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Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« on: June 29, 2009, 08:45:17 AM »
I've been hunting western wa archery elk for the last three years. I've been very furtunate and have harvested one cow and one bull. I would love to expand my horizons a bit and do a archery elk hunt in Idaho, or montana. I have all the camp gear, but I do not have any mules or horses to get in past the crowds. I'm looking for someone to either point me in the right direction or maybe even go hunt with me. I want to either find a unit I can drive to a descent camp spot and hike in each day, or hire a packer to pack me, and my gear in leave me until I call or what ever we arrange. Can anyone give any packer recommendations? I know this is a bit of a long shot, but I'm desperate, and begging for any help I can get. Lastly if you are an archery hunter like me who has a hard time finding people that can commit to hunt, or find the time for a 2 week hunt drop me a pm I'm looking for a hunting partner. And just to add I have used the search function and have read quite a bit.

Thanks for any help
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 08:49:21 AM »
talk to Dale Denney on here, he goes by bearpaw and is a site sponsor. he owns/runs Bearpaw Outfitters and they do pack in drop camps in idaho and maybe montana too. dunno. he can give you more details.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 08:51:02 AM »
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/ifwis/huntplanner/

Check out the idaho hunt planner...it will help you narrow it down.  Lots of good OTC places to go in the Idaho.

You missed the draw for montana this year so thats out.

Also keep an eye on the Non resident quota for Idaho once its gone its gone...

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/licenses/quota/nrquota.cfm

I might check this one out Diamond Creek Zone - A Tag

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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 09:19:28 AM »
the selway is sold out because of that 515" bull that was killed there a couple years ago...
what a beast that was.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 09:42:44 AM »
 :chuckle:

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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 09:44:56 AM »
the selway is sold out because of that 515" bull that was killed there a couple years ago...
what a beast that was.
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Yeah, but that was supposed to be killed in an archery unit, but the Selway has no archery season....that's what gave it away as BS for me.   :chuckle:

For what it's worth, if I had the money to blow, then I would have no regrets about paying for an elk like that.  I would have a hard time calling it hunting, though.

On to reality:
With only 3500 tags gone this late, then I'm thinking that the quota won't sell out before the tags go up for sale as a second tag on Aug. 28.  I still haven't settled on the area I'm going to get a tag for until after the draw results, so there's plenty of time to get a tag in most of the areas.

Baldy....I agree with using the hunt planner.  Pick an area with respectable numbers for overall harvest rates in 2007 and 2008 both because they were tough years on the elk, and then use Google Earth to pre-scout before you spend any money on gas getting over there for a scouting trip.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 09:47:02 AM »
Is that the confirmed date of second tag sales Todd. Just asking because that is good to know.  I am guessing Idaho is taking some hits to their tag sales or I wouldn't keep getting these surveys. 

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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 10:02:16 AM »
yup jacking up the price was stupid.....they should have cut tag prices this year :dunno:

I herd that selway bull was the smaller of the two in that came out of the unit that year unit :P

Tag sales are alot slower than last year....less hunters in the woods can only be a good thing IMO.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 10:14:48 AM »
Haven't actually checked on the date, but that's the day they've always started selling the second tags.  Archery season opens Aug. 30, and it's always been the 28th they started selling them.  I'd guess it'll be Sept. 30 before the full quota is gone, but that's just a guess.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 10:15:54 AM »
OK, I couldn't resist, so I checked.  It is Aug. 28th they go on sale as a second tag.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2009, 10:21:40 AM »
is this the one you guys are talking bout  :stirthepot:
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2009, 10:55:57 AM »
That's it.  Wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first, though, because there'll never be a public land bull that big.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2009, 02:56:13 PM »
575 archery bull...sorry i don;t want to resurface this farm animal. the selway reference was a 3 year old joke. guess you had to be there. from kings 10/3/06:
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Once again we have something that really starts to cause a major frenzy on the Internet. Message boards and emails are draining the bandwidth of America trying to find the “real” story about this huge bull elk. The last few days I have been hit so hard with emails about this bull I had to just make a post.

Similar to last year, we have a huge bull elk that is making people wonder. Last year we had two instances that I was able to clear up on the King’s Blog. Kevin Reid and his two monster Idaho high fenced bulls and also the big archery bull from Texas caused quite a storm of interest. Fortunately, people were able to find some closure on the King’s blog and find out the real story on all of these bulls. Well, here we are again…another big bull and nothing but questions seem to arise with not very many answers.

