Washington: Home Insurance Requirement for Gun Owners Scheduled for Hearing on M

[hughjorgan]

I didn't see this mentioned yet, but if they do pass this and then decide to start enforcing it somehow, who do you think they are going to come down on first?  How about anyone who has bought a hunting license.

That would be blatant discrimination, more likely have to go by registered gun owners.  Even if it passes, its unlikely to be enforced.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

[bornhunter]

I didn't see this mentioned yet, but if they do pass this and then decide to start enforcing it somehow, who do you think they are going to come down on first?  How about anyone who has bought a hunting license.

What if you've only ever bought archery tags?

That would depend on if your bow looks scary.

[chukardogs]

If or when this bill passes, one of the larger gun manufacturers or firearm owner organizations of some kind will fund someone to file a constitutional challenge (lawsuit) claiming this law is discriminatory against law abiding citizens. (Which it is) That the law unfairly targets the less fortunate who can't afford a gun, a gun safe and an insurance policy. (Which it does) Once the suit has been filed, the law and the enforcement of, will go on hold until the suit and any appeals have been exhausted. If the law is ever deemed constitutional, there will be a lengthy time period for all to abide by the specifics of the law.
Contacting your representative and letting them know how you feel is most likely a waste. By all means, the representatives need to know what you think and understand that you are paying attention to how they vote but believing that will make a difference to any of them (imo) is a fairy tale. The sides are so polarized now, representatives do not care what their constituents believe. It seems as though, there are very few left that aren't far right or far left. Someone in the middle may be willing to listen to an argument that may sway their vote but those reps are few and far between. Throw in the fact that the businesses that may benefit from this bill passing or failing, will have lobbyist pushing the representatives that may or may not vote for or against. The whole system leaves the individual constituent with little to no influence in the system. Our only real influence comes from the money we spend and where we spend it.
 Think about who benefits from this law, Gun safe companies, insurance companies. These are the entities that need to hear from you. They need to know that if they support a law like this that as a gun owner, you'll never own one of their safes. If an insurance company is backing this law, find another insurance company. Not sure how, but someone should be able to find out who with the money is backing this bill or backing a candidate that will vote for this bill.
 A law as flawed as this one will be challenged and I can't believe they'll get it past the 2nd amendment argument. Someone that is in peril by a legitimate threat, that goes to buy a gun and can't afford the safe that is required to go with or prove they have an insurance policy that covers them having said gun in the house, "can't" exercise or utilize the right given to them by the second amendment. Seems like such an absolutely obvious infringement on the second amendment but nowadays, you just never know.
 After going back over and reading this, I guess I should say I'm sorry! I wasn't aware of the level of my cynicism in the world we're all living in. Good luck out there and stay safe.
 FWIW, owning a firearm comes with an inherent responsibility to keep that firearm from falling into the hands of someone that hasn't been given the authority to have said firearm. If you're one that lives with a firearm within reach at all times, when you leave that gun and someone picks it up and does something stupid, heinous or irresponsible with it, it doesn't take much of a lawyer to show that as the gun owner, you're to some degree culpable. You're the gun owner and whether you like it or not, everyone that owns firearms should know that no matter what else that gun is used for, it was designed and built for two things, to protect yourself and to kill something. Yes, you may get a big kick out of shooting targets but that isn't what the gun is for. The gun is a tool just like any other tool. It has a purpose just like a hammer or an axe and these gun owners that let their three year old get their hands on it, give every other gun owner a bad name.
 Hunters alike, whether we like it or not, whether an archer, a muzzleloader or modern firearm carrier, are all lumped in by some, with anyone that uses a gun to cause harm. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever but it's an inevitable fact. If we as hunters, (not shooters) that use guns to kill animals, don't come to the table and become part of a solution, in some minds, we're part of the problem. As long as we're part of the problem in those minds, our interests and needs as a group will never be taken into consideration by those minds! Again sorry! Just the ramblings of a hunter.

[Boss .300 winmag]

