Rim Fire Rifle use during fall turkey season

[lokidog]

This is a bad idea because, well, frankly... PEOPLE ARE STUPID!

As far as the argument of knowing your backstop? Danger range of a shotgun pellet used for turkeys is what, 100 yards? The danger range of a rimfire .22 or .17 is exponentially farther.

When people say things like that .
You make sound like it's ok to fire a shotgun at someone as long as there" 100 yards "away.
It's ok not to know your backstop cause your using a shotgun .Most Turkey hunting accidents will be caused by this mentally.
I'm sure you don't mean it that way ,but to say people are stupid ,then promote stupid stuff.
Sounds like that saying
The pot calling the kettle black.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Go away!

[Karl Blanchard]

This is a bad idea because, well, frankly... PEOPLE ARE STUPID!

As far as the argument of knowing your backstop? Danger range of a shotgun pellet used for turkeys is what, 100 yards? The danger range of a rimfire .22 or .17 is exponentially farther.

When people say things like that .
You make sound like it's ok to fire a shotgun at someone as long as there" 100 yards "away.
It's ok not to know your backstop cause your using a shotgun .Most Turkey hunting accidents will be caused by this mentally.
I'm sure you don't mean it that way ,but to say people are stupid ,then promote stupid stuff.
Sounds like that saying
The pot calling the kettle black.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

thats a pretty big stretch on your part there hunter. I don't think anyone interpreted lokidogs comment that way.

[ne kid]

My problem with this whole thread is people blaming it on the landowners. How many of you are neighbors to said landowners to know if they allow hunting on their property? I tried to get  depredation turkey tags in the past it isn't worth the hassle, and I want nothing to do with WFDW. So I will be airb&b my house all through turkey season next year with turkey hunting access.

[Russ McDonald]

My problem with this whole thread is people blaming it on the landowners. How many of you are neighbors to said landowners to know if they allow hunting on their property? I tried to get  depredation turkey tags in the past it isn't worth the hassle, and I want nothing to do with WFDW. So I will be airb&b my house all through turkey season next year with turkey hunting access.

There is a problem with land owners and WDFW is to blame to.  We go out and try to get access from land owners that have complaints of nuisance birds and they don't anything do with with anyone coming on their property.  If their were neighbors to said landowners I would think they would also have issues with nuisance birds.  It was also brought up in our meeting with WDFW and they agreed about land owners not granting access to hunters. 

[TooTallMike]

My problem with this whole thread is people blaming it on the landowners. How many of you are neighbors to said landowners to know if they allow hunting on their property? I tried to get  depredation turkey tags in the past it isn't worth the hassle, and I want nothing to do with WFDW. So I will be airb&b my house all through turkey season next year with turkey hunting access.

I'd be happy to air bnb there next year! Turkey tags in pocket too. 🙂

[Stein]

My problem with this whole thread is people blaming it on the landowners. How many of you are neighbors to said landowners to know if they allow hunting on their property? I tried to get  depredation turkey tags in the past it isn't worth the hassle, and I want nothing to do with WFDW. So I will be airb&b my house all through turkey season next year with turkey hunting access.

I'd be happy to air bnb there next year! Turkey tags in pocket too. 🙂

 

Great DIY solution.

[hunter399]

This is a bad idea because, well, frankly... PEOPLE ARE STUPID!

As far as the argument of knowing your backstop? Danger range of a shotgun pellet used for turkeys is what, 100 yards? The danger range of a rimfire .22 or .17 is exponentially farther.

When people say things like that .
You make sound like it's ok to fire a shotgun at someone as long as there" 100 yards "away.
It's ok not to know your backstop cause your using a shotgun .Most Turkey hunting accidents will be caused by this mentally.
I'm sure you don't mean it that way ,but to say people are stupid ,then promote stupid stuff.
Sounds like that saying
The pot calling the kettle black.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Go away!

Sorry may of went a little far fetched on that assumption.If you asked me to go Turkey hunting with ya "100 yards" Disregard for back stop or knowing your target,would be a negative for me to hunt with ya.