For all of you who are already very familiar with this bull due to the emails that have been forwarded to you, this is basically what is being stated about the bull:

“This Elk was killed with a bow in the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness. He green scored 575″ and should net out at about 530″ non typical. He has and unbelievable outside spread of 79″. This is the biggest bull ever taken with any weapon.”

There is no question after looking at the photo of this elk, that a score of 575 seems very possible. Some people have claimed that the photo has been doctored up and points have been added to it. That could very well be the case. However, let’s just assume this bull is legit and really does score 575 gross and 530 net non-typical. This would clearly destroy all records whether you are talking Boone & Crockett, Pope & Young, or Safari Club International (SCI). However, the biggest question that is coming to everyone’s mind…is this a legit, fair chase, no high-fence bull elk?

The email states that it is from the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness area. This Wilderness is found in Idaho and ranges over 1.3 million acres of land. This area is the Idaho Montana border and the Wilderness also extends into Montana. Idaho does have high fence operations, therefore Idaho is a very valid location that this bull may have come from. I don’t believe it came from the Montana side as high fence hunting is illegal in this state (however, I know there are some operations who are getting around the system there…but that is for a different time and topic).

So Idaho could be the place, but a bull of this caliber just doesn’t match Idaho’s elk. Sure there are some good elk - potential big stuff, but Idaho is not a state that is continually producing big bulls. I have also heard of people talking about a huge elk taken up in Canada. Canada, specifically Saskatchewan, has many high fence hunting operations. One thing you can probably tell from my own assessment is that this bull is a high fence bull. Too many things lead to this, but I will keep my mind open to the contrary until I can finally prove otherwise.

I will be honest. I just got done with a marathon session busting out our next issue of the magazine and getting a fall catalog ready. I have not had a lot of time to research this bull out. I am feeling in a pretty good mood and therefore want to put all of our heads together and get this one figured out. I will go out on a limb and call this a high fenced bull. THE FIRST PERSON TO PROVE THE LEGITIMACY OF THIS BULL GETS A NICE FREE GIFT.

Yes, you heard right. The first person to email me correct information about this bull or a lead that will help me track down the correct information I will give them a free ShadowCamo fleece jacket and hat. Hey, that is about a $100 value! Not bad for a Tuesday. Good luck.

NOTE: This is now over…the prizes have been given out and I no longer need you to email me stuff about this bull. We have it covered now. Thanks…Read on.

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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2009, 02:58:02 PM »
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It is not that hard to conclude that this bull elk IS a high fence bull elk. The elk was taken within a high fence confinement. That is confirmed. The elk was NOT taken in Idaho, Montana or anywhere in the U.S. This elk was from a game farm/ranch operation located in Quebec, Canada. It was taken during their 2006 hunts. Rumors that the bull scores 575 gross is not true, however it is close. The bull elk scores 560 gross or 560 SCI. It was in fact taken with a rifle, not a bow. Many people are concerned that a bull of this size will somehow trick everyone and make it into the Boone & Crockett or Pope & Young record books. This is not going to happen. You don’t need to worry about this at all. B&C and P&Y are very protective of their records program and go to great pains to keep them clear of these types of animals. Many have wondered if the photos of the bull in velvet eating out of the dish is really the same elk in the kill shot. It is.

Contrary to what people think, the “shooter” in the photo next to this huge elk is not stating any kind of record, is not claiming any kind of B&C or P&Y status. It could however be a world record for SCI in their “high fenced” category, but I am unsure of this. Whoever started the email stating the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness location is unknown at this time. My purpose of posting this photo and information was soley to confirm and clear up all of the confusion that the bull caused and the concern that thousands of people had that this may or may not be a world record and was it a legit, fair chase, non high fenced animal. I think we have all helped in clearing this up. Thanks.

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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 08:40:18 AM »
Thanks guys for all the info and insight.  Anyone want to suggest a unit that does not require you to pack in on horses to get into decent elk numbers during the archery season.  Willing to hike up and down.


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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2009, 08:46:04 AM »
I think you just described every unit in Idaho :dunno:
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2009, 09:47:53 AM »
Baldy, when you have a chance send me a PM, I might be able to help.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2009, 04:42:06 PM »
Machias,

U archery hunting ID this year?


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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2009, 05:01:17 PM »
Just ran onto this thread, I had to chuckle, I know the guy in the photo. I can tell you exactly where this bull came from, and it is not from the US and it was killed inside wire. Knowing how you guys think, you probably have disgust, but I will tell you that the guide is an extremely capable hunter. He just happens to spend part of his year working for the place this was taken.
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Re: Idaho / montana diy archery elk hunt
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2009, 08:24:41 PM »
Machias,

U archery hunting ID this year?



I am.   :)
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