If or when this bill passes, one of the larger gun manufacturers or firearm owner organizations of some kind will fund someone to file a constitutional challenge (lawsuit) claiming this law is discriminatory against law abiding citizens. (Which it is) That the law unfairly targets the less fortunate who can't afford a gun, a gun safe and an insurance policy. (Which it does) Once the suit has been filed, the law and the enforcement of, will go on hold until the suit and any appeals have been exhausted. If the law is ever deemed constitutional, there will be a lengthy time period for all to abide by the specifics of the law.
Contacting your representative and letting them know how you feel is most likely a waste. By all means, the representatives need to know what you think and understand that you are paying attention to how they vote but believing that will make a difference to any of them (imo) is a fairy tale. The sides are so polarized now, representatives do not care what their constituents believe. It seems as though, there are very few left that aren't far right or far left. Someone in the middle may be willing to listen to an argument that may sway their vote but those reps are few and far between. Throw in the fact that the businesses that may benefit from this bill passing or failing, will have lobbyist pushing the representatives that may or may not vote for or against. The whole system leaves the individual constituent with little to no influence in the system. Our only real influence comes from the money we spend and where we spend it.
 Think about who benefits from this law, Gun safe companies, insurance companies. These are the entities that need to hear from you. They need to know that if they support a law like this that as a gun owner, you'll never own one of their safes. If an insurance company is backing this law, find another insurance company. Not sure how, but someone should be able to find out who with the money is backing this bill or backing a candidate that will vote for this bill.
 A law as flawed as this one will be challenged and I can't believe they'll get it past the 2nd amendment argument. Someone that is in peril by a legitimate threat, that goes to buy a gun and can't afford the safe that is required to go with or prove they have an insurance policy that covers them having said gun in the house, "can't" exercise or utilize the right given to them by the second amendment. Seems like such an absolutely obvious infringement on the second amendment but nowadays, you just never know.
 After going back over and reading this, I guess I should say I'm sorry! I wasn't aware of the level of my cynicism in the world we're all living in. Good luck out there and stay safe.
 FWIW, owning a firearm comes with an inherent responsibility to keep that firearm from falling into the hands of someone that hasn't been given the authority to have said firearm. If you're one that lives with a firearm within reach at all times, when you leave that gun and someone picks it up and does something stupid, heinous or irresponsible with it, it doesn't take much of a lawyer to show that as the gun owner, you're to some degree culpable. You're the gun owner and whether you like it or not, everyone that owns firearms should know that no matter what else that gun is used for, it was designed and built for two things, to protect yourself and to kill something. Yes, you may get a big kick out of shooting targets but that isn't what the gun is for. The gun is a tool just like any other tool. It has a purpose just like a hammer or an axe and these gun owners that let their three year old get their hands on it, give every other gun owner a bad name.
 Hunters alike, whether we like it or not, whether an archer, a muzzleloader or modern firearm carrier, are all lumped in by some, with anyone that uses a gun to cause harm. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever but it's an inevitable fact. If we as hunters, (not shooters) that use guns to kill animals, don't come to the table and become part of a solution, in some minds, we're part of the problem. As long as we're part of the problem in those minds, our interests and needs as a group will never be taken into consideration by those minds! Again sorry! Just the ramblings of a hunter.

Yep.

[ghosthunter]

If or when this bill passes, one of the larger gun manufacturers or firearm owner organizations of some kind will fund someone to file a constitutional challenge (lawsuit) claiming this law is discriminatory against law abiding citizens. (Which it is) That the law unfairly targets the less fortunate who can't afford a gun, a gun safe and an insurance policy. (Which it does) Once the suit has been filed, the law and the enforcement of, will go on hold until the suit and any appeals have been exhausted. If the law is ever deemed constitutional, there will be a lengthy time period for all to abide by the specifics of the law.
Contacting your representative and letting them know how you feel is most likely a waste. By all means, the representatives need to know what you think and understand that you are paying attention to how they vote but believing that will make a difference to any of them (imo) is a fairy tale. The sides are so polarized now, representatives do not care what their constituents believe. It seems as though, there are very few left that aren't far right or far left. Someone in the middle may be willing to listen to an argument that may sway their vote but those reps are few and far between. Throw in the fact that the businesses that may benefit from this bill passing or failing, will have lobbyist pushing the representatives that may or may not vote for or against. The whole system leaves the individual constituent with little to no influence in the system. Our only real influence comes from the money we spend and where we spend it.
 Think about who benefits from this law, Gun safe companies, insurance companies. These are the entities that need to hear from you. They need to know that if they support a law like this that as a gun owner, you'll never own one of their safes. If an insurance company is backing this law, find another insurance company. Not sure how, but someone should be able to find out who with the money is backing this bill or backing a candidate that will vote for this bill.
 A law as flawed as this one will be challenged and I can't believe they'll get it past the 2nd amendment argument. Someone that is in peril by a legitimate threat, that goes to buy a gun and can't afford the safe that is required to go with or prove they have an insurance policy that covers them having said gun in the house, "can't" exercise or utilize the right given to them by the second amendment. Seems like such an absolutely obvious infringement on the second amendment but nowadays, you just never know.
 After going back over and reading this, I guess I should say I'm sorry! I wasn't aware of the level of my cynicism in the world we're all living in. Good luck out there and stay safe.
 FWIW, owning a firearm comes with an inherent responsibility to keep that firearm from falling into the hands of someone that hasn't been given the authority to have said firearm. If you're one that lives with a firearm within reach at all times, when you leave that gun and someone picks it up and does something stupid, heinous or irresponsible with it, it doesn't take much of a lawyer to show that as the gun owner, you're to some degree culpable. You're the gun owner and whether you like it or not, everyone that owns firearms should know that no matter what else that gun is used for, it was designed and built for two things, to protect yourself and to kill something. Yes, you may get a big kick out of shooting targets but that isn't what the gun is for. The gun is a tool just like any other tool. It has a purpose just like a hammer or an axe and these gun owners that let their three year old get their hands on it, give every other gun owner a bad name.
 Hunters alike, whether we like it or not, whether an archer, a muzzleloader or modern firearm carrier, are all lumped in by some, with anyone that uses a gun to cause harm. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever but it's an inevitable fact. If we as hunters, (not shooters) that use guns to kill animals, don't come to the table and become part of a solution, in some minds, we're part of the problem. As long as we're part of the problem in those minds, our interests and needs as a group will never be taken into consideration by those minds! Again sorry! Just the ramblings of a hunter.

Yep.

Well said