, there is going to be a problem.  Make more tags or force less applicants or leave it alone.

This. Beat me to it.


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