But will say part of the problem I think may be people are already hunting turkeys this way in the fall.So when you guys are against a rule change as of this, that would help people avoid tickets or stay on the right side of the law.The guys that are hunting Turkey this way in the fall will not stop cause of the safety card or cause you caused the rule change not to go through.
They are already carry a 22 for other small game nobody wants to pack a gun safe on there back.Basicly your just making criminal out of good people that are just trying to fill there tag.
So the safety card is kinda a joke cause this type of behavior has been already happening without accidents.

We all know safety has little to do with this rule change being negative impacted by Turkey hunter.More about Turkey management.
Backseat Turkey management at best.
Trying to keep fall harvest numbers low for the Highly prized spring Turkey hunt.

[Stein]

So, the argument is that "good people" are poaching every fall, so we should change the law so they can be legal?

Some of the arguments made here resonate with me, but not that one.

[Limhangerslayer]

The state does allow for damage tags to land owners.  We have seen up to 10 but in the public records we got it show that alot of them don't get filled or arent reported.  Also are harvested by the farmer or family.  The rules state that if a land owner gets damage tags they must open up to to allow hunters.  The thing with the damage tags is a hunter is only allowed one bird and they are done.  Again this is just the damage tag issued to the land owners.  If the land owner does allow hunters to hunt their property then supposedly they are not allowed to get damage tags.  We are finding that is not happening.  We are finding that damage tags for land owners is a cluster.

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they don’t have to open their land to the public, but if they accept compensation from the state then they do.  They can even sell the permits without opening their land.  That’s for elk here in the Yakima area, I’d assume it’s the same for any game animal.

[buglebuster]

The state does allow for damage tags to land owners.  We have seen up to 10 but in the public records we got it show that alot of them don't get filled or arent reported.  Also are harvested by the farmer or family.  The rules state that if a land owner gets damage tags they must open up to to allow hunters.  The thing with the damage tags is a hunter is only allowed one bird and they are done.  Again this is just the damage tag issued to the land owners.  If the land owner does allow hunters to hunt their property then supposedly they are not allowed to get damage tags.  We are finding that is not happening.  We are finding that damage tags for land owners is a cluster.

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they don’t have to open their land to the public, but if they accept compensation from the state then they do.  They can even sell the permits without opening their land.  That’s for elk here in the Yakima area, I’d assume it’s the same for any game animal.

I’ve been apart of many many damage tags in the yakima area for elk  and have even taken 3 cows myself. They absolutly cannot sell the damage permit

[hunter399]

So, the argument is that "good people" are poaching every fall, so we should change the law so they can be legal?

Some of the arguments made here resonate with me, but not that one.

Well happens all the time marijuana laws may be a good example for ya.
I'm not sure how it got on the table as a rule change but it might be interesting to know.

[Stein]

They can sell access to use the permit, but then they waive rights for damage claims.

[Russ McDonald]

So, the argument is that "good people" are poaching every fall, so we should change the law so they can be legal?

Some of the arguments made here resonate with me, but not that one.

Well happens all the time marijuana laws may be a good example for ya.
I'm not sure how it got on the table as a rule change but it might be interesting to know.

No one is out using a .22 to hunt turkeys but i can bet they are using high power rifles during modern fire arm season.

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[Russ McDonald]

They can sell access to use the permit, but then they waive rights for damage claims.

The stipulation that the state has with land owners is they open up access for hunters for damage tags.  Most are harvesting them selves or family only. 

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[Karl Blanchard]

The state does allow for damage tags to land owners.  We have seen up to 10 but in the public records we got it show that alot of them don't get filled or arent reported.  Also are harvested by the farmer or family.  The rules state that if a land owner gets damage tags they must open up to to allow hunters.  The thing with the damage tags is a hunter is only allowed one bird and they are done.  Again this is just the damage tag issued to the land owners.  If the land owner does allow hunters to hunt their property then supposedly they are not allowed to get damage tags.  We are finding that is not happening.  We are finding that damage tags for land owners is a cluster.

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they don’t have to open their land to the public, but if they accept compensation from the state then they do.  They can even sell the permits without opening their land.  That’s for elk here in the Yakima area, I’d assume it’s the same for any game animal.

I’ve been apart of many many damage tags in the yakima area for elk  and have even taken 3 cows myself. They absolutly cannot sell the damage permit

they can sure as hell charge a trespass fee that comes with a damage tag though. Don't act like you didn't know that